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Curia-ser and Curia-ser

Written By: - Date published: 9:01 pm, February 12th, 2008 - 61 comments
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You’ll probably know about the rumour around the traps that blogger David Farrar is running his polling company Curia out of National Party HQ. This information first came up when Newzblog blogger James Sleep posted on a conversation he had with a young Nat in which the lad in question told him that he worked on the phones for Curia and that they did so out of the party’s Wellington HQ and that in fact they are ‘the National Party’s market research company’.

Sleep contacted Davey on MSN to find out if this is true and has now been locked out of Kiwiblog. In fact the situation is slightly stranger. He can log-on but every comment he makes just disappears. At first I suspected this was a technical glitch but after Sleep gave his log-on to a mutual friend of ours to test it, it does indeed seem to be the case.

As far as I’m concerned DPF can run his business from wherever he likes and run his blog however he chooses and all kudos to him. But if he is getting his income from the National Party and is being resourced by them then he has a clear conflict of interest when he appears in the mainstream media as a political commentator.

Farrar doesn’t mention anything of this in his disclosure statement and I would suggest that if this rumour is untrue then he needs to clear this issue up as soon as possible.

Hattip: Out of Bed for the pun-tastic title.

61 comments on “Curia-ser and Curia-ser ”

  1. A little bit like you guys declaring whether or not you funded by Labour Party are being resourced by them then you have a clear conflict of interest.

    Interesting to note that my posts just seem to disappear from here as well.

    What a hollow pack of hypocrites you all are.

    [lprent: I’m not killing them. However if you’d like I’d be happy to oblige – however it would be on a permanent basis. Please give me a reason to do so.]

  2. Hey Whale – I thought you’d be too busy hiding under your bed from CyfsWatch to post your inane comments here. Seeing as your Davey’s best mate though perhaps you can clear up this funding thing?

  3. I don’t hide from anyone especially anonymous cowards who bash their missus and/or kids and wonder why they can’t see them.

  4. But Cameron, that’s not what I heard. I guess it’s fair enough you’re scared – you are getting stalked after all. Oh the irony…

    So you gonna tell us about Curia?

  5. Not what you heard huh! You must be linked to those loons huh! I always knew there was something wrong with you.

    I’m not scared of anyone.

  6. Oh nice of you to support their scurrilous, cowardly attacks….just what I’d expect from lefty coward like you.

  7. mike 7

    Chris Trotter is hauled out as a “politcal commentator” and I’m sure I saw him making a complete twat of himself on stage shuffling to the Labour anthem at their conference.

  8. Oh and just to stay on topic – I have a theory about this one. I suspect Curia is actually the outsourcing agent for the Nat’s polling division. I figure he organises the labour on a casual basis to use the Nat’s phone systems for call-out out of hours – then collates the data at home (I’d say the Nat’s research unit does the analysis). It’s probably a good wicket and would subsidise his national party blogging quite well in terms of time and income (in fact that’s probably why he’s got the job). Of course there could be an innocent explanation for it – it’s just I haven’t heard one yet…

  9. Whale – you seem a little rattled. I don’t support their attacks by the way and I think the threats to your kids were disgusting. I do think you’re reaping what you’ve sown though. It’s just a pity your family is too.

  10. Mike, and you’d be right.

    That’s him singing away about how we will be be “Bitter off with Labour”

    Oh and Robinsod, nice dodge, but how about denouncing the violent threats of the CYFSWatch nutters instead laughing and effectively condoning it huh??? huh???

  11. IrishBill 11

    ‘Sod, pull your head in.

    Mike, Davey has expressed his support for National many times. That doesn’t mean he can’t be a commentator. Getting paid by them (if it is true) is a different story altogether. I doubt Trotter was paid for his singing!

  12. AncientGeek 12

    I believe it is fairly easy to drag Chris Trotter out on stage anytime. He likes to sing. Provide a song and preferably a beer, then stand back unless you want to see a good view of some tonsils .

    Perhaps if the National or Act provided better music .

    Thought I’d get into the swing of things in this post.

  13. IrishBill 13

    Tis true AG, Trotter is a sucker for a beer and a song. It’s a fine tradition, to be sure.

  14. ‘Sod, pull your head in.

    I was being sincere, bro. (Gotta say it’s odd watching the kiwiblog right go each other though.)

  15. The Prophet 15

    ‘Rumours’ and ‘what I heard’

    Thats the standard of this post.


    ….Sod thinks its funny that some dick is threatening to make a false report to CYPS to get someone he doesn’t like on the internets.

