Kia Kaha Christchurch

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1. Chooky 1

   14 February 2016 at 6:01 pm

   thanks for that…personally i did not feel this earthquake but friends and relatives felt it alright…as Mayor Lianne Dalziel says those we should feel most for are those who have yet to settle their EQC claims

   http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/76869175/Severe-Chch-quake-What-you-need-to-know
2. mac1 2

   14 February 2016 at 6:45 pm

   Felt that one while in Murchison at a meeting. My daughter in ChCh lost a peace lily falling off a chest, and my brother’s cat went under the bed. A friend at Redcliffs described being in his motor home as comparable to a rough crossing over Cook Strait. A sad reminder of that devastation five years ago. Still a reality.
3. greywarshark 3

   14 February 2016 at 7:07 pm

   Some observations while looking up earthquake info. One was NZ Herald with the headline – Science behind the 5.7 Christchurch earthquake. But Key was the person videoed talking about it, not the knowledgable scientist to give it straight from the horse’s mouth. Key was almost incoherent, because he had to talk against a loud, bold beat at the Big Gay Out. He was wearing a fuchsia coloured shirt to show how gay he was.
   http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11589499

   Further down the page there he was again in his bright fuchsia shirt chatting to someone in a large flag with the heading – John Key booed off stage at Big Gay Out
   http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11589495

   So busy photo ops for the man for all seasons.

   Then I see a bit about an environmental grant to a Christchurch developer, and he was wearing a fuchsia suit or at least a tailored jacket in the brilliant colour. Is this some sort of trend amongst the wealthy job creators?
4. TeWhareWhero 4

   14 February 2016 at 8:11 pm

   It felt very strong here 40 kms north of ChCh – enough to make me do my earthquake song and dance routine – hop from one foot to the other and chant ‘fuck, fuck, fuck’. The cat left home; the dog was freaked but by me, and the husband carried on cooking some eggs for his lunch as if nothing had happened. He’s remarkably – almost preternaturally – calm in earthquakes. Just hope it is not the start of a new sequence.
   • alwyn 4.1

     14 February 2016 at 8:14 pm

     I’m on the side of the dog.
     It is a beautiful image you paint. I hope there was no damage though.
   • Rosie 4.2

     15 February 2016 at 11:33 am

     “enough to make me do my earthquake song and dance routine – hop from one foot to the other and chant ‘fuck, fuck, fuck’”

     What else to do? Sounds like an entirely appropriate response to me 🙂

     Hope you’re doing ok today TeWhareWhero.

     I hope you, and all affected (including Lanthanide and vto below) by this big new shake up managed to get some sleep last night. I’m guessing this will open old wounds for some.

     Take gentle care of one another and of the own self.
5. alwyn 5

   14 February 2016 at 8:11 pm

   Was the Redcliffs school affected by the quake?
6. NZJester 6

   14 February 2016 at 8:25 pm

   I blame the right wing governments like National for these. While you might not think I have a leg to stand on in that argument I point out that along with global warming there has been an increase in larger earthquakes and volcanic activity globally. The continental plates slowly move a little bit each year, but the increased temperatures on the surface might be heating up the magma below and making those underground rivers run hotter and a little bit faster making the plates move just a little bit faster also.
   You only have to see the increase in large earthquakes and volcanic events happening around the wold to realize that global warming must be warming the subterranean parts of the earth as well. As long as we have right wing governments that put the interests of big business over the environment, this is likely to be just a taste of what is to come. Earthquakes, volcanic eruptions and wild weather events are going to be our global warming future.
   With volcanoes thought dormant waking up world wide I would not like to be living on top of a nest of old dormant volcanoes.
   Auckland could be our next big natural disaster area in the future.
   • Macro 6.1

     14 February 2016 at 10:21 pm

     your about as funny as a fart in church
   • greywarshark 6.2

     15 February 2016 at 10:02 am

     NZ Jester
     I think there was a nub of truth in all that verbiage. Surprising that. It was about the effects of global warming on the subterranean parts of the earth. With such huge forces in balance down there, small changes might work like chaos theory says, producing results that seem beyond what would be the norm.
     Global warning about warming –
     https://www.skepticalscience.com/its-not-us-advanced.htm
   • alwyn 6.3

     15 February 2016 at 11:44 am

     At this very moment young Master Gareth is editing his speech to add this to his list of grizzles about the PM.
     I’m sure he will claim that John Key, also known as the scourge of all bold brave Trekkies. has developed an Earthquakerator to destroy the world.
     • savenz 6.3.1

