Daily review 16/06/2022

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  1. Tony Veitch (not etc.) 1
    16 June 2022 at 6:02 pm

    OMG – it seems the two gangs at war have, with the help of the police and others, negotiated a truce!

    Mercenary Mitchell will be so disappointed – the police didn’t shoot anyone, didn’t set up roadblocks, didn’t arrest gang members by the cartload!

    A calm and sensible outcome which Coster and the police should (but won’t from the right whingers) get full credit.

  2. Jester 2
    16 June 2022 at 6:04 pm

    Andrew Little was saying the hospitals were coping fine. Who to believe? Him or the numerous doctors.

    A woman left ED because of long waits. Hours later she had a fatal brain haemorrhage | Stuff.co.nz

  3. Belladonna 3
    16 June 2022 at 6:25 pm

    Gosh, this attitude is not exactly likely to encourage donations of clothing to op shops.

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/charity-organisations-need-high-quality-clothing-not-rubbish/6PYPJSDMXL4RQGLXB655GKBAOI/?c_id=1&objectid=12531742&ref=rss

    Quality second-hand clothing is becoming too expensive for low-income families as op-shopping becomes more popular, says a marketing expert at the University of Otago

    Associate Professor Lisa McNeill, who specialises in innovation and new product development, says the quality of donated clothing at charity shops such as The Salvation Army and the Red Cross is often poor and not particularly functional for people who need it. However, the prices of clothing that last longer have increased, becoming more exclusive to high-end thrift store and is a "middle-class luxury".

    "Take an analogy of a family with three school-aged children; they need quality clothing like jerseys or shoes, but these products aren't necessarily available because we tend to donate clothing to charities that is of a low quality," she says.

    Not many families can afford to buy 'high-quality' children's clothes to start with (and, if they do donate them – they'll be priced out of the range that ordinary families can afford, by the op-shops – who price by label).

    Having done a lot of op shopping over the years – and especially when I had a small child and very little money – I can tell you that there is a very small amount of kids clothing donated at all – let alone worrying over how 'high quality' it is.

    Most families don't donate 'good quality' children's clothes to the op shop – they donate through social connections, instead. I have several friends/acquaintances where the oldest child is 3/4 years younger than mine, to whom I donate outgrown, but still highly-wearable kids clothes. And I suspect that most families do the same.

    Also, many poor families don't want woollen jumpers etc – they need special washing, or quickly become unwearable. Polar fleece is much more desirable (just bung it in with the rest of the wash).

    "She would like to see New Zealand consumers be considerate and conscious when donating items. She says consumers should be encouraged to buy New Zealand-made, sustainable and quality clothing if they are buying brand new and donate clothes to charity if they no longer have any use for them."

    It's a nice theory for an academic with a K$100+ salary to espouse. But not exactly realistic for an ordinary family.

    What there is an outrageous amount of is skimpy, poor quality size 8-12 women's low-end fashion clothes. The kind of thing that's fashionable one season, and dead as a doornail forever after. That's the kind of rubbish that gets donated to op shops – and should go straight in the ragbag.

    I actually find the tone of the whole article quite insulting. And much more likely to put people off donating at all. After all it’s actually easier to just toss it in the rubbish bin, than to go to the trouble of taking it to the op shop.

    • joe90 3.1
      16 June 2022 at 6:37 pm

      Like the shanks, shoulder, shin, ox tail, tongue and assorted offal I grew up on. It ain't poor people's food anymore.

      Mind, nor are the bones and flap I once fed the dog on. Now they're flogged as boil-up and lamb mini-roasts.

      • Poission 3.1.1
        16 June 2022 at 6:49 pm

        Now they're flogged as boil-up

        Dublin st butcher shop still going strong?

        • joe90 3.1.1.1
          16 June 2022 at 6:58 pm

          Yup. Still beating the Mad Butcher in the meaty pork bones war. Although a few years back they did have a wee legal problem involving small fishy things.

      • Belladonna 3.1.2
        16 June 2022 at 7:46 pm

        And — (setting aside mutton flaps) – shin, gravy beef, kidney, liver, etc. are all good healthy, high-flavour, low-fat, cuts of meat, which go a long way in a stew or casserole to feed a family of 6 (I speak from experience).

