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So it was Labour's focus groups that spooked the PM. Check out the excellent choice of photos that display the organic relationship of Labour to its supporters: https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2023/07/13/dr-bryce-edwards-political-roundup-labour-keeps-the-status-quo-on-tax-but-has-it-shot-itself-in-the-foot/
This overview effectively shows how the PM's support for vested interests is likely to play out in the public arena: making a slice of undecided voters sure that Labour is part of the problem, not part of the solution.
First of all Bryce Edwards is a fraudster in the political sense. He cherry picks his links to create a scenario which is always negative towards Labour. It doesn't take rocket science to read what's going on. He's pleasing his paymasters. I stopped reading him years ago,
Second, focus polling is par for the course for most political parties. I don't know how often Labour does it, but you can bet your bottom dollar National are doing it almost on a daily basis. They can afford it. Hence the obsessive fixation on law'n order. The same goes for ACT who can also afford it.
Yet when Labour does the odd focus grouping, it is considered to be something to belittle. Talk about an uneven playing field.
If that is true – who are Labour's focus groups and what connection, if anything, do they have to the membership of the Labour Party, or voters of the Labour Party.
Has Labour made the decision to allow its policies to be vetted/vetoed by centrist voter focus groups?
And how centrist is a group that opposes a wealth tax impacting even less than the Greens wealth tax, because Labour's excluded the family home and bumped up the exemption from 2 to $5M per person and from 4 to $10M for couples?
I’m guessing the company running these focus groups somehow just happens to manages to include a few clever people who easily manipulate the rest to imagine a threat to all property owners from tax changes. This is how cults brainwash/herd new members.
"I’m guessing".
Yep.
Interesting point tho. To be fair to Labour, they may have done a sort of due diligence design of such groups to make them representative of the electorate. Well, that would require 1000 members to be statistically valid, but a convenient simulation thereof.
The representative nature of them is irrelevant to the ability of motivated (and well versed in the nuances of the debate on the topic) people to manipulate others.
Oh, very true. However, I doubt the capacity of neolib zealots to function effectively as commissars – as likely as not to screw things up inadvertently as get their intended result I suspect. Murphy's law. I've never seen much persuasive evidence of Labour's political organising ability. But you could be right…
"I've never seen much persuasive evidence of Labour's political organising ability. "
2020 election result. Labour party 1,443,546 votes 50%.
This is not 'guessing', not reckons, but hard data.
As of tomorrow, the election period begins.
Time to take cognisance of that fact. Get involved, get working, put some time, money and effort into the fight.
The outcome does matter……..
100% Mac1
Come now.
2020 was a fluke. That was not a mass grassroots organizational movement as most of the election was under COVID protocols.
Labour is not a mass membership party (they'd release their membership numbers if they were) and they are not an effective political machine in campaigns.
Labours best people run campaign, in my lifetime was in 2017, and they came second in that one.
2020 was a strange election it can't be counted, canvassing, doorknocking and getting out the vote was extremely hampered by COVID rules and quite frankly, Labour probably rues the day it got a full majority and couldn't blame problems on a coalition partner.
Corey, so it just happened? An absolute majority down to, what, luck?
Labour reacted best to the covid pandemic and put up candidates and policies that resonated with the voters, showed up with far better leaders and a three year track record of good, fair and inclusive leadership.
Now the opposition sees that and uses the tactics of social division, lies and greed.
The National leader came recently to our town. Only party members came to his public meeting.
This election will be down to how we react, how we get out and work for victory.
It is not a time for grizzling, grumping and false guessing.
Grouching in this forum is not going to change the world. Indeed, rather by deeds, by effort, by getting out there.
This week we open our electorate head quarters, in a prime location that will be seen by thousands of locals and travellers alike. In the past week we have had three MPs visit, and our new and quite superb young candidate is out and about. Hoarding are arriving, the pace is quickening.
In 1999, I counted the number of empty shops in our provincial town. After nine long years of National, there were over thirty empty premises. Now, they are being snapped up. Unemployment here is very low, the building trades fully employed and many apprentices being trained.
I had a tradie visit yesterday to talk bathroom renovations. He can do the work near Christmas, he is that busy.
It's not all doom and gloom. The purveyors of that message are playing into the hands of National and the Right.
They don't want a large turnout. They don't want young voters registering. That old rightist ploy of "Don't vote, it only encourages them" is rearing its ugly and antisocial head again.
Take heed, take courage, take action!
Thanks Mac1. All valid points
You clearly have no idea what you’re talking about, again. The validity of a statistical doesn’t rely on the number of samples/observations. And what does a ‘convenient simulation of 1,000 members’ mean? Have you ever conducted a poll/survey other than a Doodle poll? I bet you have not, and it shows.
A sketch of Matariki & historical context:
There's a backgrounder here: https://www.stuff.co.nz/pou-tiaki/300612585/matariki-101-what-is-it-why-does-it-matter
The astronomical basis of that calendar is outlined here:
Readers unfamiliar with heliacal as tech term ought to follow the link to its page to discover how it originated the calendar in ancient Egypt…
Best summary that outlines the context. Thanks.
Hey, I researched the origin of the zodiac back in the mid-'80s and discovered the common root with the calendar. The vernal equinox is the key. It is the origin of most of those paradigmatic social frames of reference. Hipparchos separated the constellations from the signs when he realised (from measurements) that the tropics & equinoxes were slowly shifting relative to the stars.
We inherited two different matrices in consequence, with relativity forming the relation between them. Media spats tween astrologers & scientists usually feature mutual incomprehension as a result.
Heliacal rising is separate but equally profound due to being experiential & collective. One gets this by rising early to see it pre-dawn. Heaven/earth synch is a prehistoric sharing between humans…
Looks like Jack & Xi thrashed out a deal. I thought Xi had tossed him into jail & thrown away the key when he disappeared.
Naughty Jack told the truth before he got taken out:
Now, he's been rehabilitated. Hope the time in Siberia was character-building.
Only $3 trillion? Just a cloud passing over the sun…
'systemic risk' is shorthand for the U.S losing it's free ride with the petro dollar and controlling the IMF,World Bank,Swift and never having to repay ..it's collossal debt.
Our generations nuclear free moment… what a fucking joke Labour are on climate change all talk but actions on the other hamd tell a different story.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/climate-news/132546099/government-admits-it-made-a-mistake-when-keeping-a-lid-on-the-carbon-price
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/maori-party-launches-at-matariki-says-prime-minister-and-labour-wont-call-the-shots-come-election-night/E3XDU3G2A5BVROOCFLRVEOW5IE/
and the negotiations begin
Nope, they’ll start, if at all, in just over three months. Stop trolling!
"A surging Te Pāti Māori is warning Prime Minister Chris Hipkins and Labour they won’t be calling the shots come election day in response to his ruling out a wealth and/or capital gains tax."
That is not, repeat not, negotiating! Rather, put kindly, it's positioning.
I have to confess to being a total Nicky Hager fan , got to hear him speaking at the Fabian Society in Wgtn
Here he is speaking about AUKUS, along with others elaborating the indigenous people's take .
Good to see Mike Smith too
The Indigenous challenge to AUKUS in AOTEAROA
Thank you Francesca.