       15 February 2016 at 4:37 pm

       That’s in poor taste alwyn.
     • marty mars 6.3.2

       15 February 2016 at 4:57 pm

       you should be bloody ashamed alwyn for your very inappropriate remarks
       • alwyn 6.3.2.1

         15 February 2016 at 5:17 pm

         Goodness me. MM has woken up. Only 4.57pm as well.
         Perhaps you shouldn’t drink quite so much this evening.
7. dave 7

   14 February 2016 at 8:49 pm

   tonight the insurance risk in Christchurch just went sky high Christchurch could become an insurance black zone without insurance cover property will be worth zero zero they can thank our troy rulers for rebuilding on a swamp all the rebuild money has been squandered and lost .
   • ropata 7.1

     14 February 2016 at 11:07 pm

     i hope king gerry rethinks his big fuck-off convention centre and superfluous rugby stadium. what a huge malinvestment and millstone around the necks of ratepayers for the next 50 years
     • savenz 7.1.1

       15 February 2016 at 4:34 pm

       +1 Ropata + Dave

       I heard that the bailed out red zone was actually declined by the council for building on prior to the earthquake and the developer appealed in environment court and won, and then built on areas which should never have been built on and went to liquefaction post earthquake and the tax payers bailed out the owners and the developers did not answer for anything.

       Don’t feel that Brownlees vanity convention centre and stadium should be the building priority!

       Poor Chch.
       • ropata 7.1.1.1

         17 February 2016 at 11:25 pm

         Developers following the same model that allowed them to build whole new suburbs on swampland in the first place (Bexley), Council said no, but the developers had the $$$ to force the issue through court (clearly some crappy judges out there). Of course Bexley was heavily affected by liquefaction in 2011 but the developers were long gone.

         Same model that caused the leaky homes fiasco in Auckland. Weak planning regulations and the wrong incentives, result in shonky suburbs designed for max profit and zero responsibility
   • vto 7.2

     15 February 2016 at 9:12 am

     way off the mark there dave
   • greywarshark 7.3

     15 February 2016 at 10:06 am

     The rebuild money has largely been spent on stronger more resilient properties which should be able to ride out earthquakes. And it won’t be wasted money at all, it is just another cost of keeping the country going, similar to what National are paying out in interest to overseas funders each year which adds up to a lot.

     Opportunities to get the country on a better more sustainable footing have been ignored. That is the tragedy dave that you should be wringing your hands about.
8. millsy 8

   14 February 2016 at 9:06 pm

   Christchurch is still pretty unstable it would seem.
   • Richard@Down South 8.1

     15 February 2016 at 1:51 pm

     I seriously wonder at what point is it better to move Christchurch… there must be a point at which insurance companies simply wont cover Christchurch?
     • pat 8.1.1

       15 February 2016 at 1:56 pm

       there is a point at which they will either leave the market or price it out of viability but this quake won’t have any immediate impact in that respect…..it will be added to the risk factor though.
9. Neil 9

   14 February 2016 at 11:25 pm

   Wait for it Key & the national party will blame Labour for it.
10. Ch-ch Chiquita 10

    14 February 2016 at 11:54 pm

    Mother nature makes sure we don’t go past 22 February un-noticed. Every year we get this reminder. Have been through I don’t know how many thousands of earthquakes, to the point we can tell the magnitude without looking at geo-net, and yet in the first second I still think it’s a heavy truck driving by.
11. r0b 11

    15 February 2016 at 12:20 am

    Well Fuck.

    I arrive in Germany and another Chch quake is the first thing I see on the news.

    My family Ok time round, minor breakages only. Hope everyone is safe. Hard to be “well” under the circumstances.
    • greywarshark 11.1

      15 February 2016 at 10:57 am

      r0b
      So it was you leaving that caused an imbalance in the space-time continuum.
      Good that your people are safe, so are mine. vto had a shaky experience.
      Lanthanide also but different – some good background! info.
12. Lanthanide 12

    15 February 2016 at 9:05 am

    Some interesting information on RNZ this morning, from an engineer (I think from the university) that specialises in seismic building design / load etc.

    He said the peak ground acceleration would have been 0.4G at the epicenter, which was about 7-8k off the coast of New Brighton.

    At New Brighton itself, the PGA would have been about 0.2G, and in the central city it would halve to about 0.1G, and at Riccarton would have halved again to 0.05G.

