The mask slips

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1. alex 1

   7 October 2011 at 10:53 am

   Bizarre reaction from Key to make that gesture. Maybe he assumed the cameras would be focused somewhere else and wanted to provoke a big Labour outburst which would make them look bad? Backfired though, TV3 is all over that nice man Key on this one.
   • mickysavage 1.1

     7 October 2011 at 8:25 pm

     The disturbing thing is the complete absence of compassion.  Someone tried to kill himself in front of Key.  There is not the slightest bit of concern for that person, just an attempt to score political points, weirdly.
     • travellerev 1.1.1

       8 October 2011 at 7:15 am

       Perfectly sane for a psychopath though!
2. ghostwhowalksnz 2

   7 October 2011 at 10:58 am

   More the act of some Mafia Don to an errant capo.

   If some person in the street made the same gesture to Key, the DPS would be all over them in an instant
3. Ianupnorth 3

   7 October 2011 at 11:01 am

   The comments pages of the Herald make interesting reading http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=10756873
    
   Not a lot of support for Shonkey
4. Tom Gould 4

   7 October 2011 at 11:08 am

   Strange how the MSM is all bent out of shape in sympathy with the Herald for coping a ban from the Speaker for running a photo of the incident, with Herald editor Tim Murphy lambasting the decision just “six weeks out from the general election.” Could this be the same MSM that overlooked their buddies at Radio Live giving Key an hour of free airtime just seven weeks out, agreeing it was not political? Bunch of self-serving, over privileged hypocrites.
5. JamesMeager 5

   7 October 2011 at 11:14 am

   “The Labour frontbench sits down. John Key and Gerry Brownlee have been sitting this whole time”

   That’s not true. Here at 0:50s in you get a direct shot of Key standing until 1:21:
   • mickysavage 5.1

     7 October 2011 at 11:32 am

     I am not sure about your point but Eddie’s comment was that Key sat from the time the man was pulled back from the balustrade, not that he was sitting throughout the whole incident.
     • insider 5.1.1

       7 October 2011 at 3:27 pm

       The Lab front bench including Goff remain seated the whole time too except for king and Dyson (?). What is its relevance anyway (apart from demonstrating how poor Eddie’s observation skills are)?
   • Blighty 5.2

     7 October 2011 at 11:48 am

     “this whole time” ie. the time shown in the video
     • JamesMeager 5.2.1

       7 October 2011 at 2:52 pm

       Ah ok I get ya now. My mistake, what was said is true, Key was sitting the whole time in that video, and had been sitting for ~15s before that 3 News clip starts (after standing for ~30s).

       I’d argue that the sentence implies Key had been sitting down during the whole incident, but I suspect that’s pointless..
6. Brett Dale 6

   7 October 2011 at 11:19 am

   You know if this was a court of law, he would be found not guilty, that video is more blurry than the one of the guy in the ape suit from the 1970’s who was suppose to be big foot.
   • Draco T Bastard 6.1

     7 October 2011 at 11:21 am

     It’s blurry but obvious what he did.
     • Joe Bloggs 6.1.1

       7 October 2011 at 11:35 am

       obvious to a tinfoil hat salesman maybe…
       • Colonial Viper 6.1.1.1

         7 October 2011 at 11:41 am

         Its simple confirmation that key is a scumbag, no more, no less.
       • Blighty 6.1.1.2

         7 October 2011 at 11:50 am

         Why do three or four Labour MPs simultanously react with outrage after Key makes the gesture if it isn’t something offensive?
         • McFlock 6.1.1.2.1

           7 October 2011 at 12:51 pm

           obviously they rehearsed it beforehand in order to make key look bad! /sarc (just wanted to beat the toryboys to that one)
         • insider 6.1.1.2.2

           7 October 2011 at 3:12 pm

           was it the gesture or the words? I thought it was what he said they first got annoyed at. As Goff gets up to speak King says ‘fancy saying that’. They seem more concerned about words not deeds

           The gesture can equally be interpreted as ‘finish’ ‘or wind up’, as used in TV/theatre or other quiet place. But there is nothing in the words alleged to have been said that connect with that interpretation of the gesture, or of the interpretation of it being a physical threat.
           • McFlock 6.1.1.2.2.1

             7 October 2011 at 4:03 pm

             “The gesture can equally be interpreted as ‘finish’ ‘or wind up’, as used in TV/theatre or other quiet place.”

