Informal GCSB poll

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  1. leftriteleft 1
    14 July 2013 at 11:54 am

    Well that result doesn’t come as a surprise.

  2. coolas 2
    14 July 2013 at 12:48 pm

    And now headline news is a ‘terrorist’ scare in Greymouth over an envelope containing white powder.

    If only GCSB had more power this wouldn’d happen?

    Or did someone loose their stash of whizz?

  3. RedLogix 3
    14 July 2013 at 1:01 pm

    I can’t help but recall that when Helen Clark took a strong line over Mossad stealing New Zealand passports … suddenly within weeks we had a Jewish cemetery desecration and a Jewish dairy farm worker ‘contaminating’ milk on a Canterbury farm.

    And nothing since.

    Now we have a PM in trouble passing a draconian, authoritarian law that 85% of us oppose … and suddenly we’ve had two ‘white powder’ incidents within weeks.

    And once the legislation gets passed … there will be no more. (Until next time they’re needed.)

    This kind of coincidence always provokes controversy, because while timelines are in themselves never proof of anything, they are always a strong tool to tell you where you should be looking for the truth. This is why the police always use them.

    I know .. this kind of thinking is the birthplace of a million conspiracy theories. Seen lots of them. I’m not suggesting I have any proof, I’m not suggesting I know who is responsible … but it is valid to point to the sequence of events and ask why.

    • marty mars 3.1
      14 July 2013 at 1:10 pm

      I just don’t get the ‘white powder’ thing – i know its roots and all but what a weak ineffectual way to send a message, almost guaranteeing the sender will get caught. And because of that it wouldn’t surprise me at all if it was a set up – ffs spooks send some shit or a dead bird or something rather than bloody flour if you want to ramp up the fear.

  4. Sable 4
    14 July 2013 at 2:29 pm

    Seems the lies touted in a large portion of the press that this is a “non issue” for people is, not surprisingly a work of fiction. People do not want a government that snoops and meddles in their lives.

  5. Lionel 5
    14 July 2013 at 4:17 pm

    When the Nats were last in opposition they were always going on about nanny state and how Labour were interfering in peoples lives and telling them what to do now you have a regime who are wanting to bring in legislation that tracks every activity that any person that is of interest to them it is the ultimate big brother and way more instrusive than any thing in the past and all for the sake of cosying up to the US we are being sold up the river

  6. David H 6
    14 July 2013 at 4:18 pm

    And how convenient was this ?? Potentially Dangerous white powder found in Greymouth.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/8917079/White-powder-alarm-in-Greymouth

  7. Treetop 7
    14 July 2013 at 4:46 pm

    This bill is not required as there are other ways to flush out those who intend harm. Dictatorial leaders are harmful and they have a hidden agenda which usually involves huge sums of money.

    Key is not interested in having at least a 75% mandate in favour of the most intrusive legislation that would ever have been passed in any decent country.

  8. Maggie May 8
    14 July 2013 at 6:08 pm

    Wonder what America has promised John Key for being their boy down under and selling us out to them.

    • JK 8.1
      14 July 2013 at 8:13 pm

      Maggie May – yep – I would love to know that too. I keep wondering what else a millionaire (made from trading money) can “aspire” to .

      • handle 8.1.1
        15 July 2013 at 10:31 pm

        Approval

        • Murray Olsen 8.1.1.1
          16 July 2013 at 1:29 am

          I think you’re right. He is that pathetic. Little boy from a state house who learned golf so business executives would like him. His photo ops, his sucking up to anyone vaguely famous. And NAct voters love it – a PM that the seppos will pretend to love, respect, and cherish, but will really only get screwed over.

    • AmaKiwi 8.2
      16 July 2013 at 1:16 am

      Political asylum when this place blows up!

      I almost forgot . . . and a Delaware trust so he won’t have to pay any taxes. Delaware is the size of a postage stamp; owned and operated by the DuPont family; home of V-P Joe Biden; and a better tax haven than the Channel Islands, Bermuda, Austria, Luxembourg, Panama, or any of the other places the USA is beating up on.

