Guest Post – Industrial Democracy for Air New Zealand?

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1. dv 1

   9 June 2020 at 4:15 pm

   I wonder if the new CEO? from his role in the great public service walmart brought his do it my way attitudes to NZ
2. Ad 2

   9 June 2020 at 4:58 pm

   This government has not negotiated even one fair pay agreement, so there's zero chance of anything more substantial between companies and workers.

   They just prefer to throw almost completely untargeted subsidies out the helicopter window. Then get angry about it.
3. gsays 3

   9 June 2020 at 5:44 pm

   Thanks Annie, good read.

   New words, to me, to describe a way of doing things that resonates.

   "co-determination was the recognition of the firm as a “social institution” in which owners, executives and employees collaborate to achieve common goals."

   We are so much more effective when we co-operate.

   This is even more important given CC.
4. Phil 4

   10 June 2020 at 11:32 am

   This post is weird.

   Annie acknowledges that the majority-stake owner of Air New Zealand right now is the Government, but then spends most of the post talking about the company being beholden to corporate shareholders like they're a shadowy cabal of bankers and hedge fund managers.

   It cannot be that governance is controlled by a CEO (and his henchmen, the managers and board members) accountable only to themselves and their shareholders

   I'm bemused by the general point Annie makes here and how it might apply to Air NZ. The Chair of the Board is Dame Therese Walsh. She sure as shit ain't no Bebop or Rocksteady bumbling around at the behest of a CEO.
   • indiana 4.1

     10 June 2020 at 12:43 pm

     "The government has, in the act of investing taxpayer’s dollars, steered the firm, Air NZ, toward being a social institution, and they have recognised aviation as something of a public good."

     This was where I got lost. In my view the Government has not done anything to "steer" Air NZ – they do not have the legal right to appoint the board. A wise Government will use it's legislative powers to support the Aviation Industry under its control irrespective of the industry players ownership model.

     Facts are planes are not operating and Air NZ is not a cash rich entity that can continue to pay employees for not working. I haven't seen any new of unions waving their membership fees to support workers with their reduced incomes.
     • Phil 4.1.1

       10 June 2020 at 4:28 pm

       In my view the Government has not done anything to "steer" Air NZ – they do not have the legal right to appoint the board.

       Come again?

       Air NZ is majority-owned by the Crown so the relevant Minister (Finance? Transport?) will most definitely have an active role in appointing directors to the board.
       • indiana 4.1.1.1

         10 June 2020 at 6:04 pm

         If that is the case, were you happy when John Key was appointed?
         • Phil 4.1.1.1.1

           10 June 2020 at 9:56 pm

           I don't really give a shit what John Key is, or is not, appointed to. It also has absolutely zero relevance to me questioning your wrong statement that the Government "do not have the legal right to appoint to the board [of Air New Zealand]"
5. Tiger Mountain 5

   10 June 2020 at 1:14 pm

   Annie is beating about the bush here, given that the Govt. has stalled on Fair Pay Agreements. The way forward is in stark relief, but, a Labour caucus full of managerialists subject to 30 plus years of institutional neo liberal hegemony will not go there.

   AirNZ in the limited form it might operate in future as a domestic and Pacific carrier should be nationalised. The social dividend in terms of affordable provincial travel, was never forthcoming from AirNZ. More Covid capitalism it seems.

   And…the restoration of power generation and supply to full public ownership would be a good idea too!
6. OnceWasTim 6

   10 June 2020 at 1:48 pm

   Just nationalise the bloody thing and maybe pass some of the aircraft on to the Air Force who are longing to replace those broken down 757s. They're an embarrassment. They could even second some of the staff in the meantime till we get through all this – if we ever do
7. David Mac 7

   10 June 2020 at 6:25 pm

   When times are good they're a cash cow but so many bad moons rising. The fall of the World Trade Centre brought them to their knees, now a pandemic. Those threats aside, they live or die on fuel prices.

   The world's most successful Wall St player got stung holding Airlines. It's a rare day that Warren Buffet has egg on his face.

   I agree with him who used to be Tim. It's a crucial bit of infrastructure, down here in our corner of the Sth Pacific, we need it. Stage a friendly majority share-holder take-over and nationalise it. Then, when times are good all NZers will benefit and when the ever present poo hits the fan we'll be in a better position to cope.

   This shareholders rolling in clover when times are good and taxpayers picking up the tab in bad times sucks.
   • OnceWasTim 7.1

     11 June 2020 at 8:49 am

     "Stage a friendly majority share-holder take-over and nationalise it."

     Yep, that would be the kind way of doing it.

     I haven't worked out yet whether Ron is 'repositioning' or 'pivoting' while Winnie and Shane are trading horses, however it might be a good way of keeping Ron on a LAV's running boards. Ron obviously has concers and a good understanding of Defence capability plus he's a fanatical recycler
8. David Mac 8

   10 June 2020 at 6:55 pm

   AirNZ is probably a good buy. Protection Warren Buffet could only dream of. In the good times, milk the growth, in bad times, just hold, the govt will come running in with a billion.
9. David Mac 9

   10 June 2020 at 7:26 pm

   Sell TV One while it's still at the worth a few bob altitude in it's death spiral and buy out Air NZ shareholders.

   Remember when the Yellow Pages were worth half a billion in NZ? TV One…tick tick tick….
   • OnceWasTim 9.1

     11 June 2020 at 10:01 am

     Don't give them ideas @ David Mac. We've been here before (Avalon, Broadcasting House Wellington, NFU etc,)

     The assets and property are worth something especially when RNZ are being starved. As is what preoccupies (some self-appointed) media 'gurus'' minds: The Brand.

     Then there's the growing number (a plurality) of audio/visual content producers who'd be grateful of some better facilities.
10. David Mac 10

    10 June 2020 at 7:54 pm

    I'm sliding so far off topic, sorry, last post.

    Interactive advertising could save Free to Air TV as we know it.

    eg: I see a McDonalds ad, I click, my Uber Eats account opens up. A few clicks and that burger and fries is on it's way to me. Bunnings ad for a Ladder sale? I click and the range and pricing appear on my screen. Holiday in Bali ad, a click prompts a 15 minute insight.

    Advertisers would love that.

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