Australia ends 10-year Kyoto exile

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1. Matthew Pilott 1

   6 December 2007 at 3:00 pm

   Now the planet just needs Hillary Clinton to sign.
2. Gruela 2

   6 December 2007 at 3:15 pm

   Too little, too late. While we’re bickering on these threads, it might pay to stop every now and then to imagine what our grandkids will be saying about ALL of us on their own blogs in about 50 years.
3. Lampie 3

   6 December 2007 at 3:33 pm

   “you bastard Grandad, you voted in John Key”
4. Matthew Pilott 4

   6 December 2007 at 3:36 pm

   Gruela, that reminds me of a drunken discussion I once had, where we debated what our grandchildren would scorn us for.

   We look back at rascism, slavery, suffrence & rights issues and wonder how people could be so backward. Our conclusion would be that it was participating in a society of rampant consumerism and gross hedonistic excess, thoroughly disregarding the environment.

   Especially since is them that will suffer. Still, there is hope. If there is a functioning society in 50 years we’ll be doing ok.
5. Lampie 5

   6 December 2007 at 3:49 pm

   a society of rampant consumerism and gross hedonistic excess

   I think this might be rapidly changing as green issues are becoming more apparant and the consumer becoming more “educated and caring” and therefore needs have changed leading towards a “seen to be green” approach towards providing products and services. I feel there is more than hope, I feel that we are indeed changing our attitudes and changing our needs and business will follow (or they die).
6. r0b 6

   6 December 2007 at 4:05 pm

   I was trying to stay out of it today, but these comments are too close to home. I think our descendants will call us “the wasters”.
7. Dean 7

   6 December 2007 at 5:34 pm

   Watch out guys, the sky is falling.

   Personally I’m blaming the generation of the 70s for not doing something about global cooling and the ice age that was clearly heading their way. You remember that one, guys? The planet killer that the greens were ranting on about?

   Those bastards.
8. Santi 8

   6 December 2007 at 6:56 pm

   Gruela stop being childish. You cannot have the faintest idea of what people will be saying in 10 years time, let alone 50 years.

   Every generation faces different problems and comes up with options and solutions. It’s called human ingenuity and leads to progress, despite the best efforts of scaremongers and luddites.
9. Matthew Pilott 9

   7 December 2007 at 11:33 am

   Yeah Santi you’re right, humanity comes up with some great final solutions, we are an altruistic species and always do what is best for our communities, never acting in self interest.
10. PhilBest 10

    7 December 2007 at 12:20 pm

    How do the rates of CO2 emmissions increases compare for NZ, signatory of the Kyoto Protocol (genufluct, genufluct), and the evil non-signatory USA of the evil Bushitler?

    Watch this space. Watch capitalism win hands down – again.
11. PhilBest 11

    7 December 2007 at 12:22 pm

    And hey, where’s the “concrete ideas” from Helen, Mikhail and Co?

    The best concrete idea of all: Nuclear. Now I wonder why that’s off John Key’s list of options?
12. Tane 12

    7 December 2007 at 12:35 pm

    And hey, where’s the “concrete ideas” from Helen, Mikhail and Co?

    Phil, there’s a little thing called the emissions trading scheme. It’s a pretty substantial piece of policy and it’s all set to go. It should have come sooner, and I’d like it to be stronger, but it’s a bloody good step in the right direction and has wide public support.

    All National has is some vague ‘ambition’ of 50 by 2050 with no real concrete steps to get there. Oh, that and some marketing talk about being a ‘fast follower’.

    As I understand it nuclear power isn’t economically viable for a country of NZ’s size and location, even if the NZ people agreed it was a good idea, which we don’t.

    Another tip: the Kyoto protocol isn’t about destroying capitalism, it’s about making it more sustainable. Cut the conspiracy theories bro.

    (Captcha: Henry touchdown)
13. Matthew Pilott 13

    7 December 2007 at 1:34 pm

    Capitalism actually sucks!

    http://www.thestandard.org.nz/?p=779

    Sort of been over this, capitalism on its own would do sweet f.a…

    Only when there’s a profit to be had…
14. PhilBest 14

    7 December 2007 at 4:33 pm

    Notice no-one here likes to confront the reality about our rates of emissions increases versus those of the US.

    Emissions trading scheme, hmmmmmmmm. We shall see. No rorts or breakdowns in the system occurred yet where these have already been tried? No evidence of Industrial activity being driven to non-Kyoto developing nations with even worse emissions?
15. Santi 15

    8 December 2007 at 6:46 am

    “Capitalism actually sucks!” In your dreams comrade Pilott.
    In fact capitalism rules, you like it or not.

    If you have so strong dislike the capitalist system why are you living in the midst of it? Why don’t you go to the socialist paradise of Cuba and experience first hand the society you dream of?

    Of course, people of your ilk always prefer to preach and prescribe fancy theories, that when put in practice killed countless people, that is socialism and communism.

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