Reaching Tipping Point

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1. infused 1

   8 June 2012 at 8:05 am

   It’s going to happen, so I don’t know why everyone keeps harping on about it. Things will only change when the damage is obvious and impacts everyday life.
   • Ben Clark 1.1

     8 June 2012 at 8:54 am

     Maybe because we want some action while that action will still make a big enough difference?

     Maybe because if we convince enough people about the need for action, we might actually do something?
     • infused 1.1.1

       8 June 2012 at 12:57 pm

       You won’t get any auction that will make any significant difference. Thought you would have learn’t that by now.

       It’s not a left vs right thing.

       It’s human nature. We want want want, and will continue to do so at the expensive of the planet – UNTIL those actions have a major impact on our lives.

       Currently it doesn’t,
       • Jenny 1.1.1.1

         8 June 2012 at 7:04 pm

         You won’t get any auction that will make any significant difference. Thought you would have learn’t that by now.

         It’s not a left vs right thing.

         It’s human nature. We want want want, and will continue to do so at the expensive of the planet – UNTIL those actions have a major impact on our lives.

         Currently it doesn’t,

         infused

         I disagree. And the facts back me up. New Zealanders have acted before on principle, and more than once. New Zealanders didn’t wait until war, or racism, affected them personally before they took action against nuclear ships or racially selected sports teams.

         The same will happen again over climate change.

         When New Zealanders understand the enormity of the threat, and identify where it is coming from.

         All roads lead to Rotorua

         A conference of wealthy and powerful environmental vandals is being held in Rotorua this August.

         These people don’t give a damn about the environment, or the planet, all that concerns them is their personal gratification and the profits accruing to them. Check out their decadent “mining and wining” agenda.

         http://www.cvent.com/events/ausimm-nz-branch-2012-conference/event-summary-9bf04bf7cef44d439214fc6296f62776.aspx

         We the majority of New Zealanders concerned about our world, need to convince these representatives of the 1% attending this conference, of our deep determination to stop their coal mining, their fracking, their deep sea oil drilling, let’s pan their schemes to exploit the natural world to it’s limits (and beyond). Let us convince these wealthy investors, that despite the assurances, that they have received from industry and government leaders;

         That – “IT IS NOT A DONE DEAL”

         Become part of the large powerful and effective protest movement to give this rich corporate scum, some pause for thought.
         Join peacefully with others to swamp their conference with our numbers, to force the issue of climate change and pollution on to their money grubbing agenda. Make the self centred rich and powerful delegates attending this conference, feeling secure in their bubble of luxury and privilege, confront the real world consequences of their actions. Make sure that whatever they do, the one thing they can’t do, is, ignore you, and all your brothers and sisters.

         The holding of this conference in the heart of the North Island, almost perfectly triangulated between those, opposed to fracking in the West, to those, opposed to deep sea mining in the East, to those opposed to mining in the far North. And midway between two of the biggest population centres in the country is very auspicious, potentially seeing the very biggest numbers possible rally against these agents of climate change.

         It is almost like, they are testing the water, to see what forces mobilise against their mining, polluting agenda. Let’s not disappoint them.

         Circle the date in your calender.
         • Jenny 1.1.1.1.1

           8 June 2012 at 9:59 pm

           ‘
           FT1: Mines & Wines

           Saturday 25 to Sunday 26 August (two days)
           Leaders: Dave Stewart and Jeff Mauk
           Cost: $540 (Ex-Auckland and includes transport, meals on both days, wine tasting, and accommodation at the luxury Fantail Lodge)

           The first day will begin with a visit to New Zealand Steel’s Waikato North Head ironsand deposit, followed by a trip to Solid Energy’s Rotowaro opencast coalmine.

           We spend the night at the luxury Fantail Lodge, where partipants will be treated to a gourmet ten-course French-style dinner, complete with a selection of wines, and music from a concert harpist.

           The second day visits epithermal gold deposits in the Hauraki Goldfield, and then finishes with a visit to the Morton Estate Winery, and a brief description of New Zealand terroir. The trip ends at the conference venue in Rotorua.

           For additional information contact Jeff Mauk ph (09) 373 7599 ext 87419, email JMauk@USGS.gov

           Time For Outrage On Behalf of the Planet | Common Dreams

           …. we have an emergency, and we have the tools to fight it, the only question is why we’re not doing so. And the answer, I think, is clear: it’s in the interest of some of the most powerful players on earth to prolong the status quo. Some of those players are countries, the ones with huge fossil-fuel reserves: recent research has demonstrated that the nations with the most coal, gas, and oil are the most recalcitrant in international negotiations. And some of those players are companies: the fossil fuel industry is the most profitable enterprise in history, and it has proven more than willing to use its financial clout to block political action in the capitals that count……

           ….. we have to overcome the resistance of those companies and countries. We can’t outspend them, so we have to find different currencies in which to work: creativity, spirit, and passion. In other words, we have to build movements—creative, hopeful movements that can summon our love for the planet, but also angry, realistic movements willing to point out the ultimate rip-off under way, as a tiny number of people enrich themselves at the expense not only of the rest of us, but also at the expense of every generation yet to come, not to mention every other species.
         • Georgecom 1.1.1.1.2

           8 June 2012 at 11:16 pm

           Where is the “Mining and Winning” bit outlined in their conference? This doesn’t look like a politiking and campaigning focused conference. Aside from the obvious set piece promotion that the conference will push, what is there in the publicity material to denote that it is a ‘hearts and minds’ type event?
           • Jenny 1.1.1.1.2.1

             9 June 2012 at 8:48 pm

             You obviously didn’t click on the link

             Here it is again:

             http://www.cvent.com/events/ausimm-nz-branch-2012-conference/custom-21-9bf04bf7cef44d439214fc6296f62776.aspx
   • Kotahi Tane Huna 1.2

     8 June 2012 at 10:01 am

     The damage is obvious.

