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1. Enough is Enough 1

   25 August 2014 at 11:54 am

   Thanks Lprent.

   These are generally good policies but who the fuck is running this campaign. Like really Labour? We are in the home straight. Please for the sake of my heart pressure sort the basics out in strategy.
2. karol 2

   25 August 2014 at 12:06 pm

   Thanks, Lynn.

   I can’t see anything specifically on broadcasting/media.

   Previously Cunliffe and Faafoi have talked about the importance of broadcasting and linking their policy to IT policies and online communications – I thought Cunliffe was spokesperson for ICT, but now that seems to have gone from his areas of responsibilities: see team.

   PS: Greens don’t seem to have anything on it either.
   • lprent 2.1

     25 August 2014 at 12:15 pm

     They still have nearly 4 weeks in the campaign. I suspect that they will both be releasing missing policies.

     I haven’t had a look at the Greens policy pages for a few months (but they were a lot easier to find last time I looked). When I get a few spare minutes I’ll link to them.

     But feel free to put up a post…
     • karol 2.1.1

       25 August 2014 at 12:18 pm

       Lynn, when I said Greens don’t seem to have anything on it, I meant, they don’t seem to have any policies on broadcasting.
3. Michael who failed Civics 3

   25 August 2014 at 12:43 pm

   Thanks for posting this material. I’ve been able to find some of these policies on Labour’s website but not all. My comments are: (1) some policies are better than others (health is very good; ACC is very bad); this may reflect the calibre of the caucus members responsible for the portfolio; (2) all policies are subject to the straitjacket of Labour’s fiscal policy, in which appeasing financial speculators takes priority over social justice; (3) following on from that order of priority, in light of the PREFU reporting lower than forecast surpluses, David Parker told National Radio last week that Labour’s policies would be cut back in order to maintain surplus and appease financial speculators; (4) since then, David Cunliffe has promised much more money on many more things (his announcements for Dunedin last week being one such example). In light of these factors, I conclude that Labour is, once again, facing a credibility gap between its campaign promises and its will to implement them by raising the necessary revenue. However, the news media and the people do not seem to have picked up this “inconsistency” – yet.
   • Jenny Kirk 3.1

     25 August 2014 at 4:36 pm

     Hey Michael – apparently your Leader is facing even more of a “credibility gap” on fiscal matters than David Cunliffe ever will. He said the following while campaigning in Auckland today, This is on No Right Turn’s blog today. Seems to me its John Key who has the credibility problem – in all sorts of ways !

     ” National’s leader John Key said the party was crunching numbers “to see what sort of head room we’ve got.”

     “If we can say a bit more definitively about that, we will, coming into election day.”

     Reminded of English’s comments, Key said that the finance spokesman was “talking about an actual package of x and y. If you go and ask him the other question – ‘will we talk about the outline of what might happen?’ – you’ve got a different answer.”
     • Michael who failed Civics 3.1.1

       25 August 2014 at 5:16 pm

       Key is not my leader: I dislike the man for being a lying, dissembling scumbag and will continue to give my Party Vote to Labour. However, Labour looks as though it too is being dishonest, with lavish spending promises on the one hand, and signals to the “business community” that maintaining a fiscal surplus (and in the longer term, tax cuts) are the priority, on the other. Perhaps this “inconsistency” is academic, as Labour’s campaign so far presents it as unfit for government, even one led by a lying, dissembling scumbag. Labour has not earned the people’s trust and shows little sign of doing so at present.
4. Sable 4

   25 August 2014 at 1:01 pm

   As my wife pointed out she had heard “next to nothing” from Labour. Their marketing is poor in terms of neighborhood signage compared to the Greens and National who are everywhere.

   No surprises Labours website is shoddy. I’ll be they haven’t even included metadata tags in their header section, forget about SEO.

   I think they don’t think they can win this election so why bother. At least that’s the feeling I get from them.
   • Lanthanide 4.1

     25 August 2014 at 5:16 pm

     My BF said the same thing, that Labour had no policy. I showed him their site and said they had heaps.

     His subsequent remark was “well how come I didn’t know that? they obviously aren’t doing a good job of communicating it”.

     He thinks they should be repeating the same 3-4 policies over and over again every chance they get. Maybe Labour’s problem is they have too much policy, and none of it is especially stand-out attention-grabbing, so it all just blurs together?
5. tinfoilhat 5

   25 August 2014 at 1:14 pm

   Thank you for posting on policy can we have more from the Greens website too ?

   https://www.greens.org.nz/policy
6. Mike the Savage One 6

   25 August 2014 at 2:43 pm

   “Development aid” to the Labour Party, I cannot believe it. But hopefully this will wake a few up that should have sorted things long ago, earlier in the campaign.

   Some of the policies sound good, but much is of course in the usual not so detailed form of statements, open to interpretation re what it really means.

   As for the campaign so far, I live in an electorate that recently was changed a bit. I was in a Nat seat, which now is part of a larger, changed Labour MP’s seat. While there have so far been two election campaign brochures from the Nats, at least two from the Conservatives, one from the Greens, there has been NONE from Labour, which I find rather astonishing.

