Hang onto our land – it’s all we’ve got left

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Steven Joyce says Labour’s opposition to the sale of 13,800ha Lochinver station to Shanghai Pengxin is based on “xenophobia.” The benefit from our land should stay here. Joyce’s open door  has seen rail wagons bought cheap and fixed dear, at the expense of good local jobs and crucial Kiwi skills. Labour is simply standing up for New Zealand. Good on them.

Kiwirail cut 70 jobs at Hillside  in Dunedin and Lower Hutt in Wellington in 2011. The Rail and Maritime Transport Union blames the cuts on KiwiRail’s decision not to tender for Auckland rail work and to send wagon contracts overseas.

“Four thousand to be built. That would have kept our railway wagons going for quite some time, given jobs to New Zealanders, helped actually dig this country out of the hole it’s in,” said Wayne Butson, the union’s general secretary. “The Transport Minister needs to front up and take responsibility for these proposed job losses. Inaction from Steven Joyce and KiwiRail has led to this situation,” he said.

Dunedin lobbied hard for the work and Mayor Dave Cull is angry.

“This is frankly a form of economic vandalism. What are we mounting here? An economic development strategy for China,” Cull said.

So what happened to all the wagons in  2012. Apparently their wheels are skidding, and  Chinese workers had to be imported recently to fix them in Picton.

Skidding wheels – sums up Steven Joyce’s economic development strategy.

I think a much better strategy is to use our land to value add to its produce, and use our skills to build fit for purpose on a whole-of-life strategy, and keep good jobs here. I don’t think that’s xenophobia.

 

77 comments on “Hang onto our land – it’s all we’ve got left”

  1. srylands 1

    S what changes to the Overseas Investment Act will Labour make to stop farm sales? Is Labour planning to seek a mandate for such changes at the election?

    As for the rail thing – get over it – the local option was never competitive. There was no alternative to the Chinese tender. Do you think this is Muldoon circa 1982? It is 2014.

    • Weepus beard 1.1

      I’m not expert in economics, but you really appear to be an economic imbecile. What are your credentials?

      • Draco T Bastard 1.1.1

        Apparently he’s a working economist and policy wonk.

        In other words, he’s an ideological idiot who can’t see the forest for the trees.

      • greywarbler 1.1.2

        It seems that the main thing to know about economists is their tendency to posit theories and then make the world bend to fit inside the theories. The theory is paramount and not people.

        When people are mentioned in economic theory they will be presented as ruled by the grasping aspects or irrational of our nature yet the thories are based on us being perfectly rational, which is not supportable by actual evidence and observation. Again we are bent in economist’s minds to fit. And unfortunately, being people themselves who are in love with their own theories, they will bend themselves to fit their theories.

    • k j ross 1.2

      I think that if you take into account the tax that would of been collected on the work done on the wagons and the tax collected on the downstream jobs that would of been generated and supported by the work being done in Hillside, plus the GST on everything before mentioned and the government would of got a much cheaper price having a superior product manufactured here.To base the price on just the one factor rather than the total return of money to the govt and the price plus the overall effect on the economy is really unexplainable. Any private business would take into account all the factors when pricing a contract and every way that the sale or purchase could benefit the company. If the govt claims to be a business type operation what are they? the Monty Pythons of the business world?
      Real thinking person.

      • mickysavage 1.2.1

        Yep. Well put KJR. If only our supposed intellectual masters understood this as well.

        • Draco T Bastard 1.2.1.1

          They do understand it – they don’t care. For National everything revolves around making things better for the rich and if that means cheap and nasty wagons forcing more subsidised truck use then cheap and nasty wagons it’ll be.

          • Liberal Realist 1.2.1.1.1

            “For National everything revolves around making things better for the rich”

            I’d go a bit further as to say that National’s plan since they got elected in 2008 is to reap as much damage to NZ’s economy, legislative framework and social cohesion as possible, for as long as possible – while reaping some sort of benefit themselves. Point being, to manufacture crises (long and slow) where possible, is instrumental in facilitating disaster & vulture capitalism. Where it’s not manufactured, it’s out there in your face.

            To name a few:

            2008 tax cuts
            Asset sales theft
            GCSB bill
            TICS bill
            retrospective legalization of illegal spying
            Christchurch
            ECAN
            Canterbury Irrigation
            Sky City

            IMO everything nAct do while in power is to weaken NZ in preparation of imperial corporate takeover. Key & Co’s paymasters demand nothing less.

    • Colonial Viper 1.3

      As for the rail thing – get over it – the local option was never competitive. There was no alternative to the Chinese tender. Do you think this is Muldoon circa 1982? It is 2014.

      All lies Shitlands.That crappy badly made Chinese rolling stock will have to be replaced within 25 years, and will cost a bomb to keep running in the mean time. You really are a dumb thoughtless schmuck.

      • Once was Tim 1.3.1

        +1
        One of the problems propping up the so-called ‘uneconomic’ argument against rail – as offered by the Natzis – revolves precisely around the type of rolling stock used.
        There are places in NZ (where lines have been closed or mothballed) that could sustain passenger traffic based around smaller/modular bus-on-rails type units both for tourism and commuter traffic. It might even contribute to the revival of regional NZ in places
        As for the Chinese made rolling stock – Srylands obviously prefers to defer to his ideology than look at the record since their introduction. Greywarbler (1.1.2) sums it up well: making the world bend to fit inside their theories – it’s become their raison d’etre – skidding the wheels; packing the bearings with thick grease, lacquering the asbestos. Firm foundations – solid bullshit and all that.

