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Open mike 27/09/2013

Written By: - Date published: 6:00 am, September 27th, 2013 - 119 comments
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Step right up to the mike…

119 comments on “Open mike 27/09/2013 ”

  1. Tracey 1

    ” In 24 hours, the world’s top scientists will release the most important report in decades: proving once and for all that climate change is a massive threat, but that government action now can stop catastrophe. It’s a global wake up call to save our planet, but big oil and dirty energy have a powerful bully who’s rallying to stop the truth from coming out.

    Rupert Murdoch owns hundreds of major media outlets including ultra conservative Fox News and the Wall Street Journal, and he’s using his media power to help his oil buddies stop governments acting to curb their profits. In the US alone, a shocking 80% of climate stories from Murdoch’s select papers mislead readers about global warming! Now he’s set his sights on this groundbreaking report, and his media empire will dominate the conversation unless people around the world stand together and drown him out.”

    • Rosie 1.1

      Hi Tracey. Is that quote from the Avaaz petition this is being circulated at the mo?

    • karol 1.2

      It’s on Occupy London’s FB page

      The Guardian on the report to be published Friday UK Time:

      What will it say?

      Early drafts indicate that scientists have revised upwards the certainty that human activities are driving the warming the world has experienced, from “very likely” or 90% confidence in 2007, to “extremely likely” or 95% confidence now. It will also include new projections for future sea level and temperature rises.

      • Rosie 1.2.1

        Thanks karol. I guess that the petition relating to Rupert Murdoch on Avaaz was organised by Occupy London, and their statement posted to that site. I can’t get the petition to load up at the moment but if anyone’s interested they can have a look here:

        http://avaaz.org/en/

        It will be interesting to see how the new climate report is reported in our media. I wouldn’t be holding my breath for any positive reaction from our Nat Govt.

  2. Saarbo 2

    Can someone explain what Damien Rogers is trying to say in this NZ Herald article.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11130583

    I think he is suggesting that Labour should have picked a dude who looks more like Steven Joyce for Chch East? Has he even looked at Poto William’s experience and credentials???

    I read the herald these days to have a bit of laugh, its a joke.

    • the stunning fact about that rogers..(and yes..that piece is particularly incoherent/dis-jointed..)

      ..is that he is a lecturer at massey university..

      ..in..brace yrslves..!..

      ..the subject of politics..

      ..whoar..!

      ..eh..?

      ..wot with robinson/edwards-the-younger..and now rogers..

      ..w.t.f. has happened in/to the political studies depts at our universities..?

      ..phillip ure..

      • Rogue Trooper 2.1.1

        ffs

      • Murray Olsen 2.1.2

        It seems that his degree in political studies means he can speak the same rubbish that you might hear in a heartland cossie club, but using really big words. It doesn’t seem to have brought any depth of analysis or insight.

  3. amirite 3

    I hate to be cynical but isn’t it cute that the Righties who most of the time like to berate the UN and their work, are very quiet now that their leader is bidding for a seat and going all Kumbaya on nuclear disarmament. At the same time some of them would be more than happy to build a few nuclear power stations if it was somewhere far far away from their own backyard.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/9215842/Key-urges-action-on-nuclear-disarmament

    • given that nz is seen as a client-state of america..(five-eyes..?..anyone..?..)

      ..and that key is seen as a satrap of/for america..

      ..key has as much chance of getting nz on the security council..

      ..as our boat has of beating that yank boat..

      ..just more millions pissed up against a wall..

      ..in an attempt to try and make key look ‘relevant’..

      ..(he was much more suited as a suitor to ‘our’ queen..eh..?….and did he offer to clean out the corgi-bastkets..?

      ..and has all that forelock-tugging left him with even less hair..?..)

      ..phillip ure..

  4. Sanctuary 4

    the nasty tone of Dr Damien Rogers piece in the Herald is probably best explained by his being the partner of the recently de-employed Fran Mold.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/8574408/Today-in-politics-Saturday-April-20

    Perhaps Dr. Rogers didn’t read the bit where Fran says she “did not leave Labour with any bitterness.” Or perhaps he did, and has decided to be bitter on her behalf.