             That’s the interpretation that you and one or two other apologists have independently settled on, is it?
             So rather than threatening them, he was merely giving them theatre direction? And it also conveniently ignores the context of the immediate danger Labour MPs had literally been under, what with 70kg of distressed person dangling over them.

             BTW, watch the video again: Key’s verbal idiocy elicits a “what? What?” from Labour. The throat “direction” gained the “scumbag” laurel – and he deserved it, imo.
             • insider …

               7 October 2011 at 4:13 pm

               I don’t know what he was doing nor why. Either interpretation is equally as unlikely as neither make sense. What in context makes this more likely to be a threatening gesture? What exactly was he threatening?

               Note – I use the gesture all the time, particularly when I want the kids to stop telling their mother of my latest error. But if you want to get all technical like, if I were mimicking a slit throat I’d probably start at my left ear and work quite deliberately around under my chin to my right one (with accompanying blood curdling sound effect), not just draw a vague line in the air
               • McFlock …

                 7 October 2011 at 5:03 pm

                 Maybe he was doing the standard dysfunctional team member routine of subtly provoking “unprovoked and irrational” behaviour from people who actually work for a living. That’s much more likely than giving stage directions.

                 Even if you do it to your kids all the time.
               • mickysavage …

                 7 October 2011 at 8:29 pm

                 Insider you have had 48 hours to come up with something and you come up with this?
           • Vicky32 6.1.1.2.2.2

             7 October 2011 at 4:47 pm

             as used in TV/theatre or other quiet place.

             I can imagine what would happen if I tried to use that gesture to end a discussion in the classroom! I’ve been involved in theatre on and off and have to say to you, WTF?
             • felix …

               7 October 2011 at 11:12 pm

               Yeah I’ve never seen this in the theatre either. Except on stage, by actors playing violent, threatening characters of course.
   • Blighty 6.2

     7 October 2011 at 11:52 am

     Brett. There’s already a post today called “none so blind”
     • Brett Dale 6.2.1

       7 October 2011 at 1:01 pm

       Im not saying he didnt do it, if it was a court of law though he would be found not guilty.
       • Lanthanide 6.2.1.1

         7 October 2011 at 1:13 pm

         If a court of law were only relying on video surveillance and nothing else, yes.

         How topical.
       • felix 6.2.1.2

         7 October 2011 at 11:15 pm

         That’s fascinating, Brett.

         What if it were a swimming pool at a hotel, and Key was having lunch, and a monkey jumped into the pool and splashed his sandwich?

         What then?
       • fmacskasy 6.2.1.3

         8 October 2011 at 12:16 am

         How do you know? That’s little more than a supposition on your part.

         Don’t forget, in a Court of law there would be other evidence presented – like about 30+ witnesses.
7. Rodel 7

   7 October 2011 at 11:36 am

   Key’s frozen posture during the incident was like George Bush when he first heard about 9/11.
   Like a helpless possum caught in the headlights. With slow reactions like that and then inappropriate delayed reactions maybe he does need all those security.guys.
8. vto 8

   7 October 2011 at 11:44 am

   Some short time ago I posted that Key seemed to have the characteristics of a coward and that he wouldn’t be someone you would want beside you at a time of threat and physical risk….

   Well this entire episode establishes his cowardice more again.

   If people don’t catch onto these parts of Key’s character before this election I would surmise that they most certainly will during a second term, which will end up seeing him labelled as one of our most shallow, weak and cowardly leaders ever. It won’t end up good for him and his reputation imo.
   • Galeandra 8.1

     7 October 2011 at 12:17 pm

     +++
   • insider 8.2

     7 October 2011 at 12:35 pm

     So now he is a cowardly, psychopath, alcoholic, sociopath? Every day a new gem
     • Draco T Bastard 8.2.1

       7 October 2011 at 12:40 pm

       Coward goes with being a psychopath.

       Anyway, didn’t we have this conversation yesterday where you couldn’t disprove anything that was said that shows John Key has psychopathic tendencies?
       • insider 8.2.1.1

         7 October 2011 at 1:58 pm

         Don’t confuse couldn’t with couldn’t be arsed. I’m not sure how one could disprove medical assessments done over the internet. It’s like dealing with travellerev
         • felix 8.2.1.1.1

           7 October 2011 at 11:18 pm

           Of course you can’t be arsed.

