First year of study free launched by Prime Minister Ardern

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Free study for everyone from next year, for first year.

No age restrictions.

Apprentices get two years free.

80,000 people starting off a new life, aiming for higher productivity.

Prime Minister Ardern, launching it at Aotea College, said to the 500-odd students in the assembly: “How many of you when you finish up in school plan to do some kind of education or training?

“We can prepare you by giving access to education or training, so we are launching here today, your first year of study will be absolutely free.”

She said the policy would help not only secondary school students, but also factory floor workers about to be replaced by machines.

“This is the beginning of us meeting the challenges of the future, but it’s also about investing in your future. Enjoy your next stage of education.”

My kind of government.

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  1. Stunned Mullet 1
    5 December 2017 at 1:27 pm

    Any word on the nuts and bolts of how this will be charged/reimbursed.

    • McFlock 1.1
      5 December 2017 at 2:09 pm

      Why? If you need specific advice on how to administer the finances of your tertiary institution, I suggest you ask the ministry of education rather than commenters on a blog site.

      If you are planning on embarking on a course of tertiary study for the first time, your institution of choice will provide you information on the enrolment process.

      • Stunned Mullet 1.1.1
        5 December 2017 at 2:30 pm

        🙄

      • Michael who failed Civics 1.1.2
        5 December 2017 at 4:15 pm

        The devil is always in the details with Labour policies, while it seems the bureaucrats who are supposed to administer the policy don’t know ithose details either. Meanwhile the voracious universities and polytechnics (need to pay their vice-chancellors’ latest [ay increases before Christmas) are happily whingeing that the policy is a cock-up. Meanwhile Nat MPs are retailing middle class whinges along the lines of: “why should next year’s first time students get something for nothing when I didn’t?” Unless theimplementation of this policy is handled flawlessly it will damage Labour among its core middle class constituency. That is a shame because making tertiary education affordable is a worthwhile policy for a government wanting to convince voters that it is keen to repudiate excesses of neoliberalism (but not so far as it will actually cost any of the middle classes anything).

        • McFlock 1.1.2.1
          5 December 2017 at 5:24 pm

          Not all that much devil there. First years are free next year. Currently institutions charge a percentage to the student and the rest to the government. Doesn’t take an advanced degree in accounting to change the percentage.

  2. Sanctuary 2
    5 December 2017 at 1:32 pm

    The middle-class MSM will focus on university for 18-19 year olds. But the real revolution is going to be in trades, diplomas and retraining.

    At last, a concrete step towards raising productivity.

  3. Heather Grimwood 3
    5 December 2017 at 1:52 pm

    This detailed and easily understood policy shows real understanding of the situation of many…a real credit to the instigators.
    Seldom do those who can sail through expenses required for further education comprehend the position of those who can’t.
    For all those who will benefit : make the most of this great opportunity…you are now really privileged….every good wish ( and ensure you vote in 2020!).

  4. Bill 4
    5 December 2017 at 2:07 pm

    “If you’re not a recent school leaver, and you’ve done less than half a fulltime year of education or training, you also qualify.”

    Unfortunately then, for all the mature students who dropped out of study because of debt, or because of age restrictions imposed by the National led government…no way back in.

  5. alwyn 5
    5 December 2017 at 2:15 pm

    Is the policy going to pay for the Students Association levies and so on?
    At most Universities they are pretty well still compulsory I gather.

    Pity I am not eligible. I could almost be tempted to study something new in my old age. Medieval European music or something like that.

    • Stunned Mullet 5.1
      5 December 2017 at 2:32 pm

      I was thinking of some classics papers for a laugh.

    • Nick 5.2
      5 December 2017 at 2:49 pm

      You could study politics alwyn.

      • One Anonymous Bloke 5.2.1
        5 December 2017 at 3:37 pm

        😆

        Burn.

      • alwyn 5.2.2
        5 December 2017 at 3:51 pm

        That is not an academic course.
        It seems to have become a trade course for budding MPs.

        For far to many people it is a Pol Sci degree, a job working for an MP, a place in a Minister’s office, getting onto the party list and then buggering around in Parliament.
        Every Party, in every Parliament is being taken over by those drones.

        Give me someone like Key who had a proper career and then went into politics in his 40’s rather than someone like Hipkins who has never had a proper job in his life.

        • Reality 5.2.2.1
          5 December 2017 at 3:58 pm

          And Bill English has had how many “proper jobs”?

          • alwyn 5.2.2.1.1
            5 December 2017 at 4:05 pm

            Probably only one.
            I don’t know if he worked anywhere other then Treasury before he entered Parliament. He was only about 28 when he went into Parliament.
            I’m not sure I would count summer holidays on the farm although he learned, and hasn’t forgotten, how to shear a sheep.
            Never did manage to get the hang of that myself, although I tried a few times.