    Rogers is an interesting guy – http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10840247 – but his little attempted hatchet job on behalf of his partner has all the hallmarks of a bad loser trying to get even.

  5. Tracey 5

    Amrite

    I was thinking that. Maybe now he remembers the anti nuclear movement in the 80s he might remember the ab v springbok match in auckland in 1981.

    • karol 5.1

      John Key U-Turn to embrace nuclear disarmament, now that Obama pays it some lip service: from the Crosby Textor play book

      Issue management – choose an issue that will appeal to kiwis, as a diversion from the ones the left are focusing on and that are getting some traction with the general public.

      The third strand was “issue management”. They found Livingstone had support on environment, social services and other issues. So instead they ran a narrowly focussed campaign on the rising cost of living and public safety even where these were the result of forces beyond Livingstone’s control.

    • McFlock 6.1

      Just for those who don’t think whaleoil breaks any scoops

      Lusk is working for local body candidates, too? fascinating.

      • Kevin Welsh 6.1.1

        Lusk is doing a lot of work for a couple of groups in Hawkes Bay.

      • Puckish Rogue 6.1.2

        Somehow I doubt that Lusk would have advised him to send out texts like that…

        Oh by the way if anyone is interested in seeing in what the labour candidate sent to the (alleged) 15 yo go to the whaleoil link but I’d advise not to if you’re going to be eating sausages anytime soon…it might put you off

    • Murray Olsen 6.2

      That looks awfully like a setup. Paul Findlay is obviously a moron who belongs nowhere near public office, but I’m at least as worried about the sort of creep who would set someone up like this. Things are getting very, very dirty in the sewer of right wing politics.

  6. Puckish Rogue 7

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/9217379/Key-tells-UN-it-needs-reform

    This is the John Key we need more of, more of this and less of the jokes (but don’t put them away entirely)

    • karol 7.1

      I do agree the UN has an undemocratic structure with the powerful in control via the security counil.

      But having a smaller country having a wee voice there, isn’t really going to change that – TINKERING.

      I do hate the whole veto thing.

      But John key on Syria… hmmm… more complex than his easy explanation – and who is he really speaking for there? Looks like he’s using his plea for a more democratic UN in the service of the US empire not being held to account – hypocrisy, much.

      • Puckish Rogue 7.1.1

        I was more referring to the way he was speaking, more prime ministerial

        • fender 7.1.1.1

          “…… more prime ministerial”

          Bit late for that now, we’ve seen the (lack of) substance of this fake many times over. Plus I think you are getting excited over something officials have coached him to deliver. But I suppose he could get a point for removing most of his usual condescension.

          By the way Puckish Rogue, are you the reincarnation of Winston Smith?

    • Clement Pinto 7.2

      I somehow felt that Key wasn’t being sincere. It seemed like a cunning speech to get votes from the smaller countries for the bid for UN security council seat. One of his quotes today could easily be changed to read something like this: “Its key organs, particularly my cabinet and its government ministries, have become hostage to National/ACT traditions and to the interests of the wealthy and most powerful” [Original :”Its key organs, particularly the Security Council, have become hostage to their own traditions and to the interests of the most powerful,” Key said.]

  7. blue leopard (Get Lost GCSB Bill) 9

    lprent,

    I keep getting a download request popping up every time I open ‘The Standard’ webpage from ‘a.sitemeter.com’. I do not know what ‘a.sitemeter’ is.

    I have an old browser (Internet Explorer 10) and this is occurring on a pc (not the mac, haven’t used that today so don’t know whether it is happening with that one or not)

    I don’t wish to waste your time, and this may be due to my having old software, and unrelated to your site, however I thought I had better alert you to this, just in case it is related with this site.

    I am only getting this occurring with this site.

  8. Clement Pinto 10

    THE QUEEN KEY ENCOUNTER POEM:

    ‘Pussy Key, Pussy Key, Where have you been?’
    ‘I’ve been to London to chat with the Queen!’

    ‘Pussy Key, Pussy Key, What did she say?’
    ‘She said, ‘Little boy, little boy, go away quick’,
    ‘Make those Chiefs of your Pacific
    vote me Hereditary4Eva and a Day!’

