Tolley Drops

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1. King Kong 1

   12 December 2011 at 1:53 pm

   If anyone should of been punished it was Nick Smith for just generally being a twat.
   • pollywog 1.1

     12 December 2011 at 2:00 pm

     …and Brownlee for being a fat [Deleted… some words still over the limit. RL]
     • pollywog 1.1.1

       12 December 2011 at 2:14 pm

       PFFFFFTTTT !!!!

       what do you think a twat is ?

       [This blog is read by many, many people, plenty of whom would object specifically to that word. Besides you know where arguing with the mods ends up… don’t go there. RL]
       • insider 1.1.1.1

         12 December 2011 at 2:24 pm

         Depends on how you pronounce it – twat or twot
         • pollywog 1.1.1.1.1

           12 December 2011 at 2:51 pm

           [Deleted… take a week off pg. Arguing with moderation is just stupid. Really I thought you knew better. RL]
           • pollywog 1.1.1.1.1.1

             12 December 2011 at 3:11 pm

             [deleted]

             [lprent: 2 weeks of time for you to play with yourself over xmas. Clearly you can’t play here for a while. ]
           • Bored 1.1.1.1.1.2

             12 December 2011 at 3:23 pm

             Jeez Polly…. I know Shonkeys crew piss you off…no point taking the red hot salted kumara treatment for their sake. See you in a week.

             [lprent: Two now. I saw his comment ins response to RL. ]
2. js 2

   12 December 2011 at 2:00 pm

   With the four other hanger ons there are 28 cabinet ministers which seems a huge cabinet for a small government government. So much for leading by example.
3. insider 3

   12 December 2011 at 2:02 pm

   Finlayson might be a bit miffed about Parata going over him.
   • fender 3.1

     12 December 2011 at 2:17 pm

     Keys attempt to show hes a multi-racial guy, promote a plastic Maori to front bench.
     • insider 3.1.1

       12 December 2011 at 2:22 pm

       In what way is she plastic?
       • fender 3.1.1.1

         12 December 2011 at 2:42 pm

         Fake….probably made in an asian sweat shop
         • insider 3.1.1.1.1

           12 December 2011 at 2:55 pm

           So who or what is a ‘real Maori’
           • marty mars 3.1.1.1.1.1

             12 December 2011 at 5:04 pm

             nice bit of old school straight left then right hook combination there insider – classic
           • fender 3.1.1.1.1.2

             12 December 2011 at 5:39 pm

             One that hasn’t been programed by the bug infected National mistake.

             One that fronts for interviews when the tough questions need answering.
             • marty mars …

               13 December 2011 at 10:28 am

               fender fail. But don’t worry it is an unanswerable question framed as it is 🙂
   • Tiger Mountain 3.2

     12 December 2011 at 3:20 pm

     “Finlayson might be a bit miffed about Parata going over him”

     I just had a flash of a scene both of them would probably rather not happen.
     Hekia does present as what they call in the acting trade a ‘scenery chewer’ however.
     • marsman 3.2.1

       12 December 2011 at 4:27 pm

       Piranha Parata?
4. tc 4

   12 December 2011 at 2:04 pm

   let’s wade ankle deep across the Nat talent pool….hardly a stellar team.

   Just watch out for the uber bullies as they’ve mostly been elevated where they’ll be itching to flex all that power by punishing those that dare to question, disagree ot heavin forbid undermine them.

   Note the sinister sneaky one drops a place to accomodate the 2 biggest bullies crusher n Joyceee.
   • Bored 4.1

     12 December 2011 at 3:39 pm

     Ankle deep in their stellar talent pool…..its more like a dried up oasis in the middle of a desert. A decided lack of cerebral matter, collectively it is frighteningly low.

     You are onto it about the bully boy inclusions: that suits the ultimate bully boy: the “Smiling Assassin” himself. Others to do his dark deeds.

