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The current rise of populism challenges the way we think about people’s relationship to the economy.We seem to be entering an era of populism, in which leadership in a democracy is based on preferences of the population which do not seem entirely rational nor serving their longer interests. ...
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Media alert: Kim Hill has a selection of worthy topics today! I'm going for these
8.10 Emerson T Brooking: combatting Russia’s disinformation campaign
9.05 Michael Schur: The Good Place creator's quest to be perfect
10.05 David Wengrow: rewriting the history of humanity
https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/saturday
I wonder if Kim will invite John Mearsheimer on her show one week.
She managed Nils Melzer a few weeks ago, on the political persecution of Julian Assange.
I doubt Mearsheimer would be permitted under the current tidal wave of pro-west propaganda.
Update on Labour's big play for this year:
Poor policy, deceptive spin, dishonest consultation. 3 waters has it all.
And Councils?
Great question. I think there's a couple out of the 67 who think it's a good idea. Aucklander's overwhelmingly oppose it. So it's not only a bad idea, it's a really unpopular one.
Yet I believe rates will become untenable as they do catch-up.
In the days before the invasion, Russian TV broadcast a session of President Putin's 30-member security council. The BBC includes a photo showing the immense distance between the top dog & the underdogs, along with profiles of the top underdogs…
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60573261
The guy is suffering from paranoia imo.
Some good analysis of the whole anti mandate protests.
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/convoy-politics-and-barbarians-at-the-gate?utm_source=Friends+of+the+Newsroom&utm_campaign=5534e58305-Week+In+Review+05.03.2022&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_71de5c4b35-5534e58305-47886425
Dr Ian Hyslop explains why it's urgent we address the social and political divisions that enabled the Parliament protest rather than "disparage the feral mob and order another latte"
Them's disparagin’ words, but Hyslop's article is a good read – ta.
The meme that this is a "division" rather than a small minority of the stupid, doesn't reflect reality. It gives the idea that they are a far bigger group than they really are.
Why didn't we hear about , "division" during the many times larger anti TPPA, anti AGW and gen zero protests.
Perhaps as those, unlike the Wellington one, were really supported by a significant number of people.
The current Wellington Pro Plague, along with the Pro Polluter protests are extremely noisy and disruptive, but certainly not reflective of the views of the overwhelming majority, who find the foolishness obvious.
By the way. Most of the people objecting to vaccine mandates, and travel restrictions, seem to be rather comfortable middle class Wallies. Workers and the ones at the dirty end of the Neo-Liberal stick, largely seem on side with protecting public health. About 300 to 2 in my workplace voted to make vaccination mandatory.
Democracy!
The Blue Collar Workers are accepting the mandates as they have to work and put food on the table and pay the rent.
The White Collar Workers have houses, assets and cash flow they are the ones jumping up and down and screaming.
That was them in the protest at Parliament right?
All those asset owners, jumping up and down screaming.
Maybe some of the "asset owning classes" were happy to finance aspects of it rather than "get their hands dirty"
"After all I didn't where I am today by getting my hands dirty" (hat tip to Reggie Perrin)
Blue collar workers, used to working together for the good of their community see the sense in mandates and other public health measures, to protect those close to them.
The there are, entitled brats, who have never had any concern for those around them…….
The divisions are divided.
please take this discussion to the Convoy post.
World leader who has ordered his nuclear forces to "High Combat Alert", loses touch with reality.
Really?
Is Putin trying to convince us that the Ukrainians are conducting false flag attacks on their own people?
Though Russian allegations of a false flag attacks may have convinced some people in the past over Syria. Putin's useful idiots in the West will have trouble spinning this story.
John Mearsheimer is not a 'useful idiot'.
He is ' an American political scientist and international relations scholar, who belongs to the realist school of thought. He is the R. Wendell Harrison Distinguished Service Professor at the University of Chicago. He has been described as the most influential realist of his generation.
