Daily review 01/07/2021

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1. Sacha 1

   1 July 2021 at 5:42 pm

   Questions of our age.. https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/01-07-2021/is-judith-collins-a-karen/

   But as Judith Collins found out this week, being called a Karen does not a victim make. With new hate speech laws currently being proposed by the government, Collins raised the question on every middle-aged white woman’s lips: “Will calling a middle-aged white woman a ‘Karen’ now be a crime under Jacinda Ardern’s law?”

   …

   Collins fits many of the stereotypical descriptors of a Karen. The name itself reached peak popularity as a name for newborns between 1957 and 1965. Collins was born in 1959. Karens are typically white. Collins is white, despite knowing a few Sāmoan words. But most importantly, a Karen is someone who has privilege and power and who uses them to respond to perceived wrongs at a level that is disproportionate to the thing itself.

   There are many valid concerns to be raised regarding the proposed hate speech laws, which were a response to 51 Muslims being murdered in a terrorist attack. Seeing the words “hate speech” and thinking “Karen” is a hallmark of Karen culture.
   • Populuxe1 1.1

     1 July 2021 at 5:50 pm

     Except that the law changes don't just affect Muslims and we still have no idea what the parameters are.
     • McFlock 1.1.1

       1 July 2021 at 6:10 pm

       I'm not sure anyone should know the parameters of the law changes are before the submission period that will affect those parameters ends.

       link has an outline of the proposed changes, the reasoning behind them, and how to make a submission that will then go into the mix that might or might not generate specific legislation that will then go through the formal legislative process.

       At the moment they're like "we think it's a good idea to build and extension to the gouse. What are your thoughts on what we might need in it?" There's no wiring plan yet, nor should there be.
       • Populuxe1 1.1.1.1

         1 July 2021 at 6:45 pm

         The problem is that unless we know what they mean by xyz in context, we can't really form a reasonable opinion of xyz in order to respond in the first place. For instance I know what I think "insulting communication" means but what do they think it means?

         Welcome to the wonderful world of semiotics.
         • McFlock 1.1.1.1.1

           1 July 2021 at 8:01 pm

           From the same wee box as "insulting communication":

           The exact wording of this provision will be determined following consultation

           "Insult" is a commonly-used word, though, and not explicitly defined by legislation as far as I can see.

           Not sure the absence of an explicit legal definition has been an impediment to the court process, though, nor did it stop the various bills that used it from progressing into legislation, or even stopped people from making submissions on those bills.
     • Sacha 1.1.2

       1 July 2021 at 6:22 pm

       Just ruling out Karens will make some sleep easier.
     • Treetop 1.1.3

       1 July 2021 at 7:08 pm

       Gee I am going to be screwed if you can't criticise the police. What happened at Lake Alice with the police not managing complaints by the child and adolescent complainants has me spitting tacks.

       I actually feel that there needs to be a separate inquiry into how the police managed every complaint.

       Another inquiry I would like to see take place is workers who worked at the police, army, airforce or navy barracks. I speak from experience working at a police barracks in the mid 1970s where the barracks Sgt (name known) did not keep the kitchen staff safe. Barracks Sgts accommodation was connected to live in accommodation of young female kitchen staff. I was age 16. I need to establish if my area was restricted. I do recall that mostly probation cops could not take woman to their room.

       The Bazley inquiry was for incidents from 1979.
   • Pat 1.2

     1 July 2021 at 7:34 pm

     https://worldrelieffortworth.org/burma-myanmar-karen-cultural-profile#:~:text=The%20Karen%20are%20an%20ethnic,as%20many%20as%2020%20years.

     • The Karen are an ethnic group from Burma (Myanmar), many of whom fled Burma due to religious and ethnic persecution by the government.
     • 140,000 refugees from Burma, mostly Karen, are living in refugee camps in Thailand, some for as many as 20 years
   • Molly 1.3

     1 July 2021 at 8:08 pm

     Really hate this use of a womans name as a pejorative.

     Schoolyard level discussion.
     • I Feel Love 1.3.1

       1 July 2021 at 8:11 pm

       Then ignore.
       • greywarshark 1.3.1.1

         1 July 2021 at 9:15 pm

         I feel that we should take that four-letter work out of the lexicon = no h..e, perhaps –

         'loathe, detest, abhor, abominate, despise, execrate, and (my favourite) disrelish'. (That's what you say when you throw tomatoes followed by peeled onions). The pollies and others would get the point. And that combination fits the 'natural' trend, unlike 'mace' which is so 'chemical warfare' style.

         Now Pat, was that lightish and amusing, slightly funny, not funny, witless, or …?
     • weka 1.3.2

       1 July 2021 at 8:38 pm

       yep. There's also a normalising of sexism/misogyny going on. It's ok to hate on white women perceived as privileged.
       • Populuxe1 1.3.2.1

         1 July 2021 at 8:45 pm

         Because no one has ever been called a Dick, Wally, Herbert, Chad, or Nigel before.
         • weka 1.3.2.1.1

           1 July 2021 at 10:50 pm

           None of those names have been elevated to internet meme status, and they don't carry the same class issues as the Karen meme, which is used with glee by some men who can now put down women and not be told off (not talking about men here today, but what I see on twitter etc).
     • Sacha 1.3.3

       1 July 2021 at 9:48 pm

       quite

       https://twitter.com/JackyNinjakitty/status/1409798022741905414
2. Patricia Bremner 2

   1 July 2021 at 5:48 pm

   +1
3. Incognito 3

   1 July 2021 at 8:55 pm

   David Seymour wants to be invited to the wedding as best man even before the couple are engaged and have made wedding plans. He wants to the Godfather and have naming rights before the child is even a twinkle in their father’s eye. David Seymour suffers from premature politicisation.
4. greywarshark 4

   1 July 2021 at 9:58 pm

   At six stories you need a lift wide enough for furniture as well as stairs. I hope the planners realise this. Just three stories is a lot to climb, with your groceries, baby, new tech etc.

   https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/445974/six-storey-apartment-blocks-for-auckland-in-government-push-for-urban-intensification
5. McFlock 5

   1 July 2021 at 10:21 pm

   Seems to be a fair appraisal of Rumsfeld:

   What made Donald Rumsfeld so unique was his utter assurance that all he believed was exactly right when all he believed was exactly wrong. At the gates of hell right now, with a lifetime of damage assessed, he's smugly explaining unknown knowns to the imp working the intake desk.

   https://twitter.com/AoDespair/status/1410542778115887113

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