National’s policy platform

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1. Sacha 1

   5 August 2020 at 8:58 am

   Collins is worried Labour will steal the Nats' ideas if they announce them. Priceless.

   https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/422778/judith-collins-on-more-election-policy-announcements

   "There's a whole raft of policies that will be coming out. As you know, if we pop them out too early then the government, who doesn't seem to want to have any policies put out, will maybe just steal them and say gosh there it is."
   • Leighton 1.1

     5 August 2020 at 9:14 am

     By Judith's logic, wouldn't Labour also be justified in having no policies at this point because National would steal them if they were announced? She obviously views the world as some kind of game of electoral chicken.
     • Sacha 1.1.1

       5 August 2020 at 9:18 am

       She is right in this instance, hence the irony.
   • Sacha 1.2

     5 August 2020 at 9:20 am

     And some lying about numbers, of course, from the same story.

     On their polling figures, she said they were doing "pretty well" along the same lines they had previously indicated of about 40 percent.
   • Incognito 1.3

     5 August 2020 at 9:24 am

     Nah, it’s all about controlling the narrative and the black player has the advantage in this game unless …

     Edit: Oops, this is not OM but a new OP. I’d better read it first.
   • Robert Guyton 1.4

     5 August 2020 at 9:54 am

     "pop them out"?
     • Sacha 1.4.1

       5 August 2020 at 9:57 am

       dietary fibre helps.
       • Robert Guyton 1.4.1.1

         5 August 2020 at 10:13 am

         Ah, so Judith's policies are of the same substance and quality as previous National offerings?
         • Draco T Bastard 1.4.1.1.1

           5 August 2020 at 11:13 am

           Yep – poisonous fertilizer.
   • AB 1.5

     5 August 2020 at 11:41 am

     Perhaps Judith sees politics as like some giant wetland – you never mention where the swamp kauri might be – in case someone else gets there first? Maybe this is called ‘bringing business experience’ to government.
2. tc 2

   5 August 2020 at 9:00 am

   You reap what you sow, a 2002 result would be justified.

   They plundered across 3 terms. Smeared, got caught, played through the media…rinse and repeat. Soo many skeletons.

   Kiwis with empathy will choose wisely. Jude's perfect for this gig as her style suits their approach.
   • Robert Guyton 2.1

     5 August 2020 at 9:53 am

     Jude's supercilious smirk – is that a winner, do you think?
     • tc 2.1.1

       5 August 2020 at 10:16 am

       We shall see, the doubling down approach with crusher out front seems their only choice. Matty's probably charted the course already up to the GE and swum away clear now, no surprises there.

       There's never been any policy just slogans sucking in the swinging sheeple. Will they bleat again or think critically about NZ's future.
3. Tricledrown 3

   5 August 2020 at 9:23 am

   Never underestimate the opposition at the moment we see National reheating their roading policy.

   Goldsmiths pathetic effort on Kiwisaver reduntanxies tax credit with a 60 to 70% failure rate

   It will be interesting the slow striptease now.
4. Gosman 4

   5 August 2020 at 9:39 am

   Agreed. If you want a alternative set of policies to the waste land of both National and Labour you need to look at either The Greens or ACT.
   • Stuart Munro 4.1

     5 August 2020 at 9:48 am

     Meh – ACT are a spent force intellectually speaking. And the Greens are headed that way – pious noises till the wheels fall off, not early and substantial corrections are all we will see from either of these. The crunch is going to hurt when it comes.
   • roblogic 4.2

     5 August 2020 at 9:51 am

     Labour has policies, all status quo stuff that National would probably be doing
   • mikesh 4.3

     5 August 2020 at 10:13 am

     Or Opportunities or Social Credit.
   • Enough is Enough 4.4

     5 August 2020 at 11:55 am

     I tend to agree with you Gosman. National and Labour try to portray themselves as polar opposites on the political spectrum. They both claim that the other party will result in disaster while only they can save Aotearoa.

     The reality is they are both conservative central parties where their similarities far outweigh their differences.

     If you want real reform and transformation, you have only two options Green and ACT. If you want more of the same shit, vote Labour or National.

     And to clarify I am not advocating anyone votes for ACT. The Green Party is the only option if you want positive change.
5. Just Is 5

   5 August 2020 at 10:15 am

   This may not be a policy but National released a statement saying that they wouldn't be introducing any TAX cuts.

   In the first 6 months.