Mearsheimer is best known for developing the theory of offensive realism, which describes the interaction between great powers as being primarily driven by the rational desire to achieve regional hegemony in an anarchic international system. In accordance with his theory, Mearsheimer believes that China's growing power will likely bring it into conflict with the United States. He also holds U.S. interventionist foreign policy responsible for the crisis in Ukraine.'
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Mearsheimer
I have no idea who John Mearsheimer is. Or what he has to do with anything.
Apart from the glittering academic career which you have written of in your comment.
But it brings to mind a quote I once read;
As to whether, John Mearsheimer, (whoever he is), is a useful idiot, or a useless one, I have no idea.
Does he support war and oppression in foreign lands?
Why wouldn't Putin try to convince us that the Ukrainians are conducting false flag attacks on their own people? You can be certain some will be convinced what he says is true and that will become The Word.
In the Herald today David Farrier alludes (again) to the weird things being said.
"I documented in real time Billy Te Kahika jnr's Facebook posts over that time (early Covid). Originally supporting Jacinda Ardern's reaction to Covid, within several months Billy became an entirely different beast, spouting conspiracy theories galore. He went into politics, failed miserably, and today is mostly raving about aliens on Facebook. Now Sue Gray — a more accessible, white face to the crazy — screams about dead children and vaccine deaths."
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/david-farrier-5g-911-kiwis-sucked-in-by-conspiracy-theories/LBHDWH7W3JCNBIV3JFORMNIB3M/
It is undeniable that Billy Te Kahika Jnr and Sue Gray are believed, their stuff accepted as truth.
Peter what's the story on Brian Tamaki and all his Gangster Mates ?
I don't know about Brian Tamaki and his "gangster mates."
Farrier references religious angle on the protest:
"Many of our biggest pentecostal and evangelical churches also drank the Kool-Aid, taking their adherents down an anti-science route that questioned whether Covid was real, or if masks worked. It's one thing for a church to deny evolution, it's another for it to deny modern science that will affect public health outcomes. "All those needles going into the arm, it's like they're trying to wear me down!" said the leader of one megachurch. "We do know it has not been fully approved by the FDA …" he raved on. He was wrong.
The media tended to focus on Destiny Church's Brian Tamaki, as he was the loudest and strangest, but it was City Impact Church pastor Peter Mortlock who drove to the Wellington "protest" to livestream his thoughts."
Tamaki seems to have aligned his cult with the 'Freedom & Rights coalition.' With that he is carrying on his permanent electioneering. The words are 'get rid of the government," the message is "pick me." Covid and vaccinations are merely handy handles.
Gangster mates? I don't know about that. I know a big body of loud motorbikes roaring in canyons of buildings sounds impressive to some. And threatening to others, what with the Headhunters, Mongrel Mob, Hell's Angels and so on references. No-one would believe that Tamaki wouldn't harness whatever is needed to make an impression.
Big guys, black gear, dark sunnies, staunch demeanour? It's like a parody of American gangster movies. It's a wonder Tamaki hasn't paid big bucks (from the people who willingly give him money to buy their way into heaven) to commission the Cohen Brothers to shoot a film about him.
Sad people, some misogyny?
Every faction/side in Ukrania needs to take responsibility to ensure a nuclear power plant is not hit or damaged due to the conflict.
A declaration of war against Europe was narrowly missed yesterday when bombs hit the training centre at the Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant.
A strike at a Ukrainian nuclear power plant was my worst fear at the start of the invasion.
I have been listening to speech after speech from the UN, Nato and the US. Words will not be enough for Putin.
The situation is dire for the Ukrainians, food shortage, bombed hospitals, the Russian convoy. I am pleased to see that many Polish and German people have taken Ukrainian people into their home, (other near by countries as well). Poland and Germany have faced Russia in the past and will be affected economically and the threat of a nuclear explosion cannot be excluded. Germany and Poland have moved on since 1945 and they are now on the same side and they stand side by side being Nato members.
Words don't mean jack shit to Putin he knows the UN and NATO are limp wristed.