    Nothing changes, does it?

    same old, same old

    Oh, but, you all got a new dog, how nice.

  16. Peak Oil Conspiracy 16

    Irish Bill:

    “He can log-on but every comment he makes just disappears.”

    I wouldn’t read too much into this. I’ve had two comments now disappear. One appeared quite a few hours later, and the other (which would hardly have been objectionable to DPF) has never appeared. I’ve noticed Phillip John/Roger Nome has (apparently) been having a similar problem.

    Instead of creating conspiracy theories, James Sleep should just email DPF (when he’s back from India) and invite him to comment.

    [lprent: You mean the comments made by d4j using roger nomes alias on here? The ones here get held in moderation until I kill them. d4j is permanently banned from this site for obnoxious trolling. They are readily identifiable as roger isn’t on the same IP range as the posted comments. d4j is.]
    [Ah – sorry POC. I’ve now read the post. I thought that you were referring to missing messages on here, not those on KiwiBlog.
    I see that d4j’s latest message caught in moderation has an e-mail address of whale@oil.co.nz. He is a pain.]

  17. "Mutual Friend" 17

    I was the one who tested Jame’s account and a half a dozen comments didn’t stick from two different machines/IP addresses, my account worked fine from both. This only happened after James mentioned the Curia issue.

    Just in case I’m wrong though Peak, have you had all or just some of your comments go?

  18. Aunty Helen 18

    “He can log-on but every comment he makes just disappears. At first I suspected this was a technical glitch but after Sleep gave his log-on to a mutual friend of ours to test it, it does indeed seem to be the case.”

    What’s new? The “democratic” Sleep applies the same policy in his “democratic” blog: he censures every one of my postings.

    How sad. The youngster can dish it out but cannot take it.

  19. Hey Prophet/3Bags/Legio X – considering you’ve claimed you want to watch other commenters have their throats cut you can fuck right off with your self-righteousness.

    Hey “Aunty Helen” – you started with abuse on Newzblog and just kept going. Take it from me mate, at Newzblog you’re banned for life (a bit like the prophet). Now why don’t you lot take your arses back to whale’s cesspit to roll in your own shit like you freaks are wont to do…

  20. While I have no insider knowledge at all, I would say that most people in the National Party would not want to have anything to do with Kiwiblog. The only MPs I have seen blogging there are from ACT. DPF is a very good commentator, but is hopeless at politics and when he does get political his commentary suffers.

  21. I would say that most people in the National Party would not want to have anything to do with Kiwiblog.

    Yeah Kent – y’d think so but Farrar has long ties with the Nats and is mates with Bill English. I’d say Farrar’s stocks in the party have dropped since the FSC fiasco. Actually now I think about it y’d think the Nats would’ve wanted nothing to do with the brethren either…

  22. Benodic 22

    Kent – I find that suggestion strange given National feeds Farrar his lines and puts the National Party Research Unit’s resources at his disposal…

  23. burt 23

    If find it laughable that a blog that was/is funded by the Labour party but won’t admit it are slagging off a blog that they claim is funded by the National party.

    You’re black – screeched the pot to the kettle!

    [lprent: we were not ‘funded’. Just used some resources that turned out to have been donated to the LP being used to host a number of left sites. That was freely admitted, and we moved the server after I became aware of the NZLP’s name on those resources. I would have preferred to have done it later rather than sooner.

    That was very good, burt – neatly skirted the edges]

  24. The Prophet 24

    um…Sod – WTF are you on about?

    More paranoia?

    Are you trying to provoke me?

    Bit of a Uncle Tom, aye mate?

    Do you really think its funny that someone is going to be dobbed into CYPS because someone disagrees with their opinions?

    Says more about you than me, but.

  25. burt 25


    How did the shift to linux go or are you still on a Windows server? Eitherway the response times have improved, well done. How much hardware is needed to run a blog like this? I’m just interested from a technical perspective.

    Linux with a hosted virtual server. Shell level access + web dashboard. Resources are nothing special, something like 256MB RAM + 8GB HDD. Costs $70 per month (about the same as my DVD hires), but is upgradeable reasonably cheaply. Could have done the same thing offshore for a lower price, but decided to stay here.

    Backup system running on win32 IIS on my development server, and there is a backup backup system on a old 800MHz linux box that I used to test LAMP.

    The only changeover hassle was the default charset and collation order differences in the MySql. Thats on my to-fix list.]

  26. burt 26


    On comparing DPF to the Exclusive Brethren from an association with National perspective.