   Maybe leafleting is not a priority for them this time? It does not seem to be here.

   less than 4 weeks to go, and it is time to send out the messages, to get enough convinced to throw out this present government.
   • Lanthanide 6.1

     25 August 2014 at 5:18 pm

     I’ve had 1 from Labour and 1 from Conservatives, in Wigram.
7. Belladonna 7

   25 August 2014 at 2:59 pm

   I know of 2 people who have offered to help out with leaflet drops. not a word from the Labour Party in response.
8. Jenny Kirk 8

   25 August 2014 at 4:26 pm

   Michael at 3, Sable, Belladonna, Mike the Savage One – how very odd that you are not receiving leaflets, that your friends’ offers to help haven’t been taken up, that you cannot see any signs around the place.

   Most electorates have active Labour volunteers – all of whom are out leafletting, taking up offers of help, putting up and repairing damaged signs, visiting the markets with their candidates, taking part in public meetings – so its odd that none of you are seeing any sign of Labour !

   Perhaps you could all post up the electorates where you live and we’ll then be able to tell you what’s happening there, from Labour, for you . Any other trolls out there want to let us know ? ?

   As to Michael’s comments re fiscal responsibility – its a fact, and a well-known fact, that a Labour Government is (has been) much more fiscally responsible than any National Government, and that will continue. It has already been announced that Labour won’t be putting up six of their unpublicised policies because of the downturn in the economy, and they’ll be taking other measures to ensure they can get the country back into a good economic state.
   • Michael who failed Civics 8.1

     25 August 2014 at 5:19 pm

     Surely, Labour’s priority must be to do whatever is socially just and if that means wriggling out of its self-imposed fiscal straitjacket, so be it? I’d rather see our public hospitals and schools properly funded, and our older people cared for in their homes, than a tick in a box from Moodys or Standard & Poor.
   • Mike the Savage One 8.2

     25 August 2014 at 5:31 pm

     Got a letter from Phil Goff 2 months or so back, saying we are now part of his Mt Roskill electorate in Central Auckland. That is ALL that I and neighbours ever received since then from Labour.

     If there are so many volunteers, they seem to not have been informed of some parts of certain suburbs and streets now being part of Roskill, but as Phil Goff knows, so should his party’s volunteers, really.

     There are a few Labour signs around, but in size and numbers far less than the Nats’ ones, which are almost everywhere. We even have a Conservatives candidate sign nearby, but to find a Labour one I have to walk down a few streets.

     I will not disclose more details, as I cherish my privacy and do not want to advertise where I live, as we may have Cameron Slater start chasing and harassing us supposedly “anonymous leftist extremist bloggers”.
9. BLiP 9

   25 August 2014 at 4:38 pm

   ‘

   Meanwhile, the Greens are not so insecure about their policies that they have to hide them away in some deep, dark corner of their webpage –

   A Smarter Economy – https://www.greens.org.nz/policy/smarter-economy

   A Cleaner Environment – https://www.greens.org.nz/policy/cleaner-environment

   A Fairer Society – https://www.greens.org.nz/policy/cleaner-environment

   . . . and they’ve been costed!
10. Jamal 10

    25 August 2014 at 4:54 pm

    Not sure what’s so difficult.

    Go to website. Click ‘policies’.

    http://campaign.labour.org.nz/policies
    • lprent 10.1

      25 August 2014 at 5:37 pm

      Ah no. Few people know the labour party site. I can tell because of the number of people who go through labour.co.nz (which I am still paying for more than 20 years after I got it for Helen’s emails…)

      google “labour party”. Most people would do that at best. After all that is how about half of the people got into this site today – they did some variant of “The Standard”.

      Then press “Policy”

      Then go to the bottom of the page and click “All Our Announced Policies”

      Then go near to the bottom of that page where it says “Tertiary Education policy” (and why that isn’t in education is a separate question.

      Then press “Tertiary Education Policy”

      Then press “Click here for more details about Labour’s Tertiary Education policy ”

      Now you are in the actual policy… After six clicks. That is bloody terrible.

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      Of course most people will just google “Labour tertiary policy” or “Labour tertiary education policy”. You’ll find this page 6 down. You’ll have problems finding the actual labour policy on anything with a google search for it. That is because they aren’t tagged by name or meta info and/or passed to google.

      People google. They don’t go down bloody menus unless they have to.
    • BLiP 10.2

      25 August 2014 at 9:18 pm

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      Can you point me towards those policies which have been changed as a result of the PREFU?
11. Si-Monster 11

    25 August 2014 at 7:31 pm

    I was puzzled as to what the policy heading “Independent Climate” could possibly mean until I clicked on it and saw it related to establishing an Independent Climate Commission.
12. Once Was Tim 12

    25 August 2014 at 8:55 pm

    @lprent. I sure as hell hope these people are not involved in designing an IRD IT upgrade.
    Dangerous enthusiasms.
    Well meaning and all; nice people; just – well, you know hopefully what I mean.
13. Antonina 13

    26 August 2014 at 2:28 pm

    Thanks for doing that – I need to be able to access policy for members of the public and the LP site is terribly cumbersome. The 6 clicks sometimes feel like 20.
14. Colonial Viper 14

    26 August 2014 at 2:43 pm

    Just to be sure that it remains accessible, I’m going to violate copyright and paste it here

    Don’t let those Hollywood moguls find out, they’ll be at your door with black helicopters and machine guns next.

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