I suggest that one means of settling the Ukraine invasion would be to have a duel between the leader of the Russian forces and the Mayor of Kyiv. One on one.
Now I realise that David beat Goliath in the Biblical story but I would put my money on the Ukrainian representative in this encounter. His name is Vitali Klitschko. If that doesn't ring a bell try googling the name and see what his previous occupation was.
Steroids or not Putin is almost 70….dont think he'd go for it
Hell, I wouldn't go for it if I was in my physical prime and 20 years old.
Actually I did mean the Russian military leader in the country rather than Putin. Not only is Vitali 19 years younger than Vladimir but he must be about 35 cm taller.
lol…Putin a black belt judoka so in his younger years he might have given it a go….guess it depends on the size of the ego
A Black Belt at 70 years old and in good shape would still be dangerous.
Black Belt is not to be taken lightly.
Depends on the weight class.
yes a fit 70 year black belt judoka would be dangerous to joe average but Kitschko is himself a former professional world champion boxer 20 years his junior.
Alwyn (and myself) indulging in pointless (and amusing) speculation about impossible events in the absence of impacting reality..i suspect.
And 70 year old muscles cant cash cheques written by 30 year old minds….as much as they wish they could.
"Alwyn (and myself) indulging in pointless (and amusing) speculation about impossible events in the absence of impacting reality".
Yes. Vitali, and his brother Wladimir, were both World Heavyweight Boxing Champions. I really doubt that any 70 year old politician, no matter his background would, survive.
And, unfortunately we aren't going to get rid of Putin that way. Still, one can always dream about him getting his comeuppance.
Nope…but if he is using steroids theres always heart attack
A dance-off, live before a studio audience, to give Zelinskyy a chance at winning.
The question is what would they wear?
dancing Kozaks?
oMG Shane Warne has died aged 52. A real shock.
I didn’t follow cricket when he was playing, but a great cricket commentator.
Also the wicket keeper Rodney Marsh.
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/mar/04/rod-marsh-the-baggy-green-brigadier-and-keeper-of-australian-test-cricket-culture
He was a wonderful wrist spinner …he basically won the Adelaide Ashes test single handed when Flintoff was England captain when Australia had no hope of winning.
He was an excellent commentator and everyone seems to agree that despite his huge success as a sportsman he was not up himself….very approachable and helpful
In all the tributes I have heard nobody has mentioned that he was also a very useful batsman….sorry batter.
Didn't hear any reference to him being a drugs cheat banned for 12 months for taking a weight-reducing diuretic either. But hey, lets remember "Warnie", the larrikin. Great cricketer, flawed individual.
Shane Warne died of being a terminal asshole.
Heart attack seems more likely – too soon, imho. A great sportsman and entertainer, I'll remember his appearance as a Shane Warne impersonator who marries Sharon in the Aussie sitcom Kath & Kim.
And, lest we forget, "I'm regrowing my own hair… Yeah Yeah!"
Given the suggested link between (long) COVID and impaired cardiovascular health, I wonder if the virus played a hand.
Nailed the race to the bottom today, and real classy with it, too.
Have some sense of decorum. Think of his kids.
Have some sense of decorum. Think of his kids. Ad
Too much hard living, covid statistic ?
NEWSFLASH: Autopsy reveals Shane Warne mostly cocaine.
Never a fan but to me, the real leading wicket taker over Muralitharan, despite the record book. Done for his mum's slimming pills but never his action.
52 is no age.
After recent stories of parents' distress on their babies trapped in the Ukraine – https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/aussie-parents-desperate-journey-to-reach-their-premature-baby-daughter-in-ukraine/NRLR564ON3CDLCRQAFSVKYGCRE/
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/four-irish-babies-born-to-surrogate-mothers-in-kyiv-evacuated-from-ukraine-1.4817766
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/we-feel-blessed-relief-for-irish-couple-as-they-arrive-home-safe-from-ukraine-with-surrogate-newborn-baby-41384634.html
– I wondered why is the Ukraine used for surrogacy, and discovered around 2,000 – 2,500 babies are born to foreign couples each year. It's an industry.
