Daily Review 18/08/2017

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1. Draco T Bastard 1

   18 August 2017 at 6:12 pm

   New Zealand to ban microbeads sooner than expected

   New Zealand will ban the sale and manufacture of wash-off products containing plastic microbeads earlier than previously expected, Associate Environment Minister Scott Simpson says.

   The ban will take effect six months after World Trade Organisation notification, which will take place when the regulations are gazetted in November. Microbeads will be fully banned in New Zealand by May 2018.

   Environment Minister Nick Smith had earlier indicated the ban would not come into force until July next year.

   It seems even National can get somethings right but I’m concerned with the explicit “sale and manufacture of wash-off products containing plastic microbeads”. What else contains micro-beads and why aren’t they being banned as well?
   • Andre 1.1

     18 August 2017 at 6:26 pm

     There’s a bunch of research uses.

     https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microbead_(research)

     They can also be used as fillers/plasticizers/tougheners or other modifier of another material, for instance in composites. Often they’re called microspheres in this kind of application.
2. Mrs Brillo 2

   18 August 2017 at 6:24 pm

   Good question, when it comes to hand sanitisers, many of which contain microbeads.

   Given that these are used when one does not have access to soap and water, are they considered wash-off or not? They do get washed off eventually, though probably the beads have fallen off before then.
   • Tamati Tautuhi 2.1

     18 August 2017 at 8:04 pm

     …. then find there way into the food chain ?

     Or are they biodegradable ?
3. Andre 3

   18 August 2017 at 6:43 pm

   Maybe there’s hope for humanity after all. They had trouble finding an impartial jury for Shkreli’s fraud trial, and the jury selection transcript is a thing of beauty.

   https://harpers.org/archive/2017/09/public-enemy/
   • Stuart Munro 3.1

     18 August 2017 at 8:54 pm

     Great!
   • Draco T Bastard 3.2

     18 August 2017 at 9:44 pm

     juror no. 144: I don’t think I can because he kind of looks like a dick.

     I’m not sure if I should laugh or cry 😈
4. Fred H 4

   18 August 2017 at 7:45 pm

   Roy Morgan August: Nat 42.5 Lab 32.5 NZF 11.5 Grn 9 Mri 1.5
   • One Anonymous Bloke 4.1

     18 August 2017 at 8:32 pm

     That provides some more information about the Greens’ “soft” support…

     …and they campaign well…
     • weka 4.1.1

       18 August 2017 at 8:38 pm

       “That provides some more information about the Greens’ “soft” support”

       How so?
       • One Anonymous Bloke 4.1.1.1

         18 August 2017 at 8:48 pm

         I’m categorising “soft” support as that which has been lost to other parties. Wishful thinkers like Ad and Hooton want it to be enough to destroy the Green Party’s chances of returning MPs, and that seems unlikely, taking the average of the last three polls.
         • WILD KATIPO 4.1.1.1.1

           18 August 2017 at 9:05 pm

           I think all this doomsayer crap we get fed in the media about the Greens being this and that is all a bunch of old hulabaloo.

           The Greens will be back and over 5% after the election and furthermore , – they will be part of the Labour led govt.

           It aint over yet and its about time these media shills pulled their heads in and stopped trying to cheerlead for National. Its getting boring.
           • gsays 4.1.1.1.1.1

             18 August 2017 at 10:21 pm

             What you say is especially true WK, if they keep showing the type of leadership they have shown this far, and I do include meteria when I say this.

             Shaw’s call to calm down and stop blaming the media was apt.

             Meteria (and by extension senior greens), were right to take the tack over poverty they did. They merely under estimated the reaction from the status quo.

