Daily review 04/05/2022

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1. Incognito 1

   4 May 2022 at 5:41 pm

   Can we open it? Yes, we can!

   https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/466434/opening-date-set-for-long-delayed-manawatu-bridge
2. weka 2

   4 May 2022 at 5:56 pm

   Was going to do a post, dropping it here in case it gets lost. Watch and weep.

   https://twitter.com/kevorkian82/status/1521576452923473921?s=21
   • Bearded Git 2.1

     4 May 2022 at 7:39 pm

     Great post Weka. There will be a house price crash in NZ.
     • The Al1en 2.1.1

       4 May 2022 at 10:51 pm

       I'd hope someone in government can frame that as housing's 'great reset'. lol
3. Kat 3

   4 May 2022 at 5:56 pm

   That parliament trespass 'storm in a teacup' hardly went two days let alone two years, Winston most likely saw it as mana from heaven, a great opportunity for a comeback fight.

   Thinking more on yesterdays polling I would say, barring some catastrophe in the Labour ranks, Luxon/National most likely has reached poll peak.
   • Bearded Git 3.1

     4 May 2022 at 7:48 pm

     I'm with Mallard. That nasty bunch-Hide, Fox, Peters and King-gave succor and mana to that illegal and vicious protest outside parliament.

     2 years isn't long enough.
     • Tony Veitch (not etc.) 3.1.1

       5 May 2022 at 5:05 am

       
4. Rosemary McDonald 4

   4 May 2022 at 5:57 pm

   Card -carrying pro-vax Professor Christine Stable-Benn advises young people not to take the mRNA vaccines unless at high risk from Covid infection.

   A very interesting and adult discussion about the pros and cons of vaccines in general and the Covid vaccines in particular.

   Go on…invest 35 minutes.

   and a link to the paper…https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4072489

   And if that is not enough to convince you that perhaps those who demanded that we all take the Pfizer shot may have made a monumental cock -up this study examines the over 25% increase in emergency cardiac related incidences in the 16-40 years age group in Israel that correlate directly with the Pfizer vaccine program.

   Moreover, there is a robust and statistically significant association between the weekly CA and ACS call counts, and the rates of 1st and 2nd vaccine doses administered to this age group. At the same time there is no observed statistically significant association between COVID-19 infection rates and the CA and ACS call counts.

   There were warnings about this… right from the beginning of the Pfizer roll out and the cases of myo and pericarditis began showing up. But still they pushed this…no forced this…. onto young people who are at minimal risk of serious Covid illness.

   Second, it is essential to raise awareness among patients and clinicians with respect to related symptoms (e.g., chest discomfort and shortness of breath) following vaccination or COVID-19 infection to ensure that potential harm is minimized. This is especially important among the younger population and particularly young females, who often receive less diagnostic evaluation for adverse cardiac events compared to males15.
   • gsays 4.1

     4 May 2022 at 8:36 pm

     Great link, thanks Rosemary.

     Well worth the half hour.
     • Rosemary McDonald 4.1.1

       4 May 2022 at 9:18 pm

       Yep. I just watched it again. Christine Stabell-Benn is one brave scientist.
       • RedLogix 4.1.1.1

         4 May 2022 at 9:45 pm

         What was new information to me was how for earlier childhood vaccines such as for measles, the overall reduction in mortality was greater than any reduction in measles could explain. And this result was replicated for many live vaccine types.

         In other words it seems vaccines often have an impact on mortality – both positive and negative – outside of the disease being vaccinated for. And that industry trials never test for this.
         • Rosemary McDonald 4.1.1.1.1

           5 May 2022 at 8:40 am

           ..never test for this…

           And if the obvious questions are asked, the response is usually "anti-vaxxer!"

           Interesting that the much aligned Astra Zeneca, aka 'the clot shot', displayed a much more positive effect on mortality than the Pfizer and Moderna products…providing it is only given to older people who are at less risk from the adverse effects and at more risk from Covid.

