Daily review 29/09/2022

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  1. Karl Sinclair 1
    29 September 2022 at 5:46 pm

    Jacinda goes jackboot

    Well… Jacinda Ardern… I’ve voted labor all my life but now it’s time to say bye bye, why… see below

    https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1575188754071171072

    [I’ve looked and I can’t see a reason why you would stop voting Labour. I see GG going off on one and basically makings hit up about Ardern (there’s no evidence in the video for his claim that she won’t tolerate dissent). The Jackboot slur and insulting your fellow commenters will wear thing pretty quickly. You’ve been here long enough to understand how it works. It’s not FB, or twitter, you have to explain your thinking and argument. Please up your game – weka]

    • Stuart Munro 1.1
      29 September 2022 at 5:58 pm

      No freedom is absolute.

      The freedom to incite disaffected Australian terrorists to mass murder peaceable Muslims may be curtailed without apology.

      The freedom to operate dysinformatsia networks with the goal of destabilising or overthrowing government is also not unlimited.

      If some of these laws affect the wretched lying hacks that infest our news media, so much the better.

    • Anne 1.2
      29 September 2022 at 5:58 pm

      Oh, what f*****g bullshit! She was referring to the extremely dangerous misinformation and disinformation that is swirling around the internet and which is throwing up the very tyrants, authoritarians and despots he is complaining about.

      Imo, Greenwald appears to have gone off his rocker.

      • Karl Sinclair 1.2.1
        29 September 2022 at 6:08 pm

        Seems Jackboot Jacinda has got into your head

        Totalitarianism requires complete control from top to bottom

        She will be most pleased

        Remember, it’s a pandemic of the uncensored

        Happy goose steeping

        • Macro 1.2.1.1
          29 September 2022 at 6:26 pm

          :rolleyes:

          Perhaps you should look in the mirror.

          Your comments here suggest someone who is truely brainwashed.

        • Ad 1.2.1.2
          29 September 2022 at 6:58 pm

          Did you vote this week?

        • Shanreagh 1.2.1.3
          29 September 2022 at 6:59 pm

          Bit of an over reaction by both you and Greenwald. How to get things completely wrong, focus-wise, in 1 second! If either of you had been aware of the Chch terrorist, the Chch call and the swirl of mis- & dis- information culminating in the occupation at parliament perhaps your comments would be worth considering.

          'Labour'

          …..'We are not in Australia now Dr Ropata'.

        • Corey Humm 1.2.1.4
          29 September 2022 at 7:37 pm

          Greenwald lost the plot a long time ago.

          What is the issue you and he have with regulating social media monopolies? Do you think these zillion dollar companies with global reach should go unchecked?

          The very real danger the world faces right now is the incredible social experiment of having 8 billion people living in their own alternative realities curated for them by supercomputer algorithms. These algorithms have made us hate each other and believe that the truth is only truth in our world if we agree with it.

          She was talking about internet transparency and for global practices and rules for social media companies whose algorithms and data mining are doing more damage to geopolitics than anything in the history of society.

          If data mining and Social media companies and their algorithms are not regulated, broken up and taxed to high hell , globally then there is no politics, because we can't even agree on what reality is let alone debate issues.

          • weka 1.2.1.4.1
            29 September 2022 at 9:48 pm

            Good explanation. An issue up there with climate and war, weird seeing GG obfuscating.

            Is he hardcore libertarian now?

            • SPC 1.2.1.4.1.1
              30 September 2022 at 2:44 am

              He's now an independent media influencer, thus the truther (being suppressed on MSM platforms) alternative to liberal establishment/or right wing UK/US/Oz Murdoch corporate type/Herald-ZB.

              He and Russell Brand are on the new video site Rumble. Hardcore unaffiliated.

              Irony

              1. Rumble is linked to partners, such as Yahoo! and Microsoft News (money made is directly deposited into the Rumble account of the user).