        Now all the poor can afford is the lowest grade of (high fat) mince (where you have no idea of actually what the butcher has put into it) – which is nothing like as healthy.

        • Populuxe1 3.1.2.1
          17 June 2022 at 4:08 pm

          You drain the fat. And given we have laws around food standards, what the butcher has put into it is meat.

    • Sacha 3.2
      16 June 2022 at 7:38 pm

      Most families don't donate 'good quality' children's clothes to the op shop – they donate through social connections, instead.

      Look, you should see the underground market in y-fronts

    • pat 3.3
      16 June 2022 at 7:40 pm

      The model is no longer what it was….I imagine people using them as rubbish disposal has played a part in the change.

      • Belladonna 3.3.1
        16 June 2022 at 7:52 pm

        So when do you think they changed?

        I've been op-shopping for over 40 years (family tradition) – and the only noticeable change has been the rise in the volume of poor-quality women's clothing (matching the high-street, low-cost, fashion which arrived here in the 80s).

        We never really had the high-fashion 'bargains' in NZ (you're not likely to have found Dior or Armani – even in the 70s) – it was all very middle of the road.

        I think the major shift to the model has been the change from the primary focus of the op shop being to provide cheap clothes to poor people, to the primary focus being to make money for the charity. Which drives the whole middle-class op shopping experience (and the trade-me sales).

        • pat 3.3.1.1
          16 June 2022 at 8:14 pm

          Ive never frequented Op Shops to any great degree but from what Ive heard the change started around the time TradeMe took off….people buying in Op shops to list for profit…and it gradually forced the model to change, the dumping I imagine although increased was no longer able to be supported by decreased profit…and there is likely running cost inflation.

          • Belladonna 3.3.1.1.1
            16 June 2022 at 9:17 pm

            We have a heck of a lot of op shops in our local shopping centre – certainly more than 6.
            Observationally, all of them have an issue with 'dumping' (as in stuff dumped outside, after hours – usually getting ruined in the rain).

            This tends not to be clothes – but more mattresses, furniture and household goods.

            I'm quite sure that a significant amount of the clothes that are donated (especially the fashion tat in smaller sizes), is effectively useless – and should just go straight into the ragbag.

            When we had clothing dump bins – in the shopping centre, they were well used. But they've gradually disappeared over time (get removed and not replaced). So I suspect that some people now 'donate' less than useful clothing, where previously they'd dump it in the bins. But, really, most will just put it out with the rubbish, into landfill. You have to actually make an effort to donate clothes; a much greater one than to just throw them away.

    • Robert Guyton 3.4
      16 June 2022 at 8:42 pm

      "Quality second-hand clothing "

      By whose measure?

      Is it clothing with …labels?

      Are you sure this claim makes … sense?

      • Belladonna 3.4.1
        16 June 2022 at 9:10 pm

        I don't know, Robert. The original author appears to believe that it's whatever is not currently in op shops.

        How do you define quality?

        And does it differ for kids and adults clothing?

        As far as 'labels' go – anything from a 'good' brand (which basically means expensive) is automatically diverted to the expensive racks – or even to a different store or online sale.

        • Robert Guyton 3.4.1.1
          16 June 2022 at 9:13 pm

          I never fail to find the clothes I need in oppity-shops.

          I have one "label" failing – I love Dickies pants!

          They are The Best. Not because they are labeled, but because They Are The Best 🙂
          My grandchildren are dressed in op-shop clothes, or those sewn by their (extraordinarily talented) seamstress parent and they look fabulous, always!

    • Ric 3.5
      16 June 2022 at 9:15 pm

      "That's the kind of rubbish that gets donated to op shops – and should go straight in the ragbag."

      No, most of it is made of nylon and makes useless rags which absorb nothing and catch fire if your not very careful.

    • Populuxe1 3.6
      17 June 2022 at 4:03 pm

      Also, many poor families don't want woollen jumpers etc – they need special washing, or quickly become unwearable. Polar fleece is much more desirable (just bung it in with the rest of the wash).