           The Ministry of Health here in NZ should halt the administration of the Pfizer product to anyone under the age of fifty unless they are at much greater risk from Covid. Although for far too many it is already too late.

           As Stabell-Benn quite specifically states…the risks (and especially of cardiovascular damage) from the mRNA products are simply too high.
       • gsays 4.1.1.2

         5 May 2022 at 6:27 pm

         As you pointed out, up till now, a proponent of vaccination for Covid.

         Now, not so much, unless you have age or health issues agin you.

         She is right, there is a lot of research that could be done about the negative, unintended side effects of the mRNA drugs, but who would do it?
         • Rosemary McDonald 4.1.1.2.1

           5 May 2022 at 6:54 pm

           …but who would do it?

           In another discussion the other day a similar question was asked. The answer was depressing…but I fear accurate.

           Decisions were made to do this thing (in this case the mass roll out of an experimental product with dubious efficacy) as a largely knee jerk reaction to a perceived crisis, with scant regard to the potential harms and the possibility that it might not fix the crisis anyway.

           It has been an 'all eggs in the one basket' approach and those making this decision are going to defend it to the bitter end… regardless of the evidence that emerges that proves it was most likely a mistake.

           There were warning signs right from the beginning that this was not a safe or effective option for all, but they had made their minds up and dug in.

           Silencing any criticism of the vaccine and casting slurs on those who voiced rightful hesitancy should have been a loud warning to all that there was something not quite right here. Their decision to force this product on just about everyone should have been based on sound scientific evidence that should have withstood full scrutiny and open debate.

           But no. Oh, no…there will be no review and there will be no back down and there will be no apology to the thousands of Kiwis negatively affected by this. These people have done this thing that will impact many of us well into the future…they have to stay true to their mistake. They will justify this to the final trump.
           • gsays 4.1.1.2.1.1

             5 May 2022 at 7:09 pm

             "…there will be no back down…"

             You got that right, on this page alone we have lies and deflection about Mallard, "lynch mob" and "lawless, violent mob".

             Reason has gone with the baby and the bathwater.

             And the pro-plaguers are close minded…
   • Molly 4.2

     5 May 2022 at 12:37 pm

     Thanks Rosemary.

     Everyone interested in vaccination programmes should watch.

     I had read about the mortality rate of girls with the measles virus, compared with boys. Sex matters.
5. joe90 5

   4 May 2022 at 6:20 pm

   And Trev's the villain for leaving the sprinklers on.

   Former Defense Secretary Mark Esper charges in a memoir out May 10 that former President Trump said when demonstrators were filling the streets around the White House following the death of George Floyd: "Can't you just shoot them? Just shoot them in the legs or something?"

   https://www.axios.com/mark-esper-book-trump-protesters-24e93272-2af5-423d-be3b-164daab7b43d.html
   • Anne 5.1

     4 May 2022 at 6:34 pm

     And Trev's the villain for leaving the sprinklers on.

     And he accepted the recommendation to trespass former parliamentarians among others by Parliamentary Security Services. OMG how dare he. Off with his head!
     • Rosemary McDonald 5.1.1

       4 May 2022 at 6:41 pm

       Off with his head!!!

       I believe that is the method favoured by Labour for punishing those who do wrong.

       https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2022/02/20/guest-blog-suzie-dawson-remembering-the-left/

       Perhaps the pictured apparatus is gathering dust in a Labourite's shed somewhere?
       • Anne 5.1.1.1

         4 May 2022 at 8:13 pm

         Off with her head!
     • gsays 5.1.2

       4 May 2022 at 6:43 pm

       "And he accepted the recommendation to trespass former parliamentarians among others by Parliamentary Security Services."

       Any evidence to back up that assertion?
       • Louis 5.1.2.1

         4 May 2022 at 7:10 pm

         https://twitter.com/SpeakerTrevor/status/1521366911761940480
         • gsays 5.1.2.1.1

           4 May 2022 at 7:24 pm

           So, a tweet from the thug himself, spinning about exempting folk.