              2. The platform forbids pornography, harassment, racism, antisemitism, copyright infringement, and illegal content.

              What is the difference between YouTube and Rumble?

              YouTube recommends videos for users based primarily on previously watched videos while Rumble displays videos solely in chronological order from creators that a user follows, allowing users to select what content they want to consume without influence.

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rumble_(website)

              • weka …
                30 September 2022 at 12:55 pm

                so he's ok with some kinds of restrictions on free speech. Has he specified what the objection to Ardern's proposal was? (because there's nothing in the clip). Is it an objection to governments getting involved in regulating social media companies?

                • SPC …
                  30 September 2022 at 2:22 pm

                  He's obviously OK with the restrictions against racism and anti-semitism and harassment of users of Rumble (one wonders how he will react if and when Rumble does apply those standards).

                  He is not above using Twitter to make personal attacks on Ardern, so he's a self-righteous hypocrite (pandering to right wing truthers to ink stain the noble concept of free speech values).

                  Yes, he fears regulation of social media involving censorship of "weapons of war" misinformation/disinformation.

    • bwaghorn 1.3
      29 September 2022 at 7:01 pm

      So your fine with someone live streaming themselves murdering innocent people?

      Ate you fine with pedophiles sharing photos of them brutilizing children ?

    • Patricia Bremner 1.4
      29 September 2022 at 7:57 pm

      Wow, what happened to responsibility? I though that went with freedom.

      So if you want checks and rules "You are a tyrant" What a stretch!!

      This absolute nonsense.

    • Kat 1.5
      29 September 2022 at 8:38 pm

      Voted Labor all my life……………..

      Obviously we need better security at the border…………

    • weka 1.6
      29 September 2022 at 9:43 pm

      mod note above for you Karl.

    • Karl Sinclair 1.7
      29 September 2022 at 10:12 pm

      Ok Weka, fair point

      Here’s my thinking:

      The argument against Jacinda UN speech is more nuanced than the cliche “hate speech” supporters on this website put out in her defence. In fact that kind of response by shuts down any criticism.

      The danger of her proposals are focused in the “grey zone”, where Nations play politics.

      Jacinda mentions climate change, war and personal rights in her UN speech.

      Focusing on JAs speech, she said with reference to disinformation or misinformation:

      ”how do you successfully end a war if people are led to believe it’s existence is not only legal but noble!”

      I’ll take the liberty and assume she’s referring to Ukraine?

      I don’t know how JA would assess disinformation in this context. If you consider alone that 20% of Government Republicans & Democrats in the US trade stocks having privileged information (

      probably military industries), would you trust their esteemed judgments?

      Alternatively you could assemble a further set of people (see below) who have a more nuanced, political and historical understanding that could challenge Bidens, Truss , Euroezones and Jacinda’s Government narratives.

      For example, If the below list of people had provided input in a democratic way, advising Ukraine not to join NATO,!then there is a reasonable probability the death and destruction in the Ukraine could have been avoided (60,000 Ukraines dead at present).

      The people below were opposing Ukraine joining NATO (to avoid conflict) while USA have been complicit in pushing for Ukraine to join.

      My specific worry is just how would you Jacinda (and group of experts) judge the people below.

      Have a look if you dare (I’d genuinely like to know your views)

      “Chomsky’s position on Russia-Ukraine relations is surprisingly similar to International Relations (IR) scholar John Mearsheimer’s (and to a lesser extent, Henry Kissinger’s). According to Professor Mearsheimer, the U.S. is to blame for Russia invading the Ukraine. By pressuring Ukraine to join NATO, the U.S. intensified an already tense situation. It provoked Putin to defend Russia’s security interest in keeping Ukraine out of NATO. (For more, see “Mearsheimer on Ukraine.”)”