  9. Yes 9
    14 July 2013 at 7:20 pm

    More people voted on Helen Kelly anti drug testing poll…u didn’t cover that failure by Helen kelly

    [lprent: As felix pointed out below, trying to tell authors and/or the site what they should write here is one of the fastest known ways to to earn a ban (and start attracting moderator attention).

    If we allow it then we get every other idiot that carries their intelligence in their genitals whining (as they scratch their brains) that we should see and do things their way. We do advise people with such delusions of authority that they should really should start their own blog so they can gather their own audience of similar fools to do some concerted braying at the moon. However such sites usually do not wind up as being the formation of a focused pack. But they have a readership of the author and a small group of schismatic critics banned from commenting there. Usually explains the wide ranging discussions at such sites.

    It is far simpler to conform to our quite loose policies and not to draw the OTT ire of moderators. Your primary point was actually effective even though it was confused and demonstrated your “smell test” disabilities. It wouldn’t have even rated a glance. The addon was outright dangerous to your continued ability to comment here.

    Read the policy. ]

    • felix 9.1
      15 July 2013 at 2:31 am

      Tut tut, telling authors what to write about. Bad trool.

    • Yes 9.2
      15 July 2013 at 6:57 pm

      read policy apology

      ok – rephrased

      More people voted on Helen Kelly anti drug testing poll. 18,000 I think?

      Did the the website run a review the night it was presented. If so where can I find it under search?

      Thank you

      I have said on another post on here I saw nothing wrong with the bill. So I have been very transparent

      [lprent: There are currently 12,550 posts on site, most of which I didn’t write – so why would I remember?

      On the other hand I do remember my post on my current TV habits amongst them. There is bugger all chance that I’d have any idea what you are blathering on about. Not to mention that I think TV polls done on an 0900 number merely survey the smallish subset of the population who are TV watching idiots who are willing to waste money on a meaningless diversion.

      As was pointed out in this post, it is now clear that there are many affluent idiots who watch TV in this country don’t like the GCSB bill. That is surprising and shows that National haven’t managed to sell it to one of their natural constituencies. I guess that is why National have made it a conscience vote. Some of their MP’s are feeling the pressure from their constituents.

      It is probably clear that the same group don’t like unions – but why would I care? They never have because they are 1) affluent and 2) stupid as evidenced by watching broadcast TV and wasting money on paying to express their opinion in a poll. Why would anyone be interested in that predictable opinion? It simply isn’t as surprising as the GCSB one is.

      And FFS stop being lazy and use the damn search function. I spent effort putting one of the faster search algorithms on the site specifically so I don’t have to answer silly questions from affluent idiots about posts and comments.

      Read the policy again and check out what happens when you waste my time. ]

  10. David H 10
    14 July 2013 at 8:36 pm

    Money, more money It’s their drug, far more dangerous than heroin, because heroin only hurts the user and the people around them. But the money drug hurts thousands and thousands. Look at All the finance companies going broke, and such shit, and the same names keep on coming up time and time again. Even jail and ruin won’t stop them. In the old west they had a saying that if a man got Land Fever the only cure was a .45 pill. These guys have the money equivalent of Land Fever. Pity the .45 cure is against the Law.

  11. Follow-the-money 11
    15 July 2013 at 6:44 am

    Does voting against the bill in a tv poll make one a target for the spooks, once the lid comes off thr lolly jar?

    • Yes 11.1
      15 July 2013 at 7:02 pm

      NO – you will only be spied upon if you doing something wrong against the people of nz – NAUGHTY SITES WILL BE INCLUDED ESP AS WE CARE ABOUT CHILDREN.

      The bill tidies up alot of who is responsible for what? The final format will be much better than the current format.

      Lets be very real here – in the UK there have been a number of loose intelligence and failure to act on their intelligence which has lead to many deaths.