    Actually now I think about it y’d think the Nats would’ve wanted nothing to do with the brethren either

    So I take it that you would support an amendment to the countries electoral finance laws to stop the likes of DPF from doing his repugnant deeds. Is DPF weird and dangerous or is he a chinless scarf wearer? What denigration should we paint him with so we can squash his evil dissent?

  27. Prophet – here’s the statement you made as Legio-X on my website:

    …like maybe inviting me and your Mum round for tea and then slitting your own throat in front of us or some such then I would love to come and watch. (I like Pasta)

    Just in case there is any doubt that you are Legio-x I invite the standard to cross-reference the two IP’s you’ve posted as him with on my site against their own records.

    You’re scum, mate.

    [Tane: I’ve deleted the rest of your post. As offensive as The Prophet can be we don’t approve of revealing IP addresses. If you want to have this debate go and do it on your own blog. Continue like this and I’ll ban you for a week]

  28. Burt – if you mean finance laws to stop a “third-party” running acampaign covertly on behalf of a political party then yes I do. In fact I think we’ve already got such laws…

    Tane – Prophet/3bags/LX is banned from my blog for life. The guy’s a creep.

  29. burt 29


    So is DPF a “third-party”? Is the standard a “third-party”? Are you? Am I?

  30. Benodic and Robinsod,

    I have no evidence that links between DPF and the Nats is anything more than circumstantial or anecdotal. He has more links with ACT. Because he was a former employee of the Nats does not mean that he is still in their food bowl nor does it mean that he is any good at politics. How successful were the Nats during Farrar’s employ?

    As one of you has pointed out being involved with the Free Speech Coalition (FSC) immediately puts DPF out of connect with the Nats because it is a political third party. For the sake of internal integrity, members of any political party avoid affiliations with other political groups, regardless of the ideology of the Nats vs the FSC.

    DPF has a problem in that his role as ‘commentator’/’journalist’ conflicts with his political opiniations. There is also the problem of lack of conviction evidenced in his lacklustre role as spokesperson for the anti-EFB march in Welly -again where he was joined by an ACT MP. (A Nat MP only turned up to give the Nat perspective, not as a protest member).

    I think that some of you guys need to revise your view of DPF’s connections with the Nats. If you were wanting to be the next Govt. would you affiliate yourself with someone like DPF? If one or two Nats, such as Bill English are still friendly and loyal towards DPF, does that somehow make Kiwiblog an official mouthpiece for the Nats? In terms of mouthpieces, 10 secs of Key on TV News is far more effective than a whole year of Kiwiblog.

  31. The Double Standard 31

    A remarkably lame counter-smear attempt after the standard was rather publically associated with Teh Party. I don’t think we will see this one on the TV News Bill, sorry.

    Really, I think you guys do better when writing your own material than simply making up DPF rumours. You just devalue your brand further (if that’s possible).

    As for poor sleepy, he’s probably on auto-moderation or some such, as you are happy to do when it suits (e.g. 2 or more external links is it?), so I hardly see that as a big deal. Even Mickey is banning folks from his blog I see, so the high moral ground is getting pretty low now.

    Yes – Bill English certainly helped our sites visibility. Traffic just keeps rising, especially the lurkers. I’d thank him myself, but I suspect that you could do it more easily. We aren’t into marketing, branding, or anything except our posters and commenters opinions. You sound like you have a copy of the EFA sitting next to you?

    Auto-moderation used to be 2, I increased it a while ago to a fairly high value as it was not required with the number of moderators keeping an eye on the site.

    There are currently two people targeted for moderation. d4j is on a permanent ban and quite unhappy about it. And Kimble has been just placed in moderation.

  32. 10 secs of Key on TV News is far more effective than a whole year of Kiwiblog.

    I’d disagree with that as I constantly see KiwiBlog lines turning up in the MSM – I also see them turn up in National Party media releases (often after they’ve been on the bog). I don’t think the Nat’s are using Davey to create their line because they’d be mad to do so given his lack of skill at it. That means either these situations are huge coincidences or Dave’s getting briefed on Nat lines and running with them or testing their lines for them. Or it’s all just a coincidence. I’m sure DPF could tell us.

    Burt – here’s a hint. Third parties are defined in the act. The FSC has registered as one (although if it’s founder is funded by National it might need to be counted in their spend) perhaps you should try reading. You can read can’t you Burt?