      Noam Chomsky: article https://medium.com/statecraft-and-global-affairs/chomsky-on-ukraine-america-is-manufacturing-monsters-f136e7b217a9I’m

      Prof Jeffrey Sachs: https://youtu.be/wmOePNsNFw0

      Prof John Mearsheimer: https://youtu.be/qciVozNtCDM

      Col Douglas Macgregor: https://youtu.be/gaHa59_daGo

      Kissinger: https://youtu.be/WOZw0zGFvzI

      Alexander Mercouris: https://youtu.be/GYCNkjJ5m9k

      Additionally regarding who should be on Jacinda’s theoretical expert panel regarding war disinformation or misinformation, I would suggest not only the above but these two people as well.

      How will you judge them Jacinda….. friend or foe?)

      1. Chris Hedges: see example of his work – Chris Hedges Report: Ukraine and Crisis of Media Censorship

      Throughout the Ukraine war, Western news outlets have mindlessly parroted the opinions of a ruling elite and overseen a public discourse that is often unhinged from the real world. 

      https://youtu.be/N0H7PIJcEP0

      1. John Pilger – This Is a War of Propaganda’: John Pilger on Ukraine and Assange https://youtu.be/u9pEotvlW-s

      Have you noticed the traditional journalists of the left are now being thrown under the bus of the new “woke” agenda. Suddenly War is a good thing? Greenwald, Chomsky, Hedges, Pilger are no longer the lefts darlings

      Jacinda… think very deeply

      Is it ok 60,000 Ukrainians, 56,000 Russians & 1,000 children have died due to savage diplomacy.

      You could stop further deaths

      Take care Jacinda

      • Karl Sinclair 1.7.1
        29 September 2022 at 11:43 pm

        Weka, one last comment to explain the thinking

        Let’s face it NZ, Aus, Uk, Western Europe are all under USAs control (Chomsky effectively said this)

        Diplomatically it must be hell if your brain is truly switched on and from NZ, Europe etc dealing with the US.

        I get NZs need (we are weak & vulnerable) to follow suit with Bidens will. I think the good old US of A is an amazing place and full of awesome inspirational people. Just the fact it has all these Western Nations under there thumb is an achievement of monumental proportions (irrespective if you like it or not). However, with Ukraine I think Biden has screwed up and his risk / consequences analysis of strategy imposed works out very poor relative to Western Europe (Not US)

        My perception is…. He wants Russia & it’s resources (doesn’t really care about Ukraine), That they have done a Cost Benefit Analysis of scenarios and even if Ukraine conceded territory and US doesn’t destabilise Russia US will still win (think lease lend of arms to Ukraine, arms sales to Europe, investment in Norways gas pipeline to Europe, rebuilding Ukraine, political debt, force Eurozone away from Russia etc). The prospect of WWIII really just a side show by US used to sell arms.

        They are smart cookies

        However, and aside we can see how countries like NZ court the USA. The diplomatic process in play with exerts from Jacinda’s / Bidens transcript – show how the die is caste:

        https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2022/05/31/remarks-by-president-biden-and-prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-of-new-zealand-before-bilateral-meeting/

        Selected comments from Ardern/Biden May 2022 meeting:

        PRESIDENT BIDEN:

        And I want to, by the way, recognize New Zealand’s significant support for Ukraine, as a lot of Indo-Pacific countries are doing now. And — because this is more than just a regional war going on.

        PRIME MINISTER ARDERN:

        I also want to acknowledge your significant leadership on Ukraine and how important that has been not only to us as we’ve looked to play a role as well, but globally as we look to make sure that we strengthen the international response to what is a threat to our values and, of course, the territorial sovereignty of Ukraine.

        Again… algorithms aside Jacinda and given the backdrop of my previous comments

        Is it ok 60,000 Ukrainians, 56,000 Russians & 1,000 children have died due to this “savage” diplomacy?

        Could NZ have played a better game? Who will be judged?

        Additionally worth the read are these comments from the same speakers

        PRIME MINISTER ARDERN: Great. (Laughs.) Thank you. And we really welcome this opportunity.

