Daily review 27/07/2020

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1. Peter 1

   27 July 2020 at 6:05 pm

   I've just seen Collins on TV3 news. She obviously doesn't have to prove that she's a nasty piece of work but you can't fault her determination to keep reminding everyone of the fact.
2. Muttonbird 2

   27 July 2020 at 6:10 pm

   Heather Duplicity-Allen spins for her paymasters:

   Labour on 61 in the poll is too high.

   National on 25 is too low.

   A 36-point gap is way too big.

   https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12351394

   While Tova gives Collins a bollocking over whether it’s ok to lie. Collins thinks it’s fine which tells you all you need to know about Collins.

   https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/07/newshub-reid-research-poll-voters-trust-jacinda-ardern-far-more-than-judith-collins.html
   • Incognito 2.1

     27 July 2020 at 6:17 pm

     She knows a thing about gaps
   • observer 2.2

     27 July 2020 at 6:30 pm

     In that Herald commentary, HDPA directly compares a weighted opinion poll with a self-selected survey (Massey). She either doesn't understand the difference or she chooses to mislead. Both are inexcusable.
   • McFlock 2.3

     27 July 2020 at 6:53 pm

     Collins is hilarious. She gave the info to Ardern, but claims Collins was just as unaware of the rumours as Ardern claims to have been.

     So either Collins is almost equally remiss as Ardern in not knowing something that was well-trodden in the parliamentary rumour-mill, or Collins sat on the information for longer than she suggests.

     So she's either incompetent (by her own measure) or duplicitous.

     As for this being a "rogue poll", yeah, it's probably at the high end. But zero polls AFAIK are showing the nats within a mile of Labour, so it's more of a "peccadillo poll" than fully "rogue".
     • Treetop 2.3.1

       27 July 2020 at 9:38 pm

       So Collins acted on what the emailer said, got their consent, stopped the PM to tell her in person and then Collins says she would not have sacked ILG.

       The emailer was time consuming for Collins when she was dealing with the Falloon fallout and further allegations, taking on the leadership and ILG became her priority when Collins did not know the details.

       Too much attention on Collins part over something which she did not need to handle as it could have been a hoax and Collins does not strike me as having the time to be part of a hoax.
3. ScottGN 3

   27 July 2020 at 6:18 pm

   Lisa Owen is doing a lovely ring-around of National Party MPs asking about the poll on Checkpoint. Turns out Bridges was right about Maureen Pugh.
   • I Feel Love 3.1

     27 July 2020 at 7:24 pm

     Hehe https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/audio/2018756771/national-mps-respond-to-latest-poll-showing-drop-in-support
4. ScottGN 4

   27 July 2020 at 6:49 pm

   A bit of payback from Tova tonight after Collins and Brownlee spent all day dissing her poll. Collins failing badly on the ‘trust’ issue with voters at about 30%. And the PM enjoying 80% support on the same question.

   https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/07/newshub-reid-research-poll-voters-trust-jacinda-ardern-far-more-than-judith-collins.html
   • Dennis Frank 4.1

     27 July 2020 at 7:17 pm

     Bit of a doozy, eh? That finding about trust was huge enough, then she also blew the Nats’ myth out of the water. You know, the one they've been pushing – and the media pushing for them – since the gfc, that National has got the edge when it comes to managing the economy. Think I saw/heard that also clock in around 30% in the poll. Centrists have now shifted massively to the left! Can't see any way for the Nats to roll back that shift anytime soon.
     • Muttonbird 4.1.1

       27 July 2020 at 7:25 pm

       National can't even get policy out.

       By this time in the last election campaign the opposition party Labour had released a fully-costed, independently-reviewed alternative Budget.

       Goldsmith says he will cost all his policies too, but so far nothing – in fact, what New Zealanders are seeing from National lately is a party not even bothering to put a price tag on massive infrastructure projects.

       https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/07/newshub-reid-research-poll-kiwis-trust-labour-more-than-national-to-run-the-economy.html
       • Fireblade 4.1.1.1

         27 July 2020 at 8:30 pm

         From Muttonbird's Newshub link:

         The latest Newshub-Reid Research Poll asked New Zealanders which party they trust to run the economy from now on through and after COVID-19.

         62.3% trust a Labour-led Government under Jacinda Ardern to run the economy.

         26.5% would trust a National-led Government under Judith Collins to run the economy.
       • Incognito 4.1.1.2

         27 July 2020 at 9:42 pm

         National wanted to contract out the costing of their policies to Steven Joyce but his abacus had a malfunction.
     • Draco T Bastard 4.1.2

       27 July 2020 at 9:11 pm

       You know, the one they've been pushing – and the media pushing for them – since the gfc, that National has got the edge when it comes to managing the economy.