  33. I’d disagree with that as I constantly see KiwiBlog lines turning up in the MSM

    I think in terms of the Nats getting their message across, Kiwiblog would register at about 0.0. That there is some similarity between some of the things said on the site and Nat policy is due to overlap of interest. The actual value of the discussion and the people making the discussions on Kiwiblog is not high. This is demonstrated by the lack of advertisers willing to put their money there, despite all DPF’s supposed high flung connections.

    DPF could have for himself a high value media site with advertising, multiple bloggers, multiple purposes, but he has chosen to keep it a small time personal opinion soapbox. That’s his choice. Any idea that the Nats are behind it is conspiracy theory.

    captcha: localized Rev (erend) = parochial, I believe

  34. insider 34


    Maybe he gets his talking points by reading the National media releases and and speeches, and tends to agree with them. They are public information after all.

  35. The Double Standard 35

    Lprent – I’m disappointed that you are buying into Porton’s rather tedious claim that I’m associated with the Nats in some way.

    I’m not.

    Honestly, it’s not rocket science to see what the likely position from The Nats or Teh party is on any particular issue.

    I am having trouble separating your role (supposedly sysop) from that of the bloggers here “we aren’t into…”

    You do seem to provide de-facto editorial comment which is rather odd. I don’t think I’ve seen another blog where the technical staff feel the need to spam their opinions all over the comments.

    [lprent: welcome to a new experience]

  36. r0b 36

    Burt: Is DPF weird and dangerous or is he a chinless scarf wearer? What denigration should we paint him with so we can squash his evil dissent?

    I don’t know Burt, what would you suggest? You labelled Helen Clark a “lying bitch”, so you’re pretty good at this sort of thing…

  37. James Kearney 37

    That there is some similarity between some of the things said on the site and Nat policy is due to overlap of interest.

    They use exactly the same focus group tested words and messages. You don’t seem to have a lot of knowledge about how spin works Kent. Farrar isn’t a lone operator- he’s plugged directly into National’s spin machine and the chances are he’s paid to blog full-time as well. Just look at the volume of posts he churns out.

  38. The Double Standard 38

    Yeah James, he’s obviously working for National full time while touring the Taj Mahal. Pillock.

    Still, why not keep up you witch hunt. I’m sure Teh Party will get lots of votes from it. After all, Hodgson is doing such a great job of stalking John Key right? And Helen is all ready to denouce searching through trash cans.

  39. Just look at the volume of posts he churns out.

    I think that’s got more to do with ego than anything else…

  40. burt 40


    I don’t know Burt, what would you suggest? You labelled Helen Clark a “lying bitch’, so you’re pretty good at this sort of thing

    I might have done that, have you a link to show where you get your reference to where I’ve used “lying bitch’?

  41. Burt – quit while you’re behind…

  42. ak 42

    burt: “show (me)…where I’ve used “lying bitch’?”

    I distinctly remember it burt, and in fact commented on it as it seemed so out of character. I’m pleased to say that I haven’t seen anything similar from you since (but must confess I don’t read all your comments – masochism for seniors is overrated in my opinion), but surely you must realise that consorting with these maggots-on-acid doesn’t exactly enhance your image? Gambol in a sewer and you’re bound to reek after a while.
    Well done on the improved grammar and spelling though burt – now try reading wider!

  43. The Prophet 43

    Rest of the link, to put Sod’s little outburst into perspective.

    Note the rewritten comment at 1.34pm.Jan 31st

    Note the offer to kill himself at 12.10am Feb 1st

    Who am I to stand in the way of progress.

    Kimble on moderation. Ohh ahhh.

  44. The Double Standard 44

    ak – You do realise that anyone can put ‘burt’ as their name here right? It is only common courtesy that prevents this, and unfortunately such courtesy is sadly lacking in a few of the commentariat here. So, if you see something that looks wildly out of character, it might be someone faking.

    [lprent: I’ve started keeping an eye out for that. Will probably put some php in place to counter that type of identity theft. It would be easy to fix using a required registration policy.]

  45. James Kearney 45

    Prophet- So now you’re admitting you are Legio-X after all? Why did it take you this long, and why the denials? Your dishonesty knows no limits.

  46. I don’t know why you’re bothering Prophet. It’s not like you’ve got any kind of a reputation left to defend. I’m pleased to see you have some sense of shame though – it might even grow into a fully fledged humanity if you’re lucky…

  47. r0b 47

    I might have done that, have you a link to show where you get your reference to where I’ve used “lying bitch’?