        • greywarbler 1.3.1.1

          @Once was Tim 8.40
          It would be a great resource if the crap that gets promulgated by the economists and pollies could be captured, consolidated and turned into solid bullshit! Then some useful, sustainable resource could be had, as it is never going to run out!

          And – brilliant idea. Got any links with pictures of it being used in more intelligent parts of the globe?
          There are places in NZ (where lines have been closed or mothballed) that could sustain passenger traffic based around smaller/modular bus-on-rails type units both for tourism and commuter traffic

          • Once was Tim 1.3.1.1.1

            Strange as it may seem – I’ve considered it in some detail over the past couple of years.

            • The Wairarapa to begin with uses ex Brit rolling stock only viable during peak hours – yet many traverse the Rimutakas – often at their peril. There’s also a lot of inter-town travel as well (i.e. Featherston – Geytown – Carterton – Masterton
            • The main centres don’t have rail to their airports despite rail lines running close by (with the exception of CHC). I mean – even Dunedin ffs!
            • The tourist destinations – Rotorua line mothballed (and bits being stolen for scrap), and
            • Tauranga
              (while tranzit and NakedBus regularly run near full buses over fucked up highways).
            • The traffic between Tauranga and Te Puke (and beyond)
            • New Plymouth – Stratford
            • Picton – CHC
            • CHC – West Coast
            • CHC – Lyttleton even (calling at stops such as Woolston)
            • AKL – Whangarei
            • actually the list is quite endless.
      • RedLogix 1.3.2

        There was no alternative to the Chinese tender.

        This does rather suggest a lack of imagination – or the hallmark thinking of a zealot incapable of critical thinking.

      • Chooky 1.3.3

        +100

    • Ergo Robertina 1.4

      You’re wrong; the local option was competitive, and shown to be so back in 2010 in the Berl report that found building the Kiwirail rolling stock in New Zealand made commercial sense.
      As events have shown the analysts were spot on that rolling stock from offshore would be lower quality and have operating issues; producing them here would have built skills, jobs, and industry.

      http://www.rmtunion.org.nz/documents/downloads/kiwirail-build-in-nz/BERL_Report-Economic_benefits_of_building_rolling_stock_in_New_Zealand_Final.pdf

    • Draco T Bastard 1.5

      Is Labour planning to seek a mandate for such changes at the election?

      Well, apparently, being in government does imply such a mandate.

      As for the rail thing – get over it – the local option was never competitive.

      They cost a little bit more but would have been built better saving in downtime costs.

      There was no alternative to the Chinese tender.

      There was the choice of doing it right by making them here.

  2. Saarbo 2

    I understand that the average age of the NZ dairy farm owner is in their late 50’s, there are going to be a lot of farm sales in the next 10 years or so. Farmers will take the highest price and unfortunately foreigners who invariably have much lower interest rates combined with easier access to capital will end up owning many of these farms. We will end up being tenants in our own land if we don’t do something about this.

    • Colonial Viper 2.1

      Don’t fuss, land can always be compulsorily re-acquired or even expropriated.

      • Clemgeopin 2.1.1

        Not THAT easy or desirable in the modern world of commerce and global relations.
        The rules should be set intelligently in the beginning, not after the fact later.

        • Colonial Viper 2.1.1.1

          Just sayin’ that’s all. Sometimes when you follow the rules set by the major powers, your own people starve and are dispossessed.

          • Kiwiri 2.1.1.1.1

            Neo-liberalism introduces neo-colonisation?
            This time round, it involves not just the indigenous peoples.
            And we’re left with neither blankets nor muskets. And no treaty.

        • Draco T Bastard 2.1.1.2

          Not THAT easy or desirable in the modern world of commerce and global relations.

          Actually, it is that easy.

          The rules should be set intelligently in the beginning, not after the fact later.

          Of course they should be which is why I keep calling for a complete ban on foreign ownership in NZ. It really is the only intelligent option.

      • Steve Wrathall 2.1.2

        Worked for Mugabe

    • infused 2.2

      Farms are generally a family affair.

      • RedLogix 2.2.1

        While that may still be generally true infused – the trend over the last decade has been towards corporatised operations that bear little resemblance to the traditional family operation.

    • Ergo Robertina 2.3

      One trend is for retiring farmers to lease land to corporate dairy for huge money rather than sell – and that suits the grown-up children who get an income.

  3. Weepus beard 3

    Steven Joyce, the minister for economic development, sat on his hands for two years while competing countries raised incentives for major film production.

    Steven Joyce, the minister for economic development sat on his hands while the film production export industry withered under the heat of the high dollar.

    Steven Joyce, the minister for economic development then blamed local government and private individuals for not building infrastructure for film production in Auckland.

    This criticism came straight after signally loudly that this government was not the slightest bit interested, through their inaction, in investigating ways to support the industry.

    Then, a photo op with James Cameron. Two years too late but suddenly the incentive rules are changed overnight.

    That’s one out of three, Steven Joyce, minister for economic development. What about the other two?