      I do not want that to happen here – imagine if we had this intelligence information prior to the Rainbow Warrior.

      • McFlock 11.1.1
        15 July 2013 at 7:07 pm

        Well, without it we’ve had less fatalities than the number of unarmed people shot dead by armed police.

        Relative population hazards, and all that.

        • Yes 11.1.1.1
          15 July 2013 at 7:11 pm

          cant see the connection in your argument.

          • McFlock 11.1.1.1.1
            15 July 2013 at 7:17 pm

            bit of a sideline, anyway, but it was about you playing “what if”.

            As it stands, the GCSB could have operated against the French agents who sank the RW. They were not NZers. Your scaremongering is false.

            • Yes 11.1.1.1.1.1
              15 July 2013 at 8:34 pm

              Tell the people killed at the Boston marathon ..no scaremonger stuff there…good intelligence not acted on. Only if the FBI did!

              • McFlock …
                15 July 2013 at 8:49 pm

                Well, the intelligence services in the US have even greater reach than what dunnokeyo’s pushing for the GCSB to have. And they still failed to prevent Boston. And, like the RW, the arrest was made by old fashioned police work.

                And “naughty websites” are already hit through standard police work. BUT we also know that the government is cool with advertising the contents of mp email logs in order to embarrass and intimidate journalists.

                • Yes …
                  15 July 2013 at 9:01 pm

                  Whoa…it was the labour and greens pushing to release.

                  Anyway I don’t understand where coming from..so won’t respond to you anymore

                  • McFlock …
                    15 July 2013 at 9:21 pm

                    It’s a pretty obvious perspective: expanding the role of the GCSB will have diminishing public safety returns in exchange for increasing costs in violationns of pprivacy and civil liberties.

      • Chris 11.1.2
        15 July 2013 at 9:28 pm

        Your naivety re not being spied on is amusing, but continue to believe that if it brings you comfort 🙂

  12. Yes 12
    15 July 2013 at 9:45 pm

    However let’s give it a different slant..I have nothing to hide..but like my telephone account it is private to me but if it assists in helping NZ then I have no problem. A quick phone call or a prompt and I would say go for gold if anything on my account saves NZ.

    • Pascal's bookie 12.1
      15 July 2013 at 9:48 pm

      I sure you’ll feel the same when a Labour govt amends the legislation to allow the GCSB to assist the IRD. All your emails, bank transactions, accountant’s emails, lawyer’s emails, the works.

      • Yes 12.1.1
        15 July 2013 at 10:09 pm

        They can do that now by doing a tax audit which are conducted by random selection anyway now so what is the difference

        • Pascal's bookie 12.1.1.1
          15 July 2013 at 10:16 pm

          If you think that’s the same as what the GSCB could do for them, you’re an idiot. IRD hit brick walls all the time in investigations. Often they have to take someone’s word that what the accounts show, is the reality. Metadata on everything form eftpos transactions to phone calls can show what’s fiction, and what’s not.

          But anyway. It’s all right Yes. We get you don’t value your freedoms. Other people will do what they can to protect them for your kids though.

    • lprent 12.2
      15 July 2013 at 9:50 pm

      The question isn’t if it saves NZ. It is more if it will be used to save some moronic politician who equates their political survival with that of our societies survival. Some wanker like John Key or the some of the current heads of the rather out of control police force. Currently that is the suspicion about this current proposed law.

      But I guess you are one of those idiots who think that giving up hard fought rights for a some hypothetical threat is a good trade.. Just another stupid armchair general..

  13. Yes 13
    15 July 2013 at 9:46 pm

    Anyway this whole gscb is all really boring actually

  14. Chris 14
    15 July 2013 at 10:04 pm

    I really can’t believe the stupidity of the “nothing to fear if you have nothing to hide brigade”. Yes… wake up your mind. Google “Wake up my mind” by the Uglys

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