   There's probably no need for them produce any visionary policies as the writing is on the wall for them, just going through the motions.
   • Robert Guyton 5.1

     5 August 2020 at 10:20 am

     "just going through the motions." as Sacha indicated (above).
     • Sacha 5.1.1

       5 August 2020 at 10:25 am

       🙂
6. Enough is Enough 6

   5 August 2020 at 10:29 am

   I think a 2002 result for National is almost inevitable because National voters will, and already are thinking tactically.

   In 2002 the conservative vote still reached 45%. That year traditional National supporters voted tactically with NZ First and United picking up 17% of the vote between them. Nats had 21 and ACT 7.

   This election something different is happening though. There is less than quiet murmurs from rural New Zealand, that they will do whatever it takes to keeps the Greens from holding too much influence. They are willing to hold their nose and vote Labour to give them an absolute majority. After all what is the point of voting for National if they get 35% max, if you lose the war and have the Greens with a veto vote in Parliament.

   I hope if that happens that Labour will still invite the Green party to cabinet and give them important port folios.
   • Sacha 6.1

     5 August 2020 at 10:33 am

     Rural voters are far fewer than persistent national stereotypes suggest. Let them whinge.
     • Enough is Enough 6.1.1

       5 August 2020 at 10:50 am

       I don't think they are whinging. They are just going to quietly vote Labour regardless of what National offers them. The question is whether tat sentiment spreads to the urban the National supporters
7. Dennis Frank 7

   5 August 2020 at 10:35 am

   Labour's best policy is continuity (`let's keep moving') as a semblance of business as usual. Trotter framed it yesterday as a `third referendum'. https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2020/08/04/must-read-the-third-referendum/

   JACINDA ARDERN’S STRATEGY for this election is now clear. She will be inviting New Zealanders to vote in three referendums. The referendum on Cannabis. The referendum on Euthanasia. And the referendum on her government’s handling of the Covid-19 Pandemic.

   Many on the Left, caught up in the excitement of a prospective electoral victory so emphatic that Labour may be in a position to govern alone, are imploring the party to seize the time and enact the most comprehensive reform of New Zealand institutions since 1984. All the things the Left was hoping for: the “transformation” promised by Jacinda but countermanded by Winston Peters; will become possible in a House of Representatives dominated by Labour and the Greens.

   The secret of Labour’s survival as a viable political party, and the reason why so many New Zealanders still think of it as “left-wing”, is due to it being the party people vote for to keep the much more recognisably right-wing National Party out of government… In other words, Labour, like National, is defined almost entirely by what it is not. The moment either party abandons this essentially negative function – as Labour did between 1972 and 1975, and National did between 1990 and 1993 – they are instantly perceived as threats.

   The binary straitjacket imposed on both mainstream parties by partisan thinking means bland is good. Having actual policies implies the parties stand for something. Since that something is unpalatable to centrists, and winning requires centrist support, Nat/Lab thinking inevitably converges on the centre ground of the campaign.

   Partisan rhetoric becomes a loser's ploy. So there's a switch-over point in time, when team-building rah-rah messaging gets displaced by cagey smokescreen. The pros can probably even tell you which month in election year the switch gets thrown.
8. aom 8

   5 August 2020 at 11:09 am

   So what infrastructure does National want to give Wellington? Four lanes to the bloody planes and the city's largest and most expensive carpark. What does Wellington need? It needs a light rail system that serves the high housing density spines that are envisaged AND the airport.
   • RobbieWgtn 8.1

     5 August 2020 at 11:45 am

     Wgtn will never need light rail at a population of ~200k in the City, even if the additional ~35k forecast over the next 23 years eventuates. There's no light rail in the world that is economically viable with that pop density & you only have to look at the Gold Coast, Edinburgh etc to see how much taxpayer & ratepayer theft is required to sustain these vanity projects. Buses are much less capital intensive, much more able to vary capacity & operational cost to demand.

     Wellington is also 1 decent earthquake away from becoming the NI's Picton – ferry terminal, without the Gov't / Public sector high salaries propping it up as they would easily relocate.
9. Chris 9

   5 August 2020 at 11:45 am

   Key says open up the borders. Is this a patsy for Collins to respond with "oh no, we couldn't possibly risk the health of hard working kiwis when it's unsafe to do so"? Or will Collins agree with Key? It'd be good if it were the latter because what's happening in Victoria is really getting cut-through with the general population on the need to 'maintain health for the sake of the economy' issue, finally.

   So you go Collins, tell us Key's on to it. Fantastic.

   https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/122338065/relax-border-restrictions-to-soften-covid19s-economic-blow-sir-john-key-says
   • Gabby 9.1

     5 August 2020 at 3:22 pm

     Sirjonkyponyboy's missing Hawaii.
10. novacastrian 10

    5 August 2020 at 12:03 pm

    I find it hard to be critical of National in this rare instance, as at least they are tabling policies. Much the same could be said of ACT, New Conservative, Greens and several other smaller parties.