        • McFlock 5.2.2.2
          5 December 2017 at 4:01 pm

          Funnily enough, politics is the only profession where actually being trained in its nuances is somehow worse than being a rich dilettante. We expect our doctors to be trained and sober, yet apparently prefer our politicians to be drunk and incompetent. OK, I added “drunk”. Adds a certain style.

          God forbid a politician would know how legislation is formed, policy areas interact, and so on.

          • Psycho Milt 5.2.2.2.1
            6 December 2017 at 4:18 pm

            Ha! For the kind of person who’s had a “proper” job facilitating currency speculators’ attacks on his own country’s dollar, those things are trivial matters unworthy of attention. That’s what you have flunkies for.

        • odysseus 5.2.2.3
          5 December 2017 at 4:04 pm

          “Give me someone like Key who had a proper career…”. What? Like currency dealing???!!

        • One Anonymous Bloke 5.2.2.4
          5 December 2017 at 4:16 pm

          This notion of ‘proper’ jobs is interesting.

          “He said, ‘If I put you in a room, Clive, you couldn’t do anything’.

          Morris Hayes.

          For “Clive” read “Dr. Sir John Key”. If you want to go judging people’s careers, that is.

        • Drum 5.2.2.5
          5 December 2017 at 7:14 pm

          And shifting currency is a proper job?

    • Ad 5.3
      5 December 2017 at 3:18 pm

      Would be good to see you do a post here on the prospects for the New Zealand economy. You can insert classical references.

    • Draco T Bastard 5.4
      5 December 2017 at 3:28 pm

      I could almost be tempted to study something new in my old age. Medieval European music or something like that.

      Do it. You’ll probably enjoy it and also get to become an art director/critic/auctioneer/


      I do find it amusing when you RWNJs come out with what you think are worthless courses that often have careers with pay-checks far more than what you’re getting now.

      • alwyn 5.4.1
        5 December 2017 at 3:44 pm

        “come out with what you think are worthless courses”.
        What do you mean “worthless”?
        That was a perfectly serious comment. I think it would be interesting, regardless of any earning potential.

        ” with pay-checks far more than what you’re getting now.”
        I don’t know quite how to judge that. I retired nearly 25 years ago and haven’t had an actual “pay-check” since then.
        Since that time I have only earned money from our investments and from a variety of consulting jobs I am offered. They are not long term work and what I charge varies greatly depending on how interesting it seems. I don’t really care any more what I am paid. How much can you spend once you are past 70?

        What does an art critic or director earn anyway?

        • Draco T Bastard 5.4.1.1
          5 December 2017 at 5:14 pm

          Since that time I have only earned money from our investments


          Ah, so you’re a professional bludger.

          • One Anonymous Bloke 5.4.1.1.1
            5 December 2017 at 5:26 pm

            Only in the sense that Capitalism bludges by nature.

          • alwyn 5.4.1.1.2
            5 December 2017 at 7:01 pm

            “earned money from our investments
”
            Why did you leave out the rest of the sentence? Did it spoil your image to find that I was actually in demand sometimes?
            Even from a Labour Government on a number of occasions in the past.
            I merely did what the sainted Sir Michael Cullen wanted me to do of course.
            Saved to help provide for my own retirement.
            I take it you never save anything, and never invest in anything?
            And, incidentally why didn’t you tell me what the arty types can earn?

        • Ad 5.4.1.2
          5 December 2017 at 8:18 pm

          Art critics are usually paid by the column, and it’s a hobby.

          Art directors of a dealer gallery do all right.

          I did a PhD in art history with dump loads of Frankfurt Marxism, ritual theory, and German phenomenology.

          Fair to say I don’t use a lot of it now. In fact I got out fast because no one told me the pay was crap and the curators made the neuroses of Handbag Labradoodles look like the Dalai Lama on Kaitaia’s finest hash brownies.

          • alwyn 5.4.1.2.1
            5 December 2017 at 9:08 pm

            Well that certainly destroys any illusions I might have got from DTB’s comment at 5.4.
            That is information that was what Stephen Joyce wanted tertiary institutions to provide to their prospective students. He wanted them to be told what the course they were committing so much time and money to would mean to their future. Seemed a good idea to me.
            At my stage of life it wouldn’t matter of course. Any Music study I did would be purely for my own enjoyment.
            The image you offer in the final sentence is certainly a striking one though. I think it will make me check that I have a clear unobstructed path to the outside door when I visit any Gallery. Charles Manson may have had a brother running an Art Gallery.