     The election was interesting for those who have closely observed psychopathy at work, some of Keys responses under pressure showed him to be very similar to some corporate psychopaths I have worked alongside. There are a surprising number of them out there, functional, power mad and charming in the extreme when in need of something. Whilst they might never kill you should they ever feel the urge, look out.
5. robertguyton 5

   12 December 2011 at 2:11 pm

   js – “hangers on”
   Put me in mind of dags.
6. Tigger 6

   12 December 2011 at 2:20 pm

   I love this ‘boost for women’ line they’ve got going. Collins still only highest woman at #5…

   And Key keeps Tourism? Who’d he have to sleep with to keep that job, he’s been terrible at it.
   • haydenarrrrgh 6.1

     12 December 2011 at 2:57 pm

     Someone should tell him it means Tourism in New Zealand.
   • McFlock 6.2

     12 December 2011 at 9:48 pm

     He’s looking for Leno…
7. fender 7

   12 December 2011 at 2:22 pm

   All we need now is for one of the disgruntled to get upset and Keys “strong” govt will crumble.
8. dv 8

   12 December 2011 at 2:26 pm

   Foss- Commerce belongs Craig Foss, meaning he will have responsibility for the Financial Markets Authority (FMA). Foss, a former currency and bond trader

   Fox in charge of hen house?
   • Ari 8.1

     13 December 2011 at 12:30 am

     Sure, but any Nat that WOULDN’T be a fox in the henhouse for that role would never be allowed into cabinet.
9. Anthony 9

   12 December 2011 at 2:28 pm

   Oh to have seen the Police Commissioner’s reaction when he heard Tolley was his minister.
   • seeker 9.1

     12 December 2011 at 2:45 pm

     Oh yes. Probably looked so punch drunk he would have had to be breathalysed.
   • deuto 9.2

     12 December 2011 at 3:02 pm

     I also have no doubt that the jaws of many Corrections people (on both sides of the wire!) will have dropped in disbelief at her appointment to Minister for Corrections.

     If Tolley was ‘worried’ about one in five children not being able to read, write etc properly, what tack is she going to take with the well over 50% of prisoners who are essentially illiterate. National Standards for prisoners?

     I am also in disbelief that Tolley has also been named as Deputy Leader of the House! Lockwood Smith has been named as Leader again. I pretty sure that the rules of the House require a vote of all MPs on both positions, and it will be interesting to see if there is any opposition to Tolley as Deputy.
     • insider 9.2.1

       12 December 2011 at 3:07 pm

       Think you are confused. Brownlee was LotH. He runs the govt’s legislative programme and schedules. The opposition has a counter position – Mallard in the last parliament.
       • deuto 9.2.1.1

         12 December 2011 at 3:35 pm

         Thanks for that – my bad. I was confusing Speaker/Deputy speaker and Leader/Deputy Leader positions and should know better! Reading things too fast in between trying to get the lawns cut. Will need to correct another comment I made on Open Mike also.

         Still in disbelief re Tolley’s Police and Corrections Ministerial positions, though.
         • Ari 9.2.1.1.1

           13 December 2011 at 12:33 am

           I’m still in disbelief that Anne Tolley is still a minister. If they want to showcase their female talent, they should drop her entirely and promote a backbencher.
10. seeker 10

    12 December 2011 at 2:55 pm

    I hope they fortify the ‘front bench’ now that the huge, dense, mass of brownlee,bennett and joyce will be sitting on it. Dense being the operative word.
    Perhaps the social collective denseness of these intellectual lightweights all sitting at the same time, could portend the collapse of said front bench. Oh please……
    • deuto 10.1

      12 December 2011 at 3:05 pm

      I just saw that in my imagination – LOL.

      Unfortunately those “benches” are made of very very solid old wood and it would probably take a herd of elephants sitting on them for them to collapse.
    • Ari 10.2

      13 December 2011 at 12:35 am

      Calling politicians fat is really lacking in imagination and frankly, offensive to people who’ve gained a bit of weight. There’s enough wrong with Brownlee, Bennett, and Joyce’s performance without ever needing to bring their appearance or build into the equation.
11. Irascible 11

    12 December 2011 at 3:21 pm

    Who is this Hekia person??? What profile has she had since arriving in Parliament?? The last time I was in PN there were people sitting begging outside her office door. Does she know anything about education…. with Banks & Joyce aiding her can we be assured that the interests of our children will be served positively?
    • haydenarrrrgh 11.1

      12 December 2011 at 3:29 pm

      Does she know anything about education….

      I would have thought that it was obvious that knowing anything about education is not a requirement for Minster of Education in this government.
    • joe90 11.2

      12 December 2011 at 5:55 pm

      Who is this Hekia person???

