Draining the swamp

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1. One Anonymous Bloke 1

   29 May 2018 at 3:41 pm

   Well that should split the National Party vote.
   • Adrian Thornton 1.1

     30 May 2018 at 10:11 am

     Yeh it looks like the soft National vote Labour have been so enthralled by has just walked out the door.
2. Anne 2

   29 May 2018 at 3:53 pm

   I like Amy Brooke’s quote at the bottom of her post:

   “The simplification of anything is always sensational.” GK Chesterton.

   I’ll say. What simplistic rubbish. I recommend a reading. Best laugh of the day.
3. Puckish Rogue 3

   29 May 2018 at 3:56 pm

   Well National rejected anything to do with Colin Craig so i doubt they’ll have anything to do with her

   Not that will stop the left trying to push it of course
   • Carolyn_Nth 3.1

     29 May 2018 at 4:06 pm

     National No-Mates will be looking for an allied party. So, I guess One NationAl will be a contender, no matter how unwelcome.

     Bradbury is pushing the line there’ll be a Mark Mitchell-led split from National to be a Nat-client party.

     So, it’s “watch this space”.
     • Puckish Rogue 3.1.1

       29 May 2018 at 4:14 pm

       Mark Mitchell maybe but anything to do with One Nation won’t happen, its electoral poison
     • Gosman 3.1.2

       29 May 2018 at 4:37 pm

       Bradbury has little insight to the workings of politics in general let alone the right.
       • Anne 3.1.2.1

         29 May 2018 at 7:24 pm

         Poppycock Gosman. She knows more than most of us. Have you forgotten she was an MP for around ten years? Since she was a controversial one as well, I’m picking her experiences would make her one of the most insightful of all of them.
         • Carolyn_Nth 3.1.2.1.1

           29 May 2018 at 7:36 pm

           Bradbury as in Bomber. Not Bradford as in Sue.

           I often disagree with Bomber. In this case, I agree the Nats are looking for a new client party. Disagree that it will most likely be led by Mark Mitchell. It will depend on what the focus groups say.
           • Anne 3.1.2.1.1.1

             29 May 2018 at 9:03 pm

             Oops… thanks for correction Carolyn_Nth. Time for a new eye test.
       • Adrian Thornton 3.1.2.2

         30 May 2018 at 10:18 am

         @Gosman, I would have to disagree with you there, in fact I would say Bradbury has some pretty insight political insights (not alway right, but then who is?)…I guess that is why he gets plenty of serious political commentators bothering to write for his site.
   • bwaghorn 3.2

     29 May 2018 at 5:07 pm

     Na Jude after the headhunters .one of her office staff was (mutant I believe) was having a meet and greet with them the other day
     • bwaghorn 3.2.1

       29 May 2018 at 5:11 pm

       http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/national/ex-national-mp-ross-meurant-to-the-head-hunters-gangs-must-join-society-or-face-becoming-exploding-underclass-of-terror

       Meurant that is .bloody auto correct
     • Ffloyd 3.2.2

       29 May 2018 at 9:47 pm

       I like mutant.
   • millsy 3.3

     29 May 2018 at 8:15 pm

     The Conservatives’ failure to crack 5% in 2014 will be regarded by future historians as NZ’s Archduke Ferdinand moment.
   • dukeofurl 3.4

     30 May 2018 at 6:43 am

     Nothing to do with Craig ?

     http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/10188943/Key-coy-on-getting-into-bed-with-Craig

     Dear leader said differently
     “”Fifty per cent of that’s done because at the start of the year, we laid out the five political parties we could deal with – UnitedFuture, ACT and the Conservatives were part of that,” the prime minister said on Breakfast.

     They eventually only turned on the Conservatives because they were tapping some of their really big donors- that had to be stopped!
     • Puckish Rogue 3.4.1

       30 May 2018 at 8:36 am

       Or, more likely, it turned out CC was nuttier than a fruitcake and Sir John Key could see which way the wind was blowing
       • alwyn 3.4.1.1

         30 May 2018 at 10:07 am

         “Sir John Key could see which way the wind was blowing”
         Indeed he could. Wasn’t that when he said about Craig
         ” When the wind is southerly, I know a hawk from a handsaw”?
         and refused to have anything more to do with him?
         • Puckish Rogue 3.4.1.1.1

           30 May 2018 at 10:09 am

           Some may argue he got some things wrong but he certainly got it right when he said no to Winnie and Colin
4. greywarshark 4

   29 May 2018 at 4:05 pm

   Know your contestant.

   http://amybrooke.co.nz/about-amy-brooke/

   https://bsa.govt.nz/decisions/230-decision-number-1995-092
5. adam 5

   29 May 2018 at 4:40 pm

   What NZ politics really needed was more right wing bottom feeders…
   • paul andersen 5.1

     29 May 2018 at 7:23 pm

     they can try and out-redneck each other, in a race to claim the vote of the bitter old white male.
6. mikes 6

   29 May 2018 at 11:05 pm

   What evidence do you have to back up your claim that Tommy Robinson is a “far right thug”? Because I’m calling you out on that BS. The reason he quit the EDL was because of infiltration by the far right into the organisation. Neo Nazis hate him for goodness sake. He is constantly labelled racist simply for expressing views that aren’t controversial, when in fact if you do a bit of research you will find he has always been passionately anti-racist.