           Shit, it’s like people think you have time to hang around this site all day chatting about this, that and the other.

           Idiots.
           • McFlock 8.2.1.1.1.1

             8 October 2011 at 12:27 am

             I’d also point out that the only real requirement is not “proof”, but merely to demonstrate that “high-functioning psycho” is a less likely conclusion than “well-rounded human being”.
             • felix …

               8 October 2011 at 12:49 am

               Oh be realistic, insider doesn’t have the time to make a few simple points leading to a reasonable conclusion.
         • travellerev 8.2.1.1.2

           8 October 2011 at 7:40 am

           Try dealing with this scientific research on Psychopaths. Turns out traders, Forex guys and derivatives (all of which John Key is) are far worse than Psychopaths. John Key was the head of Global Forex trading and European head of derivatives trading for Merrill Lynch. In that world only the most ruthless of the ruthless scumbags rise to the top. Your turn!
     • bbfloyd 8.2.2

       7 October 2011 at 12:58 pm

       so we can safely assume that insider is “comfortable” with new zealand being run into the ground by a government supposedly led by a coward with substance abuse issues and serious personality disorders……

       now that’s certainly not something most of us would be proud of….. especially since keys afflictions have become common knowledge….
       • insider 8.2.2.1

         7 October 2011 at 1:53 pm

         Apart from the echo chamber here, where exactly is this common knowledge?
9. Scotty 9

   7 October 2011 at 12:05 pm

   Check out Keys’ right leg,
   Shakin like a shit house door in a southerly .
   No wonder he fu*ked up .
   Amped to the max
   • Anne 9.1

     7 October 2011 at 12:25 pm

     Shakin like a shit house door in a southerly
     Lol.

     I took that to mean he knew he’d fu*ked up big time (more damming evidence) and he was itching to ‘get outta here’ as soon as he could. Which he did.
10. Daniel 10

    7 October 2011 at 1:23 pm

    I see TV3 are being very careful what they report.
    At best, the video shows “Mr Key making a hand gesture near his throat” (this is the caption for the TV3 video) and “with readers of 3news.co.nz saying Mr Key made a throat-slitting gesture at the Labour Party.”

    “3 News believes Mr Key may have said, “I said we needed them for situations like this”.

    “3 News readers have speculated this was a throat-slitting gesture – however Mr Key may just have been backing the Speaker’s calls for silence. ”

    http://www.3news.co.nz/VIDEO-Key-makes-hand-gesture-to-throat/tabid/419/articleID/228536/D-efault.aspx#ixzz1a38ybMqh
    • Brett Dale 10.1

      7 October 2011 at 2:40 pm

      That makes more sense that he was backing the speakers call for silence, than doing a throat silt gesture, shame on the labour party for thinking the worse of people.
      • McFlock 10.1.1

        7 October 2011 at 2:50 pm

        Going to stick with that Tui billboard, are you?

        “He was just supporting the Speaker’s calls for silence. Yeah, right.”
        • Brett Dale 10.1.1.1

          7 October 2011 at 3:30 pm

          Watch it again, it seems like that is what he was doing, why
          the hell would do a throat silting gesture.
          • McFlock 10.1.1.1.1

            7 October 2011 at 4:07 pm

            subtle harrassment designed to provoke an apparently excessive and “unprovoked” reaction. A common tactic used by people who can’t work with others – classic “levelling down”. I wonder how much the opposition have had to put up with for the last few years.

            Pity for him that this time it was on camera.
      • Draco T Bastard 10.1.2

        7 October 2011 at 3:08 pm

        Grasping at straws there, both you and tv3, in your efforts to find anything that portrays your hero as an upstanding citizen rather than the psychopath he is.
        • Brett Dale 10.1.2.1

          7 October 2011 at 3:31 pm

          Draco

          You honesty think he is clinically a Psychopath???

          You guys are getting more like faux News everyday.
          • Draco T Bastard 10.1.2.1.1

            7 October 2011 at 4:10 pm

            You honesty think he is clinically a Psychopath?