    Billboard shambles

  48. Matthew Pilott 48

    Hate to say it but the random bold looks like Burt, back in the day (TG that phase is over, he’s much better now, although the random linking has become the new fad…)…

    TDS – I don’t know anyone who has fake posted short of D4J. It’s also pretty stupid – not sure if you have thought of this yourself, right, but if someone did that, it would be pretty easy to mention that it wasn’t you. Especially if the comment was clearly out of character.

    Not that hard, is it boss?

  49. The Double Standard 49

    A shame you missed some of those Friday afternoon free-for-alls Matthew. Just goes to show you don’t know everything eh?

    Who’s to know who’s the original and who’s the copy?

    (except the omnipotent lprent of course)

    Another k3wl trick is to start posting using someone else’s nic on other blogs.

  50. burt 50

    Yes that was me. I also notice it’s not showing up in the search? Perhaps lprent still has some MySql magic to weave on the search tables.

    Anyway, speaking of the EFA, did you notice that the don’t vote Labour site is back, legal now because it’s a blog. Amazing freedoms for some things.

    However the best I could do for denigrating DPF would be call him a Telly Tubby, not sure which one works best – any suggestions?

    This might give you some ideas.

    [lprent: the search in wordpress is a bit pathetic, it isn’t even that good in the admin (no regular expressions for a starter).
    It is on my list of things to have a look at – a plugin would be ideal. There are sites that allow external searches on blog sites. I have one bookmarked at home – will lookup if you don’t get a rush of links.
    Plus of course – there is google site search. For instance search for ‘movie’, put this into google (without quotes).
    “site:thestandard.org.nz movie”]

  51. The Double Standard 51

    I know Mickey will be stunned by this virtuoso display:

    http://www.google.co.nz/search?hl=en&q=burt “lying bitch” site:.thestandard.org.nz

  52. r0b 52

    lprent, TDS, you’re giving away all my L337 H4X0R 5K11Z!

    Seriously though, proper search functionality would be nice.

    Burt – at least you own up to your words. But mind who you accuse of labelling things.

  53. Um, no sorry TDS that’s like a google search where you don’t need any expert knowledge to refine by site. I guess you’ve gone home now eh? Do you clock this as OT or is it something you feel you have to do to save face in the unit?

  54. lprent 54

    was that what the search was for?
    The % hex chars in the url will get swallowed by the html – but that is the same thing.
    site:thestandard.org.nz burt “lying bitch”
    in the google seach. The quotes displayed are the standard double quote, regardless what wordpress/mysql does to them at display level.

    rOb – one of these days… For some reason I’ve been a bit busy recently. Anyway off home to have a look at a smtp server

  55. r0b 55

    For some reason I’ve been a bit busy recently.

    Can’t think why! Many thanks for your work here at The Standard.

  56. pete 56

    If DPF is using kiwiblog to market-research his client’s talking points, that would make it a commercial blog.

    Perhaps someone could ask the electoral commission for a ruling? Worse case they say it’s non-commercial, and DPF can’t play the matyr card anymore.

  57. lprent 57

    pete: It is unlikely to be a commercial site. It would be a stretch.

    Reminds me, I know of at least 2 complaints about this site to the electoral commission. One was patently bogus, but the other one raised the issue about multi-poster blogs. That was unclear in the act.

    Multi-poster blogs probably consist of the majority of blog sites by number of people reading them. Here for instance we have at least 10 times as many lurkers than commenters, and it is probably a lot higher than when I last looked as we get more posters on the site.

    To date I haven’t heard anything, either from the electoral commission or the police. I’m the only visible name, so they’d have to come thhrough me.

  58. Peak Oil Conspiracy 58

    “Mutual Friend”:

    I was the one who tested Jame’s account and a half a dozen comments didn’t stick from two different machines/IP addresses, my account worked fine from both. This only happened after James mentioned the Curia issue.

    Just in case I’m wrong though Peak, have you had all or just some of your comments go?

    Ok, it’s the end of a busy day, and I’ve only just got back to this thread.

    I can confirm that I’ve posted a reasonable number of comments in the last week, and of those only two have been problematic. One, as I say, appeared a couple of hours later. And the other has never appeared.

    This was the delayed comment:

    This is where my other comment should be:

    And, as I observed, Phillip John/Roger Nome was also apparently having trouble:

    As others may care to confirm, DPF has absolutely no reason to moderate or delete my comments. I can understand why you’re suspicious about the results, but I really do think Kiwiblog has been having technical problems.

  59. lprent 59

    ….but I really do think Kiwiblog has been having technical problems.

    It would not surprise me. The traffic on this site has been pretty intense over the last week or so, I’d guess that the same applies at KB, and KBB.

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