     It impacts everyday life.

     What are you going to do now? Look in the opposite direction?
     • infused 1.2.1

       8 June 2012 at 12:55 pm

       It doesn’t impact everyday life enough. Water isn’t expensive, gas isn’t high enough, mc’ds isn’t $20 a hamburger.

       Etc.
       • Colonial Viper 1.2.1.1

         8 June 2012 at 1:08 pm

         it doesn’t impact every day life enough because we still have sufficient wealth and infrastructure in present-day NZ society to compensate for it.

         But as the sea level rises, more and more people are going to find themselves underwater…metaphorically and literally.
         • infused 1.2.1.1.1

           8 June 2012 at 7:22 pm

           Which is my point… when that happens, people will change… until then…
       • Foreighn Waka 1.2.1.2

         9 June 2012 at 10:54 am

         You need to balance the right of life vs procreation of life measured on sustainability. Every living creature has sussed this – except the human being. It is interesting that for our species this can only be achieved by using intellect but yet we leave it to instinct.
         To make everything just more expensive condemns the poor to death. As we can see when the hunger wipes out thousands in Africa/Asia. Hunger creates the perfect precursor to do ANYTHING to make it go away. If it means to damage the environment, so be it. Oil drilling, mining, deforestation only happens because the governments need to be doing or seen to be doing something about the hunger within their own countries.Trees don’t march on your palace threatening the power base.
         Considering how much food we through away every day in the so called civilized world and the fact that we are unable to conquer the problems of malnutrition in our own backyard is the real reason for this malaise which is the result of unequal access to BASICS.
         It is proven that if people are well fed, sheltered and free from angst, reproduction drops to sustainable levels.
         To create this change and access for all people to be fed, housed and clothed is a challenge not without its own problems, considering the predatory thinking created to “survive”. Politically, well that is a different issue all together as the servants of money and power have their own interdependency. Not easy.
   • Robert Atack 1.3

     8 June 2012 at 5:23 pm

     People are not going to vote for 80-90% unemployment, no TV, no personal transport in the form of cars, and the best one NO children.
     So we will crash and burn, this seething mass of flesh is going down) it is only a matter of time tick tick tick.
2. vto 2

   8 June 2012 at 9:12 am

   One thing I have noticed over the decades is that where the hippies are is where everyone else ends up later. Might sound madness to some but it appears to be the way. Examples – living in Coromandel, Raglan, Matakana or other places. organic foods. lightweight living. environmental concerns. sandals and headscarfs (ok, maybe not that one) …

   I suspect that everyone else will end up where the hippies have been re global warming and pollution etc in the future. Perhaps use this as a test for the importance of hippies.
   • weka 2.1

     8 June 2012 at 12:43 pm

     +1
   • Bill 2.2

     8 June 2012 at 1:45 pm

     Hmm. Seeing as how the presence of hippies was written in the past tense (“where the hippies have been”), does that mean I can look forwards to a hippy free world?
     • weka 2.2.1

       8 June 2012 at 2:34 pm

       You’d have to dispose of your own hippy tendancies first ;-p
        
       The past tense in this case shows that the hippies have already been where everyone else is now going. This suggests that they are always in our future. There is no escaping the hippies.
3. Robert Atack 3

   8 June 2012 at 5:19 pm

   This dose not bode well for Kiwi Saver. I wonder if the greeds and Labor will promises to close it down in a moment of unusual honesty?
   Oh and – increasing access to clean water – only increases C02 output so another fail.
4. muzza 4

   8 June 2012 at 6:18 pm

   Agenda 21 will sort it all out..
5. jaymam 5

   11 June 2012 at 6:07 pm

   Breaking news: – a Hockey Stick found in Australia’s climate.
   “1000 years of climate data confirms Australia’s warming”

   http://joannenova.com.au/2012/06/300000-dollars-and-three-years-to-produce-a-paper-that-lasted-three-weeks-gergis/
   • Te Reo Putake 5.1

     11 June 2012 at 6:17 pm

     Do try and keep up, jayman. That report got thrashed like Basil Fawlty’s car on another thread over the weekend.
     • jaymam 5.1.1

       11 June 2012 at 8:01 pm

       Well, I don’t read all of the open threads.

       How about “global warming stunts black holes”?

       http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21428683.900-cosmic-climate-change-may-have-stunted-black-holes.html
       • lprent 5.1.1.1

         11 June 2012 at 11:22 pm

         Bloody hell. How long before we see the argument that the naturally occurring cycles of the boom and bust universe cycling from big bang to big crunch are what is really changing the weather – making it colder as the neutrinos emitted from the event horizionz of galactic sized black holes passing hough the earth are cooling it down.

         Look! I have scientific papers on cosmology done by meteorologists to prove it… They have weather or climate in th title!!!!!!!

         And pleeezeee – no-one point this comment out to the potty peer and his minons of corporate welfare. I have no wish to be prominently featured in their lists of “skeptics” who don’t “believe” in climate alarmists…

         Actually my absurd theory makes more sense than Oscar’s attempts.

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