           Nothing about accepting recommendations to trespass folk.
           • Louis 5.1.2.1.1.1

             4 May 2022 at 8:06 pm

             Mallard is not a thug. "Only the Act Party supported such an exemption"
           • Peter 5.1.2.1.1.2

             4 May 2022 at 8:35 pm

             "Mallard said that the actual decision to trespass Peters and King was not made by him, but by Parliamentary Security, who he had delegated responsibility to."

             https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300580057/parliament-trespass-trevor-mallard-withdraws-five-trespass-notices-including-winston-peters

             Does that make Parliamentary Security thugs too? Does that make Mallard an idiot for delegating stuff to professionals? Does it make Mallard an idiot for not doing everything off his own bat and not involving people with experience and knowledge?
             • gsays …

               4 May 2022 at 8:43 pm

               Thanks Peter.

               "Does that make Mallard an idiot for delegating stuff to professionals? Does it make Mallard an idiot for not doing everything off his own bat and not involving people with experience and knowledge?"

               After his antics during the protest, maybe old dogs can learn new tricks.
               • Louis …

                 5 May 2022 at 4:06 pm

                 What about the antics of the protesters that amounted to a lynch mob?
                 • gsays …

                   5 May 2022 at 6:20 pm

                   C’mon Louis you have to be able to do better than blatant whataboutism, that is really deperate.

                   Putting the "lynch mob" histrionics aside, Mallard is a Government appointee, in a responsible position.

                   Unfortunately, of late, proving himself to be unfit for office.
                   • Louis …

                     6 May 2022 at 4:46 pm

                     You appear to be in denial in regards to the protesters gsays.
                   • gsays …

                     6 May 2022 at 6:55 pm

                     This thread was about Mallard and more titbits about what a bad person Trump is.

                     As to the protesters, they are us.
             • Louis …

               5 May 2022 at 4:07 pm

               Peter
   • gsays 5.2

     4 May 2022 at 7:17 pm

     "And Trev's the villain for leaving the sprinklers on."

     Tragic bit of amateur revisionist history. Don't let the facts get in the way of a clumsy deflection.

     "The sprinklers on Parliament's grounds were turned on late on Friday at Speaker Trevor Mallard’s instruction, and will be running “all night” "

     https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/127742422/parliament-protesters-dig-trenches-to-avoid-all-night-sprinklers
     • Anker 5.2.1

       4 May 2022 at 10:17 pm

       https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/05/winston-peters-calls-for-trevor-mallard-to-face-vote-of-no-confidence.html

       Winnies back
     • Joe90 5.2.2

       5 May 2022 at 12:33 am

       Don't let the facts get in the way of a clumsy deflection.

       Still supporting the lawless, violent mob?

       /
       • gsays 5.2.2.1

         5 May 2022 at 6:17 pm

         Whatever I support, I don't tell fibs about them.
6. weka 6

   4 May 2022 at 6:31 pm

   Birthing bodies for sale

   https://twitter.com/nandoodles/status/1521581893438754817?s=21
   • weka 6.1

     4 May 2022 at 6:39 pm

     Here it is exactly. If you find yourself wanting to make the argument that not all women can get pregnant therefore TWAW, then you have no actual concept of class politics. Female is a sex class, and it is only females that are affected by abortion and abortion laws. Abortion laws sit in a broader context of how patriarchal societies have controlled women as a sex class precisely because they are the group of people that give birth.

     if women cannot name our own class or politics we lose the ability to name what our liberation is. If you still don’t get why so many women are angry about abortion and/or gender ideology, this is why. We know this shit inside out and we know just how precarious our allowed rights are.

     https://twitter.com/purple_crone/status/1521389211055624192?s=21
     • weka 6.1.1

       4 May 2022 at 6:40 pm

       https://twitter.com/cendergrit/status/1521450725016227841?s=21
       • Molly 6.1.1.1

         4 May 2022 at 7:36 pm

         Dr Jane Clare Jones said something in her interview with Helen Staniland that resonated, when talking about "inclusive" feminism:

         Who said feminism meant that women had to be everyone's Mum?
       • Anker 6.1.1.2

         4 May 2022 at 9:47 pm

         Can someone please justify the change from pregnant women to pregnant people for .00698625% of births???