  4. k j ross 4

    Every time we sell a piece of our productive farmland to an overseas owner we as a country become that much poorer. For John Key who lives in Hawaii it does not matter but to New Zealanders who live here and raise our kids here, we don’t have the option of buying farms in Iceland or Peru or Hawaii. The world market is fine for American bankers but kiwis want to live and farm in our own country. Very hard to compete with interest free loans from foreign govts when buying our own land.This is not fair in anybody’s world, we are a small country in size and one day we will wake up and find out that we are not welcome on our beaches,rivers or lakes.
    concerned citizen

    • mickysavage 4.1

      It is interesting that in Samoa and in Rarotonga the locals do not allow land to be owned by overseas interests. And they preserve their culture and their economic security. If only New Zealand would do the same …

      • Colonial Viper 4.1.1

        You can’t buy land in Israel either. It is all leased from the government.

      • Steve Wrathall 4.1.2

        So NZ should model our economic performance on our Pacific Brethren

        • felix 4.1.2.1

          Yeah, that’s the obvious implication Steve. We want the country to be owned by the people who live here, therefore we want to model our ENTIRE ECONOMY on Samoa and Rarotonga.

          🙄

        • tricledrown 4.1.2.2

          Steve Wrathall Maybe your Exclusive Bretheren

    • Tamati 4.2

      You act like we are just giving it away. We lose the value of the land but gain the the cash that was paid for it. It’s not a loss or gain, just shuffling assets on a balance sheet.

      • Murray Olsen 4.2.1

        What about the value of stuff produced on the land during the subsequent years after the sale? That will be lost to the country. You might so it already is because it goes into private hands and one capitalist is as bad as another. I reject that view because we have more freedom to make laws governing land use and sale when rich foreigners with influence in their governments aren’t involved.

        • Saarbo 4.2.1.1

          Agree Murray Olson, given potential food shortage its even a bigger issue. Also Overseas ownership affects the community, owner operated farms are a typical kiwi thing…farmers tend to mix within their own areas discussing farming techniques at field days…and this co-operation/collaboration is probably the secret to our success…I doubt that this will carry on with overseas ownership plus of course the social side of owner operated farms/family farms.

          • Tamati 4.2.1.1.1

            Your opposition to foreign ownership is that it may undermine Field Days? Seriously, if you think Field Days is the secret to out agricultural success, then you’ve clearly not spent much time on a farm.

      • Draco T Bastard 4.2.2

        Money isn’t an asset.

        • Tamati 4.2.2.1

          It is according to any accountant.

          • Draco T Bastard 4.2.2.1.1

            That just means that the accountant is as delusional as most economists.

            • Tamati 4.2.2.1.1.1

              If cash isn’t an asset, would you mind giving me all of yours? Or do you only use gold bars to buy your groceries?

              • Draco T Bastard

                Money is a tool that is used to distribute resources but is not a resource itself. The land is a resource and, most importantly, a renewable resource but not extendable.

                • Tamati

                  So we could use this ‘tool’ to invest in other renewable resources and diversify our economy, rather than forcing everyone to invest in agriculture.

              • tricledrown

                Tamati pathetic comparison they are printing money every day but land arable land is becoming less Evey year coastal erosion ,drought, desert expansion, war torn unproductive land polluted land not suitable for agriculture is disappearing IDIOT!

                • Tamati

                  As I said before, the land ain’t going nowhere. All that changes is the name on the title.

      • dave 4.2.3

        china is printing $245 billion a month that is just paper worthless paper ,gold ,land,knowledge,resources is worth more than worthless paper

  5. local Kiwi. 5

    Sorry but the Chinese have already flooded many other counties with so called business opportunities and sadly when I travelled through Africa even back in 1970 I saw Chinese small traders flooding into Nairobi Kenya.

    An African Taxi driver said watch out there is a lot of local tension around Nairobi with these Chinese he called yellow maggots, they have taken over all our stalls and craft shops here and trouble is about to erupt.

    I left that country after a couple of weeks and made my way south and never saw any more Chinese until I went to Canada, and then in Vancouver there was a news article on Nairobi of social unrest in Nairobi and many shops were attacked and burnt, and in three months the Government evicted many of the Chinese from Kenya in a purge.

    Just a lesson in History when you think forward of where we are right now folks.

    A thought provoking reflection when the balance of ethnic diversity becomes a strain on the social economic fabric of the host country as business’s are transferred from ownership of one family of people to another .

    • One Anonymous Bloke 5.1

      You seem to think the ethnicity of the overseas investor has something to do with it.

      It doesn’t.

      • Colonial Viper 5.1.1

        Not the ethnicity. The nationality. If something is occurring under the direction of the Chinese Government, or as part of a wider economic strategy put in place by the Chinese Government, that should be explicitly considered. It does no good to close our eyes and pretend that such trends are not happening.

        • RedBaronCV 5.1.1.1

          Similar to strategies used on the western border of China perhaps?

          • Colonial Viper 5.1.1.1.1

            It’s a real physical resources grab. The Chinese are smart enough to know that electronically printed money has no real value. Its ability to access real physical resources is what has real value. And that may not always be the case in the future – so acquire the real physical resources right now while people are still foolish enough to hand them over for printed bank notes.

            • Draco T Bastard 5.1.1.1.1.1

              +1111

              That’s it exactly and it’s amazing that people just don’t get it. Too long of having governments telling us that we need money to do anything when what we really need are the resources and, generally speaking, we have them.