    My own team are pretty much lame in the policy depart, which frankly I find disappointing from Labour, though I always found the whole Jacindamania sideshow very un-Labour like anyway. You can't avoid addressing genuine issues or avoiding having policies by trotting out another baby Neeve story.
    • observer 10.1

      5 August 2020 at 12:12 pm

      Please link to the baby Neve stories from the last 2 years. The ones Labour have been "trotting out", allegedly.

      She is the least photographed "celebrity" child in NZ. The RW nasties making stuff up on social media is not a source you should rely on.
      • novacastrian 10.1.1

        5 August 2020 at 2:44 pm

        Just search the Stuff and NZ Herald archives, add to that Baier media publications, and you'll find a plethora of the aforementioned Baby Neve related articles.
        • observer 10.1.1.1

          5 August 2020 at 2:57 pm

          But you didn't, did you?

          You specifically claim that Labour are "avoiding having policies by trotting out another baby Neeve story"

          This is false.
11. observer 11

    5 August 2020 at 12:25 pm

    In fact National announced plenty of policies under Simon Bridges (they may have been bad policies but at least they existed).

    But since he was dumped we just don't know if those policies are null and void. They seem to be both National policy and Definitely-Not National policy (as shown on the website in the OP). Added to the confusion is that Paul Goldsmith has been the Finance spokesman under 3 different leaders, with 3 different messages. All change, no change.

    This was a response to Covid-19. Is it still? Who knows?

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/120112824/national-promises-to-scrap-unfit-for-purpose-regulations-if-elected
    • Warren Doney 11.1

      5 August 2020 at 6:27 pm

      Simon had quite a range of discussion documents up on Nationals website apparently. These have been taken down, and are almost certainly being given a polish, ready to be rolled out at strategic times to take up air. Mathew Hooton was actually working on this before he resigned.

      I don't know why people think National won't have policy ready for their campaign, given it's what they are being criticised for the most. It's not like it's hard to produce, or necessarily accurate, or that they would feel the need to stick to it after being elected.

      Kiwibuild is a prime example of this. Labour would have almost certainly known the targets were impossible to meet without much more public funding and immigrant labour, but probably never expected to win the election.

      I expect most of National's roading announcements are bullshit too, just like the bridges of Northland were. They must know how notorious they are for being all about roads. Perhaps announcing them first is a tactical strategy?
    • georgecom 11.2

      6 August 2020 at 9:53 pm

      ahhhh the bonfire

      little did National know the thing they would be burning was their political credibility and votes
12. ianmac 12

    5 August 2020 at 12:50 pm

    Funny that the headline given to that old-timer John Key on National Radio was so breathtaking. He has figured out that there is more unemployment to come and harder times for business, especially for tourist businesses.

    Thank goodness we have such an erudite man to warn us of these unexpected troubles.
    • tc 12.1

      5 August 2020 at 1:30 pm

      Great to see a taxpayers funded broadcaster granting national PR airtime.

      A decent media wouldn't bother with him as he's clearly there in a partisan capacity to shore up the brand. RNZ's so fn lame.

      Did he get asked how much he loves Judith ?
      • Gabby 12.1.1

        5 August 2020 at 3:24 pm

        Did he get asked about Op Burnham?
      • Sacha 12.1.2

        5 August 2020 at 4:56 pm

        To be fair, the guy is Chair of our biggest bank, reported addressing a business audience (which media can never get enough of).
13. peter sim 13

    5 August 2020 at 9:04 pm

    Policies? When is the election? How many weeks?

    The media is starved of gossip, and bleats. Diddums.

    At least we are spared "opinionsters" boring us to death.
14. peter sim 14

    5 August 2020 at 9:24 pm

    National policy ,apparently, dumb post 05/08/20, headline national will have a new traffic tunnel in Wellington by 2023.

    Reading the item it would unlikely to be off the maps in the next decade.

    The chattering class are making themselves more irrelevant the more they bleat.

    Its called masturbation.
15. Bloke 15

    6 August 2020 at 10:43 am

    Judy and Gerry are going under the wall tonight, they are tunneling their way out of oblivion by announcing forward thinking policies like "roads something something and taxes something something"
    • georgecom 15.1

      6 August 2020 at 9:58 pm

      yes, and with the roads policy, they can announce the same road 3 or 4 times and pretend it is new and fresh policy each and every time

      sort of like turning your underwear inside out a few times before washing day

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