Surrogacy is an emotive issue. Particularly for those who are unwillingly childless.
But an ethical and moral discussion has to be had about the wider and long term impacts regarding the 'manufacture' and 'production' of children.
Regarding the Australian couple above:
It would be good to have a list of those considerations compiled here.
The Guardian had a 2020 article on the difficulty that arose from 'products' being stuck during the first months of the pandemic.
Princeton has published a paper on international commercial surrogacy that concludes:
On the horizon we have tech solutions, that come with their own mountain of unexplored ethical and moral considerations. As Dr Hanna says @00:45:
Culturally, we have whangai, which may arise from either an intentional or unintentional pregnancy. Akin to non commercial surrogacy.
What re the thoughts here on TS regarding surrogacy?
The more I look into commercial surrogacy, the more exploitative and short-sighted it seems.
Not sure the same holds true for non-commercial surrogacy, but there's still wider impacts than birth.
They – could of course adopt children in their home countries, all these couples that order babies from overseas birthing bodies, but that would then mean that they child is 'not theirs'.
I find it interesting that the only interest is in the babies, never mind the birthing bodies that are left behind in the war region.
But here is Tamati Coffey, 'father' of two babies from a surrogate mother and his bill to make it even easier to buy babies of birthing bodies for as little money as possible. Don't ever say these 'gender woo's' don't know what a women is when they need one. lol
https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/bills-and-laws/bills-proposed-laws/document/BILL_115955/improving-arrangements-for-surrogacy-bill
However we can't blame Tamati Coffey for having his priorities straight, maybe there is is a future industry for Rotorua in the making, all the unproductive uteruses of uterus havers (specially the unemployed) can be put to work birthing for 'infertile people' such as he and his husband are as two men together – despite all the myth of those afflicted with gender woo – never conceived a child nor birthed even just one.
Personally i can see a future – a near future at that, where unemployed women could be compelled to 'donate eggs' – as work, be a 'surrgate mother' – as work, i.e. for pay as income, or sell 'surplus' breast milk for money as a form of income.. That and of course then also sex work which is work and thus…….:) its gonna be a lovely future for the things we used to call 'women' adult human female.
Good to see you back Sabine. Missed your commentary.
Human breast milk is already a commercial product.
Of course, it's all for a good cause:
But as usual, the profit margin is greater in other demographics:
https://www.wired.com/2011/05/ff-milk/
https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/mother-selling-breast-milk-men-online-body-builders-fetishes-rafaela-lamprou-cyprus-a8237161.html
So open minded she participates in a fetish that reduces women to lactating bovines.
https://www.vice.com/en/article/d3599y/inside-hucow-the-fetish-that-imagines-women-as-cows
https://screenshot-media.com/visual-cultures/internet-culture/hucow-fetish-explained/
Read it and weep.
Yes, it already exist, but in my scenario a women aka human female adult (producer of ova ) can be compelled by a helpful Winz drone to get a 'job' in selling breast milk – they can feed their own kids some formula or so, get a job in -surrogacy for some people, they can get a job in selling eggs – its just a wee little surgery no harm done here no not at all, and / or sex work – its work, dignified work yes, it is, cause work is work and if you are able and fit and demand is there why won't you take it, and if you don't take it, here have some sanctions. I give it a few years.
"I give it a few years."
I'd like to say I think you are wrong, but given the current climate, I can see it happening.
(BTW, Hi Sabine!)
As for that bill:
My comments in bold italics.
"They – could of course adopt children in their home countries".
Not in New Zealand they can't. From the reference below, which is a Government publication and is probably accurate we are told.
"Adoptions reached their highest number in Aotearoa New Zealand in the 1970s, with nearly 4,000 children adopted each year. The number of adoptions in Aotearoa has reduced over time, with only 125 adoptions granted by the New Zealand Family Court in 2020."
https://www.justice.govt.nz/assets/Documents/Publications/Adoption-in-NZ-Summary-English.pdf
So no, I can't see it becoming a thriving industry.
alwyn, do you have a comment on surrogacy?
