Daily review 21/03/2019

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  1. outofbed 1

    Kiwiblog eh?

    Ross12
    I will not link it but if you want to see the video WD refers to go to *******
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    David Garrett
    Ross: Please do post a link for those of us who aren’t internet savvy enough to find it…people can make their own choices about whether to watch it.

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  2. WeTheBleeple 2

    Here’s a good news story.

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/the-vision-is-clear/news/article.cfm?c_id=1504591&objectid=12214980

    This farmer catches snapper in his back yard and has whitebait running almost up to his cowshed.

    Even better than that, he is part of an educational group to help other farmers around climate change research and mitigation strategies.

    The Kaipara is a major snapper breeding area. Great example for others on estuarine edges. Great work.

    • Yeah mate, in the 19th century and earlier, the Maoris used fishing nets over a kilometer long to catch grey mullet. The whole tribe would be involved. One kilometer long nets !!! I can only imagine they used signals and verbal commands to coordinate the activity. It was a big part of their economy and sustenance in the Kaipara regions.

      Grey mullet,… the king of smoked fish. And the roe so smoked is an absolute delicacy.

      [PDF]The Kaipara mullet fishery: nineteenth-century management … – Te Papa
      https://www.tepapa.govt.nz/sites/default/files/tuhinga.17.2006.pt1_.p1-26.paulin.pdf

      • Cinny 2.1.1

        1km long nets with the whole iwi helping out, dang that would have been incredible to witness. Thanks for sharing WK.

  3. Cinny 3

    Thanks Jacinda and our coalition for banning particular assault weapons today.

    Check this out….

    Bernie Sanders

    This is what real action to stop gun violence looks like. We must follow New Zealand’s lead, take on the NRA and ban the sale and distribution of assault weapons in the United States.

  4. Muttonbird 4

    Whitcoulls has removed 12 Rules for Life from its shelves.

    This appears to be a response to the image of Peterson embracing some nameless islamophobe at a recent event in New Zealand.

    I’d say in a wider context it’s an appropriate response to Jordan Peterson deliberately (or not) fuelling the prejudices of people like said islamophobe.

    Mr Peterson’s lectures and videos legitimise the views of extreme right wing people in their millions, and I believe his movement is a big part of the rise of right wing extremism – the heinous and tragic consequence of which we saw last Friday afternoon.

    Good on Whitcoulls for making a stand.

    Rimmer says, “A self-help book is an incredibly strange thing to suppress”, but I suspect Whitcoulls is ‘suppressing’ the author rather than the book. Not sure if Whitcoulls ever stocked Maps of Meaning.

    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/entertainment/2019/03/jordan-peterson-s-12-rules-for-life-removed-from-whitcoulls-following-christchurch-terror-attack.amp.html

    • marty mars 4.1

      Good news. At last we are standing up – this is the start of some good.

    • Three cheers for the suppression of opinions we don’t like! Hip, hip… wait, what, where are you all going?

      • Muttonbird 4.2.1

        Angry white dudes? We have enough of them already.

        • RedLogix 4.2.1.1

          And here was I hoping we’d had enough ugly racism for one week.

        • Psycho Milt 4.2.1.2

          We have? I’m not seeing it. Could you give us a breakdown of your proposed opinion rationing model?

          • Muttonbird 4.2.1.2.1

            We have enough angry white dudes in the world without Peterson manufacturing more.

            • Psycho Milt 4.2.1.2.1.1

              We have? He is? Are these the views of the planet’s official opinion-rationing body that I haven’t heard of, or something that applies only inside your own head?

              • mauī

                This is the opinion of the open-minded, kind hearted, inclusive left who if you peer behind the curtain looks very similar to some sort of “regime”.

                • There’s nothing quite so redolent of open-mindedness and inclusiveness than suppressing opinions you don’t like, eh? Is the self-congratulatory part built-in, or is that just your personal added touch?

    • SHG 4.3

      Mr Peterson’s lectures and videos legitimise the views of extreme right wing people in their millions

      how?

  5. Johnr 5

    Just heard the tv news. Bloody hell the crusaders will have 1min silence for the people slain in Chch.
    I am so angry that the respect for the Chch victims deserves 1min silence.
    Cannot these utter rugby fuckwits realise that this atrocity deserves a cancellation of all sports events whilst the nation mournes.
    Well done Jacinda for being tough and setting out the changes she wants. It’ll be very hard, given public opinion, for any Polly to oppose these changes.