       National have pushed that for decades. IIRC, Muldoon was using similar if not the same language.

       Of course, its never actually been true. Generally speaking, Labour and the Left have always been better simply because they looked out for everybody and not just the rich as National does.
5. Anker 5

   27 July 2020 at 7:29 pm

   • Collins and Gerry completely rejecting the Reid poll.

   the born to rule entitled set just can’t accept that maybe they are not going to “take the country back”……….Do they not realise that their outrage about the poll makes them even less appealing to the voting public
   • I Feel Love 5.1

     27 July 2020 at 7:35 pm

     Shh, don't tell them Anker (not that they'd take advice from anyone on TS anyway).

     I just turned on my Twitter and there's so many RWs crying and cranking, they're in utter disbelief, be very curious if JC can give them some relief tomorrow when she releases her own polls, but then if over half the country don't believe her…

     And roads.
   • ScottGN 5.2

     27 July 2020 at 7:42 pm

     I really don’t think the Nats have a bloody clue about the sea change that’s occurred in the country in the last six months. They simply don’t seem to be able to process covid and what it’s done. Today’s effort from Collins and Brownlee is just going drive away anyone who isn’t a rusted on Nat voter.
     • RedBaronCV 5.2.1

       27 July 2020 at 7:54 pm

       Very true – too many people had to rely on the wage subsidy (which they know national would never have provided) while watching the boss class hang on to their million dollar salary. Neo lib economics in the raw. Given that the truly priviledged make up only about 10% of the population – she's got a way to go yet.
       • Draco T Bastard 5.2.1.1

         27 July 2020 at 9:14 pm

         You think JC will get National to 10% support?
         • RedBaronCV 5.2.1.1.1

           27 July 2020 at 9:37 pm

           I wish – but suspect not
   • Incognito 5.3

     27 July 2020 at 9:36 pm

     First they have to take their polls back.
6. observer 6

   27 July 2020 at 7:38 pm

   It no longer matters how rogue the poll was. What matters is that National spent today talking about it, and plan to do the same tomorrow:

   https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/422141/judith-collins-to-reveal-internal-polling-to-national-party

   The dead cat on the table is supposed to be a distraction tactic by political opponents. Not by your own party leader.
   • James 6.1

     27 July 2020 at 7:40 pm

     Yeah – thats a stupid thing for her to do. It was stupid when Andrew Little did it – and its stupid for JC to do it as well.
     • ScottGN 6.1.1

       27 July 2020 at 7:49 pm

       Unbelievably stupid. And rather undermines the narrative from National and its boosters in the media that Collins is some sort of political ace. She clearly isn’t and it’s not hard to imagine her cracking under the strain before this is all over.
       • Chris 6.1.1.1

         27 July 2020 at 9:50 pm

         "…it’s not hard to imagine her cracking under the strain before this is all over."

         Unlike her predecessor, Collins' natural tendency will be to lash out and lose her rag. Will be fun to watch. She'll then be dumped as leader after the election then she'll resign from politics altogether effective immediately, forcing a by-election in Papakura. Happy days.
7. RedBaronCV 7

   27 July 2020 at 7:50 pm

   Why are we shoving $10 mill at private training establishments? Is this just slowing down an inevitable restructure for the sector? The schools are wondering if they have enough teachers for next year – so why not adjust – use the teachers from the PTEs for our normal needs – or is that too hard.

   https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300067124/coronavirus-government-to-spend-51m-on-international-education-sector-but-says-students-will-not-return-this-year
8. weka 8

   27 July 2020 at 8:22 pm

   The vetting process for this must be pretty intense, all things considered.

   https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/122259707/three-in-the-race-to-take-hamish-walkers-seat-cluthasouthland-seat?
9. swordfish 9

   27 July 2020 at 8:27 pm

   .
   Blimey ! … Economic Management was the one issue where National felt it still enjoyed a relative advantage in terms of voter perceptions of competence. Hence, Muller & now Collins have sought to shape the campaign agenda by placing almost sole emphasis upon economic recovery … ie seeking to maximise support by playing to their perceived strengths … selectively focussing on the Party’s best / “owned” issue, where they are closest to the weight of public opinion and most trusted, while either downplaying or attempting to neutralise the significance of Labour's perceived strengths (as per Issue Ownership Theory in Political Science).

   But the latest Newshub Reid Research Poll (reinforcing similar recent findings from one or two less robust surveys) suggests they've now even lost their advantage on this issue … indeed are now at a significant disadvantage.

   Wording of the Question could’ve been better … but still … momentous stuff.

   https://twitter.com/swordfish7774/status/1287657568446238722

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