             Tbh, I am thinking of returning to voting green after leaving them when they seemed to put social reform on the back burner, (Nandor left).
5. Anne 5

   18 August 2017 at 8:04 pm

   https://www.roymorgan.com/findings/7309-roy-morgan-new-zealand-voting-intention-august-2017-201708181513
   • Anne 5.1

     18 August 2017 at 8:18 pm

     Not working. Let’s try again:

     http://www.roymorgan.com/morganpoll

     Nope. I can’t get a link. Perhaps its overloaded.
     • Carolyn_nth 5.1.1

       18 August 2017 at 8:24 pm

       http://www.roymorgan.com/findings/7309-roy-morgan-new-zealand-voting-intention-august-2017-201708181513

       July 31 – August 13, 2017 42.5 32.5 9 11.5 1.5 0.5 ^ ^ 2.5

       GP- 9

       In mid-August support for incumbent National is 42.5% (down 0.5%), still marginally in front of a potential Labour/Greens coalition on 41.5% (down 2.5%).

       Labour’s prospects of governing after next month’s election have been boosted with Labour’s support up 2% to 32.5% following Jacinda Ardern’s rise to the Labour leadership at the start of August – the highest support for Labour for nearly a year.

       However, Greens support is down 4.5% to 9% after the welfare fraud scandal involving Greens co-leader Metiria Turei cost the leader her job a week ago.

       Winston Peters appears to be the largest beneficiary of the Greens troubles with New Zealand First increasing their support by 3.5% to 11.5% – now with greater support than the Greens for the first time since the 2005 Election when New Zealand First formed Government in coalition with Labour under former Prime Minister Helen Clark.
       • weka 5.1.1.1

         18 August 2017 at 8:37 pm

         In other words, there are so many things going on we have no idea what is going on 😉 (it’s ridiculous to suggest that NZF did well off the Greens).

         Best we just keep on with doing the good things.
         • Carolyn_nth 5.1.1.1.1

           18 August 2017 at 8:39 pm

           It’s been quite a volatile election so far – a few unpredicted twists and turns.
         • mickysavage 5.1.1.1.2

           18 August 2017 at 9:03 pm

           Taken over a longer periond (July 31 – August 13, 2017) than the CB (last five days) but they all bounce around. Guess which poll the media will go to. I understand it is backed up by National’s internal polling and I am sure they are feeding this aspect to the media although interestingly Joyce could not supply latest figures to the National Caucus, perhaps out of fear.

           Of note is the National figure because the trend is always the most important part. They dropped 0.5% and are at their lowest since last year.
           • weka 5.1.1.1.2.1

             18 August 2017 at 9:21 pm

             thanks micky. Do you mean the RM is backed by National’s internal polling or the CB?
       • Tamati Tautuhi 5.1.1.2

         18 August 2017 at 8:45 pm

         Winston NZF and Helen Clark worked quite constructively together in Government in the previous Labour/NZF Coalition ?
         • Union city greens 5.1.1.2.1

           18 August 2017 at 9:17 pm

           And how did that work out in ’08?
   • Union city greens 5.2

     18 August 2017 at 9:16 pm

     This must be a rogue poll. I can’t believe the Jacindarella bounce is only a couple of points. That’s so out of whack with the previous two pollsters efforts, one must ask whether they only polled people who had been living under a rock for the past four weeks?
     But then they had labour at 30% under Little, so who knows what to think?
     • Carolyn_nth 5.2.1

       18 August 2017 at 9:29 pm

       polling period July 31 – August 13th.

       Turei speech at AGM when she confesses fiddling accommodation supplement – July 16.

       Ardern becomes leader – August 1st.
       • Union city greens 5.2.1.1

         18 August 2017 at 9:32 pm

         Right, so for a similar reflection of bounce to show in the numbers, we have to wait for the next RM.

         Then this is a not really much of anything, background noise poll.
         • Carolyn_nth 5.2.1.1.1

           18 August 2017 at 9:37 pm

           Maybe like the Colmar Brunton poll, too?
           • Union city greens 5.2.1.1.1.1

             18 August 2017 at 9:41 pm

             Not really, well not in the numbers anyway, that one showed a 13% surge.

             Edit: Which I see you note below.
     • Carolyn_nth 5.2.2

       18 August 2017 at 9:35 pm

       Roy Morgan polling period July 31 – August 13th.