    • marty mars 5.1

      + 1 they are shocking imo too.

      Sad.

    • Peter 5.2

      I will mourn until I die. Does that mean I can’t play or watch sport?

      • Johnr 5.2.1

        Sure you can, but can you not set that aside until they are laid to rest

        • Cinny 5.2.1.1

          Thanks for explaining Johnr, they cancelled a game last weekend, so was wondering where you were coming from, but now I understand.

          It’s like, what’s the rule for an appropriate length of public mourning for these innocent people. Because sometimes there are no remains, for example those who perished in the fires from the quakes, or those lost in Pike River.

          So in this instance it’s until they are laid to rest.

    • BM 5.3

      Well done Jacinda for being tough and setting out the changes she wants. It’ll be very hard, given public opinion, for any Polly to oppose these changes.

      Hopefully, she still has the smarts and awareness to realise that NZ is still a democracy and she’s not the great decider.

      • Ad 5.3.1

        Draft law will still go through Select Committee with hearings, and then to Parliament.

        Just a little faster.

        Much faster then National did anything about either Christchurch or Pike River disasters.

        That’s because Ardern is already a superior leader to Key, after not even one term.

        • ScottGN 5.3.1.1

          Key is already one of our more forgettable PMs Ad. Ardern on the other hand, seems destined for that thinly populated pantheon of great NZ Prime Ministers.

          • marty mars 5.3.1.1.1

            Yep – and imo because she cares, she is not perfect but she is compassionate and authentic.

      • ScottGN 5.3.2

        Jacinda The Great Decider BM? I like it!

      • Cinny 5.3.3

        BM, there’s an election next year, the public will decide not only on who will govern but also on three referendum’s.

        If any are unhappy they will vote accordingly.

        • BM 5.3.3.1

          The left has this terrible habit of over-egging the pudding and ruining it.

          They’re at this point now.

          • ScottGNh 5.3.3.1.1

            Haha BM. You wish.

          • Ad 5.3.3.1.2

            Go ahead and predict what will happen next then.

            Pretty easy for such a supreme analyst as yourself.

            • BM 5.3.3.1.2.1

              I’d like to, but because of what happened, I now feel very wary of voicing any sort of opinion.

              Big Mother is now watching everything.

              • Sam

                Just stay away from those conspiracy theories and you’ll be right.

              • greywarshark

                Thanks for watching out for us Big Mother. We sure do need someone to care.

              • McFlock

                “Any” sort of opinion?

                Or just the sort that’s limited to things like immigration or comparative religion?

          • ScottGN 5.3.3.1.3

            Grab your smelling salts BM. You ain’t seen nothin’ yet.

          • McFlock 5.3.3.1.4

            The order in council won’t be revoked any time soon, even if you lot start up with bleating against legislated controls.

            So then any government that takes donations from gun sellers will still have to actively legalise the type of weapon used by the fuckwit. Which gun nuts (not responsible gun users, gun nuts) will probably try to do over time.

            But fair point, like liberty the price of safety is eternal vigilance.

      • Stuart Munro. 5.3.4

        Your comment would be kindof sound had you raised equivalent objections to the unmandated excesses of the Key Kleptocracy.

    • Higherstandard 5.4

      They’re playing in Sydney this Saturday not Christchurch.

  6. Muttonbird 6

    I looked out the window and seen his bald head
    I ran to the fridge and pulled out an egg
    Scoped him with my scopes he had no hair

  7. Ad 7

    A really good day in New Zealand politics.

    And more to come.

  8. Rosemary McDonald 8

    I know there has been a lot going on, but ffs…

    https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/385273/police-confirm-wrong-person-recorded-as-being-killed-by-christchurch-mosque-shooter

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/christchurch-shooting/111458419/christchurch-mosques-gunman-mistakenly-charged-with-shooting-live-person

    Surely one police officer could have been given the responsibility of making sure they got their facts straight.

    This is the type of tardy crap that gives the Kiwi constabulary a Keystone reputation.

    • Cinny 8.1

      That’s shocking. Some South Island NZ Police need to sharpen up big time.

      A bit like this…

      “A hunting guide and former soldier says he raised concerns with police about the gun club where the alleged mosque terrorist practised shooting.”

      A police spokeswoman said initial inquiries show no record of a “complaint” being made in regard to this matter however police would look into the claims.

