Waitangi Day 2017

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1. Sacha 1

   6 February 2017 at 8:32 am

   Some better-informed reflections on the place of the Treaty in this nation than Brash et al will ever muster: http://thewireless.co.nz/articles/waitangi-day-protest-is-better-than-a-propaganda-holiday
   • Sacha 1.1

     6 February 2017 at 9:22 am

     When I think about what this post today could contain, it’s disappointing to have to spend energy resisting derails from modern racists like the ‘hobson’s pledge’ crowd.
2. WILD KATIPO 2

   6 February 2017 at 8:44 am

   Many things are mocked, and many say things would be laughed out of court. However I would hazard a guess that not very many people have even heard of the Littlewood Treaty – let alone read it.

   Its also interesting that those who would side with the accepted status quo are usually the first to jeer and knock the ACT party and reserve even more vehement rejection of globalist neo liberalism – which is exactly what the ‘ Principles of the Treaty of Waitangi ‘ was all about – ripping off the NZ public by using sleight of hand pseudo legalistic jargon introduced by Geoffrey Palmer.

   Remember that the next time you bother to post and rail against ACT and the National party and their neo liberalism.

   As for me? … I believe that many on the Left are as bad as the Right in their dogmatism and hypocrisy.
   • One Anonymous Bloke 2.1

     6 February 2017 at 8:52 am

     In reality (the kind the courts pay attention to) te Tiriti forms the basis of an ongoing relationship between Māori and the Crown.

     That being so, it is entirely appropriate to acknowledge it in legislative form.

     Just as the National Party changed some laws in anticipation of the TPP. Or the UDoHR: the courts take its principles into account when ruling on human rights matters.

     This is pretty basic stuff, whatever Don Brash reckons. You can call it dogma all you like: that’s why we have judges.
   • Carolyn_nth 2.2

     6 February 2017 at 9:09 am

     Being against neoliberalism and a form of globalisation dominated by corporate and financial elites, does not mean that all of us lefties reject international law. International law is extremely important when it comes to claims of borders, and sovereignty.

     Green Party on international law.

     The international legal doctrine of contra preferentum means indigenous language versions of treaties between indigenous peoples and colonising powers are the ones that must be adhered to where there is disagreement. Added to this, both Governor Hobson and most of the Maori chiefs signed the Maori language version.
     • Carolyn_nth 2.2.1

       6 February 2017 at 6:12 pm

       I was a bit lazy withe the picture taking today. Too hot for anything much.
       From my twitter:

       pic of stage with Troy Kingi up in the shade singing. Troy Kingi today at Okahu Bay, Ōrākei”

       Across the street from the events, music, stalls, Okahu Bay
   • xanthe 2.3

     6 February 2017 at 12:02 pm

     “which is exactly what the ‘ Principles of the Treaty of Waitangi ‘ was all about – ripping off the NZ public by using sleight of hand pseudo legalistic jargon ”

     I agree ! transferable corporate ownership of communal heritage never was intended by either language version of Te Tirity. this latest NEW interpretation is just one more sellout of EVERYONES heritage by ariki.

     but some ariki do still serve their people.
     http://maorilawreview.co.nz/2014/10/tuhoe-crown-settlement-te-urewera-act-2014/

     now thats visionary! stewardship!

     and there is always hope!

     http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11795278
3. Chess Player 3

   6 February 2017 at 9:42 am

   I agree Bill English should have attended on behalf of the NZ public as a whole, however Little has done himself no favours at all by showing up with millionaire shock-jock and gang-rape apologist Willie Jackson.
   • mlpc 3.1

     6 February 2017 at 12:35 pm

     I suspect that the NZ public as a whole think that it is a good idea for the PM to attend Waitangi Day events in a different part of the country each year.

     The events at Orakei Marae seem to have been celebratory and respectful.

     Next year in Rotorua?
     • One Anonymous Bloke 3.1.1

       6 February 2017 at 12:43 pm

       Why would Prime Minister Andrew Little change the venue next year?
       • mlpc 3.1.1.1

         6 February 2017 at 2:29 pm

         Because, if he does become PM, he will receive the message from all the iwi, other than Ngapuhi, that the day belongs to them, too.
         Just ask Ngati whatua.
     • mauī 3.1.2

       6 February 2017 at 1:54 pm

       Yep, that’s a good way to deny and avoid.
       • mlpc 3.1.2.1

         6 February 2017 at 2:34 pm

         Why?

         Dozens of iwi signed the Treaty, not only Ngapuhi.

         Granted, a large group of them did sign at Waitangi, but it’s long hikoi to get there for many Maori, even nowadays.
         • mauī 3.1.2.1.1

           6 February 2017 at 7:07 pm

           Why, because lots of other tribes signed the treaty at a later date, i.e not on the 6th February. Why would you celebrate Waitangi Day in Rotorua when the 6th of Feb doesn’t reference the date local iwi signed on?

           Also National aren’t doing this to better relations with iwi across the country. They’re doing it to avoid political flack.
     • Carolyn_nth 3.1.3

       6 February 2017 at 3:27 pm

       I don’t see it either Waitangi or Ōrākei or somewhere else.

       Waitangi has a specific historical meaning, and so it should have a major focus. It’s great we’re getting more events elsewhere as well. We aren’t all able to go to Waitangi on the 6th. So it’s great to have events elsewhere.

       I went to the Ngāti Whātua Ōrākei event last year at Bastion Point.

       Did a blog post about it here:

       It seemed more overtly political than the event today – I also went to it at Okahu Bay, near to Bastion Point.

       The weather is better than last year. Actually it was too hot for me. But some great sounds to chill to. The MC said the Marae used to be in front of today’s stage area.

       What a place it must have been back then, pre-European. Such a beautiful bay and area – tried to imagine it with more dense vegetation way back then.
   • infused 3.2

     6 February 2017 at 2:30 pm

     You misunderstand the public sentiment. Most think this day is a joke.

     Spreading it around will indeed help the cause.
     • Paul 3.2.1

       6 February 2017 at 4:03 pm

       So most people are ill-informed and ignorant about their history.
4. Chris 4

   6 February 2017 at 12:55 pm

   Ironic Bennett leads the prayer at Waitangi when all she’s ever done in every portfolio she’s had is fuck Maori over.
   • Paul 4.1

     6 February 2017 at 2:02 pm

     Or is apt.
     The only hope Maori have under her is to pray.

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