   I notice you didn’t have anything bad to say about the Muslim grooming gang, on trial charged with gang rape of a young girl, which he was trying to ensure the public were made aware of when he was arrested outside the court for filming the offenders going into court.

   In regards to the “attempted undermining of a case brought against a white supremacist who was found guilty of engaging in a terrorist attack on users of a North London Mosque.”

   Firstly, before anyone tries to suggest I sympathise with Darren Osborne, I can categorically state that I don’t in any way shape or form. He committed a disgusting and heinous crime and deserves to spend the rest of his life in prison.

   Secondly, he wasn’t found guilty of a terrorist attack as you’ve stated, he was found guilty of murder and attempted murder. Fake news comes to mind.

   Some points about the case in the context of Tommy Robinson’s involvement, which you have suggested in your article. (He wasn’t implicated by the way, which might suggest the prosecution implied some sort of indirect involvement. It was explicitly stated in court that he had personally contacted Osborne in the weeks leading up to the crime, which directly implies he had involvement in the crime)

   – The prosecution opened the trial saying Darren Osborne (the murderer) had in the weeks leading up to his attacks, been receiving personal twitter and social media messages from Tommy Robinson, implying that Robinson had had something to do with the attack or that Osborne had been somehow ‘radicalized’ by Robinson. This is completely false and downright lies.

   – this lie was subsequently published in huge headlines by all of the major media in Britain. As a result of this, Death threats were made against Robinson, which he’s used to, but the worst ones were against his family. His young children being threatened with rape and beheading were some of the sickest.

   – It came to light later, that Robinson has never messaged, emailed or contacted Osborne, doesn’t even know the guy. Two days later the prosecution ‘clarified’ what they’d said at the start of the trial and stated that in no way did they mean to suggest that Robinson had personally contacted Osborne. Of course as we know, mud sticks and it’s too late once the headlines have already been out in the world for two days. The threats against Robinson’s family didn’t stop.

   – You’d think that the police and prosecutors in Darren Osborne’s trial might have also suggested or mentioned that rather than being swayed personally by Robinson to do what he did, a possible motive for the murders he committed could have been the 5 people killed and 48 injured in the Westminster attack, 8 people killed and 49 injured in the London Bridge attack and 22 people including children killed and over 500 people injured in the Manchester attack all carried out by Islamists within a 5 week period leading up to Osborne’s attack.

   – Some media in the UK tried to suggest that Osborne had been radicalized in just one month by reading articles and watching things such as Tommy Robinson videos online. Rubbish. Show me even just one video of Robinson being interviewed or one of his own videos online where he even suggests, let alone preaches or encourages the use of violence in any way, shape or form. His message has always been anti-violence.

   – At least they did describe the catalyst for his crimes as being the BBC documentary Three Girls, which focused on the grooming and sexual abuse of young girls in Rochdale by Pakistani Muslim men.

   – Watch the interviews in question for yourself (they’re on YouTube) and you’ll quickly see what a complete crock this “attempted undermining” bullshit is and how laughable the suggestion that these interviews could have affected the Jury or allowed Osborne to go free.

   You should try doing a bit of research on Tommy Robinson, you’ll find a history of disgusting, corrupt action by the police against him and his family.

   If you ever get the chance to visit Luton, Robinson’s home town and the reason for his position on islamic extremism, you will be completely shocked I can assure you, just as I was when I visited there 3 years ago. When you learn about what has happened in Luton, including Robinson’s sister who was ensnared, drugged and gang raped by a Muslim sex grooming gang, it may give you more of an understanding of what Robinson is actually opposing and why he is so passionate about it.

