They eat their own

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1. grumpy 1

   3 August 2012 at 11:54 am

   “Did he do it? Who knows. ”

   Suggest you ask Trev and Andy – they seem pretty sure…………………
   • travellerev 1.1

     3 August 2012 at 2:12 pm

     About what?
   • mike e 1.2

     3 August 2012 at 2:35 pm

     Judge has fired back at Collins claim that he wiped his notebook ipad whatever.
     Saying he transferred all his files to his PC.
     So Crusher could be in deeper water.
2. mickysavage 2

   3 August 2012 at 11:57 am

   Me thinks Judith protests too much and too loudly and her strong armed attempts at sueing the Labour MPs and in turning on some of National’s most loyal servants makes me wonder if she is feeling just a little bit vulnerable?
3. Peter 3

   3 August 2012 at 12:00 pm

   They don’t eat all their own – Nick Smith looks set to get back into parliament, and right on cue for their RMA Phase II stuff. I’d look into this closely, what is proposed is nothing short of a wholesale gutting of the Act and its principles.

   If so, there is a large-scale fight looming.
4. Pascal's bookie 4

   3 August 2012 at 12:37 pm

   Kind of odd that Collins sent it to his private email account though. The claim is that he didn’t have an ACC one, which is also odd. I’d have thought the OIA would have made that unwise to say the least.
   • mickysavage 4.1

     3 August 2012 at 1:23 pm

     Hard to comprehend I know but my experience is that Board members tend to use their personal emails rather than one supplied by the organisation.  There can be matters for a board to discuss that they do not want the chief executive to see.
     • Tigger 4.1.1

       3 August 2012 at 1:33 pm

       The Crown boards I’ve worked with have used personal accounts. We’ve sometimes supplied computers but the address is theirs.
       • DH 4.1.1.1

         4 August 2012 at 9:52 pm

         Do they really do that? I’m flabberghasted, it’s totally out of order for anyone in those positions to use personal emails for work purposes. That would make it near impossible to do a proper internal audit. Mind you, maybe that’s why they do it….
5. Anne 5

   3 August 2012 at 12:37 pm

   He’s in parliament Peter. I think you mean he will be re-instated as a cabinet minister.
6. tc 6

   3 August 2012 at 12:54 pm

   And wtf is happening about that other charmer Bennett and her breach of Fullers privacy ?

   Higher standards, yeah right !
   • weka 6.1

     3 August 2012 at 12:56 pm

     Not to mention her lying to the media about AS.
   • Anne 6.2

     3 August 2012 at 2:34 pm

     I was contemplating that only the other day. It’s starting to look a bit fishy. Perhaps it is time the Greens or Labour asked a question in the House.

     Someone will correct me if I’m wrong, but my recollection is that the incident occurred around August 2009? That’s three years ago now!
7. weka 7

   3 August 2012 at 12:56 pm

   Wiping your files before handing your computer back to your ex-work isn’t really a sign of guilt. More like standard practice. On the other hand, it seems at least stupid if not worse to do it while there is an investigation on that may concern that data.
    

   Surely the issue isn’t whether any one computer was wiped, but whether the data still exists.
    
   Lots of unanswered questions. I also find it unbelievable that Judge did not have an ACC work email address. Or that his work emails weren’t backed up somewhere by ACC. If either of those things are true, it’s more evidence that ACC operates with a level of incompetence.
    
    
   • tc 7.1

     3 August 2012 at 1:06 pm

     Or fears for their jobs should they comply and provide the damming evidence.
   • Hayden 7.2

     3 August 2012 at 1:13 pm

     I also find it unbelievable that Judge did not have an ACC work email address.

     It’s certainly a bit strange. Do they get business cards? It must be look weird with “johnny_judge_69@hotmail.com” in the corner. Anyway, that should be a fairly simple OIA request, shouldn’t it?