      Not sure what you're doing with your woollens, but they shouldn't need washing that often. If they get dirty you give them a hand wash in the skink and stick them out flat somewhere to dry. The wisdom of a mother who grew up rural before washing machines were invented (and no, it doesn't take that long either).

      • Belladonna 3.6.1
        17 June 2022 at 6:01 pm

        I know that, and you know that.
        However, anyone with young kids also knows that chocolate, sauce and other (less savoury) messes – frequently decorate the front of their clothes.
        Any clothing for small children (and some for not-so small ones) needs to be easily washable. Something requiring hand-washing is just another thing that a busy Mum (and it almost always is a Mum) needs to cope with.
        It's a heck of a lot easier to just put everything in the wash, than to have to pre-sort and wash separately. Especially if they haven’t grown up around wool clothing – and aren’t aware of the ‘treat differently’ message.

  4. joe90 4
    16 June 2022 at 6:47 pm

    Neal Katyal on the future criminal case against TFG.

    Critics of the hearings who say they are too detailed and dry miss the multiple intended audiences. When I argue before the United States Supreme Court, there are several audiences. One is the nine justices. Another audience is the public — both in the courtroom and listeners online. And there’s a third audience: history.

    Whatever the immediate outcome, history can render a different judgment. The same is true for this committee. Twenty million people watched the first hearing, but the other two audiences — the immediate decision makers and the eyes of history — potentially will have an even more profound impact on our democracy.

    https://archive.ph/UKNox (nyt)

  5. Anne 5
    16 June 2022 at 7:07 pm

    I have been saying for years that she is a woman of considerable substance but nah… not possible. She's Maori.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/128972790/mahuta-is-doing-a-good-job-but-this-is-why-she-wont-get-the-credit

    Never mind that the Three Waters reforms do no more than secure what the Treaty of Waitangi promises to iwi and hapū – a stake in the governance and management of resources. If the MP is Māori, something fishy must be happening.

    Note its "governance" not government. Of course her opponents would not know the difference.

    • Ad 5.1
      16 June 2022 at 8:10 pm

      Once the reforms are baked in her legacy will be assured.

      In fact even if National tosses out the structural separation in a future term, the Drinking Water Standards and its regulator, together with the water price regulator, are just going to smash whoever is polluting water and whoever is supplying water.

      That mean farmers, milk companies, and the regional councils.

      And there's nothing they can do about it.

    • Tony Veitch (not etc.) 5.2
      16 June 2022 at 8:47 pm

      Quite right Anne.

      Nanaia has 4 xs against her (in the eyes of right whingers [and fundamentalists] ) –

      x she's female

      x she's Maori

      x she wears a moko

      x she’s' Labour.

      • Blade 5.2.1
        16 June 2022 at 9:50 pm

        X- she's a sop to the MC.

        X- the job is beyond her.

        X – she does not present well in the eyes of many.

        X- she is a magnet for the anti Maori vote.

        X – the PERCEPTION of nepotism swirls around her.

        X- she should have been moved on during the reshuffle…but Jacinda was to scared in my OPINION.

        • Tony Veitch (not etc.) 5.2.1.1
          16 June 2022 at 10:07 pm

          lol.

          My xs are facts – yours are just opinions!

          I rest my case.

          • Blade 5.2.1.1.1
            16 June 2022 at 10:15 pm

            No, Tony, no…yours are opinions too. Any honest commentator will tell you that.

            • Tony Veitch (not etc.) 5.2.1.1.1.1
              16 June 2022 at 10:24 pm

              Opinion 1 – she's a woman.

              Opinion 2 – she's Maori.

              Opinion 3 – she wears a moko.

              Opinion 4 – she's Labour.

              Yes, I can see where you're coming from Blade.

              I think Robert rather nicely summed up your opinions yesterday.

              I too will exit stage left, whistling nonchantly.

              • Blade …
                16 June 2022 at 10:30 pm

                I guess my opinion rests on the word ''honest.'' I'm a goner!

                • In Vino …
                  16 June 2022 at 10:55 pm

                  Have the grace to admit when you are utterly wrong, Blade.

                  Festina lente. You rushed in without thinking.