            He shows most of the tendencies and behaviours associated with it. His throat slash towards Labour was another one of those.
      • seeker 10.1.3

        7 October 2011 at 3:25 pm

        Brett -shame on you for trying to sanitise such a disgraceful incident; unless of course you are blind and cannot view the video properly , in which case I apologise.
        • Brett Dale 10.1.3.1

          7 October 2011 at 3:59 pm

          He could of been waving them off, telling them to be quiet. Like I said, if it was a court of law he would be found not guilty.
          • mike 10.1.3.1.1

            7 October 2011 at 5:39 pm

            OJ Simpson was found not guilty in a court of law Brett.

            When someone is found not guilty in a court of law that doesn’t prove that they didn’t actually do the deed.

            Besides I disagree that your verdict would be obvious , i.e. that we should all give him the benefit of the doubt here.

            If you claim the gesture was not a throat slashing gesture I just can’t buy it on what I see. Even Nat apologist bloggers are saying laughably retarded things like “Hey it’s ok for the All Blacks to do it in the haka so what’s the big deal.”

            And saying he was trying to tell Labour to quiet down that’s absurd for three reasons. First, the video clearly shows that the house was silent and the speaker was speaking clearly and uninterrupted when Key did the dirty deed. Second, and this one might be debatable but either of the other two reasons would convince me anyway, it seems to me that the speaker is looking in Key’s direction when he is trying to get the house to shut up. Who do you think we means when he gives the “Remember, when we point the finger…” bit? And third, are you seriously asking me to believe that Key truly believes that the Labour front bench will see him giving them the throat slashing gesture and say to themselves, “Oh John Key wants us to quiet down, we should quiet down because John Key has given us the throat slashing sign”? Not buying. And if you concede that Key probably doesn’t believe that, then please explain to me why he gave the throat slashing gesture.

            No Brett, sorry, no. This juror says guilty.
            • mickysavage 10.1.3.1.1.1

              7 October 2011 at 8:37 pm

              Aye this is even worse.  So Brett is acknowledging Key did wrong but there may not be quite enough proof to seeing it in a Criminal Court.  Is this an emphatic uplifting endorsement of our PM?
          • fmacskasy 10.1.3.1.2

            8 October 2011 at 12:17 am

            Exce;pt, there were witnesses as well as the video. Oh, he’d be found guilty alright.
11. Oligarkey 11

    7 October 2011 at 1:39 pm

    Key is shit scared of getting the ripening of karma that many will think he is due. He supports the fattening of pockets of sociopathic multi-millionaires, whilst hundreds of thousands of New Zealand’s kids go without proper nutrition, and participation in society. That was a nervous reaction by Key. He can’t help but think that one day, while he’s walking down the street, karma’s going to come back to him.

    Just telling it like we all know it is.
    • mike 11.1

      7 October 2011 at 3:53 pm

      Spot on. His use of the DPS in indicative of two things.

      1 – the paranoia that comes from a prolonged butt-f*cking of the country while smiling and telling us it’s for our own good and that we love it. Someone who gets scraped off the side of his shoe might actually catch on and be angry.

      2. – a growing ego. “It’s like beating one of the neighbor’s expensive cars with a baseball bat with the sole objective of owning the most beautiful car in the neighborhood.” That was the mentality described in a scientific study that found that stock traders scored higher on a test for psychopathy than psychopaths. It helps him to feel and look like the big Washington man. And contributes to that feeling I bet he loves: being untouchable. I’m actually happy, because it increases the chances he’ll make more revealing slips like this and people will eventually see the truth.

      Stock traders scored higher on a test for psychopathy than psychopaths. Just thought that was worth repeating.

      http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/new-study-%E2%80%93-traders-are-worse-psychopaths
      • insider 11.1.1

        7 October 2011 at 4:04 pm

        key was never a stock trader…Just thought that was worth repeating.
        • Draco T Bastard 11.1.1.1

          7 October 2011 at 4:13 pm

          No, he was a currency trader and the study just asserts finance traders of which currency traders is a subset.
          • McFlock 11.1.1.1.1

            7 October 2011 at 4:22 pm

            Yep – haven’t found the original research yet, but here’s a google translation of the German news article that started the latest “surprise revelation”.

            Forex included. 10/10 for pedantry, minus several million for getting anywhere.
            • insider 11.1.1.1.1.1

              7 October 2011 at 4:46 pm

              Apprantly it is an MBA project that has not been published. And mike misrepresents it. IT wasn’t a test for psychopathy it was was the prisoners dilemma game which comes out of game theory (psychologists may use it but I bet they don’t base a diagnosis on it) and It measured a trader’s desire to win at all costs and said that is stronger than that of psychopaths – though it doesn’t say what kind of psychopathy they have.