     Having said that, I was told, by someone who was interviewed for a systems admin. job there, that MFAT used to transfer email messages from its internet-facing mail server to its internal mail system via floppy disc. One of the administrator’s jobs was to facilitate the movement of the discs between the servers – needless to say the person concerned turned it down. This was some time in the 1990s though, so I would hope things have improved somewhat in public sector IT.
     • just saying 7.2.1

       3 August 2012 at 1:21 pm

       Do they get business cards? It must be look weird with “johnny_judge_69@hotmail.com” in the corner.
       Presumably for official purposes there would be a generic address for his office, and possibly a PA to pass on any correspondance from there.
       • Hayden 7.2.1.1

         3 August 2012 at 1:47 pm

         Okay, but then surely that would be the correct address for any official email messages, even if it was copied to his personal address for expediency. If, that is, you weren’t trying to avoid leaving an electronic trail while performing actions of dubious ethics and legality.
   • just saying 7.3

     3 August 2012 at 1:17 pm

     A high level of incompetence there may be, but using a personal email account for work looks to me to be a deliberate attempt at avoiding accountability.
     How widespread is this practise in the upper echelons of the public service I wonder?
     I hope the next government knocks this flouting of democracy and legitimate public interest by public servants on the head smartly.
   • grumpy 7.4

     3 August 2012 at 1:33 pm

     Me too, if he didn’t have a work email address (and therefore channel through the server) what sort of mickey mouse system was ACC running.

     There can only be one reason for not having a work email……………………………………
     • Hayden 7.4.1

       3 August 2012 at 1:42 pm

       There can only be one reason for not having a work email……………………………………

       Obviously didn’t learn anything from Sarah Palin.
   • deuto 7.5

     3 August 2012 at 2:29 pm

     I also find it unbelievable that Judge did not have an ACC work email address.

     As noted by ms and tigger up above at 4 and 4.1, in my (considerable) experience with both Crown and other Boards, Chairs and members of Boards do not have offices etc at the organisation concerned and usually use their own email addresses, phone numbers etc as the means of contact with them. Computers etc are sometimes supplied by the organisation, but the email addresses etc are usually kept separate from those of the organisation to maintain separation of the governance role of the Board from the operational role of the CEO and the organisation. Correspondence etc addressed to them at the organisation is usually handled by someone specifically assigned to that role, with training in confidentiality, the separate roles of boards etc.

     So, from my experience, there is nothing untoward in Judge using his own computer, email address etc.
     • weka 7.5.1

       3 August 2012 at 3:05 pm

       Thanks deuto, that would certainly explain a few things.
8. Pukeko 8

   3 August 2012 at 1:40 pm

   nom nom nom
9. bad12 9

   3 August 2012 at 3:07 pm

   It’s a great show to watch ae, usually the knifing in the back which is a common enough occurrence in the National Party ranks is mostly accomplished behind closed doors,

   It just goes to show how much trouble this Slippery lead National Government is really in even among it’s own supporters,(who can’t quite comprehend the destruction that’s gone on in the Party since the 2011 election),

   Even if Collins and Judge don’t start throwing law suits at each other the poetry in motion of this lot effectively taking turns to heave each other off of the 16th floor balcony is a great watch,

   I am picking that anything Judge done was at least understood by Captain Panic Pants up on the 9th nfloor,(even if there were no actual instructions given),

   I have yet to hear on the Wellington rumor machine whether Collins was in fact plugged into that particular loop and perhaps that’s why She is particularly sensitive and septic on this and possibly She sees Her office having been painted in the colors of ‘turd brown’ when it was someone else who selected the decor and mixed this particular putrid pot of paint,

   Its a great watch to continually have this particular pus filled scab of the Tory’s own making continuing to openly bleed in public,

   The other snigger is that the Doctor(who used to be) in charge ‘Old Snake-eyes’ Nick the medsSmith was being touted by TV3News the other night as about to make a comeback, on one level if that were to be true it would be a horror story for ACC and its claimants, on thew other tho the damage wrought both internally and public to National as Smith floundered round looking for utu from those who He sees as promoting His downfall would make the current show a mere tea party between chimps…
   • mike e 9.1

     3 August 2012 at 4:03 pm

     bad 12 doubt if ol lizard eyes snake belly will be back he has got to many skeletons in the closet.
     Apparently one of them in Dunedin is going to come out.
10. seldomwiped 10

    4 August 2012 at 8:15 pm

    Stuff is seldom totally wiped- having run a hire computer company some years ago – very tedious process and ipad should be able to be resuscitated. Belonged to ACC. Contents belong to ACC. Find the whole thing quite suspicious. Wouldn’t take everything off without a backup disk or the “cloud”..does not seem to me that all options have been explored. Like to know how Ms Pullar got into her personal file and accessed email. Being in a similar small business dispute myself would be handy. Any helpers?

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