   – Khalid Masood (Westminster attacks) lived and learned his hate in Luton for years before moving to Birmingham.
   – A group of five extremists connected to the lovely Anjem Choudary (unlike Robinson, this guy really is an extremist) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anjem_Choudary practiced their hate in Luton.
   – The 7/7 attackers met with unknown person/s in Luton before carrying out their attacks.
   – In 2010 Swedish student Taimour Abdulwahab blew himself up in central Stockholm after attending university in Luton and being radicalized in Luton.
   – in 2013 four men were jailed for plotting to send a remote-controlled car carrying a bomb into Luton town’s base for the Territorial Army — a British volunteer reserve force.
   – More recently there have been reports of entire families leaving Luton to join ISIS in Syria.
   – Last year Junead Khan, from Luton, whose uncle, Rajib, was jailed for supporting ISIS, was jailed for life for plotting to run down and execute a U.S. serviceman.
   – Waheed Majeed. who had been Omar Bakri’s (Hate preacher and ISIS recruiter) driver and secretary in Luton became the first British suicide bomber in Syria.
   – Abdelhamid Abaaoud, chief plotter and perpetrator of the atrocious Paris terrorist attacks, was linked by MI6 to a Luton based Jihadist group.
   – Khuram Butt, the ringleader of the London Bridge terrorists was an al-Muhajiroun (Luton Extremist group) member and regular visitor to Luton.
   – On the streets of Luton, Istiak Alamgir, the leader of a Jihadi group and now in Jail for terrorist plots, was allowed to portray himself as God’s messenger, and to twist the truth for over a decade. Only Tommy Robinson spoke out and opposed him. The police harassed and arrested and bullied Robinson, not Alamgir.

   I can’t even begin to imagine how it would feel if this exact same thing was happening but in my home town or suburb of Auckland rather than a suburb or town just outside London. My first thought is of course that this simply wouldn’t happen here it’s just too completely insane. But that’s probably what anyone would have thought about Luton too.
   • adam 6.1

     29 May 2018 at 11:52 pm

     Anyone who thinks Darren Osborn is not a terrorist, has some serious issues with reality.

     Here have a dose of reality.
   • Sanctuary 6.2

     30 May 2018 at 7:54 am

     Wow, stare into the swamp long enough and eventually the swamp will come over and post offensive nonsense.
7. Sabine 7

   30 May 2018 at 1:07 am

   oh my
   a new friend for National?
8. DB 8

   30 May 2018 at 6:49 am

   We needed some comic relief since Colin’s gone. This one is a doozy.

   A self described ‘laughaholic’ it’s gonna be easy to roast her as she writes her own jokes.

   “her advice is often sought because it can be relied on as being impartial and full of common sense”

   “Everyone’s needs are different, and can change at various times in your life, so I endeavour to identify and analyse your specific requirements” – namely, being white.

   Her fans also write material for her:

   “We found Kym to be very sensible and honest, and thoroughly recommend her services to our family and friends.”
   (removed)
   West Harbour, Auckland.

   We’re saved! There is no I in Kym…
9. Sanctuary 9

   30 May 2018 at 7:31 am

   All this talk of setting up astro-turf parties to manipulate the electoral system are doomed to failure.

   The first reality is the polarisation of the NZ electorate. No party can poll much above 45%, with our voting public almost evenly split between the notional “left” and the right. Setting up a new party on the right would just cannibalise National’s vote and would merely repeat for National in opposition the same headache the Greens caused Labour – a horse race obsessed MSM dominated by FPP dinosaurs reporting on a two party race where the governing party is “far ahead” in the polls.

   Secondly, the electoral history of elite cadre splinter parties with no organic support is poor. They usually never survive beyond one or two elections, for the simple reason there is no public appetite for these sort of political charades.

   Thirdly, both Labour and National have a deadly fear of losing their monolithic status. That is, as ideologically exhausted establishment parties of the neoliberal elite they both have a pathological desire to shut out any sort of muscular ideological newcomer who might expose the tired emperors for their lack of clothing. National offers more of the same, whatever the “same” was when they came to power, with that faint smell of boiled cabbage we all associate with decay and morbidity. They have a bias to inaction, the ideological prejudices of a repressed 1950s accountant and in government adopt a program of cronyism and middle class judgmentalism as a substite for policy. Labour offers mild reform of the excesses of neoliberal globalism, middle class welfare with a pink tinge and a craven ideological cowardice that means once they exhaust the slight stocks of courage they built up in opposition they lapse into a do-nothing managerialism centred on saving their own political skins in the next electoral defeat. Neither party relishes sponsoring the sort of feisty, popular ideologically vigorous party of the left or the right that might actually do well.

   To sum up, polarisation, electoral realities and the morbidity of the current dominant poliitcal elites all bias against the successful creation of a viable partner party for National or Labour.
   • Puckish Rogue 9.1

     30 May 2018 at 9:08 am

     Overall I agree with most of your points though I do think a rural based blue aligned party could be a goer as long as it didn’t stray too far from its rural roots plus it would almost certainly be the final nail in the coffin for NZFirst (which would be a bonus)
10. greg 10

    30 May 2018 at 9:08 pm

    https://youtu.be/2E2ihEO8SO8
11. Carol Sakey 11

    31 May 2018 at 9:21 pm

    Kym at least has the courage and guts to state what the majority of New Zealanders think. Yes a courageous passionate person who cares about all New Zealanders.
12. Carol Sakey 12

    31 May 2018 at 9:26 pm

    Kym is the best All New Zealanders have. She believes and advocates All New Zealanders.

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