(Outcomes for standard adopted children are below average, independent of the adoptive family, which is another discussion in itself.)
I was replying to Sabine, at comment 9.1. The quote in the first line is from Sabine's comment. As such my comment didn't really have anything to do with surrogacy but to the implication in Sabines comment that couples don't have to use surrogacy when they can simply adopt.
I do know a number of people who were adopted. I don't find them to have been any different to anyone else. I don't know any that were born via surrogacy, but that probably has more to do with my age than anything else. Adopting was a standard option when I was the age to be having children and I know people who followed that path. You can't really do it today though. Surrogacy was unheard of.
I understand you were answering Sabine, just wanted to know if you had thoughts on surrogacy. As Sabine linked, there is a bill currently at first reading.
It would be good to have a public discussion on what this really legislates for.
"Surrogacy was unheard of."
Whāngai has always been around, My mother (now in her eighties) and two other siblings were whāngai placements. It still happens, if not so often, with reliable accessible contraception and support.
I believe Sabine has a good grasp of the wider ramifications of surrogacy, and the justifications for it – hence the adoption comment.
Looking at the process for commercial surrogacy the ethical and moral considerations are numerous. I was hoping there would be a discussion around those points. eg. the risk of medication required for implants/egg retrieval causing cancer being borne by the surrogate/provider, the commodification of children, and women's bodies, the emotional and social impact of carrying/ having someone else carry a child, the economic situation that allows this exploitation, etc.
"Thoughts on surrogacy".
No. Emotionally it seems rather odd to me, but that is just an instantaneous and not a considered response. Neither I, nor anyone in my immediate family had any problems procreating. Mind you my eldest sister took it to extremes. She had 4 children under the age of 3 by the time she had her fourth wedding anniversary.
However I am not able to make any reasoned comment on the topic of surrogacy so I will keep out of the discussion.
"However I am not able to make any reasoned comment on the topic of surrogacy so I will keep out of the discussion."
Thanks, alwyn. I appreciate your reply.
I'm interested in your last statement. I would expect that anyone given information about a situation, would be able to make a 'reasoned comment' albeit with provisos.
I wonder if the emotive nature of childbearing and childlessness, and the obscuring factor of this makes this topic yet another that will not be sufficiently investigated and discussed before passing legislation.
I admit to being bored by the repetitive and circular nature of discussions around the vaccines and protests, and thought there might be some interest in examining another topic that has legislation being considered.
Not sure how adoption is handled in NZ. This article that Molly linked to was about a couple in OZ that bought a pregnancy off a low income women in the Ukraine, and that was what my comment is about.
Disclaimer: I can not have children. Physically am not able to have children. Did not buy a pregnancy of a low income women to make up for the not having children. Did look into adoption, but choose not to go that way. Had a surrogacy offered to me by my best friend, and did not choose to go ahead, mainly for these reasons. A. my genetic material may not interact well with hers. B. nine month pregnancy is a long time on a women and her existing children. C. Pregnancy does things to womens bodies. D. Post Partum Depression is a thing. E. What if something goes wrong and the mother suffers? Just a few of the issues.
Yes, i can see the lease of the reproductive body parts of the human adult female become a thriving business. It already is in India, Ukraine, Russia etc. During the first month of the lockdown there already was a wave of babies not being picked up by their 'parents' etc, and these babies suddenly got stuck with their birthing parents. Suddenly we know what women and mothers are.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/15/the-stranded-babies-of-kyiv-and-the-women-who-give-birth-for-money
here from 2014 even with prices. lol
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-28679020
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2020/jul/29/up-to-1000-babies-born-to-surrogate-mothers-stranded-in-russia
Thanks, Sabine.
It's good to read someone's thought processes about consideration of surrogacy, and the reasons why they decided against it.
Pregnancy is not a neutral body condition. It puts a woman's body under stress, even through good pregnancies, leaches calcium, and as you say makes changes that need to be accommodated during gestation and beyond. The emotional and social costs are harder to articulate, but they do exist even if they are ignored.