            • Chooky 5.1.1.1.1.2

              +1111 +1

  6. Clemgeopin 6

    I think that most countries will not allow foreign entities or non resident foreign citizens who have not lived in a country for a considerable time to buy land, business or property. If at all, it would be on a lease basis or on a 49%-51% partnership basis in favour of the local citizens.

    I am not sure why our governments over the years have been plain naive in this very important fundamental issue.

    The problem is, by allowing foreigners to be owners here, not only are the locals and the country is undermined but are put in a very disadvantageous position in the long run in many ways. Once the foreign person or entity gets a foot hold, they could, over time, easily acquire more and more land, property or business by leveraging through their original primary assets.

    It is not too late to wake up and change the rules. Labour and the progressive parties should address this public interest matter very promptly and urgently now. They will ignore this issue at their own political peril.

  7. infused 7

    Post about land sales

    Talks about train sets

    ok.

  8. Dialey 8

    “Modern capitalism is masterful at producing services people don’t need and in large part probably don’t want. It is brilliant at convincing people that they do need and want them. But it has difficulty turning itself to the production of those services which people really do need. Not only that, it often spends an enormous amount of time and effort convincing people that those services are either unrealistic, marginal or counterproductive.” John Ralston Saul
    Pretty much sums up National’s economic policy

    • Draco T Bastard 8.1

      Capitalism likes to pay as little as possible for things that it can charge as much as possible for. The only things that meet that criteria are services which is why manufacturing is disappearing in developed countries. This is also why our governments over the last century or so have pushed agriculture as well – it’s cheap and easy and doesn’t require a lot of development.

      Making stuff costs too much as far as the capitalists are concerned.

  9. Chooky 9

    Great Post …and good for Labour !

    Nact have sold and are selling New Zealand and New Zealander’s rights and New Zealander’s dreams !

    …they are mercenary, venal, multinational traitors and traders without New Zealand Soul …they would sell our Soul

    ….this should be a major Election issue!

  10. ghostwhowalksnz 10

    Heres the words of the PM himself against selling dairying land to overseas ( Chinese) interests

    “More Chinese investment in New Zealand is being welcomed by the Prime Minister “as long as it’s the right type of investment”.

    John Key met with the new leader of China, Xi Jinping yesterday.

    He told the president we want Chinese money – but not to buy up precious land.

    http://www.farmingshow.com/industry/1082296713-john-key-says-china-won-t-buy-up-precious-kiwi-land

  11. Jrobin 11

    Lochinver is a sheep and beef property. This may be a swing towards other agricultural products by the market as dairy slumps, particularly the Fonterra brand of dairy. On Morning Report lasr week at 6 am approx there was an item on dairy that disappeared rapidly from sight. The International testing done on milk from landfarms in Taranaki did not come up with a clean result. The results will not be released and they would not state the levels of chemicals found just stated it was not a food safety issue. Ie it would not give you instant food poisoning to drink the milk but there were low levels of contamination. The effect of fracking on the production of safe food should be an Election issue along with other environmental concerns. Globalisation is threatening our livelihoods on so many fronts and this Government esp. its leader, may have been installed with the purpose of selling us to highest bidder. Get rid of them voters!

  12. Graham 12

    I know of 4 dairy farms nearby who have been sold to foreigners the combined value exceded this one
    The reason there wasn’t an outcry by labour was that the buyers were white
    Why do people hate Asians ?

    • thatguynz 12.1

      Or perhaps it just didn’t make the news?

      Personally I think it is economically derelict to sell them to ANY foreigners – irrespective of ethnicity, but perhaps my view differs from the MSM narrative..

    • raegun 12.2

      We only make a noise when we actually KNOW about something

  13. Poission 13

    Two response today on the foreign ownership debate.one from labour,and the second from federated farmers.

    The FF would like a register (alining us withe Australia ) of foreign farm ownership IE Facts.

    “The reality is that here, no one knows how much of our farmland or housing is foreign owned. To base critical economic policy decisions around a hunch is unacceptable.

    Maybe if Joyce had guessed a little less,he may have not been selectively culled from vetschool.

    http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA1408/S00032/joyces-bluster-distraction-from-land-sale-double-speak.htm

    http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/BU1408/S00064/farmers-concerned-over-lochinver-sale.htm

  14. Dan1 14

    How is that Steven Joyce gets to comment on everything? I have given up watching TV1 news for its bias and TV3 is not much better. Somehow Joyce gets to comment on everything, especially new announcements by Labour. The guy is a cretin who has been trained in the art of putdown rather than economic analysis. Is he seriously the best option after Key? Team Joyce?? Yeh right!

  15. local Kiwi. 15

    Steven Joyce is very familiar to media, and perhaps that is why he was alleviated up the National ladder so early.

    Joyce was first a radio broadcaster and now he is a high profile National Government broadcaster that is there to push National Party Propaganda.

    We heard also that he has interests in other media Interests.

    He founded the former Radioworks radio network, and built it up by merging takeovers of regional radio stations.

    All this until he had the entire NZ wide network.

    This occurred from the 1970s, then he merged with another major broadcast media network to form Mediaworks a few years ago.

    Nobody knows whether he actually has hidden interests in Mediaworks now as he is very shadowy.

    But as Communications Minister he cleverly brokered a $40 million dollar deal low interest loan for Mediaworks to expand their licences for another long term period so he is another John Key clone.

    A wheeler dealer and a powerful influence on National Party hierarchy due to his media prowess, and knowledge who to get onside with him.

