Daily Review 22/09/2016

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59 comments on “Daily Review 22/09/2016”

  1. Manuka AOR 1

    “Inconsistent with reality”: Top scientists take aim at Trump’s climate denialism.
    Like the planet itself, write 375 scientists in open letter, the political system also has tipping points.
    “Spurred by the continued failure of too many political leaders and “great concern” over Donald Trump’s specific threat to cancel U.S. participation in the Paris climate agreement if elected president, 375 top American scientists published an open letter on Tuesday castigating climate denialism and urging bold action to address a threat that is “real, serious, and immediate.” ”

    “According to the letter, “During the Presidential primary campaign, claims were made that the Earth is not warming, or that warming is due to purely natural causes outside of human control. Such claims are inconsistent with reality.” “

    • BM 1.1

      You do realise all this stuff just helps Trump.

      • One Anonymous Bloke 1.1.1

        How does it do that, BM?

        • BM

          Trump is going to pick up so much of the non-vote it’s going to make your eyes water.
          All those disillusioned non-voters , joe averages out there are being drawn to Trump like a moth to light, these attacks by the “establishment” just lend weight to the premise that he’s their knight, the man they want to fight for them to make their lives better and the USA better.

          it’s bollocks, but that’s the way they see it.

          • One Anonymous Bloke

            Why do they see it that way, BM?

            • BM

              Because the strugglers in life feel no connection with people like Hillary Clinton, she’s an elite, one of the establishment.

              Trumps a billionaire and really no different to Clinton in a lot of ways but he’s got a much better back story and is
              a lot more relatable to the average person.

              He’s also a tremendous sales man and actor.

  2. Manuka AOR 2

    Excerpt from the open letter (ref above):
    The political system also has tipping points. Thus it is of great concern that the Republican nominee for President has advocated U.S. withdrawal from the Paris Accord. A “Parexit” would send a clear signal to the rest of the world: “The United States does not care about the global problem of human-caused climate change. You are on your own.” Such a decision would make it far more difficult to develop effective global strategies for mitigating and adapting to climate change. The consequences of opting out of the global community would be severe and long-lasting – for our planet’s climate and for the international credibility of the United States.

    • Draco T Bastard 2.1

      The Rest of the World can always do what the US has been doing to the Rest of the World and cut the bastards off from all diplomatic, military and trade ties. Lets see just how well the US does without having so much of the world’s wealth delivered to it.

  3. Manuka AOR 3

    From The Guardian commentary on the open letter:
    “In the letter, the scientists venture deeper into politics than scientists are generally willing to tread. They describe the inane Republican platform and the foolish position of the Republican nominee Donald Trump. Basically, Trump wishes to scrap our environmental agreements, which have resulted in reductions to our own emissions as well as very strong agreements to reduce global warming through international agreements. ” https://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2016/sep/21/375-top-scientists-warn-of-real-serious-immediate-climate-threat

  4. joe90 4


    If you are the dealer, I’m out of the game
    If you are the healer, it means I’m broken and lame
    If thine is the glory then mine must be the shame
    You want it darker
    We kill the flame

  5. Cinny 5

    Am closely following this, shame fishermen won’t talk to media, but hey that industry is tighter than a drug ring

    Did you know… it’s much easier to fill in the paperwork once you are steaming back to port to unload. Fishermen don’t like paper work.

    Some observers onboard vessels are deliberately made to feel sea sick, easier for the crew with the observer stuck in the cabin for a few days while they find their sea legs.

    Fishing can be around the clock, one observer is not able to observer all operations during a trip.

    National Party President Peter Goodfellow is hugely involved in Sanford Fishing

    Crew go to sea to make money or because they love it, and that’s the difference between bad crew and good crew

    Orders come from the top, unwritten company policy and all that

    I’m sick of this Government


  6. b waghorn 6


    Mr Joy killed his credibility saying farming needs to go by 2050

    • BM 6.1

      What’s the reasoning on why farming has to go by 2050?

      • b waghorn 6.1.1

        usual story ie we can’t feed a population of 9 billion on animals .

        • BM

          Seriously?, what a tool.

          • In Vino

            Well, BM, obviously you think it OK for many of those 9 billion to starve to death.

            • Colonial Viper

              Don’t worry 9B will never happen, and even if it does we’ll only be up there for a decade or so before it crashes hard.

            • b waghorn

              the western world chucks away 20% plus of its food we have vast areas of land growing shit like wine ,tobacco ,cut flowers and fucking race horses , we can feed the people we just need to stop humans from being morons ,
              ( i have to admit i like a wine on occasion)

              • pat

                “… we can feed the people we just need to stop humans from being morons ,”

                we won’t stop humans from being morons but even if we did we can’t feed 9 billion AND not make the planet unable to support human existence.

              • In Vino

                Yes, true, we are not well-organised… and unlikely to change without disastrous crisis. Eat, drink and be merry..

              • mauī

                A really good, graphic doco on what British households waste and a look at the supply chain waste from farmer to supermarket.

                “Hughs war on waste” – 1 hour

    • Jenny Kirk 6.2

      Mr Joy amended his statement, b waghorn, and then Mr Mackay made his own incorrect statement in that a very few places are starting to fence waterways but not very many, and there is strong resistance from farmers to do anything like that.

      “According to the transcript, Joy’s solution to this problem is to get animals out of the food chain by 2050, which he then modified to say that, at present, we need to fence waterways to exclude animals.
      “Mackay responded, quite correctly, that this was being done…….”

      • b waghorn 6.2.1

        Did he amend because he doesn’t believe it , or did he amend it because he knew if people would know he’s a bit nuts for believing it?. iyo

    • mauī 6.3

      Joy said he based that on his maths. If his credibility is ruined that must mean the PM was right all those years ago about water quality and Joy wasn’t. Same goes for this current woman who appears to be living on Mars and wants all water nuked for safety reasons.