        As you’ve said, we’ve spoken on several occasions. And what stood out to me on both those occasions were we traversed such similar issues, and not — not least, of course, our shared history. ………..

        We are in an incredibly difficult international environment. But also, domestically, it is extraordinarily challenging as well. And can I bring the sincere condolences of the people of Aotearoa New Zealand for what you have experienced in Texas and in New York? And it’s been devastating to see the impact on those communities.

        Our experience, of course, in this regard, is our own. But if there’s anything that we can share that would be of any value, we are here to share it.

        PRESIDENT BIDEN: Well, the work you’re doing with tech companies is really important, and I want —

        Hummmmm…. do you feel like a test case NZ

        • roblogic 1.7.1.1
          29 September 2022 at 11:56 pm

          So your problem with Ardern is based on 1000 words of muddled thinking and theories about US foreign policy?

          What nonsense.

          This government isn't perfect but it's the best we've had (or are likely to have) for a long, long time. Everyone outside NZ recognises the competence and humanity of JA. Except for a particular demographic of grumpy middle aged blokes who listen to too much gossip and slander on talkback radio.

          • Karl Sinclair 1.7.1.1.1
            30 September 2022 at 12:31 am

            So Roblogic…. Or is it just Rob

            Go watch and listen to the various websites (Hedges, Chomsky, Mearshimer etc) posted above and provide feedback…. There arguments are logical. Then relate to Ukraine and Ardern.

            It’s ok to think, its ok to change your mind

            I mean you say comments like:

            ”Everyone outside NZ recognises the competence and humanity of JA”.

            You Roblogic must have GOD like super powers to have determined that (a bit like Father Christmas… or is that insert pronoun Christmas)

            I’ll let you work out the actual numbers considering your hi IQ… your impressive

            7,977,659,451 (World) – 4,911, 481(NZ)

            In fact your logic is so sound imIm just going concede

            Top tip, run for parliament

            • SPC 1.7.1.1.1.1
              30 September 2022 at 1:15 am

              Care to demonstrate any effort to force Ukraine (Sweden and Finland) to join NATO by anyone apart from Putin himself?

            • roblogic 1.7.1.1.1.2
              30 September 2022 at 10:18 am

              Chomsky, Hedges, Pilger offer some excellent critiques of US empire, but trying to translate that into condemnation of NZ (globally a bit player) is really clutching at straws.

              The pro-Russia propaganda of the BFD and other RWNJ outlets demonstrates that they are bereft of morals

    • SPC 1.8
      30 September 2022 at 1:09 am

      Misinformation and disinformation have always been weapons of war – consider the pre D Day deception etc.

      And the practice of climate change denialists (One of them Charles Koch now admits being wrong).

      There is nothing wrong with a research study on social media algorithms, one based on balance to preventing extremist reinforcement might reduce clicks but would leave the person with a broader perspective.

    • mikesh 1.9
      30 September 2022 at 11:19 am

      Perhaps if they placed a ban on real live "weapons of war" we'd be getting somewhere.

    • theotherpat 1.10
      30 September 2022 at 12:38 pm

      seems to me she is talking about the likes of your post….deliberately misleading and misinformation.

  2. Peter 2
    29 September 2022 at 6:16 pm

    Dr Ella Henry of AUT in tv news said of Kelvin Davis' comments about Karen Chhour that, "Using our culture against us is unforgivable."

    I agree, if Davis did that he shouldn't have. He should apologise and while the incident might be unforgivable, they can move on.

    Which means any normal transmission of the use of culture against Māori by ACT Party members and supporters may be resumed.

    • pat 2.1
      29 September 2022 at 7:32 pm

      He has apologised….it matters not, in effect, the damage has been done…to both Karen Chhour and Labour's standing

      • Patricia Bremner 2.1.1
        29 September 2022 at 8:06 pm

        To his standing Pat. He was chided by his Labour members.