    ‘Pussy Key, Pussy Key, what did you say?’
    ‘I said, Yes Ma’am, Yes, Ma’am,
    ‘No sweat at all, Ma’am!’
    ‘It’s just so easy-peasy for such a Title Troty!’

    • blue leopard (Get Lost GCSB Bill) 10.1

      Good idea!

      International Finances are falling down,
      falling down, falling down,
      Our Financial scam is falling down
      What to do, Mr Key?

      Back it up with gold and silver,
      Gold and silver, gold and silver,
      Back it up with gold and silver
      Not on your Nelly!

      Yes, best we build it up with more lies and spin
      Fraud and lies, misinformation and fibs
      Best we build it up with puffery
      My fair lady!

      Run with that, Key, and seal the deal
      Seal the deal, seal the deal
      Run with that, Key and seal the deal
      My dear Key!

    • Rogue Trooper 10.2

      last verse.

    • Clement Pinto 10.3

      [deleted on request from commenter]

      • Rogue Trooper 10.3.1

        reminds me of the usual barriers to democratic representation, for example, the obstruction of First Nations representatives at the invitation of Meka Whaitiri to the House this week, and so on it goes…

  9. amirite 11

    The rule of unintended consequences – House builders hurt by home loan restrictions

    http://tvnz.co.nz/business-news/house-builders-hurt-home-loan-restrictions-5592185

  10. Pascal's bookie 12

    lololol

    “Just been told that UMR poll has Nats 39, Lab 36, Green 14, NZF 5.1%. Not sure if it’s out yet. Internal presentation yday.”

    And you think hootonfarraoil are cray cray now.

    • gobsmacked 12.1

      Sounds good, but I think I’ll wait for the second source.

      Duncan Garner. Twitter … Been burnt before!

      Incidentally, Roy Morgan tweets that their next poll is out on Wednesday. So don’t spend all Friday night hitting refresh for that one … 🙂

  11. karol 13

    Garner Tweet 18 mins ago:

    Just been told that UMR poll has Nats 39, Lab 36, Green 14, NZF 5.1%. Not sure if it’s out yet. Internal presentation yday.

    • Rogue Trooper 13.1

      ha,freakin’ ha!

    • emergency mike 13.2

      Ouch. At this rate John Key might come home with a stuffed corgi in one hand and his resignation letter in the other.

    • Clement Pinto 13.3

      Will be rolled or will there be a sudden snap election soon?

      • bad12 13.3.1

        Lolz, i thought the strangely absent from the Parliament this week, Judith Collins would have seized Her chances of the plummeting support in the polls and knifed the Slippery little shyster in the time honored Tory tradition of giving it to them while they are overseas,

        Obviously Judith aint got the guts, nor the support in the Caucus and will settle for leader of the opposition after November 2014…

        • Alanz 13.3.1.1

          Stephen Joyce won’t let her do it.
          Bill English has his eyes and CV elsewhere.
          You didn’t hear that from here.

  12. Chris 14

    could some one please tell me why I keep getting a pop up window

    “Do you want to open or save analytics.js from a.sitemaster.com?” with options open, save with dropdown menu or cancel

    I have never seen this before and it only comes up on this site.

    • Puckish Rogue 14.1

      Its from the GCSB

    • Draco T Bastard 14.2

      You shouldn’t be getting that. Which browser/OS are you using?

      • Rogue Trooper 14.2.1

        Do Not Feed the imitators Draco 😛

        • Chris 14.2.1.1

          I’m not an imitator Rogue Trooper. I may not have been coming here long enough or commenting for you to know me. Would kinda like to use my regular id that I use most places I comment at but if I change to that I may confuse you even more 🙂

    • blue leopard (Get Lost GCSB Bill) 14.3

      Hi Chris,

      I’ve been getting that today too on my pc laptop (not mac) I mentioned it at comment 9. Been trying to find out more by googling but have had no success

      Also it wasn’t occurring when I used Firefox. (Only internet explorer) That was so entirely slow, though I gave up and am on my mac now

      • Chris 14.3.1

        ditto leopard. not being a techy I couldn’t make head nor tail of the search results. Think it has something to do with the site operators

      • Linz 14.3.2

        I’m getting an information bar come up saying To help protect your security, Internet Explorer blocked this site from downloading files to your computer.