    • Tricledrown 5.5
      5 December 2017 at 3:50 pm

      Why are you not eligble Alwyn.

      • alwyn 5.5.1
        5 December 2017 at 3:54 pm

        Far, far too many years of study already. You aren’t allowed to have had more that six months prior post-school study or suchlike.

    • Tricledrown 5.6
      5 December 2017 at 3:52 pm

      Alwyn student association levies have long gone.

      • alwyn 5.6.1
        5 December 2017 at 3:59 pm

        What I was thinking of was this fee. From Auckland University they mention

        “In addition to the tuition fees below, there is a Student Services Fee of $6.78 per point, estimated at $813.60 for full time study (120 points).”
        https://www.auckland.ac.nz/en/study/fees-and-money-matters/tuition-fees/undergraduate-domestic-fees.html

        That is the equivalent of the old Student Association Isn’t it?

        • Tricledrown 5.6.1.1
          5 December 2017 at 5:14 pm

          Democratically elected service provider cheap healthcare student job search sports career advice counselling and many buildings cheap at $15 pw.
          Helping students stay in education.

          • alwyn 5.6.1.1.1
            5 December 2017 at 6:53 pm

            In other words yes it is the old Students Association Levies.
            It was the University’s way of helping the Students Association get round the voluntary membership of the Association.
            Just make the fee compulsory and hand the money over to the left wing Labour MPs in training to practice on.
            It is certainly not cheap if you don’t want to use ANY of the facilities is it?

    • red-blooded 5.7
      5 December 2017 at 6:56 pm

      Yes, alwyn, the policy covers SA fees.

      • alwyn 5.7.1
        5 December 2017 at 9:11 pm

        Thank you for the info.
        It doesn’t apply to me of course but I was curious whether it was all inclusive.
        I have grand-children who may be affected in a few years.

  6. marty mars 6
    5 December 2017 at 4:35 pm

    What does this term ‘raising or aiming for higher productivity’ mean in the context of this initiative? Is it that people won’t be sitting on their bums or that they’ll get better jobs and make more money potentially, or something else? I can’t quite fathom it sorry.

  7. savenz 7
    5 December 2017 at 4:59 pm

    I can already see a hitch if the aim is to get Kiwi citizen’s trained up.

    People on work visas entitled to fees-free apprenticeships and industry training

    http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2017/12/people-on-work-visas-entitled-to-fees-free-apprenticeships-and-industry-training.html

  8. James 8
    5 December 2017 at 5:02 pm

    Looks like it’s limited to 12k – but that’s got to be a good help.

    • Cinny 8.1
      5 December 2017 at 5:14 pm

      Far out yes 🙂 Such good news for those who want to be educated but simply can’t afford it.

  9. David Mac 9
    5 December 2017 at 8:59 pm

    I think it’s a positive move towards addressing what the future holds for us. The menial jobs are disappearing. Google are coding us up taxi drivers.

    • BM 9.1
      5 December 2017 at 9:30 pm

      The future will be no children unless approved by the state.

      Breeding people to sit around and do nothing is pointless and will lead to the collapse of society unless controls are put in place.

      Probably got about 10-15 years before some seriously hard calls need to be made.

      • David Mac 9.1.1
        5 December 2017 at 9:40 pm

        Yep, that’s one visualisation of the future.

        I’m reluctant to subscribe. I’m frightened that if I was to over visualise a dire future I’d arrive at the conclusion: “Why bother getting there?”

        I’d rather get through the day with a zing in my step. Hope springs eternal.

        • BM 9.1.1.1
          5 December 2017 at 9:44 pm

          It’s not dire, it’s just a natural progression.

          People living far far longer, most work done by computers and cyborg units, we’ve sort of made breeding a bit redundant.

          • David Mac 9.1.1.1.1
            5 December 2017 at 9:51 pm

            You seem to be throwing out the apocalypse welcome mat BM.

            i’d prefer to see us poised to enter a new age of human civilisation.

            Once were taxi drivers, today ridding Alzheimer’s.

          • McFlock 9.1.1.1.2
            6 December 2017 at 4:55 pm

            Well, two points argue against that.

            The first is that birth rates drop as standards of living increase. A society of great inequality where there are many poor people will have a population growth problem, but a developed society with no poor people would actually have an aging population problem.

            Secondly, if automation does all the work, why should the owners of the robots keep all the profits? Either they voluntarily recirculate the profits throughout the land, or their capitalist system collapses. It’s interesting that you went to “cull the population” long before you considered a non-capitalist, even currency-less, society.

      • Draco T Bastard 9.1.2
        6 December 2017 at 6:48 pm

        Breeding people to sit around and do nothing is pointless and will lead to the collapse of society unless controls are put in place.

