Another looters’ bonus

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1. Tom Gould 1

   26 July 2012 at 7:14 am

   Yesterday Blinglish launched a new Kiwi Bond offering 2.75% yet these fools want to sell an asset making 18% instead. What a bunch of fiscally illiterate morons. No wonder the economy is tanking with these idiots in charge.
   • Draco T Bastard 1.1

     26 July 2012 at 11:42 am

     They’re not idiots. It’s obvious to us and so it’s obvious to them thus they must be doing it for other reasons.
     • aerobubble 1.1.1

       26 July 2012 at 1:09 pm

       Its worse. They believe in rational economic actors, yet can’t appreciate that taxpayers who
       currently own the assets won’t as consumers switch to fully owned energy companies since
       this is the ‘rational’ thing for them to do. If you get tax relief because government is harvesting profits from a fully owned company, you have a rational reason to use them and not Mighty River.

       Also its been pointed out, its wiser to pay down your mortgage then stump up cash to buy
       the shares. so whose buying them on credit??? How does that help the private debt problem in
       NZ?

       What I don’t get is how Key doesn’t understand the cost savings from Mondayisation.
       If each sixth year you have two more working days because holidays aren’t mondayized,
       then that makes year on year profitability alter. A service company makes less because
       there are two few long weekends, and offices pay more for hours worked, etc, etc.
       Keeping the number of long weekends year on year is actually a cost saving to businesses.

       Key is either hideously stupid or has had to but a stinky mess of policy decisions that should erk the hell out of him intellectually.
     • Georgecom 1.1.2

       26 July 2012 at 9:13 pm

       Draco, they are idiots. Neo-liberal ideological idiots, but idiots nonetheless.
       • Draco T Bastard 1.1.2.1

         27 July 2012 at 12:40 am

         That’s true of a lot of the NACT supporters but not all of them and certainly not the ones at the top. By holding on to the belief that they’re all just idiots then you justify their actions as honest mistakes removing the possibility that they’re actually doing these things with a purpose and that they’re using neo-liberalism as a cover.
         • Georgecom 1.1.2.1.1

           27 July 2012 at 10:41 pm

           Let me clarify. Selling a solid state enterprise that is paying a good return for very likely a lowish price is idiocy. Anyone thinking the idea is good is actually an idiot. Anyone who publicly tries to convice voters that the idea is good is acting like an idiot. Idiot idea acted on by idiots acting idiotically.

           It doesn’t mean that the idiots are acting without purpose however. Neo-liberal purpose in many instances.

           The neo-liberal project has a definite set of purposes.

           Unquestionably following neo-liberal policy prescriptions does however show idiocy.

           So, neo-liberal idiots slavishly implementing a project that reached its use by date in 2008.
           • Draco T Bastard 1.1.2.1.1.1

             27 July 2012 at 10:51 pm

             But some few rich people will benefit. As that is the purpose (benefiting rich people) and that is what the people at the top are achieving it can’t be said that they’re idiots.

             The purpose that they’re working for is corrupt.
             • Colonial Viper …

               27 July 2012 at 10:53 pm

               If we make the very few richest people at the top even richer, that money will trickle down to the rest of us.

               And other assorted lies.
             • Georgecom …

               27 July 2012 at 11:29 pm

               Agreed that the asset sales and the ideology behind it is to benefit the few over the many. It helps trickle wealth upward into the pockets of those who have, from those who have not.

               You and I both agree that from a rational standpoint the sale doesn’t make sense. It is lunacy, ie, idiotic.

               Those who believe neo-liberalism actually delivers for the many, that wealth trickles down, are myopic. If they buy into the economic alchemy they are deluded and fail to see the lessons of 2008. They are idiots in that respect.

               Those who see the intent of the neo-liberal project as it actually is, are societal pocket liners. Number 1 is most important, ‘I’m alright jack’. Neo-liberalism serves their pocket lining just fine. Asset sales serves their purpose well, lining the pockets of the few.

               That doesn’t however negate the point that those who champion asset sales, due either to ignorance or a pocket lining intent, are championing a ludicrous action. From our perspective, a clear view that neo-liberalism has failed to meet its obligations, what they are advocating is idiocy, follows a nonsensical line of reasoning, and they are idiots for advocating it. Idiot may not denote a simpleton, but in this case I think it clearly denotes someone pursuing an idiotic action.
2. Dv 2

   26 July 2012 at 7:32 am

   Are they written question, so there is time to find out the answers?
   So how come he was surprised?
   • Kotahi Tāne Huna 2.1

     26 July 2012 at 7:40 am

     It was a supplementary question.
3. vto 3

   26 July 2012 at 8:22 am

   But he said yesterday there was no money to pay for the extended parental leave bill…….

   someone is clearly telling pretty fucking large porkies here
   • Majella 3.1

     26 July 2012 at 1:29 pm

     Porkies? Not really…it’s just that their true priorities are on display. Time & again. they will give you the pollie smooth-talk, but their actions tell the story.
4. tc 4

   26 July 2012 at 8:23 am

   Shonkey knows exactly what’s going on IMO. Plausible deniability works best when you keep running the ‘nothing to do with me,ask Bill etc ‘ lines and have a role (PM) that which makes that believable.