                  • Blade …
                    16 June 2022 at 11:00 pm

                    I'm not wrong for fuggs sake:

                    ''Nanaia has 4 xs against her (in the eyes of right whingers [and fundamentalists] ) ''

                    That's an opinion. Fullstop.

                  • Anne …
                    16 June 2022 at 11:02 pm

                    Don't wait up for a answer In Vino. Leave it til the morn.

                    He's got to find out what "Festina lente" means first so he will have to learn how to do Google. Could take some time. 😉

                    • Blade …
                      16 June 2022 at 11:19 pm

                      Why would I want to find out what ''Festina lente" means. It's not necessary.

                      ''I have been saying for years that she is a woman of considerable substance but nah… not possible. She's Maori.''sadfrownlaugh

                      Ye shall know them by their fruits….not by their race!

                    • In Vino …
                      17 June 2022 at 12:16 am

                      For Heaven's sake, Blade – Tony's 4 points were all facts, and you called them opinions. Go back and check it for yourself. 5.2.1.1.1.1

                  • Blade …
                    16 June 2022 at 11:23 pm

                    No, changing a word to not look like a fool ain't gonna cut it. He doesn't see where I'm coming from. He's not interested.

                    • In Vino …
                      17 June 2022 at 12:21 am

                      "By their deeds shall ye know them" Good biblical quote.

                      Where did you get fruits from, Blade?

              • RedLogix …
                16 June 2022 at 11:17 pm

                Your four points may well be facts – but they are only relevant because people have opinions about them. Rightly or wrongly.

                • In Vino …
                  17 June 2022 at 12:25 am

                  Oh, so we should all restrict ourselves to facts that somebody like you considers to be relevant?

                  • RedLogix …
                    17 June 2022 at 9:34 am

                    Not at all – but facts also carry emotional baggage, and are often carefully selected for that purpose.

              • Tony Veitch (not etc.) …
                17 June 2022 at 4:57 am

                My apologies for the 'nonchalantly.' A little bit of the 'festina lente' on my part! angry

              • newsense …
                17 June 2022 at 11:33 am

                Doesn’t present well?

                The prosecution rests.

      • mary_a 5.2.2
        17 June 2022 at 1:59 pm

        Yes indeed Tony. Not only all that, but Nanaia has remarkable dignity. No wonder the righties don't like her.

    • newsense 5.3
      17 June 2022 at 11:04 am

      Watch as they froth and don’t even read the article.
      What’s the point of NZ if it can’t respect a woman like Nanaia? I’d rather turn NZ over to the Chinese than allow the likes of Brash and that racist rump to have another go. Stuff it. 180 years is enough time surely. There’s gotta be some Maori looking at the Solomons and Fiji and wondering why they still putting up with this colonial crap.

  6. joe90 6
    16 June 2022 at 7:29 pm

    Inter-generational pain, misery, and perhaps death, courtesy of Russia.

    https://twitter.com/falconua/status/1537038093420740613

  7. Poission 7
    16 June 2022 at 7:40 pm

    Market bakes in .75 for next RBNZ ocr review with wholesale 90 day at 2.76.

    https://www.rbnz.govt.nz/statistics/series/exchange-and-interest-rates/wholesale-interest-rates

  8. pat 8
    16 June 2022 at 7:42 pm

    1%….shock and awe?

    • Poission 8.1
      16 June 2022 at 7:50 pm

      With the FMA survey showing 10% of kiwis with exposure to crypto in their investments,a great unwinding is more then necessary

      • pat 8.1.1
        16 June 2022 at 8:10 pm

        10% wasnt a surprise…its how deep that matters.

        • Poission 8.1.1.1
          16 June 2022 at 9:03 pm

          How much leverage on assets would be the question,so many failed to understand that crypto (whilst marketed as such) is not a hedge as it has no yield,as seen when share prices fail it had little liquidity.

    • joe90 9.1
      16 June 2022 at 8:22 pm

      The Man Who Fell To Earth

      – episode 3:

      Okay. And you're talking about liberating the planet Earth from oil forever.

      Do you know what that looks like?

      In the first 30 days, the exchanges collapse.

      Nobody has any security from anything.

      Policing is gone.