      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12213446

      • Exkiwiforces 8.1.1

        Yes a bloke by Jim and I have mentioned it today on another thread. My sources are wee bit close to Dunedin line of enquires and are f…ing piss are they keen shooters (MSSA and pistol tgt shooting IOT maintain standards) and hunters.

    • greywarshark 8.2

      Give thenm a break. They, thankfully, don’t get practice at handling the aftermath of multiple killings and let’s have no more.

      • Rosemary McDonald 8.2.1

        Sadly, I think that over the next few months the police charging the terrorist with murdering a live person is going to be only one of many significant errors that come to light. The average copper, in my experience, is not overburdened with wit and worse is disinclined to admit when they have got it wrong. Or not as right as they could have done. Someone clearly cocked up during the vetting process the terrorist was supposed to have gone through. The negligent vettor probably thought it wouldn’t make much difference…since the overwhelming majority of applicants pass. But this time it did. And it seems the terrorist chose to apply for his gun license here in the Waikato…

        https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2019/03/ex-police-firearms-manager-concerned-about-ease-of-alleged-christchurch-gunman-s-licence.html

        It has been an awful week for the PM and on the whole even a grump like myself has been impressed…but two things have stood out. All week the PM has poured copious amounts of praise down upon the police to the point of it becoming a tad uncomfortable Then her reaction in the interview above…more than just a little on the defensive.

        Up until last Friday…that minor little alteration to the admin process for applying for a gun license was a nothing….it is of quite considerable importance now, and how the inevitable fallout is handled will be most important. The Opposition will be all over this like a measles rash.

        • Gabby 8.2.1.1

          Heaven forbid the cockups are less incompetent than they appear. Statistically some police are bound to be connected at least by acquaintance with some nasties.

  9. Morrissey 9

    Confronting Chelsea Clinton

    She keeps saying “I’m so sorry.”

  10. Muttonbird 10

    This is pretty big. It’s also a huge criticism of the devolution of firearms licensing to smaller district operations.

    In the future if you want a gun, you should have to go to Wellington.

    https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/385279/alleged-failings-in-police-vetting-of-accused-s-firearms-licence-application

    And, has Paula Bennett spoken since this murderous event? Has she thought about what the PM did today, and whether she might have done similar?

  11. joe90 11

    Well that wasn’t supposed to happen.

    The concertina wire installed under the Trump administration to reinforce the U.S.-Mexico border is now being stolen and used to protect Tijuana residences as the city grapples with a surge in crime, officials confirmed Monday.

    Thieves are stealing and selling the same concertina wire installed in November along the border by the Department of Homeland Security, and 15 to 20 arrests have already been made, city officials said.

    https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/border-baja-california/sd-me-concertina-wire-tj-20190318-story.html

    • Macro 11.1

      Hehehe

      Mexican Politician: “We’re going to build a fence around Tijuana – and the US is going to pay for it!”
      Crowd: ” Build the Fence! Build the Fence!”

  12. Robert Guyton 12

    “The great drought of 2018 broke with a series of late summer storms.

    Perversely, one of the worst things that can happen to an urban river seriously short of water, is for it to rain heavily.

    Not only did the accumulated dust, dirt and assorted pollutants of the summer months get washed into the Spree, but the mass of rainwater was so great that it overwhelmed the city’s treatment plants and flushed huge amounts of untreated, or only partially treated wastewater directly into the river.

    Which wouldn’t be so bad, if it weren’t for the fact that the drought had caused a serious drop in Berlin’s groundwater, thus turning the river into the city’s primary source of drinking water.

    Yummy.”

    https://dark-mountain.net/red-river-backwards/

    Read this and weep…

  13. Muttonbird 13

    One call from Winston Peters and Erdogan is in the Prime minister’s lap.

    JA has the world at her feet right now. Terrible that the circumstances leading to it are the most awful possible. 😢

    https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/world/385241/turkey-president-recep-tayyip-erdogan-praises-prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-after-controversial-comments

    • RedLogix 13.1

      Worth highlighting Erdogan’s words:

      After the Christchurch massacre the West had the responsibility to “reject the normalization of racism, xenophobia and Islamophobia, which has been on the rise in recent years”.

      “Moreover, we must shed light on all aspects of what happened and fully understand how the terrorist became radicalised and his links to terrorist groups to prevent future tragedies.

      I understand our terrorist was in Turkey between 2014 – 2016, the period central to his radicalisation, full co-operation of the Turkish govt is going to be pivotal to the investigation. We can only wish Winston the very best with his trip to Ankara.