      • In Vino 6.3.1

        Yes… Sorry Waghorn, but Joy is not a fool; his Maths and long-term outlook may be far beyond what you are thinking of with your defensive attitude.

    • That was a very slanted type of opinion. The writer couldn’t have been more direct in his dislike of Joy or his position and seemed to find plenty of evidence to support his view. Unbalanced article imo.

    • Draco T Bastard 6.5

      No, that would be you losing all your credibility as you show your ignorance and bias.

  7. Paul 7

    Interesting the Herald is running a lot of ‘bad teacher’ stories while teachers are locked in opposition to Parata’s attack on education.
    Interesting timing.

    • In Vino 7.1

      Yes… I had thought that our wonderful Teacher Registration System was going to eradicate all these criminal-type teachers, because they would be vetted, etc, and kids would be much safer than they were before Registration was introduced.
      Ha bloody ha – teachers now have to pay $300+ every 3 years for a Registration System that has brought NO decrease in widely-publicised ‘Bad Teacher’ court cases. All those Glossies put out about what Registration would do for us (and cost plenty of money to put out) were full of lies and empty promises.

      If all these ‘bad teachers’ are still so prevalent, what has our marvellous Teacher Registration Board been doing apart from putting out glossy brochures?

    • Muttonbird 7.2

      There have always been bad teacher stories and according to BM, or one of the other rightwing trolls, men don’t enter the profession because teachers are viewed with suspicion. This is what he believes the general public think of teachers.

      There is a increase in anti-teacher stories though, and yes it’s to do with the strength of the NZEI and PPTA. The union busting rightwing themselves are sowing the seeds of that suspicion which BM speaks of.

      According to them these unions must be stopped for the good of the kids.

      • In Vino 7.2.1

        I suspect that you are right, and that state schools are slowly being stifled of resources, so that people will see them as failing… But where I am an awful lot of students and parents can see far beyond that. I optimistically predict that Hekia’s ‘Global Funding’ will go the way of her larger classes scheme.

        • Muttonbird

          The usual union busting gnomes Slater, Farrar, Hide, and Hooton hardly let a week go by without crowing about the demise of union participation and power, yet the teachers completely savaged the government on this with only half day stop work meetings in the process.

          While the establishment bullies would have everyone believe worker action ruins little boys’ holidays, and is somehow against the interests of all children, the teachers stopped Parata’s penny-pinching policy with barely an afternoon missed.

          That these workers are collectively so powerful against government decree is frightening to Hide and co. The tears well up when he thinks of the holiday ruined by ferry workers.

  8. fisiani 8

    Grant Robertson was again humiliated by Bill English at QT. Trying to cherry pick per capita growth in a time of thousands of Kiwis returning home to our booming economy and wage riser four times higher than inflation and with mortgage repayments hundreds of dollars less than a few years ago was a recipe for another disastrous performance. He should be given an extra couple of questions to try a bit harder.

    • Stuart Munro 8.1

      You are insane.

      The economy is in bad shape and deteriorating.

      The spurious GDP numbers without per capita can conceal that from people who are abnormally stupid. If they don’t live in NZ.

      Grant Robertson may not be a rockstar, but an empty space would be a vast improvement on Bill English. Or Gerry, as Treasury has reluctantly been obliged to point out.

      • Colonial Viper 8.1.1

        GR is not going to survive the Finance Minister debates next year.

        • Stuart Munro

          He wouldn’t have been my choice – but he’d be adequate considering the risable quality of this ‘government’. Lying about results and refusing OIA requests is where they’re at – trying to delay the inevitable.

          • Colonial Viper

            Except I’m not talking about GR debating “the Government” I am talking about GR debating Bill English.

            Now, English is not the kind of politician who is ever going to set the stage on fire, but he does know exactly what he is talking about from his own perspective of economics and political economic policy.

            Do you think that GR will get the better of English in a TV debate? I have some doubts, myself.

            • Enough is Enough

              I agree

              In the debates GR will arm himself with some silly statistics which will fly over the head of most people.

              He will try telling people that their lives are terrible because 32% of people who were in full employment in 1999 now are 72% worse off than they would have been if the changes to employment law had not been made and if he was Finance Minister they would be 17.63 times better off because he would make the economy more productive on per capita basis after tax and interests payments are accounted for.

              Bill English will say. The economy is growing at 3.6% PA. Vote National.

              Grant needs to make things simple.

              The economy is fucked, is a good start.

              • fisiani

                The economy is growing at 3.6%. Interest rates are projected to drop further in a few months. Dairy prices are are on the rise. National radio at lunchtime today mentioned an innovative new method for indicating high quality beef. Increased revenue. Also how to use Friesian bobby calves to cross breed with Wagyu cattle to get grass fed Wagyu steaks. High quality-high profit. New fishing technology nets are enhancing catch quality.
                The average Auckland voter lives in a $1,000,000 house and their mortgage repayments are falling.
                The economy is clearly booming.
                Add in 100,000 high value USA political refugees if Trump wins.
                I actually feel sorry for Grant Robertson trying to convince viewers to believe the sky is falling. Chicken Little will also get trashed.

        • Muttonbird

          What are the Finance Minister debates? Is this a new thing?

  9. Muttonbird 9

    Is the current government’s much lauded fibre broadband roll out already dead?


    I think so. The future is wireless broadband.

    Chorus importing van loads of cheap, ill-trained installers from overseas might be the final nail in the coffin for fibre.

    • Draco T Bastard 9.1

      The future is wireless broadband.

      No, really, it isn’t. Physical connections have far more bandwidth than wireless and always will do.

      Wireless is, of course, cheaper and so Spark will be able to make a higher profit on the poorer service.

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