        • lprent 14.3.2.1

          Interesting. Which version of IE? I’ll try it out.

          Like most of the people who use this site I don’t normally use IE (let me rephrase that – I actively avoid it). Recently it looks like IE has dropped below 30% of the pages viewed.

    • richard 14.4

      Seems to be browser specific to MS IE – no warnings from other browsers I’ve just tried (Firefox, Opera, Safari, Chrome).

    • lprent 14.5

      Interesting.

      I presume you mean analytics.js from sitemeter.com as that is the only one that we have in our system.

      I can’t see any reason for that to cause a problem as it is a normal part of many peoples sites for tracking pages views and visits. It is in an iframe but so too are the facebook widgets.

      Most likely it is part of your own computers defenses getting upset. The identical code for sitemeter is in place on kiwiblog.co.nz. Have a look there to see if you get the same problem. If it really does say sitemaster on both then you probably have a problem with a man in the middle attack.

      Otherwise I’ll have a closer look at it tonight. I don’t really need it on the system. I using it to look at the considerable differences between sitemeter and statcounter in measuring visits

  13. Chris 15

    Thank you for your extremely important contribution Puckish Rogue, however I feel that you may be having a lend 🙂

  14. Chris 16

    I.E v9 I think. just started doing it today

  15. Ad 17

    Great stuff on the UMR poll.
    Feel the fear Hooten you won’t be doing lunch in Wellington for a good stretch.

  16. Pascal's bookie 18

    And an open letter from a recent National party voter (and member) explaining why the dream is over:

    http://a-working-mans-opinion.blogspot.co.nz/2013/09/dear-john-this-is-break-up-letter.html

    • Draco T Bastard 18.1

      hah, was just going to post that 🙂

      And it’s one of those things – where there’s one known about, there’s thousands thinking and doing the same but not telling you.

  17. fambo 19

    Anyone interested in the subject of Treasury figures and the future cost of the retirement pension should definitely listen to this interview with Professor Sue Newbury from the University of Sydney School of Business on Nights on National Radio on Wednesday. Seems Treasury have not followed even the most basic of accounting principles before making claims as to the cost of the pension in another 30 years or so. One could possibly suspect that shoddy accounting work is designed to massage the general public into the notion that New Zealand cannot afford to fund future welfare spending.

    http://www.radionz.co.nz/audio/player/2570593

  18. North 20

    UMR Poll. Well Well Well ! Come in all you RWNJ sociopaths who like to hang around on a left blog.

    Come in and explain for me once again that “perceptions” thing. You know……. the one that says “it’s all about perceptions” or whatever it is you say. The one that makes you smirk hard out every time you say it. And that 62% prime minister thing. That’s a beauty !

    Be really interesting to hear all that again. You don’t mind ?

    • Rogue Trooper 20.1

      Mind? They don’t mind.

    • chris73 20.2

      Come in all you RWNJ sociopaths who like to hang around on a left blog.

      – You called?

      lemme see here we got: a new leader, multiple weeks coverage for labour (quite a good idea i must say) and the honeymoon period so a bounce in the polls is to be expected

      We also have crime down, unemployment down, the economy up and over a year to go until the next election

      So enjoy it while it lasts (because it won’t :))

      I mean I hope theres no scandal or anything that could involve the labour party about to happen, like maybe possibly involving underage boys that could maybe bring up certain incidences from Labours not-too-distant past

      • felix 20.2.1

        I hardly think Slater is in any position to accuse others of being involved in [deleted].

        Eddie: This comment crossed the line. Banned for a week.

        • McFlock 20.2.1.1

          damn, that escalated quickly…

        • chris73 20.2.1.2

          Thats a helluva call, you got any thing to back that up with?

        • tinfoilhat 20.2.1.3

          Who are you accusing of being involved in [deleted]?

        • ABS 20.2.1.4

          Felix got any proof or are you the [deleted] in question? If not put up or shut the fuck up you disgusting cretin

        • Granted 20.2.1.5

          I think the standard response to this is “proof”. So ????