  14. Mark 14

    This is just getting ridiculous:

    “Whitcoulls pulls Jordan Peterson’s ’12 Rules for Life’ following Christchurch attacks”
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12215124

    The country needs to take a collective deep breath, reach out to Muslim community and other marginalised groups, but without falling into the grip of hysteria.

    The 12 rules for life is a fantastic book

    • SHG 14.1

      Mein Kampf by Adolf Hitler: still for sale.

      The left was right, Peterson is officially Worse Than Hitler

    • greywarshark 14.2

      If Peterson stuck to 12 rules he would be helpful; his hubris has taken him beyond his line in the sand.
      (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFo9-7VX2K8

      • RedLogix 14.2.1

        I’m not sure how your argument demonstrates ‘hubris’?

        I understand that some people just don’t ‘get’ Peterson, but the striking thing about all the hit pieces on him are their total inconsistency. They all consist of pretty much nothing but personal reactions and unverifiable assertions that have little in common. It’s hard to keep track of what he’s supposed to be.

        The last hit piece I read boiled down to the author claiming she sat through a lecture and was ‘bored’, while all those around her sat in rapt attention.

        Another asserted he is a fraud without producing the slightest hint of evidence; others claim he’s an alt-right promoter when the actual alt-right hate him, and many people accredit JP with helping them leave behind that extremism. He’s been accused of being jewish shill and a nazi apologist on the same day. Then his audience is all ‘angry young white men’ when demonstrably it isn’t, (the last person who spontaneously mentioned him to me in conversation was of Mexican origin and neither angry nor young).

        Others pontificate about how much more they know about post-modernism than Peterson does, but then go on to say nothing convincing about it.

        Others take the soft sell approach, conceding a list of things they can’t pick apart, but then turning around at the end and conclude he’s ‘dangerous’ without any attempt to demonstrate why.

        I could go on, but there is something similar going on to the climate change denier syndrome; the common thread was that there was none, each one coming up with their own inconsistent, contradictory reason as to why the science was wrong. In total they were united in their opposition to the science, but not why.

        There is absolutely no 13th Rule that states “Jordan Peterson is always right”, but what’s missing so far is much in the way of serious, good faith attempts to engage the argument rather than the man.

        I’ll finish by saying this; one of the outcomes of listening to JP is that I’ve determined to improve the way I interact here, more focus on listening to what people are really saying, engaging robustly with their argument, and conveying sincere respect for the person. If that is a bad thing, I’d be intrigued to know why gw.

    • RedLogix 14.3

      @ Mark

      Intriguing that people with views as disparate as the two of us can find common worth in Peterson. I find that encouraging, I know we got off to a rugged start, let’s hope we can find a way to build a bridge.

      While it’s true that the bulk of his original audience were young men on YouTube (where they generally consist of 80% of the user base anyhow) in my particular case I was introduced to him by my partner in 2016 while I was working in the Canadian Arctic and we were separated for over 8 months. She started sharing me links and it gave us something interesting to talk about when WhatsApp was working.

      Given she is a woman of mature age, with not an angry bone in her body, an ex-Catholic with distinct pro-feminist leanings … she’s the exact opposite of the stereotype who is supposed to be a Peterson ‘fan’.

      • Mark 14.3.1

        Peterson understands life as it actually is, he is a realist. He cuts through all the fluffy stuff about all of us being special, happiness, and rainbows and unicorns crap etc and tells us as the buddhists say, that that life is suffering and it friggin unfair. and that happiness is not the goal in itself but comes through striving for a life of meaning. And what is a life of meaning? It is to reduce during our lifetimes the suffering of humanity in our own small way. That of course does not mean one has to be a nurse or a doctor or a counsellor, or in a more grandiose sense find a cure for cancer or eliminate all child poverty. At least, in my interpretation on a personal level it is about doing one’s own job well and with integrity, and treating people with both kindness and with justice. Without justice that is unkindness to others. Peterson is telling us to man up, and look at this world squarely in the face for what it really is, not what we wish it was.

        Of course, I find Peterson’s take on Marxism Leninism to be wildly inaccurate – his facts are wrong in most cases. But that does not matter. I’m not looking for a friggin guru, just someone who has a few good points that can improve the world….that he does. However he does point out the mistakes and errors of radical egalitarianism and these mistakes are being replicated in the Western world right now.

        Have a good one!

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