    I live a couple of K past Riccarton, so it explains why it felt like a big wobbly quake to me (see Open Mic yesterday) rather than the sharp sudden jolt that others have talked about.
    • vto 12.1

      15 February 2016 at 9:18 am

      Was standing on the driveway next to the car. Felt one coming, which then proceeded to get bigger (all very much near instantly – the conc driveway gave very direct feel for what was going on), then the big jolt hit whack and shaking and noise and crashing and banging … the driveway was going all wobbly with each foot moving independently like on a bouncy castle.

      Just at the point of everything going liquid and thinking whoa this is another massive one, it began to back off. Found myself holding onto the car long after it had finished, car sirens going off, memories flooding back…. people in tears

      It was certainly no small thing.
13. te reo putake 13

    15 February 2016 at 9:13 am

    Just heard some moron on RNZ saying the lack of damage was proof that the rebuild was working well. He seemed to think the entire city had been rebuilt and was now earthquake proof. Dunno who he was, but he made me feel like booing.
    • Lanthanide 13.1

      15 February 2016 at 10:04 am

      If an earthquake of that size had happened, without all of the preceding quakes to ‘soften’ things up first, I think there probably would have been less damage overall. Seems unlikely that the cliffs would have collapsed like that. Still would have had the liquefaction etc out east, but I doubt any buildings would have suffered much damage in the central city.

      The 23rd December 2011 quake was 5.8M but much closer to shore. The PGA at New Brighton library was 0.97, and in the central city was around 0.15 to 0.28.

      That one didn’t do much in the way of structural damage to the city.

      http://info.geonet.org.nz/display/quake/2011/12/23/Dec+23+2011+-+Christchurch+hit+again+at+Christmas
14. Ffloyd 14

    15 February 2016 at 9:56 am

    That moron was John Key. As per usual.
15. Puddleglum 15

    15 February 2016 at 1:13 pm

    Was sitting at an outside table at the Curator’s House in the Botanic Gardens (central city) at the time hosting a friend over from Sydney. Fortunately, he’d grown up in Reefton so he was very used to shakes.

    It was like a very strong sideways rocking that took ages to settle. The place was fully booked (Valentine’s Day) and after a few minutes most customers just sat back down and continued eating.

    The physical sensation was like standing on a paddle board on a choppy sea. But the worst was the thought ‘here we go again’ and therefore the need to find out quickly how bad the damage was and the location of the epicentre. And, of course, then there’s the immediate concern for those we care about.

    The inability to take the ground beneath your feet for granted represents a metaphorical lesson in why, in life, we should all see ourselves as in ‘this’ together.

    It’s a great leveller – in more ways than one. Or at least should be.
    • weka 15.1

      15 February 2016 at 5:30 pm

      I wish the rest of NZ would get that. Both that the issue is about ‘here we go again’ on many levels, and that we need to be in this together.
      • vto 15.1.1

        15 February 2016 at 6:09 pm

        It really is such a great leveller. Like nothing else experienced really. Ever.

        Last few years plenty of people have been hauling the cash, spending large, buying new utes, boats, houses, feeling pretty impressed with themselves that they can make so much money ……..

        Then this – wompa. We all the same when the shit hits the fan.

        The great leveller.

        To be experienced to be believed methinks
16. pat 16

    15 February 2016 at 1:20 pm

    “The inability to take the ground beneath your feet for granted represents a metaphorical lesson in why, in life, we should all see ourselves as in ‘this’ together.

    It’s a great leveller – in more ways than one. Or at least should be.”

    unfortunately the polar opposite is pretty much what has occurred
    • greywarshark 16.1

      15 February 2016 at 5:19 pm

      Seems to bring geographical and spatial language to the fore. Great leveller and polar opposite for instance.
17. savenz 17

    15 February 2016 at 4:40 pm

    I don’t live in Christchurch but how much has actually been rebuilt? A few years ago I heard that the place was still in ruins. Now Campbell Live is not on (too truthful) nobody knows what’s going on in Christchurch anymore.
    • weka 17.1

      15 February 2016 at 5:27 pm

      Campbell Lives on at RNZ, and they are covering the quake. I tend to think the psychological issues are more important than the rebuild and insurance ones, although they’re obviously interrelated.
      • pat 17.1.1

        15 February 2016 at 5:33 pm

        think there may several thousand that may dispute that the insurance (and EQC) issues are less important, though will agree psychological may be connected….there is a common refrain amongst many in ChCh….the earthquakes were a breeze compared with the BS they have had to deal with from the various agencies.
        • weka 17.1.1.1

          15 February 2016 at 6:12 pm

          A city with a high population of people with PTSD, and that PTSD being related to the aftermath as much as the quakes, mostly as you say the BS that was preventable, that’s a pretty significant thing. And even those without out and out PTSD, the stress impacts sound really bad.