      People are jumping off of buildings.

      It makes 1929 look like fսck¡ng Christmas.

      It's an addicted planet going cold turkey.

      There's lots of riots.

      Power grids go obsolete.

      I mean, a massive devaluation of land.

      I mean, I could buy a fսck¡ng 747 for two Pokemon cards.

      Millions of people are gonna lose their jobs in the gas and oil sector alone.

      Governments slash funding to everything.

      Okay.

      Everybody withdraws their troops from everywhere, because there's nothing left to fight for.

      https://tvshowtranscripts.ourboard.org/viewtopic.php?f=1314&t=52956

  10. Poission 10
    16 June 2022 at 11:03 pm

    Swiss rb hikes 1/2 per cent,Bank of England .25 per cent.

    https://twitter.com/fwred/status/1537352360556650497?cxt=HHwWgoCzmfT04tUqAAAA

    • pat 10.1
      17 June 2022 at 8:58 am

      But ( there it is again)…

      "The ECB said it would speed development of “a new anti-fragmentation instrument” that could be reviewed for approval by the governing council. Its statement didn’t say what that instrument would be.

      The bank also said it could use money it gets from maturing bonds it holds to make new purchases and fight excessive borrowing costs if individual countries face market pressure.

      The ECB already has an emergency bond-market backstop that could allow it to step in and buy the debt of a troubled country. That tool helped calm the 2010-2012 debt crisis after the bank announced it as part of then-President Mario Draghi’s promise to do “whatever it takes” to keep the eurozone from breaking up.

      But that program, which never actually had to be used, can come with tough conditions for reform and governments may be reluctant to turn to it."

      https://apnews.com/article/politics-business-italy-european-central-bank-cc03c3b6ad11a6944bf28485250f21d4

      Spain, a prime candidate along with the other PIIG has a current unemployment rate of 14%….will they volunteer to return to 25% unemployment to save the German and French banks?

      • Poission 10.1.1
        17 June 2022 at 10:52 am

        The ECB has made a deeper problem then it needed,with QE still in place till next week (it was to extend to July) across the whole eurozone.They also had a fall back position with negative interest rates,where it is unwinding up to zero with no intervention.

        The signalling is very confusing both for markets and consumers,and the plays in place seem to be to protect the Euro (and fr / de ) banks.

        Greece repaid its IMF loan,with an ECB facility,but the problems with the Piigs will arise again.The other difference from the GFC is though like most economy's there was in Europe a substantive saving component over lockdown,if it gets blown on the summer holidays etc is an open problem.

          • Poission 10.1.1.1.1
            17 June 2022 at 11:35 am

            It is more directed at the high yield economy's (yield = liquidity) however it will be inflationary,and works against the interest tightning.Only the EU could come up with this,and it seems more to do with trying to increase the euro value( to decrease energy debt)

            Here the RBNZ got ahead by one cycle in nov,however the depreciating dollar will keep interest rates up for longer.

            • pat 10.1.1.1.1.1
              17 June 2022 at 12:12 pm

              Obviously directed at the 'high yield' (indebted) economies, but requires the eurozone to accept accelerating inflation in contrast to the FED which will weaken the Euro, not strengthen it..all they are doing is making the loses bigger, but I guess they may as well hang for a sheep as a lamb.

              • Poission …
                17 June 2022 at 12:37 pm

                The existing mechanism is the outright monetary transaction,brought in to alleviate the debt problems with the euro south.It came with conditions for fiscal responsibility and the south did not like conditions.

                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outright_Monetary_Transactions

                The euro problem is now worse as gas prices have risen by 80% this week,due to a US outage in LNG,and problems with North stream deliveries due to replacement turbines not being able to be supplied to Russia due to sanctions made by the EU.

                Too many wires in the loop,and complexity ( read technocracy) has made Europe too big to manage.

                • pat …
                  17 June 2022 at 12:53 pm

                  Yes eurozone incomplete and therefore too big to manage…singular monetary policy with multiple fiscal…and that fiscal control (agreement in dispute) was lifted for covid and will be further resisted by the populations of the indebted member states even more than it was ignored or circumvented previously in the face of inflation.

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