    He is clearly becoming to aggressive, domineering and bombastic, as many inform us that they are incensed by his overpowering manner seen all to clear on The Nation just today, he should let up and allow others to contribute also.

    Another contributor likened Joyce to Margret Thatcher and another to Goebbels, Hitler’s propaganda Minister and if people continue to see this in Joyce he will actually become a liability to National and this perception may be his own undoing. I gave him the benefit of doubt after meeting him but now I am becoming somewhat saddened by his lack of control.

  16. Tanz 16

    Yeah, this is a real worry. New Zealanders being sold out.

  17. vto 17

    It is a truism of human history that a tenant community is a weak community. Even more so when the overlandlord lives in far off lands.

    A community is strongest when those that live, work and play on it own it for themselves.

    Just like in China, for one example.

    That wanker Joyce claimed land sales to foreigners are small, but they are not, they add up to around 7% each year and that is a significant number.

    That wanker Joyce also chimed “what are you gonna do? Make James Cameron sell his land?” The answer to that is bloody simple, and one which the deceiver Joyce would know himself …..

    … It is a bit difficult to force people to sell but the law can be made such that any future sale must be to NZ residents. Easy. Job Done. Buyer side reduces to match the supplier side i.e. NZ residents only. Buyer side drops from 6 billion people to 4 million people.

    The farmers will be shitting as they constantly claim only foreigners can afford their grand empires…………which is a claim frightening in its ignorance…… maybe other New Zealanders could afford to buy the farms then too…..it aint as if the income off the farms would drop, just the cost to buy them, which means less interest payable to bank loans too, which means more money in our back pockets.

    There is no benefit to foreigners owning our land and property. None.

  18. Shrubbery 18

    I’m no economist, and looking to play devil’s advocate here rather than actually be practical:

    What if we just declare that all that has been taken from us is owned by the NZ Government again? As in, all at once, repossess all the sold assets and all the foreign owned land?
    How huge would the backlash be?

  19. aerobubble 19

    They talk about competitive advantage, but really what hope do we have against the competitive advantage larger countries have to print money.

    • aerobubble 19.1

      We should own as much overseas, as overseas own of us. The growing imbalances harms us all.

  20. Dale 20

    Just wish bloody Fontera would stop buying all those overseas farms. Especially in China.