        • Pascal's bookie 20.2.1.6

          bwahaha Felix. That brought in the rats.

          But I hope Slater told this kid to think about talking to the cops.

          • tinfoilhat 20.2.1.6.1

            No, I don’t care who it is – no one should throw the accusation of [deleted] around without very very good cause.

            I recall some time ago one of the NZ first politicians slandering a chap called rex widerstrom this way ……..horrible thing to say about anyone without good cause.

        • Cameron Slater 20.2.1.7

          I can’t believe the high integrity sysop and moderators have left a highly defamatory and outrageous slur like this to continue to exist for hours.

          I thought you wanted to rise about “the sewer” looks like you are right down deep in it.

          Eddie: I was unaware of Felix’s comment until I found your comment in the moderation queue. Felix was clearly a breach of our commenting policy and has received a ban for it. Sometimes there are no moderators around. Looks like this is one of those times.

  19. Tim 21

    What the fook has happened to RNZ.
    5pm News Headline:
    “2 nephews of mana mp Hone Harawira have been jailed …… etc.: (to prraphrase – may actually be a direct quote)
    WTF???

    And after the nicest man on Earth Jim Mora’s panel.

    So Hone is now responsible for his nephews?
    Oh damn good.

    The nicest man on Earth is then responsible for his wife’s damn near slave wages of her employees
    shuvving together our healthy fast-food options

    His “the Panel’ guests’ spouses are responsible for the guests themselves.
    Murray McCully likes recycling grannies old armchair fabric into a business suit for Jane Clifton
    Ayeshun Bois are all responsible for Joe’s opinions

    Christ Almighty RNZ = what’s happened to you.
    What’s even happened to those that ekshly READ THAT CRAP. Are you THAT in fear of your jobs?

    Give it 18 months. The environment WILL be safer but surely to Christ you could take a stand for journalistic integrity! (well …. what’s left of it anyway)

  20. Tim 22

    Mary Wilson: this is the Shite way you want to play it? Consider yourself open game

  21. Frank 23

    Tim. I listened to it all too.

    You are a knob.

  22. Tim 24

    @ Frank – so please inform me what the relevance is to the fact that two guys have been jailed for crimes and how they relate to Hone.
    And if you can;t fo that – then you’ll have no objection to my relating Mary Lambie’s business interests to that of her husband, or Jane Clifton’s relatioship (past or present) to that of the duffer, or those in relationship(s) with Joe the Loon Bennett’s opinions.
    Perhaps Frank – we could hold your partner respinsible fpr your being a dickhead – but please – keep it up!

  23. Tim 25

    So you’re very clever then Frank. No doubt, those with dyslexia, those with English as a second language, those that haven’t had the benefits of your superior education, and even those that are considerably pooer than you also have opinions that aren’t as worthwhile as yours.
    My God! I wish I were Frank!

    • blue leopard (Get Lost GCSB Bill) 25.1

      Tim,

      I don’t think that Frank can bring himself to admit that the only reason they go for Hone’s Nephews is because they can’t attack Hone’s political stance because he razes them to the ground intellectually when they do that…shows them up for the sniveling idiots that they are..

      I am guessing this is why he thinks you are a knob; because you reminded him of this sorry truth.

  24. Frank 26

    BL and Timmy, difference between you two, is door side on.

    • blue leopard (Get Lost GCSB Bill) 26.1

      I am sorry for you that you are only capable of name-calling, that must be terrible going through life with such a poor ability to express yourself.

      Poor wee thing

    • Tim 26.2

      This is the last communication I intend having with you Frank. Your last sounds like an implied physical threat. Just as well on the rare occasions I do drive these days – its in something VERY substantial..
      Still – you’ve got nothing to hide, so you’ve got nothing to fear – correct?

      • Frank 26.2.1

        What I meant to say was that you are both knobs but I was using my old lappy and it has no G or H working so I was just saying you are Knobs cryptically without meaning to. so take it as you like.
        Walk in peace. I ride a bike.
        Oh Yeah. get a life.