          I have been wondering lately how other places compare post-quake. Lots of places have far worse death tolls, but how many have this level of human induced disaster?

          Yes, I expect those dealing with insurance/EQC issues would probably rate those issues are more important. Different persepectives.
      • vto 17.1.2

        15 February 2016 at 5:33 pm

        The psychological ones have raced to the top again after yesterday and I think will remain for some time. It has been such a long time since a whopper shake like that that is has really put everybody on notice………

        Plus tears flowed very easily yesterday from people – the nerves were clearly not repaired.

        As for what has been rebuilt savenz – most hme repairs are done or being finished. A wave of commercial rebuild by the private sector is nearly complete with most all commercial activities now catered for and little on the horizon for further build. Still quite a chunk of public works and anchor projects to go. Not enough work to round now, so hopefully the ripoffs and price gouging that has been going on will disappear or reverse and people can start getting their own back on rapacious landlords and builders.
        • pat 17.1.2.1

          15 February 2016 at 5:49 pm

          ‘As for what has been rebuilt savenz – most hme repairs are done or being finished. A wave of commercial rebuild by the private sector is nearly complete with most all commercial activities now catered for and little on the horizon for further build.’

          you may wish to have a look at the attached link…

          http://southernresponse.co.nz/images/documents/Progress_to_the_end_of_January_2016.pdf

          and thats only one IC
          • vto 17.1.2.1.1

            15 February 2016 at 6:06 pm

            That Southern Response is the insurance company Bill English took over to save AMI customers…..

            I am sure it will then come as no surprise that Southern Response is the lowest of the low by a huge country mile. It is one of the most hated organisations here. It does not reflect the average. At all.
            • pat 17.1.2.1.1.1

              15 February 2016 at 6:21 pm

              “Their own data contradicts their CE’s statement yesterday and the vast majority of those rebuilds and repairs (13,663 or 72% of all settlements) have been cash settled so let’s not jump to the conclusion that these are “builders on the ground” completed repairs and rebuilds. There are thousands of homes in the same condition as they were after the quakes which in itself could create another problem.”

              you say “here” so I’m sure you’re aware of the work of Cam Preston around the ICs settlement statistics…

              http://www.infonews.co.nz/news.cfm?id=110375

              “The data² supporting Mr Grafton’s statement, which is supplied to the Insurance Council by the its private insurance company members, via the Ministry of Business Innovation and Employment (MBIE), clearly shows that in the 5+ years since the earthquake sequence began, only 2,430 repairs and 2,865 rebuilds have been completed by its members in Canterbury,” he says.’
              • vto …

                15 February 2016 at 6:27 pm

                I am running on heavy anecdote…. which is pretty reliable given pretty much every single person and household we know has had multiple insurance claims……. actually every single person and household come to think of it

                Was including cash and repair and rebuild settlements in my point…… only a few remaining.

                However I hears ya with the housing stock. There are thousands of broken homes paid out on and yep, they will become known as pre-eq houses and be marked down, just like the classic leaky-home houses. Unfortunately.
                • pat …

                  15 February 2016 at 8:44 pm

                  “Was including cash and repair and rebuild settlements in my point…… only a few remaining.’

                  I guess it is only a few …..if you consider 3,500 fromEQC, 3,000 from SR and around 5,000 from the other insurers a few…..and that dosnt include the land claims
        • weka 17.1.2.2

          15 February 2016 at 6:13 pm

          That’s good to hear about the rebuild esp for homes and that the price gouging should drop off.
18. Smilin 18

    15 February 2016 at 8:32 pm

    My opinion or 2 c worth is it possible Bank Peninsula is in the process of separating from Canterbury ,could take a long time or is the fault possibly separating the Sth Is into 2 islands thru to the West Coast or the coast of Canterbury crackin thru to Marlborough from ChCh just a few questions to think about
    • ropata 18.1

      17 February 2016 at 11:34 pm

      Ahh No. The Pacific Plate is grinding against the Australian plate, forming the Southern Alps. (Also, the Pacific plate appears to be “winning” as the Aussie plate is slipping under it)

      http://www.otago.ac.nz/geology/research/structural-geology/alpine-fault/nz-tectonics.html

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