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    The Operation Burnham inquiry continued to question senior NZDF staff today, and their shoddy coverup over their knowledge of civilian casualties continue to fall apart. If you recall, first, we were asked to believe that it was all a series of "mistakes and errors": a senior officer with multiple degrees ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    3 days ago
  • If we are to avoid making the earth uninhabitable, we need to rapidly decarbonise our civilisation, and cut emissions to zero as quickly as possible. This seems like an impossible task, but its not. Pushing hard on a few technologies and trends will let us halve emissions in a decade:Greenhouse ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    3 days ago
  • A further attack on transparency
    The Local Government Act 2002 Amendment Bill (No 2) had part of its committee stage yesterday. its a generally tedious bill about the nitty-gritty of local government reorganisation. But it includes a clause making the Local Government Commission subject to the Ombudsmen Act, and hence the OIA. Great! Except of ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    3 days ago
  • Ihumātao and Treaty settlements
    Yesterday Ihumātao's mana whenua reached a consensus that they would like their land back, and asked the government to negotiate with Fletcher's for its return. The government's response? Try and undermine that consensus, while talking about how doing anything would undermine existing Treaty settlements. The first is just more bad ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    3 days ago
  • Protecting our history
    Its Suffrage Day, the 126th anniversary of women winning the right to vote (but not stand in elections) in New Zealand. And to celebrate, the government has bought Kate Sheppard's house in Christchurch:The government has bought Kate Sheppard's former home in Christchurch for more than $4 million. The Ilam villa ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    3 days ago
  • Climate Change: Ostracising the coal-burners
    The UN climate summit is happening in new York next week, and unlike previous years, coal-burners and denier-states are not being invited to speak:Leading economies such as Japan and Australia will not be invited to speak at next week’s crunch UN climate change summit, as their continued support for coal ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    3 days ago
  • Jojo Tamihere Salutes Herr Goff.
    Get Back Jojo! The elation in Mayor Phil Goff’s camp may be easily imagined as they watched social media light up in indignation at challenger John Tamihere’s "Sieg Heil to that" quip. Just when JT’s notoriously right-wing, sexist and homophobic stains were beginning to fade back into his ‘colourful’ past, ...
    3 days ago
  • Hard News: A fun but flawed weed documentary
    Patrick Gower is good value when he's high. Not that I've ever, you know, got stoned with him. But in the second part of his documentary Patrick Gower on Weed, he does what you'd expect in a modern weed documentary and immerses himself – first with a doctor, then a ...
    4 days ago
  • Candidate Survey: Western Bay of Plenty – Local Body Elections 2019
    We surveyed candidates on their attitudes to issues facing the Western Bay Region, find out what they think: “Closing the Gap” Tauranga, one of the area groups of Income Equality Aotearoa NZ Inc., has surveyed all candidates in the three local body elections to discover attitudes to some basic issues ...
    Closing the GapBy Tracey Sharp
    4 days ago
  • Project Nettie calls on scientists to defend biology
    Please spread widely, and sign, to support science and rationalism over the new irrationalism sweeping universities and institutions.  PROJECT NETTIE Sexual reproduction, the generation of offspring by fusion of genetic material from two different individuals, evolved over 1 billion years ago. It is the reproductive strategy of all higher animals ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    4 days ago
  • I’m glad I don’t live in Auckland
    Just when I was thinking that Palmerston North's mayoral race (which includes a convicted child molester / public wanker and a convicted child beater) was the worst in the country, Auckland mayoral candidate John Tamihere opened his mouth:Auckland mayoral candidate John Tamihere is being slammed for using the words "sieg ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    4 days ago
  • Index of Power Update, 2018-19: China #2
    We reprint below an article from the excellent website the Economics of Imperialism by Tony Norfield This is an update of the statistics for my Index of Power, using data for 2018-19 and discussing what a country’s ranking reflects. The major change is that China’s rank has shifted up and ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    4 days ago
  • Climate Change: A history lesson
    Why is New Zealand climate change policy so crap? The Herald this morning has a long article on the twists and turns of climate change policy in New Zealand [paywalled / depaywall script], which shows where we've been. The short version is that the government first began worrying about this ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    4 days ago
  • What the All Blacks Mean to Us
    The All Blacks have been, for more than a century, arguably the most successful International sports team in the world. But they are more than that; even for those Kiwis who are immune to the charms of rugby (and there are more than a few), the All Blacks are ambassadors ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    4 days ago
  • No one is born into the wrong body
    A short and incredibly powerful speech from a young lesbian woman. No one is born in the wrong body. ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    5 days ago
  • Contempt
    Back in June, the UK Court of Appeal ruled that that country's continued arms sales to Saudi Arabia were unlawful. So you'd expect that the UK government stopped approving them, right?Of course not:The government has apologised for breaching a court ruling against the sale of weapons to Saudi Arabia that ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    5 days ago
  • Covering up the cover-up
    Yesterday NZDF officials were put on the stand about the lies they had told over Operation Burnham, making implausible claims that it was all a big mistake. But along the way, we learned they had already been put on the spot about it by a previous Defence Minister, who had ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    5 days ago
  • Not as important as they think they are
    Farmers have been whining a lot lately, about the methane targets in the Zero Carbon Bill, about Canterbury's proposed nitrogen limits, and about the government's new proposals to stop them from shitting in our lakes and rivers. These policies are "throwing farmers under the tractor", they will force farmers off ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    5 days ago
  • Behind Every Good Woman Should Stand – Another Good Woman.
    Alone, Alone, All, All, Alone: To argue that the Prime Minister is the victim of her advisers’ failure to keep her informed may offer Jacinda some measure of exoneration – but only at the cost of casting her as a hopeless political ingénue. A star-dusted muppet, whose only purpose is to ...
    5 days ago
  • Poor quality, poorly educated kiddie ‘Journalists’ spreading fake news
    In times of hysteria about the “World coming to an end” and “rising sea levels” so-called ‘Journalists’ who can barely spell words longer than four letters are having a ball! Though the majority of the Public have worked out that manmade climate change is nothing short of pseudo-science, and the ...
    An average kiwiBy admin@averagekiwi.com
    5 days ago
  • Chris Trotter on the BFD
    I don't want to give pblicity to certain parts of the internet that are better left to fester in their own irrelevance (I know, a bit like this place) but the listing of Chris Trotter as a 'author' on Cameron Slater's spinoff website, the BFD requires some explanation.Now, I don't ...
    6 days ago
  • Sex is not a spectrum