         Nope, thought not
         • Visubversa 6.1.1.2.1

           5 May 2022 at 8:19 am

           This lot do not even bother to try. Amazing linguistic contortions to avoid the use of the forbidden words "woman" and "mother". In a paper about Perinatal Mental Health.

           https://helenclark.foundation/publications-and-media/ahurutia-te-rito-it-takes-a-village/
           • Incognito 6.1.1.2.1.1

             5 May 2022 at 8:37 am

             That report of 72 pages contains many mentions of “mother” and “women”!?

             Of course, you’re free to have your opinion about “this lot”, but you could at least try basing it on accurate input & information and before you write them off so easily.

             Did you look at the many photos in the report? They tell a story too and are there to support the text in a visual sense, but it seems only (the) mothers/women are featured …
             • Molly …

               5 May 2022 at 10:23 am

               The pdf I downloaded had this right at the beginning:

               Throughout this report we use the inclusive term ‘birthing parent’ in place of mother and/or women, in recognition of the fact that not everyone who is pregnant or gives birth is a woman, and that not all mothers are birthing parents. Sometimes though, when quoting or paraphrasing others’ research, we use women and/or mother in that context. We recognise that the majority of birthing parents are women, and that the particular social and cultural expectations placed on mothers can be a source of perinatal stress. Our use of inclusive language does not diminish the feminist lens with which we have approached this work

               and adhered to it from that point on, unless it was quoting from someone who used the words mother/women.

               Men however, retain the role of father, with the inclusion of non-birthing parents.

               Incognito, we have a large number of women in this country with English as a second language, we probably have larger numbers of women with diminished mental capacity than TiF. Conflating gender identity of "women", with biological women impacts on health messages to large groups of women in NZ.

               Not only is the gender identity of women a problem, it appears that when biology matters, women are now no longer able to use the word women to denote biological women.

               Photos/schmotos.
               • Sabine …

                 5 May 2022 at 11:08 am

                 Well we could all just identify as male – he / him – without a penis (so yesteryear) and then birthing parent would fit so well, right?

                 
                 • Molly …

                   5 May 2022 at 11:16 am

                   It has surprised me, the number of men so insistent on the requirement of women calling other men women.

                   No amount of examples of how institutional capture of this removal of women from medical literature, advice, legislation however, seems to make a difference.
               • Incognito …

                 5 May 2022 at 11:16 am

                 Thank you for that note. However, in my opinion, it does not corroborate Anker’s comment.

                 I also fail to see the conflation in that report, but you and others may see it differently. The subject matter of the report is perinatal mental health, so obviously it is about births and biological women and not about women in general (NB English is not my first language either)

                 The photos tell a story, as I said. If you don’t like to story or its framing and wording then you probably won’t like to visual story either.
                 • Molly …

                   5 May 2022 at 11:24 am

                   You reply was to visubversa, so I replied to that. I know the stat that Anker was reporting on, but she hasn't linked, and I believe it is from Australia, but she's the one to follow up.

                   For medical advice, photos (for me) are the equivalent of white space, unless they are demonstrative.

                   I have spent a lot of time in the last couple of years in South Auckland's medical wards for women. Your English is without fault. The ability of many of the women I have shared waiting rooms and wards with is limited to basic English. Even with accompanying family members they will have trouble understanding what is happening.

                   I have also had experience of being with someone with limited mental capacity. Introducing terms like, people who menstruate, instead of women/girls does have a negative impact on their ability to recognise that they are part of that cohort, and what the following advice may mean.

                   If those with gender identities are unable to separate their gender identity from their biological category when discussing medical issues, I believe the problem is their inability to separate the two. This is not solved by accommodating that failure.