      Another ‘blue blood’ trougher.
      • Hami Shearlie 11.2.1

        12 December 2011 at 10:45 pm

        Hekia is John Key’s little Maori(sort of) Handmaiden- Remember in the Mana by-election she was shown on tv walking round malls and shops with John Key and gushed to the people of nz , “John Key’s a Rock Star”- She and Maggie Barry will be a good pair – gushing little cheerleaders for Team John Key!!
        • rosy 11.2.1.1

          12 December 2011 at 11:05 pm

          Hekia Parata might be a gushing cheerleader but she speaks well in soundbites; and is, I think, a very clever politician (that’s not a compliment, btw) unlike Tolley who was little more than a dogged fool. I’m not underestimating her political ability.
          • Ari 11.2.1.1.1

            13 December 2011 at 12:37 am

            Yeah, I wouldn’t underestimate her. She’s certainly fine throwing her lot in with her oppressors, but she’s wicked smart and capable, too, and it was clearly not a matter of being deluded into it, she really does believe in the National Party.
12. haydenarrrrgh 12

    12 December 2011 at 3:30 pm

    I’m personally a little concerned that some of Anne Tolley’s recent promises to not cut funding for parent-led ECE services might now be null and void, as she’s no longer Minister.
13. gingercrush 13

    12 December 2011 at 3:31 pm

    Excited to see Amy Adams, Nathan Guy and Craig Foss come into cabinet. Also good to see more of the 2005 MPs make it into ministerial roles. Bit disappointed for Simon Bridges, Louise Upston and Sam Paseta Lotu-Inga. I haven’t noted who National will have whips yet (I hear Michael Woodhouse name being bandied around).

    2014 is going to be interesting regardless of whether they’re in government or not. For a lot of the talent as such is dependent on List MPs (Groser, Joyce, Parata, Bennett, Woodhouse) or in electorates that are at risk when the tide turns (Whanganui MP whose name escapes me, Craig Foss, Nathan Guy, Tolley, Upston, Goodhew etc etc.)

    The list next time for National is sure going to be interesting.
14. gingercrush 14

    12 December 2011 at 3:35 pm

    I also find it rather condescending that this post came from a guy who did terrible in the 2011 election and was for some reason or another considered of such low quality he was way down the Labour list. Also electorate losers (if they are such a word and incredibly outdated under MMP elections) didn’t fare too badly in Labour in 2005, 2008 and likely not 2011 either.
    • lprent 14.1

      12 December 2011 at 3:51 pm

      Ummm, even with your rather theoretical approach, you’d have to say that he had rather a hard problem doing well in North Shore this election.

      North Shore is such a hard nut that it is really hard to get much movement even in the best of times for Labour. I’ve helped with trying to get movement there in past elections in (?) 2005. Combined with getting a ‘name’ and a strong party trend away from Labour, I’m surprised that the Labour vote there didn’t collapse.

      It was Ben’s first attempt on the list. I was surprised that he got up as high as he did with no constituency to push for him and little prior preparation like local body or the like. 

      On the other hand Waitakere was Paula’s electorate to keep if she’d wanted to. It is hard to get rid of good electorate MP’s when the tide of voting is favorable to them. It is even harder to get rid of high profile ministers. Looking at those facts appears to have been the only thing that Paula did for this election – and she paid the price of not looking closely enough at the work required to make those advantages work for her.

      Perhaps you should play with some numbers with historical trends in electorate seats compared to party votes and stop being such a condescending idiot.
    • Ben Clark 14.2

      12 December 2011 at 4:17 pm

      So because I failed to win a seat that has been safe National since 1949 – against the national tide – I can no longer comment on politics?

      On the other hand a high-profile minister losing her seat – with her party’s vote increasing – cannot be criticised?

      C’mon.
      • Hami Shearlie 14.2.1

        12 December 2011 at 10:54 pm

        You stood for Parliament, so you have a right to comment as much as you like Ben C – I voted for you! Frankly, people who know the Shore well, know that a dead mule could be elected as a National MP here! Some of our MPs’ have been awful, most in fact! This is probably the safest National seat! At least with MMP our party vote counts!
    • Bunji 14.3

      12 December 2011 at 4:26 pm

      There’s a bit of a difference on how people are perceived to have done depending on national results. If your party’s percentage drops, yours is somewhat expected to as well. If you’re in a marginal and you lose it when there’s a big swing against your party, then there’s not the same loss of face as when your party’s vote increases, and your vote drops enough that you lose your seat.