    The text below is a Twitter thread by Heather Heying that explains the essence of sexual reproduction and it long evolutionary history. She is an evolutionary biologist and a “professor-in-exile” after she and her husband, Bret Weinstein, stood up to supporters of an enforced “Day of Absence” for white staff and teachers ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    6 days ago
  • Climate Change: Trees, aviation, and offsets
    With crunch time for new Zealand climate policy approaching, most of the New Zealand media have got on board with a global reporting effort to cover the issue. There's one strand of stories today about polling and what it shows about changing public attitudes to the crisis, but the strand ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 days ago
  • Pissing-Off The Israelis Is A High-Risk Strategy.
    Dangerous Foes: For those readers of Bowalley Road who feel disposed to dismiss any prospect of an Israeli destabilisation of New Zealand politics, the example of the United Kingdom repays close attention. Ever since the election of Jeremy Corbyn as leader of the British Labour Party, the Israelis have sanctioned, funded and ...
    6 days ago
  • Something to go to in Wellington
    Make It 16, the youth-led campaign to lower New Zealand's voting age, is holding an official campaign launch at Parliament this Friday from 16:30. If you'd like to attend, you can register using EventBrite here. ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 days ago
  • A founding member responds to Peace Action Wellington
    by Don Franks It was a lovely sunny Wellington afternoon with blue skies above  the beaches.  In Courtenay Place, political activists packed out a stuffy upstairs room for an important meeting. The assembled pacifists, anarchists, communists and independent young radicals of Peace Action Wellington felt the need for a mission ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    6 days ago
  • “Mistakes and errors”
    Current and former NZDF top brass are being publicly grilled this week by the hit and run inquiry over their public responses to allegations of civilian casualties. Previously, they've claimed there were no casualties, a position which led them to lie to Ministers and to the public. Now, they're saying ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 days ago
  • “Homosexuality is same-sex attraction and relationships, not heterosexuals with delusions of gende...
    by Rafael D. Quiles (gender-critical gay man from Puerto Rico) The writing on the wall is right in people’s faces and people just don’t see it or don’t want to. What could actually possess a heterosexual male to want to feminize himself and claim that he is a lesbian? Because ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    7 days ago
  • Trump: “Where’s my favourite dictator?”
    From the Wall Street Journal:Inside a room of the ornately decorated Hotel du Palais during last month’s Group of Seven summit in Biarritz, France, President Trump awaited a meeting with Egyptian President Abdel Fattah Al Sisi. Mr. Trump looked over a gathering of American and Egyptian officials and called out in ...
    1 week ago
  • Magdalen Burns, 1983-2019, fighter for women’s liberation
    by the Redline blog collective At Redline we are very saddened to hear of the death of Magdalen Burns who passed away on the morning of Friday, September 13 (British time). Magdalen was a great fighter for the rights of women in general and lesbian women in particular, a defender ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    1 week ago
  • Parliament and the Executive
    The Brexit issue has certainly brought with it a series of apparently difficult constitutional issues, many of them concerning the respective roles of the executive and parliament. Most of them arise because of the unwillingness of MPs, despite their professions to the contrary, to be bound by a constitutional rarity ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    1 week ago
  • The Abigail Article; Martyn Bradbury’s Article, and My Response
    . . This blogpost is different to my usual format of reporting on issues… Since July 1011, I have blogged on a variety of political issues; near always political and/or environmental; mostly highly critical of the previous National Government. Other issues included Israeli occupation of Palestinian lands and repression of ...
    Frankly SpeakingBy Frank Macskasy
    1 week ago
  • Police will have to wear silly Buckingham Palace hats from now on, says Police Minister
    Those close to the Police Minister believe the initiative may be the result of Nash “seeing a great deal” on AliExpress. In a move that comes seemingly out of nowhere, Police Minister Stuart Nash announced this afternoon that he expects all frontline staff to don bearskin hats, famously worn by ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • A sensible crackdown
    The government has released its Arms Legislation Bill, containing the second tranche of changes to gun laws following the March 15 massacre. And it all looks quite sensible: a national gun register, higher penalties for illegal possession and dealing, tighter restrictions on arms dealers and shooting clubs, and a shorter ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • California bans private prisons
    Private prisons are a stain on humanity. Prison operators explicitly profit from human misery, then lobby for longer prisons terms so they can keep on profiting. And in the US, prison companies run not only local and state prisons, but also Donald Trump's immigration concentration camps. Faced with this moral ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Why PPPs are a bad idea
    When National was in power, they were very keen on Public-Private Partnerships (PPPs) - basicly, using private companies to finance public infrastructure as a way of hiding debt from the public. They were keen on using them for everything - roads, schools, hospitals. But as the UK shows, that "service" ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • A Movement That No Longer Moves.
    Moving And Shaking: There was a time when people spoke matter-of-factly about the “labour movement” – a political phenomenon understood to embrace much more than the Labour Party. Included within the term’s definition was the whole trade union movement – many of whose members looked upon the Labour Party as ...
    1 week ago
  • NZ ‘left’ politically embracing extreme postmodernism
    by Philip Ferguson Much of the left, even people who formally identify as marxists, have collapsed politically in the face of postmodern gender theory of the sort pioneered by American philosopher Judith Butler. For Butler even biological sex is socially constructed. “If the immutable character of sex is contested, perhaps ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    1 week ago
  • The obvious question
    The media is reporting that the (alleged) Labour party sexual assaulter has resigned from their job at Parliament, which means hopefully he won't be turning up there making people feel unsafe in future. Good. But as with everything about this scandal, it just raises other questions. Most significantly: why the ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • The moment I found out that you found out, I acted swiftly
    By Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern I am every bit as angry as you are. I am every bit as disappointed as you must be. The people with power, oversight and the ability to do something about these processes within the Labour Party should be ashamed. Whoever those people are, I ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • This is why people hate property developers
    Property developers think there is an "oversupply" of houses in Auckland:High turnover rates and falling prices may be a sign that there are too many new houses going in to some parts of Auckland, commentators say. [...] Property developer David Whitburn said there was a "bit of an oversupply" in ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Australia to Pacific: “Fuck you, you can all drown”
    World leaders are meeting in New York in two weeks for the 2019 Climate Action Summit, where they are expected to announce new and more ambitious targets to stop the world from burning. But the Australian Prime Minister won't be there, despite being in the USA at the time:Scott Morrison ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Implausible ignorance