        • pat 2.1.1.1
          29 September 2022 at 8:11 pm

          The distinction will not be drawn

          • hetzer 2.1.1.1.1
            29 September 2022 at 8:33 pm

            Kelvin is an ex school teacher/Principal, ie not the sharpest knife in the box. A dim bulb indeed, but the reason for his position in the administration is well understood i think. Im not so sure Labour will carry the odium.

            • Blazer 2.1.1.1.1.1
              29 September 2022 at 8:42 pm

              Everyone can make mistakes….you are very good at mixing..metaphors.

            • Peter 2.1.1.1.1.2
              29 September 2022 at 9:22 pm

              Indeed not the sharpest knife in the box if he was a school teacher/Principal.

              You'd have to be really thick to take on that job. I mean look at all the scumbos you have to deal with. Not to mention the public exposure of your failure when those who want to flail you can't even get their English right.

    • Jilly Bee 2.2
      29 September 2022 at 10:21 pm

      While I’m a bit annoyed with Kelvin Davis for mouthing off about Karen Chhour in Parliament, I can see where he is coming from and he has apologised. Karen is an MP for a party which in my humble opinion is inherently racist and always happy to spout anti Māori rhetoric whenever they get the opportunity to do so, and I do find it incomprehensible for her to belong to such a political party. The ACT leader is always railing against anything which he considers to be mana enhancing to the wellbeing of Māori in general, despite him (supposedly) having Māori heritage which he didn’t acknowledge until he was forced to.

      • roblogic 2.2.1
        30 September 2022 at 10:27 am

        Well put Jilly. I assume that ACT views their trolling of Kelvin Davis and getting under his skin as a 'victory'.

        Kelvin has more mana in his little finger than the whole ACT party.

  3. joe90 3
    29 September 2022 at 7:08 pm

    Sad to hear about this bloke dying.

  4. Ad 4
    29 September 2022 at 7:39 pm

    What's the bet our Cabinet sees the light around Budget next year and makes public transport free, about a few weeks after the subsidy comes off petrol and diesel.

    Cabinet Discussed Free Public Transport To Help Households Manage Rising Costs | Newsroom

  5. joe90 5
    29 September 2022 at 7:54 pm

    Poots is concerned about NATO attacks so he's stripped his western flank of troops and sent them to Ukraine.

    /

    Of an original estimated 30,000 Russian troops that once faced the Baltic countries and southern Finland, as many as 80 percent of them have been diverted to Ukraine, according to three senior European defense officials in the region, leaving Russia with only a skeleton crew in what was once its densest concentration of military force facing NATO territory.

    “The drawdown we’ve seen from this region in the past seven months is very significant,” said one senior Nordic defense official, who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive military matters. “Russia had this ground force posture facing us for decades that is now effectively just gone.”

    https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/09/28/russia-ukraine-war-nato-eastern-flank-military-kaliningrad-baltic-finland/

  6. Belladonna 6
    29 September 2022 at 10:24 pm

    Nurses are planning 'action' where they would turn down additional shifts over and above their contracted hours. But have been warned that this is likely to be illegal.

    Nurses Organisation chief executive Paul Goulter wrote to all 35,000 of its members who worked for Te Whatu Ora / Health NZ, calling on them to only work the shifts they were contracted for next week, unless already rostered on.

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/nurses-warned-plan-to-turn-down-extra-shifts-next-week-likely-illegal/QIGZ355EZM6DCOQM2YCKOZHXKU/?c_id=1&objectid=12555261&ref=rss

    In a letter to the union, Te Whatu Ora head of people Rosemary Clements said the move was likely an unlawful strike. That was because it was a refusal to do something that was a normal part of the job.

    Unless Health NZ (or, in reality, historical DHB) contracts are significantly different to other employment contracts, I don't see how working additional hours, over and above your usual contracted work, can be a 'normal part of the job'.

    Unless you believe that nurses should never be allowed to take industrial action, this seems to me to be a very mild initial step to get Health NZ to seriously address both the chronic staffing shortages, and adequate pay for additional work.

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