      Particularly if you’re a high-profile minister.
15. prism 15

    12 December 2011 at 5:08 pm

    Hekia Parata is more suited to be Education Minister because she is more ‘ passionate’ about it.
    • seeker 15.1

      12 December 2011 at 11:19 pm

      Parata is ‘educated’ too.
16. red blooded 16

    12 December 2011 at 6:53 pm

    Tolley was a terrible Minister of Eduction. Anyone who thought the best way to introduce herself to the PPTA National Executive was to read them a children’s picture book about Riley the Rat (who was happier than all of the other selfish, greedy individuals who surrounded him because he made do with the little that he had and never complained that it wasn’t enough – even to the point of dying early but with a smile on his face) showed extraordinary lack of subtlety and tact. She knew nothing about education and somehow insisted that anyone who did was guilty of ‘provider capture’ and working in their own self interest instead of the interests of the students that they served. having said that, this has been the mantra of successive National governments, regardless of who’s wearing the hat of Minister. And anyone charged with bringing in the awful extremes of charter schools is going to be fronting some dreadful policy.
    • logie97 16.1

      12 December 2011 at 8:29 pm

      Ah the parallels with Professor Delorus Umbridge in The order of the Phoenix and the former Minister of Education. Neither had a clue, both are bullies and both were removed. Oh joy…
    • Hami Shearlie 16.2

      12 December 2011 at 10:57 pm

      Which National MP was Riley the Rat based on?
17. Skeptic to the max 17

    12 December 2011 at 8:15 pm

     
    “Hekia Parata is more suited to be Education Minister because she is more ‘ passionate’ about it.”

    If ‘passionate’ means wheeler dealer, or making a buck out of State purse then it would seem that was her expertise.
    “Gardiner and Parata Ltd was contracted to recommend the best options for providing “ongoing high quality Maori advice” to then chief executive Christine Rankin and senior managers at Work and Income in 1999, at a cost of $207,500.
    National MP Murray McCully criticised the spending of $240,000 by the Ministry of Economic Development for training courses on the Treaty of Waitangi run by the company (Gardiner and Parata Ltd) in 2003. “ Parata joined the National Party in 2001.Ran in 2002. Doesn’t that sound a little Wong?
    Parata was investigated by the State Services Commissioner  for alleged improper use of public funds in the purchase of two vehicles for Wira Gardiner. Parata’s name was on the purchase orders issued by the Ministry, although it became known later that the cars were paid by and for Mr Gardiner at the time of purchase. The investigation cleared both Gardiner and Parata of any illegal activity, and the cars were returned to the Ministry for re-sale at a Government auction.??? How or why did Parata buy private cars through a Government department as Te Puni Kokiri’s  Chief Executive?
    Jobs for the mates… Whilst hubbie failed in his bid for a seat on the Board of Directors of the National Party he is rewarded under Joyce in 2010 becoming State TEC Board Chair. There’s no 6 degrees of separation here between the Education minister  and TEC is there?
    So making schools into a further ‘market’ place adventure seems to reflect lots of opportunities for Parata’s business experience; backed also by the sale of SOE ($1 billion to fund improved learning) so that private entrepreneurs can get their bite of the pie in charter schools. Not sure if Parata is up to the $1 billion plus of bills for falling apart school buildings though…suppose she could ask Brownlee from his teaching woodwork and crafts days in education…
     
    [lprent: I haven’t checked everything on this comment, but the few facts I was able to check look correct. The implied linkages look like they are within the range of the law for politicians. I’m letting it through with a few qualms. ]
    • Skeptic to the max 17.1

      12 December 2011 at 9:39 pm

      Education has finally reached a critical point of becoming a ‘for profit’ business as has other so called ‘social care’ sectors like health ?
      I’d probably find the early comments by Fender as defamation “promote a plastic Maori to front bench….; Fake….probably made in an asian sweat shop” . If critical today of John Key’s statement re ‘snap elections’ going uninvestigated then Fender needs a firm wrap on the knuckles. Parata’s whakapapa is distinguished and scholastic achievements notable so not sure where the ‘plastic’ is validated from in Fender’s view.
18. Richard 18