    Labour Party president Nigel Haworth resigned yesterday over the party's sexual assault scandal. But while that's good news, its unlikely to take away the stench of a coverup. Because according to Paula Bennett in Parliament yesterday, pretty much everyone in the Prime Minister's office was involved as well:I have been ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Labour’s Fatal Flaw.
     Two-Faced? Labour insiders' commitment to the neoliberal status quo puts them at odds with their party’s membership; its trade union affiliates; and a majority of Labour voters, but this only serves to strengthen the perception they have of themselves as a special elite. Among the lesser breeds, they’ll talk up a ...
    1 week ago
  • Ten reasons the Tories do NOT want an election
    There has been a lot of talk about Boris Johnson wanting an election, and he has blustered with great gusto about 'chicken' Jeremy Corbyn refusing one, but I think there are many reasons why he is secretly glad he has been refused the opportunity:The Tories are an utter rabble,tearing themselves ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Prorogation Illegal, rule Scottish judges
    Scottish appeal court judges have declared that Boris Johnson’s decision to suspend parliament in the run-up to the October Brexit deadline is unlawful. The three judges, chaired by Lord Carloway, Scotland’s most senior judge, overturned an earlier ruling that the courts did not have the powers to interfere in the prime ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Let me explain what I meant by Everyday New Zealanders
    By Simon Bridges. The following is a press release from the office of Simon Bridges, leader of The National Party. Key ora, New Zealand. Happy Maori Language Week. Look, I’m writing to you today because I want to clear something up. There’s been a lot of kerfuffle around some things ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Yes, the SIS is subject to the Public Records Act
    I understand there's some stuff going round about how the SIS "was removed from the list of public offices covered by the Public Records Act in 2017". The context of course being their records derived from US torture, which will be disposed of or sealed. The good news is that ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • An evidence-based discussion of the Canadian fluoride/IQ study
    Dr. Christopher Labos and Jonathan Jarry discuss the recent Canadian fluoride/IQ research. They provide an expert analysis of the paper and its problems. Click on image to go to podcast. The critical debate about the recent ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Climate Change: Australia in denial
    Australia is burning down again, and meanwhile its natural disaster minister is denying climate change:Australia’s minister responsible for drought and natural disasters, David Littleproud, has said that he doesn’t “know if climate change is manmade”. Clarifying earlier comments that the question is “irrelevant” when considering the Coalition government’s response to ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Philippines activist speaking on the Duterte tyranny
    Auckland Philippines Solidarity is excited to host Professor Judy Taguiwalo for a speaking tour of NZ in September. She is a well-known activist in the Philippines and was a political prisoner under the Marcos dictatorship. Professor Taguiwalo briefly served as a Cabinet member under President Duterte but was forced from ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    2 weeks ago
  • Disgust
    I have no special insights to offer on the Labour sexual assault coverup. All I have is disgust. Disgust that an organisation could fail its people so badly. Disgust that they punished the victims rather than the perpetrator. Disgust that its party hacks are apparently blaming the victims for demanding ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Speak Up for Women calls out Greens’ censorship
    This open letter to the Green Party was penned after an opinion piece by Jill Abigail, a feminist and founding member of the party, was censored by the Greens’ leadership. (Redline has reprinted her article here).The intolerance of the Green Party leaders and their acceptance of the misogyny of gender ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    2 weeks ago
  • Member’s Day: End of Life Choice, part 3
    Today is a Member's day, and David Seymour's End of Life Choice Bill continues its slow crawl through its committee stage. They're spending the whole day on it today, though the first hour is likely to be spent on voting left over from last time. After that they'll move on ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Flight to Los Angeles turned back after passengers decide they don’t want to go anymore
    An ambitious plan to fly to Los Angeles petered out into a brief sight-seeing trip and a desire to return home and get some sleep before work tomorrow. Air New Zealand has confirmed a flight to Los Angeles last night was turned back about a quarter of the way into ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Indigenous Futures: defuturing and futuring – an analytical framework for policy development?
    There appears to be consensus – by omission – that the concept of indigenous futures should be accepted at face value. So I scavenged the internet to see if I could locate an academic descriptor or a framework around how we think about it as a concept, and whether it ...
    EllipsisterBy Ellipsister
    2 weeks ago
  • Cadbury rumoured to be releasing the Pineapple Trump
    Here’s another novelty chocolate to shove in your gob, New Zealand Cadbury could be seeking to make itself great again with a rumoured new release: Pineapple Trumps, a spin on its classic chocolate-encased pineapple treat and do-it-yourself tooth remover. The global confectionery manufacturer and bumbling “before” character in an infomercial, ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • The coming resource war.
    During my time in the Pentagon I had the privilege of sitting down with military leaders and defence and security officials from a variety of Latin American nations. Sometimes I was present as a subordinate assistant to a senior US defence department official, sometimes as part of a delegation that ...
    KiwipoliticoBy Pablo
    2 weeks ago
  • Māori Language Week with The Civilian
    Kia ora, Aotearoa. It’s that magical time of year. Te Wiki o te Reo Māori. In English, the week that frightens talk radio. As you probably know by now, all your favourite media outlets are participating, some more successfully than others. Stuff has changed its name to Puna for the ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Will Horizons act on climate change?
    Local body elections are coming up next month. And it looks like all Palmerston North candidates for Horizons (the Manawatu-Whanganui Regional Council) want to take action on climate change:Climate change is set to be a key issue in Palmerston North for the next three years if those wanting to get ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • BORA reform is stalled
    Eighteen months ago, the government promised to strengthen the Bill of Rights Act, by explicitly affirming the power of the courts to issue declarations of inconsistency and requiring Parliament to formally respond to them. So how's that going? I was curious, so I asked for all advice about the proposal. ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Corbyn and Brexit
    As the Brexit saga staggers on, the focus is naturally enough on the Prime Minister and his attempts to achieve Brexit “do or die”. But the role played by the Leader of the Opposition is of almost equal interest and complexity. The first problem for Jeremy Corbyn is that he ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    2 weeks ago
  • A ditch for him to die in
    Last week, English Prime Minister Boris Johnson boldly declared that he would rather die be dead in a ditch than delay Brexit. Unfortunately for him, the UK parliament accepted the challenge, and promptly dug one for him. The "rebellion bill" requires him to ask for and secure yet another temporary ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago

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