It is telling that you had a friend that offered, and also that as a friend, you declined.
I was fortunate enough to be able to have children, and not be in the position of yearning and despair that I can understand in others. I think I would be inclined to think like you, and refuse an offer of surrogacy for some of the reasons you have stated. My partner and I would have to grieve the loss of that role as parents, but along with other life obstacles, we'd have to move on.
Thanks for responding. We need the objective views of the reality, as well as the understandably heartfelt entreaties from those who use other women as incubators. That price list, huh?
While I sympathize with the Ukraine we don't hear much about what the USA & Israel are doing in Palestine do we and that's been going on since 1948.
All right. I'll bite.
What has the USA been doing in Palestine. Just the USA and just Palestine.
Facts please, and supported by evidence.
Guessing this is on the wrong thread?
Children as a manufactured commodity has to be the most disgusting industry yet invented by humans.
Yet NZ is looking to legislate for it, without discussing or considering the wider ramifications.
Poor democracy practice.
Profitable it will be. And if you take in mind that we actively promoting the 'changing' of ones sex, and that that change comes with castration/sterilization it will be a booming business once all these people realize that they can no longer have children.
Never mind the kids that we are going to chemically castrate thanks to puberty blockers and the likes. But they will profit of the good lawmaking of Tamati Coffey and can then offer a womb rental agreement to some ‘uterus haver’ for a child that they can neither father, or in the opposite birth.
And hence the need to legalise and regulate the market as the bill by noted 'father' of two children born to a 'birthing body' via a uterus lease agreement.
Actually for what its worth, Tamati Coffey could have saved himself a lot of work and put forward the Ferengi Rules about womb leases and prices / costs there of.
https://memory-beta.fandom.com/wiki/Womb_rental_agreement
It is a profitable business. One article above states that couples pay $25,000 (I assume USD) to the business, the surrogate receives up to $10,000.
We have to view these arrangements objectively and dispassionately in order to identify whether they are both moral and ethical. Stripping away all emotive appeals, we are treating a woman's body as a manufacturing plant. Unlike a manufacturing plant, there are no replacement parts, or ways to avoid wear and tear. Also, we ignore the impact of pregnancy on a woman's life, especially one that results in no child for that woman.
Relating stories of euphoric or satisfied commercial surrogates, is the equivalent of using The Happy Hooker as justification for prostitution. The majority of women in commercial surrogacy are being exploited.
The issue of non-commercial surrogacy has other considerations to be discussed, but still – as you mention – carries risks.
Live long and prosper, Sabine.
So is 18,000 new infections per day as a rolling average the trigger to reverse the vaccine mandates?
Or is it the deaths per day?
Or maybe it's the limits to hospital ICU capacity, even without the strike?
Or is it how many minutes of national tax will be required to restore a child's slide on the parliamentary forecourt?
When will Ardern be able to set out specifically what the measures are by which the vaccine mandate will be determined that it can be removed?
We have 10 days left before the commemoration of the Christchurch massacre, and 20 days before ANZAC Day.
Get a wriggle on Government and show you can do more than emote.
'Are we there yet !?'
At 20,00 a day average the answer is … we don't even know where we are going.
I don't think so Barfly. Keep your head down. We are, for at least 6 weeks.
Agreed
The infection rate is probably underdone,due to the use of RATS and under reporting as say Dunedin or australia experienced.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-omicron-outbreak-20-residents-tested-positive-at-dunedin-aged-care-facility/J52V45MHZPNBQEJZ73S6HLGNXI/
The sharp drop of cases overseas is also a good example with the CDC only using PCR tests in its figures.
Here the death toll is now 73,and may exceed the road and workplace fatalities combined,with around a busload of fatalities a week to Anzac day.
Australia is tracking to exceed the death toll of Gallipoli by Anzac day,(in a shorter time period)
The government needs to start to look coherent again by the time the Christchurch and ANZAC memorials come around.