    12 December 2011 at 9:07 pm

    I predicted Tolley would get the boot after the election after playing the ogre for National Standards. Key will hope Nat Standards controversy will disappear with her. Just like Bolger when he amputated Ruth Richardson after the nasty work had been done.
    I am disgusted that education was absent form the election campaign. Well tough shit NZ – for our apathy we now have John Banks writing our education policy.
19. Treetop 19

    12 December 2011 at 9:28 pm

    I want to know if Tolly is going to introduce the equivalent of National Standards into the Police?
20. newsense 20

    12 December 2011 at 10:17 pm

    Wait wait she’s crushed a car! That means 3 years of Crusher nicknames and the bs tough on crime political marketing is all justified by this magnificient success! Well done Judith Collins.

    If you were in charge of fishing for a family- well one catch in 3 years means we’d have starved.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10772824

    “You’re basically wasting your time trying to explain to young hoons that they’re likely to harm themselves or others: the part of the male brain that links cause and effect doesn’t fully develop until the early twenties. That’s why young males often do silly things without thinking of the consequences.

    “If the Government continues to crush a lot of boy racer cars, the boy racers will simply buy a cheap second car, one they can afford to lose when the police seize it.”

    Mr Matthew-Wilson said the legislation was mainly there to make politicians look tough on crime and he doubted it would make the slightest bit of difference to the average boy racer.
    • millsy 20.1

      12 December 2011 at 10:48 pm

      Can someone please tell me what the difference is between crushing a car and simply confiscating it and on selling it for costs?

      Far better to impose longer disqualification periods.
      • fender 20.1.1

        12 December 2011 at 11:02 pm

        When you crush it the crusher National spitefull sickos get a major kick like a substance abuser. Bet they pull the wings off flies too.
        Better to sell the car than crush it surely. Another example of idiot minds in the wrong job, let alone the wasteful destruction.
21. millsy 21

    12 December 2011 at 11:02 pm

    I feel sorry for the men and women in our forces. What they did to have a smarmy smug git like Coleman as their minister I will never know.

    I would love to see him try and blow cigar smoke in LCpl W. Apiata, VC’s face….
22. logie97 22

    12 December 2011 at 11:07 pm

    Further explanation please.

    Tolley/Key – “All children in NZ will be measured against the National Standards. It is the only way of eliminating the 20 pcnt tail”. National policy 2009-2011.

    Banks/Key “We will trial charter schools in some low decile areas. The children at these schools will not be measured against the National Standards and the schools will be free to teach virtually whatever curriculum they desire” Nact policy 2011-2014

    So the National Standards were or were not going to lift the tail?

    Seems the only tail being raised here is the one on the animal that wishes to defecate on the rest of us and we know that Key/Tolley were full of it …
23. Matt 23

    12 December 2011 at 11:10 pm

    [deleted] Tsk Tsk Tsk.

    [lprent: I am irritated today. You have never written a comment of any value. They are just troll statements. Attacking a author just put you permanently in my bad books. Go away. Don’t come back. ]
    • seeker 23.1

      12 December 2011 at 11:25 pm

      +1 lprent and thanks for that decision as I appreciate Ben’s posts and did not appreciate that ignorant attack.
      • lprent 23.1.1

        13 December 2011 at 12:11 am

        Looked at his few previous comments and couldn’t see any redeeming features. Tagged him as a idiot troll in the 2008 style arisen from the dead. He attacked an author which is a policy self-martyrdom offense. Filed him in the trash. Pretty normal except I have had to do it a *lot* less over the years because even most trolls are capable of learning.
24. fender 24

    12 December 2011 at 11:15 pm

    Think it’s a game of hide the tail, and skew the resulting figures that will show a rise in performance and the public will love us more for our great work/con job.
25. David H Formally Deadly_NZ 25

    13 December 2011 at 12:16 am

    Well would you credit it ??? Anne Tolley was so bad that even John Key noticed. Well he did promote Bennett.
26. Roy 26

    13 December 2011 at 9:36 am

    Is it my imagination or is it a longstanding NZ tradition to give Minister of Police to a blithering idiot? I always assumed it was done to keep the politician out of trouble because the police are more than capable of looking after themselves.

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