              I’m not sure why this is news. Economists have been measuring the irrationality of markets and participants for years. I saw a great one where people were bidding for a $20 note. The winner paid $28 because it was all about winning. Big surprise – traders like to win more than most.

              to quote one comment I read on this “Who would you rather meet for dinner?
              Carl, the trader, frantically roils the markets, while Hannibal, the cannibal, manically broils your liver.”

              And when supposedly qualified psychologists start using faux professional analyses for character assassination, I think it is more than reasonable to be pedantic.
              • Lanthanide …

                7 October 2011 at 5:12 pm

                “I saw a great one where people were bidding for a $20 note. The winner paid $28 because it was all about winning. Big surprise – traders like to win more than most.”

                I think it is highly likely that you are mis-representing that study.

                I’ve seen this experiment done myself and usually the basis is that you have to pay whatever your highest amount bid was, regardless of whether you win the money or not. So if you bid $23 and someone else bids $24, you both have to pay.

                Basically it puts you in a position where, after you’ve bid over the $20 face value, you have to bid higher in order to recoup some of your loss.
              • McFlock …

                7 October 2011 at 5:13 pm

                Everyone get that? Traders, including forex traders, were not diagnosed as psychopaths. They merely made decisions that were more uncooperative and selfish than decisions made by diagnosed and incarcerated psychopaths. And they achieved poorer results than diagnosed and incarcerated psychopaths.

                I think that’s all cleared up now.

                Of course, immediately turning a self-harm attempt right in front of you into political point-scoring, that would raise eyebrows.
              • mike …

                7 October 2011 at 7:48 pm

                “Apprantly it is an MBA project that has not been published. And mike misrepresents it. IT wasn’t a test for psychopathy it was was the prisoners dilemma game which comes out of game theory”

                I concede that in fact I did misrepresent the study as you say. I was hasty and didn’t read it properly and confused it with other information I was looking at where a successful businessman did score highly on a test for psychopathy. The study could be better represented as a test for ruthlessness, selfishness, and a willingness to stab people in the back. And the traders, (hey, John Key was a trader), scored higher than psychopaths. So at best you’ve moved our PM from psycho to complete asshole. Hat’s off to you sir. By the way, take a look at a definition of ‘psychopath’ somewhere, see if it says anything about ruthlessness, selfishness, and a willingness to stab people in the back. Just sayin’.

                “(psychologists may use it but I bet they don’t base a diagnosis on it)”

                Who does? Are you saying I did? I used it to support my theory, (and that’s all it is, a theory, not a ‘diagnosis’, I don’t remember claiming to be John Key’s doctor), but that’s far from the only reason I think Key is a sociopath. For example, if I can paraphrase McFlock here, he did just the other day immediatly turn a self-harm attempt right in front of him into political point-scoring involving the throat-slashing gesture at his opponent.

                “It measured a trader’s desire to win at all costs and said that is stronger than that of psychopaths – though it doesn’t say what kind of psychopathy they have.”

                So you admit that traders have a kind of psychopathy? That’s big of you bro! So do you have any thoughts on what we should do about having a PM who is kind of a psychopath? Seriously though, traders outscoring psychopaths on this measure doesn’t bother you? That traders are more ruthless than people who literally have no conscience to the point that they have to work hard at pretending that they do?

                “I’m not sure why this is news.”

                Because it implies that traders and psychopaths have more in common than was previously thought.

                ” Big surprise – traders like to win more than most.”

                As do psychopaths.

                “to quote one comment I read on this “Who would you rather meet for dinner?
                Carl, the trader, frantically roils the markets, while Hannibal, the cannibal, manically broils your liver.””

                No one is claiming that John Key is a cannibalistic serial killer, and that everyone, (certain German freaks not included), would choose the lesser of two evils here, i.e. being bored to tears by Carl ahead of being eaten by Hannibal, doesn’t prove anything about anything.

                The psychopaths who commit terrible murders and whatnot are a small subset of psychopaths in society. They are failed psychopaths who couldn’t control themselves, and often had abused childhoods. Most psychopaths look like ordinary people, doing ordinary jobs, and have no plans to do something stupid enough to go to jail. There are many kinds with many different goals and desires. A common one though, is power over others, especially psychological control and greed. Over at the antisocial personality disorder forum I’ve read a number of times the sentiment, “I love it when I destroy a human being completely, then I convince them that it’s all their own fault, and they believe it. Then I ditch them and look for the next vulnerable fool.” That’s common. Many different kinds. That’s why some differentiate between psychopaths and sociopaths.