   I don’t buy for one minute that a merchant banker doesn’t know the cost of the deal and as such the impact on their bonus for brokering it.
   • aj 4.1

     26 July 2012 at 10:57 am

     Hey, give the guy a break.
     He’s the sort of guy who doesn’t know if he’s for or against Monday-ising holidays (TV News early this week)
5. Tom 5

   26 July 2012 at 8:33 am

   Memo to John Key ..

   http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/jul/24/magna-carta-minor-carta-noam-chomsky
6. Johnm 6

   26 July 2012 at 8:41 am

   OOPs! The Muppets are trying it on again! Little do they know I’m a well paid Goldman Sachs Muppet myself! 50 mil dinero is heading their way now,the financial elite society is triumphs again.
   • Johnm 6.1

     26 July 2012 at 8:56 am

     The Nats are effective: I’ve complained so much against these assets sales and it hasn’t moved then an inch I’ve gone blue in the face. Or in other words they won’t listen to reason and me and you can just drop dead or go blue as a dead member like themselves.
7. Carol 7

   26 July 2012 at 9:00 am

   Sorry. Wrong thread. Deleted.
8. Ed 8

   26 July 2012 at 10:04 am

   Would that $56 million guarantee that those receiving fees to be part of the direct selling syndicate would not also charge brokerage to purchasers? – in a “free market” surely it would be normal for any such syndicate members to charge both sides for “costs” of a transaction if they can.

   By not allowing Kiwisaver investors to benefit from the bonus shares there is clearly discrimination against a group of investors that Tony Ryall accepts are everyday New Zealanders – why can their investments not benefit from the bonus shares?

   http://www.parliament.nz/en-NZ/PB/Business/QOA/7/8/d/50HansQ_20120724_00000003-3-State-owned-Assets-Sales-Loyalty-Bonus.htm
   “The Government has made it clear that this is a programme that seeks to engage support from everyday New Zealanders, and, of course, those who are able to participate will. That is why we have got the low entry-level minimum figure of $1,000. Many everyday New Zealanders are saving in KiwiSaver, and certainly in the superannuation fund, and they will get the opportunity to participate in these floats. “
9. tracey 9

   26 July 2012 at 11:30 am

   Its lie on lie. Here is English from august 2011 clearly stating the government was considering a loyalty scheme. By government i assume he was including the pm. So the pm to say he has no idea what it might cost is either lying or english lied last year when he said they were considering it.

   http://m.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=10745181
10. captain hook 10

    26 July 2012 at 12:56 pm

    that is not an either or question.
    they lie all the time.
    they are compulsive liars.
    by the time we find the truth about one lie they have told 20 more.
11. Majella 11

    26 July 2012 at 1:26 pm

    A pretty little girl named Suzy was standing on the pavement in front of her home.
    Next to her was a basket containing a number of tiny creatures; in her hand was a sign announcing FREE KITTENS..

    Suddenly a line of big cars pulled up beside her.
    Out of the lead car stepped a grinning man.

    “Hi there little girl, I’m John Key, the leader of the National Party, what do you have in the basket?” he asked.

    “Kittens,” little Suzy said.

    “How old are they?” asked Key

    Suzy replied, “They’re so young, their eyes aren’t even open yet.”

    “And what kind of kittens are they?”

    “National supporters,” answered Suzy with a smile.

    Key was delighted. As soon as he returned to his car, he called his PR chief and told him about the little girl and the kittens.

    Recognizing the perfect photo op, the two of them agreed that he should return the next day; and in front of the assembled media, have the girl talk about her discerning kittens.

    So the next day, Suzy was again standing on the pavement with her basket of “FREE KITTENS,” when another motorcade pulled up, this time followed by vans from BBC, ABC, CNN, Sky News, TVNZ, TV3, and News-Talk ZB.

    Cameras and audio equipment were quickly set up, then Key got out of his limo and walked over to little Suzy.

    “Hello, again,” he said, “I’d love it if you would tell all my friends out there what kind of kittens you’re giving away.”

    “Yes Sir,” Suzy said. “They’re NZ First, Labour and Green supporters.”

    Taken by surprise, Key stammered, “But…but…yesterday, you told me they were NATIONAL SUPPORTERS.”

    Little Suzy smiled and said, “I know.

    But today, they have their eyes open.”
    • marsman 11.1

      26 July 2012 at 1:59 pm

      Majella. Good one!
      • Majella 11.1.1

        26 July 2012 at 2:05 pm

        Not an original….
12. mike e 12

    26 July 2012 at 2:14 pm

    I didn’t no mumbling was an official language in NZ!
    But Block of wood smith lets Shonkey away with it every time.
    The Gouging by Goldman Sachs NZ’s Con man Key continues !

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