                   The only people who birth children and suffer perinatal mental health problems are biological women.
                   • Incognito …

                     5 May 2022 at 8:48 pm

                     Indeed, my reply was to Visubversa @ 6.1.1.2.1 and not to Anker at all. My apologies for the mix up.

                     FWIW, I don’t have a problem with the language in and of the 72-page report. Rather than conflating issues, whilst being cognisant of the sensitivities and acknowledging these, the authors were clear and consistent in their use of language in their report. I don’t think anybody should read more into it than there is in the report – it would distract from the important message(s) about perinatal mental health.
             • Visubversa …

               5 May 2022 at 12:00 pm

               I found 1 in the summary. Plus one reference to maternal. The rest of it is all "birthing parents".

               "Make it easier for whānau/family to spend time with and support new parents and pēpi.

               This could include:

               • extending paid parental leave entitlements to support all parents (i.e. fathers/non-birthing parents as well as mothers/birthing parents) to spend time bonding with their baby and focusing on their whānau

               Suicide is the leading cause of maternal death in Aotearoa, and wāhine Māori are three times more likely than Pākehā to die by suicide during pregnancy or within six weeks of birth."
               • Incognito …

                 5 May 2022 at 7:02 pm

                 Got it. The Summary is not the full report, obviously. Still dismissing “this lot”?
     • weka 6.1.2

       4 May 2022 at 10:24 pm

       So the conservative hate women being liberated, and the liberals have decided liberation is via women not being women.

       https://twitter.com/WeavingHouse/status/1521743213081464832
       • Sabine 6.1.2.1

         5 May 2022 at 11:19 am

         I can not size my image in the comment to Molly, maybe you can lend a helping hand? It shows a decent size in the preview but then does not work when posted. sorry for the mess.
7. In Vino 7

   4 May 2022 at 7:28 pm

   Soimon's farewell speech:

   "It is better to burn out than fade away."

   'Burn out' and 'Fade away' are just about synonyms. Surely 'Go down in flames' is a

   better metaphor for his purpose.

   Simon, for all his degrees (how on earth did he get them??) never had a proper grasp of our language. When leader of the Opposition, he tried to use the expression, "The cure is worse than the disease."

   Unfortunately, he blurted out, "The medicine is worse than the cure." It took a couple of days before he admitted he had got it wrong.

   And then there was his ridiculous first interview with John Campbell..

   Bon Voyage, Simon
   • solkta 7.1

     4 May 2022 at 8:34 pm

     Fuck did you never listen to Niel Young? The line is a famous quote.

     https://youtu.be/i6RZY4Ar3fw
     • AB 7.1.1

       5 May 2022 at 9:04 am

       Not all of us are old enough to remember popular music that belonged identifiably to the tradition of English lyric poetry – and was therefore of some interest.
8. Anker 8

   4 May 2022 at 9:59 pm

   https://www.teaomaori.news/questions-over-louisa-walls-pacific-role

   The Pacific didn’t ask for an LBGTQ ambassador.
9. newsense 9

   5 May 2022 at 2:22 am

   Bryce Edwards needs [deleted] so he gets perspective on his ‘petty’ comments about Trevor Mallard. Oh, not the good protestors! Oh what rogues.

   [you cannot wish or suggest harm on people here, especially not public figures involved in fraught political debates. And please link so others know what you are referring to – weka]
   • weka 9.1

     5 May 2022 at 8:45 am

     Mod note for you
     • newsense 9.1.1

       5 May 2022 at 11:53 am

       Sorry for it appearing that way. Definitely not the case.
       I don’t wish to link to any of his ‘democracy’ if it involves supporting, however indirectly, a violent protest. The attack on the system, on the speaker of the house is very poor. And if we were in many other countries if a mob camped in parliament and behaved as they did…

       I would suggest that Mr Edwards should put himself in the shoes of those who were considered fair game, not whatever he considers petty. Or whatever the talking point is he is spouting.
       • weka 9.1.1.1

         5 May 2022 at 12:37 pm

         that's a good way of putting it, thanks.

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