        1. We already have people breeding others to do nothing – it’s the rich and they are destroying society.
        2. There’s actually a hell of a lot for people to do if we remove jobs – there’s research and development, care giving, health services and numerous other work that requires higher education and people being well looked after.
        3. The Earth is already over-populated due to the capitalists and their idea that they can always make more profit if there’s more people to sell to.

  10. adam 10
    5 December 2017 at 10:33 pm

    I for one am glad apprentices got a break. Would have liked them to get it totally free so they feel they can stay in NZ without debt around their necks.

    But on the whole, a good move by this government.

  11. Antoine 11
    6 December 2017 at 12:04 am

    Nice to see a bit of targeting (apprentices and trainees)

    A.

  12. Antoine 12
    6 December 2017 at 12:19 pm

    Question. Does the Govt:
    (a) forbid tertiary institutions from charging fees to students using a free year? (if so, how can it do this?) – Or,
    (b) allow them to charge, but pay the fees itself? (if so, how can it make the institution keep the fees down to a reasonable level?)

    A.

    P.S. I am not concern trolling, I am genuinely interested because I don’t know how this works.

  13. Sparky 13
    6 December 2017 at 6:07 pm

    We used to have three years free tertiary education before Labour took it away. Still a step in the right direction but not a big enough step and don’t be surprised if the Nats take it away at some point in the future.

    • Ed 13.1
      6 December 2017 at 6:08 pm

      They may find it hard to repeal.

    • solkta 13.2
      6 December 2017 at 6:11 pm

      It was National!

      • Draco T Bastard 13.2.1
        6 December 2017 at 6:28 pm

        It was the 4th Labour government that started the reforms in the 1980s:

        In the late 1980s, as had happened earlier in other areas of the public sector, the tertiary education sector was opened up to the forces of the free market. A series of competitive policies were introduced by the Labour government with the intention of making tertiary institutions more financially self-sufficient. Increasing demand for places at tertiary institutions, and pressure to expand the tertiary education system meant that the government could not be relied upon for a significant chunk of the funding required by tertiary institutions. Tertiary education in New Zealand, from 1990 onwards—in simple terms—operated on a “user pays” basis. The student loans scheme was introduced to assist students with their fee payments. Students were not happy, and mass protests, complete with banners, placards and arrests, ensued.

        • solkta 13.2.1.1
          6 December 2017 at 6:41 pm

          Oh. OK.

          • McFlock 13.2.1.1.1
            6 December 2017 at 10:21 pm

            Yep.

            Lockwood Smith signed a pledge in 1989/1990 to repeal the student loans system and lower fees again if National won the 1990 election.

            Instead they doubled down.

            The pisser is that students’ and university unions totally predicted the outcome: massive debt inflating professional fees, and keeping the disadvantaged poor and uneducated. Money that could go on education goes on marketing competitive institutions against each other. Some institutions inflate student numbers and lower course difficulty, others restrict entry to people who have had the advantage of better schooling and private tutors (sorry, “restrict academic progression to preferred courses based on academic achievement”).

            But worst of all, an education is now just a tool to get a better job. We lose blue-skies study in favour of just doing what you need to do to get a qualification that current employers think they want.

  14. Angel Fish 14
    7 December 2017 at 1:18 pm

    An education system is ONLY free when it’s CURRICULUM is made free!
    What Labour is doing is not free education, it’s tax payer funded education!
    Call it as it is! As long as the curriculum is behind curtains, education will not cannot be free!

    • Ad 14.1
      7 December 2017 at 8:07 pm

      Would it be easier for you if I said “free to the student.”

      As in, when you drive on New Zealand roads, you should say “Free to the driver”

      Or, taking out a library book, you should say “Free to the borrower”

      Or, a citizen getting an examination at a hospital, you should say “Free to the patient”

      Rather than using your actual common sense and saying “First year of education is free”
      Like an actual logical person.

      On the other hand, you can add useless words into the sentence if you like.

    • One Anonymous Bloke 14.2
      7 December 2017 at 8:12 pm

      The NZ curriculum.

      I think tax-payers should get down on their filthy knees and beg to fund education.

  15. SSG 15
    7 December 2017 at 1:46 pm

    The funny thing is that when these kids graduate, most of them are
    going to whine about Labour policy and will vote for National because
    of promise of less taxes. They won’t care to pay a fee to pass the benefit that
    they received.lol. Well I guess, it’s sad more than funny…

    • Ad 15.1
      7 December 2017 at 8:08 pm

      It’s a free country. They can, thanks to Labour, think and express what they like, and we should all just let them.

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