  25. Tim 28

    @BL(GLGB) – no worries. Frank’s left enough of his footprint – just based on timestamp info to have fucked himself up.
    I can’t even be bothered delving deeper – I had a technological brain purge about 10 years ago, though my son has taken over – albeit with access to both Voda and Tcom info (ppl involved know how it all works with scratch backing and do me a favour shite).
    I have ABSOLUTELY no desire to get into it despite having access to various ISP records – I’m pure, disengaged and philosophically opposed to the use of such info for private purposes anyway.
    (which is why I’m opposed to government agencies thinking they have all such as of their right)
    I wouldn’t even bother though.
    Although I am not going to have any further comms with the cnut, anyone with nouse could ensure that should his idle threats come to anything – it’d be nothing a baseball bat held by a golfer having a hole in one record couldn’t cure. Or perhaps an indaquately trained copper with a taser ready to …

  26. Colonial Viper 29

    Rural broadband roll out in chaos, with corporate profiteering

    It’s like a bad Tory script re-run across the world.

    http://www.theguardian.com/business/2013/sep/26/bt-rural-broadband-monopoly

    • Draco T Bastard 29.1

      It is a bad Tory script run across the world. They’re taking us for a ride and have been for decades at least, more probably centuries.

  27. Not Another Sheep 30

    Some light relief

    TV3’s “7 Days” tonight and the stick given on John Key’s visit with the Queen. The little girl’s ‘pitcha’ of John Key trying on the queen’s dresses

  28. greywarbler 31

    We are spending precious millions, which we have to borrow no doubt, to make a case for getting on the Security Council. Australia is on at present and finishes in 2014 after the 2 year term. They represent for Australia -Western European and Others Group. It doesn’t even refer to Oceania or the Pacific and it seems to underline the feeling that Oz and us do not have a feeling of real connection for our unique location in the world.

    Why should we compete against Turkey which is bearing the brunt of so much of the maneouvring in the global slosh of action and reaction? They are right in it while we sit playing it cool on the poolside available to the glam stud when he wants us. We actually didn’t take our place at the UN in some committee a while ago, but graciously gave it up to the USA which needed it more than us.

    The UN must be on Jokeyhen’s bucket list. The Queen, the UN, the Taj Mahal, Silicon Valley, Disneyland. the Knighthood.

  29. xtasy 33

    Moroney for welfare got me very, very worried. I am informed of Workwise and other “evidence based” operators (who stuff sick and disabled into work on the open market, that often is casual, insecure, part time, marginal and mostly un-fulfilling) are ALL based in HAMILTON, where she comes from.

    She will have been “lobbied” by those self serving organisations and businesses before, to have welfare so designed, to deliver them the candidates they want, that is the PRIVATE enterprises, also contracting with WINZ!

    While some of their efforts may be justified, I am worried about the whole agenda, and from what I hear so far, Labour are NOT going to reverse the most hideous “welfare reforms” that happened here for decades under the National led government.

    I am not against work for those who can do it, but I remain robustly opposed to the ideological shit we get served, based on flawed “science” by self serving “experts” like UK Professor Mansel Aylward and also MSD’s David Bratt. I will fight this shit until I die, and I rather die before all this gets supported by a Labour led government, which I fear may happen again, as it did before, and Bratt was hired under them, according to roles LABOUR designed!

    http://accforum.org/forums/index.php?/topic/15188-medical-and-work-capability-assessments-based-on-the-bps-model-aimed-at-disentiteling-affected-from-welfare-benefits-and-acc-compo/

    http://accforum.org/forums/index.php?/topic/15264-welfare-reform-the-health-and-disability-panel-msd-the-truth-behind-the-agenda/

    So that is MY present position towards Labour! I also observe Moroney is too weak to handle Bennett, as she is too “nice”. Sue Moroney is a hard worker, nice and all that, I know, but she is NO match to Bennett, and I read something worrying out of all this, Labour NOT putting enough emphasis on welfare. It was confirmed to me last night by a Labour member! My only hope in welfare now is Louisa Wall, and otherwise the Greens or Mana!

  30. xtasy 34

    Many progressive ideas and movements were destroyed by determined hostility. Listen to the last words of Salvador Allende:

    How many years of suffering and dictatorship followed? What a horrible world, and this is just one example of endless ones. Stand up and FIGHT, if you have the bloody GUTS!

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