Planet A – Saturday!

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1. singularian 1

   4 December 2009 at 7:19 am

   So you want thousands of people to travel into into the city centre to support using less resources to combat climate change?

   And according to the press release – it’s their last chance? Why?

   Sorry, to me this is like 15,000 people flying into Copenhagen from all over the world to combat co2 use. They appear to see no irony.

   Just more – make the sinners feel good in the Holy Church of AGW

   Are you still totally confident in the ‘science’ r0b? It seems to be losing credibility by the day.
   • RedLogix 1.1

     4 December 2009 at 9:39 am

     What papers have been withdrawn or rescinded?

     Can you link us to the new peer reviewed papers which completely change the understanding?

     Awaiting your reply with interest.
2. micky savage 2

   4 December 2009 at 8:33 am

   I could do no better than to quote IPCC chairman Rajendra Pachauri on why action is required now:

   “If there’s no action before 2012, that’s too late. What we do in the next two to three years will determine our future. This is the defining moment.’

   And sinularian what are your qualifications? What allows you to judge the science so conclusively?
3. singularian 3

   4 December 2009 at 8:42 am

   Appeal to authority = fail
   • r0b 3.1

     4 December 2009 at 9:17 am

     Appeal to ignorance = epic fail
     • singularian 3.1.1

       4 December 2009 at 9:26 am

       Any answer to my questions r0b or would you rather just call me names?
       • r0b 3.1.1.1

         4 December 2009 at 9:38 am

         Any answer to my questions r0b or would you rather just call me names?

         What “names” would they be?

         So you want thousands of people to travel into into the city centre to support using less resources to combat climate change?

         Yes.

         And according to the press release it’s their last chance? Why?

         See source quoted above by mickey savage: “If there’s no action before 2012, that’s too late. What we do in the next two to three years will determine our future. This is the defining moment.’

         Sorry, to me this is like 15,000 people flying into Copenhagen from all over the world to combat co2 use. They appear to see no irony.

         Bugger irony. That’s just another pathetic excuse from deniers to do nothing.

         Are you still totally confident in the ‘science’ r0b?

         100% confident. And putting it in ‘scare’ quotes won’t make it go away.
       • mickysavage 3.1.1.2

         4 December 2009 at 11:46 am

         Singularian

         How about answering my question. What are your qualifications and why do you feel sufficiently informed and intelligent to make such a big call?
4. Pat 4

   4 December 2009 at 8:51 am

   I’ll be there, weather permitting (not the march, though)

   I’m looking forward to Russell Norman giving his “possum trapping and tree planting are good jobs for Maoris” speech.

   Anyone else going to the Auckland one?
5. ben 5

   4 December 2009 at 9:56 am

   You know, it just hit me. The whole concerts for a cause thing, started by Geldof, is based on a fallacy. That fallacy is to count all the thousands of people as turning up for a free concert as support for your political cause.

   Of course, that is a lie. A true test would be to have a concert-less rally and see how many turn up then. My guess is less than you’d get less than when U2 or Madonna is playing. A lot less.

   Geldof’s trick is exactly that: it is to convert all the people willing to see U2 play free into political clout for his cause, on the obviously false premise that that is what all 200,000 packed into Wembley really care about.

   Geldof is clever for his insight, and it has worked. But it is nevertheless a trick.
   • r0b 5.1

     4 December 2009 at 10:02 am

     The whole concerts for a cause thing, started by Geldof

     Get offa my lawn!

     http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Concert_for_Bangladesh
     • Pat 5.1.1

       4 December 2009 at 10:18 am

       Ben is right. My mate and I are taking our kids to see Rhys Darby and Midnight Youth. They are big fans. We’ll be setting up early while the Doomsday Parade is still going on.
       • micky savage 5.1.1.1

         4 December 2009 at 8:29 pm

         Pat and Ben

         When the Doomsday Parade walks past you should talk to your kids and explain what the people are marching about. That way in 30 years time your kids can conclude that you were idiots and that you and your ilk are to blame for the world’s problems.
   • felix 5.2

     4 December 2009 at 10:16 am

     Of course you’re right, ben. No-one cares about anything.

     A true test would be to have a concert-less rally and see how many turn up then.

     Not really. By your own narrow reasoning that would simply be a test of how many people enjoy going to concert-less rallies.
6. Bill 6

   4 December 2009 at 9:40 pm

   Unless you are willing to jack in your job or career; to make the break and disengage from our industrial market economy and commit to discovering and exploring,with a heightened degree of seriousness and urgency, alternative ways to ensure that sense of well being you have that keeps you chained to current orthodoxies and habits of living…. then all the marches and concerts; all the fair trade purchases and buy nothing days; all the accusations and condemnations…..all are amounting to nothing more than facile and desperate attempts to salve consciences.

   You have to do something. But before you can do something you have to have some ideas. Some plans. Some vision. And that’s what I rarely come across….visions of alternatives to this indefatigable grinding degeneration that has been brought on and pushed on by our involvement in and contributions to current modes of production and consumption.

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