                “And when supposedly qualified psychologists start using faux professional analyses for character assassination, I think it is more than reasonable to be pedantic.”

                Again do you mean me? Because I said I have a degree in psychology? A BSc doesn’t make someone a ‘qualified psychologist’ by any stretch. I’m a little flattered you thought my musings had even a vague resemblance to a professional analysis. I think they look more like a guy on a website saying stuff myself.

                What’s your implication here? That some naive soul might read my anonymous posts here on a Labour-loving blobsite and think my theories are endorsed by the official New Zealand Sociopath Spotter Association? I’m just a guy, on a blog, with an opinion. I’m not pretending to be anything more or less.

                Also, I could be talking smack about Mother Theresa, Jesus, AND the Mad Butcher and it still would not make your pedantic distinction between stock traders and currency traders reasonable.
                • mickysavage …

                  7 October 2011 at 8:41 pm

                  They are clutching at straws.  The particular study you quoted may not quite say what you thought it said.  But lets ignore the 20 other studies.  A bit like the climate change debate.
                • Maynard J …

                  8 October 2011 at 2:55 am

                  What a defence of Key – it would be better having him round to dinner than being killed and eaten.

                  Indeed.
              • mik e …

                7 October 2011 at 8:19 pm

                Don’t forget the capital gain on the $20 is tax free as well which the righties like because they would rather live in gated communities and all those who lose money on their speculation can live in no mans land .Tightrighties tight arse right wing utopia
          • travellerev 11.1.1.1.2

            8 October 2011 at 7:45 am

            And derivatives trader heading the department for bonds and derivatives which is the $ 700 trillion bubble currently collapsing for Merrill Lynch!
        • mike 11.1.1.2

          7 October 2011 at 4:41 pm

          Quite right Insider, my mistake.

          But as Draco and McFlock point out my incorrectly calling John Key a stock trader instead of a currency trader doesn’t actually make a difference to the real point here does it? Stock traders and currency traders are both finance traders, and the study looked at finance traders in general, not just stock traders.

          Please read the far more in depth and interesting article provided by McFlock.

          Or else let me know if you find a different bunch of straws to clutch.
12. Adrian 12

    7 October 2011 at 5:37 pm

    Key’s defence last week of DPS spending ” Do you know how many people are trying to kill me? ” is a very illuminating exposition of his character. P.s I thought he was supposedly our most popular ever PM?
13. pollywog 13

    7 October 2011 at 5:54 pm

    Now that the precedent has been set, we can all make throat slitting gestures towards Key at any public gathering he attends and he won’t think nothing of it…
    • William Joyce 13.1

      7 October 2011 at 7:51 pm

      what a great idea!
    • mike 13.2

      7 October 2011 at 7:53 pm

      Maybe Phil Goff should bring a John Key voodoo doll into parliament and stick pins in it at question time. Since that’s how we seem to roll in the House these days.
      • Tigger 13.2.1

        7 October 2011 at 8:45 pm

        I think I will try the throat slitting gesture on the police also since, you know, it means nothing.
        • pollywog 13.2.1.1

          8 October 2011 at 1:38 am

          yeah i think i’ll do the same at a biker convention…

          …wonder if Key will go for the pretend hanging gesture next. You know the old, hold a closed fist beside your head while it’s slightly tilted and for extra effect stick your tongue out and roll your eyes

          bet that’ll have the RWNJ’s in hysterics if he does it to King or Goff during parliament
    • travellerev 13.3

      8 October 2011 at 7:50 am

      ROFL. Let’s!
14. hellonearthis 14

    7 October 2011 at 9:00 pm

    The cut throat gesture is like the old Roman emperor thumbs down.
    Could it mean he wants the jumper thrown to the lions?
    • Colonial Viper 14.1

      7 October 2011 at 9:07 pm

      We who are about to die SALUTE YOU
15. robertguyton 15

    8 October 2011 at 7:48 am

    The two faces of John Key

    http://robertguyton.blogspot.com/2011/10/two-faces-of-john-key.html

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