       Turei speech at AGM when she confesses fiddling accommodation supplement – July 16.

       Sunday 30th July – Colmar Brunton has Labour on 24%

       And has Greens on15% Conducted 22-27 July.

       Ardern becomes leader – August 1st.

       Or maybe these polls are just to soon to reflect the impact of any specific event in the last month?
       • Union city greens 5.2.2.1

         18 August 2017 at 9:52 pm

         The latest CB was taken 12 to 16 August, and the bounce was 13%.
         Clearly I don’t understand polling, but the RM, with Jacinda becoming leader on the first, I would have thought 13 days would have registered a bigger bounce than 2 points.

         Well whatever, if the next round of data show she’s holding her gains, or winning voters of national, and the greens can firm up, it’s all good.
         • Anne 5.2.2.1.1

           18 August 2017 at 10:36 pm

           I would have thought 13 days would have registered a bigger bounce than 2 points.

           Not necessarily. There’s always a lag between specific political events and when they start to show through in polls. Many of the respondents in the earlier part of the RM period were probably still only registering the leadership changes, whereas the CB poll didn’t start until 10 days later so is therefore likely to me more indicative of current voters’ reaction.
         • Stuart Munro 5.2.2.1.2

           18 August 2017 at 10:52 pm

           It would help if they weren’t polling the National party membership list.
     • lprent 5.2.3

       18 August 2017 at 10:55 pm

       I can’t believe the Jacindarella bounce is only a couple of points.

       Check the times that the poll was taken. Remember that much of the poll respondents are taken in the first part of the polling period.
       • Union city greens 5.2.3.1

         18 August 2017 at 11:12 pm

         Like most, I’ll keenly be waiting for the big upwards movement to show through in the next poll to confirm the others trend.
6. Tamati Tautuhi 6

   18 August 2017 at 8:42 pm

   NZF and Winston advocating $20 minimum wage over the next 3 years ?
   • WILD KATIPO 6.1

     18 August 2017 at 9:13 pm

     Could be a tactical throw away announcement but I doubt it.

     The writings on the wall for National. The people are getting pissed of with being serfs and its only a matter of time before the shit hits the fan .

     I doubt we could do another 3 years of this low wage crap, homelessness and poverty. You can only keep bending a bar of steel so far until it snaps. Same with kicking people in the teeth repeatedly.

     National will be getting its just deserts for treating people like shit and I believe Peters will go Labour.
7. Tamati Tautuhi 7

   18 August 2017 at 9:35 pm

   40 hours at $20 = $800 less tax 25% = $600 less rent 3 bedroom house Auckland = $500
   leaves $100 for the family for food, power, petrol etc.

   Housing is a huge cost in the family budget which this has not been addressed by either National or Labour ?
   • Draco T Bastard 7.1

     18 August 2017 at 9:52 pm

     Neither can because they both believe in capitalism and the market to fix things.

     This despite the fact that it was Labour’s housing policy of building huge numbers of state housing in the 1930s that addressed it last time.
     • Anne 7.1.1

       18 August 2017 at 10:45 pm

       Ummm… Labour has announced they’re going to do the same thing again DTB. That is, build thousands of state houses for those who can’t own their own home, and acquire or build thousands more affordable homes for those who can with some help from the government. My parents would never have been able to buy a home had it not been for the help they got from the state in the early 1950s.
8. Tamati Tautuhi 8

   18 August 2017 at 10:45 pm

   The only way NZ can fix the problem is do what Labour did in the 1930’s and build State Houses, the problem we have in Auckland today is land prices are over inflated and the Banks are reluctant to lend to developers who would also like to make a margin of 15-30% ?
9. Eco maori 9

   19 August 2017 at 5:28 am

   Thanks for the test.It looks like I’m winning the war. Hope my selection of moves showed you my reality.
   Back to topic Why did we listen to big business and switch to plastic milk bottle there was nothing wrong with glass milk bottleforeigners conned us again. We need green at 15 percent

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