I'm glad I'm not in the Labour caucus right now. It must be miserable.
Well they missed the chch earthquake memorial as they were more concerned about the lawns and the curtains,and noisy neighbours,and so they could pass urgent legislation in this Brave New world ensuring the sanctity of Freemartins.
Polls dont reflect you 'concerns' Mr Ad
The curia one which I watch because it comes out every month has seen a rise every month since the Nov dip ( covid lockdowns) from 44.8 in Oct
But we know you just want to fluff Luxons pillows but dont dare do so here
You should try the New Zealand First caucus.
The mandates are only as good as those who comply with them.
I expect scanning is down. Probably getting a booster as well. I got boosted late last week and when I left I thought, that better be the last one.
A lot of people would know family who are infected with Covid. Hard because some would want to help those with young children, but cannot risk being infected.
By Matariki anyone who even mentions 'Vaccine Mandate' will have 18 skyrockets strapped to them and sent towards the Pleiades.
The 20+ thousand a day is our testing limit. Take it at that and do what you will with it.
As I once heard Muldoon say "You win some – you loose some"
Now that Apple has left Russia, Apple Maps has put Crimea back in Ukraine
ROFL
Interesting that Switzerland has abandoned 200 years of neutrality, and come out in support of Ukraine.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/neutral-swiss-adopt-sanctions-against-russia-2022-02-28/
And an interesting perspective over the announced change to legislate for an independent sanctions policy (rather than piggybacking on UN sanctions, which NZ has previously done – of course, the UN security council will never sanction Russia)
https://thediplomat.com/2022/03/russias-invasion-of-ukraine-will-change-new-zealands-foreign-policy/
Reply to Ad @ 10.3.1
Omicron does not give a rats arse about mandates.
Mandates have reached their full potential as far as preventing hospital admissions. Due to high infection rates no mandate is able to stop infections.
Governance mechanisms in water management don't usually attract this degree of analysis from the NZHerlad.
Three waters reform: Working group frustrated by government bottom lines – NZ Herald
The TLDR version is:
8 October local government election car crash.
It was done by RNZ and they just reprinted it
A lot of gaps in the papers these days where new stories are supposed to be ( ie they fill them with a link to a story all ready mentioned.
Im not sure of its covid related staffing problems or that the Ukraine situation has sucked all interest out of other stories and they are holding them back
The Society for Evidence Based Gender Medicine (and no, WPATH is not evidence based despite assumptions) have compared the newly released Swedish evidence reviewed policy with the draft of the updated WPATH due for release this year:
https://twitter.com/SEGMtweets/status/1498842485908463629
France has also updated their protocol, following the Netherlands, Finland, Denmark and Sweden.
And where are we?
https://patha.nz/Guidelines
The document as a whole shows an "affirming care" approach, at any age or stuation.
It contains many non-evidence based statements:
There have been no long term follow up studies on this. Current indications are that there are significant detrimental health outcomes, including bone mineralisation, cardiac health and brain development.
Max Tweedle on the Spinoff denigrates the paltry number (14/yr @ $53k) of gender affirming surgeries for the current annual $748,000 surgery budget, and the $4.23 million as a reason for the Rainbow Ministry. (Government provides support via other ministries to NGOs that aren't quantified).
Detrans support is not mentioned in the article, or indeed on many NGO sites. When it is the bias is clear:
Young people receiving 'affirming health care' in NZ are doing so on assumptive, non long-term evidence based data. They will carry the consequences of the failure of adults.
Will we require them to look and create their own support networks, on redditand elsewhere? Or will we recognise the reality that social, medical and/or surgical treatments during childhood and puberty are not benign and adjust treatment accordingly?
It is apparent to me that NZ is not only enthusiastically late to the party, we are going to stay till the hangover is guaranteed.
Thanks for posting this Molly. Good to have the update.
And the fear is with the Conversion Practices Bill, parents and possibly some health professionals may find them self being investigated by the police if they don't affirm/confirm the young persons gender identity.
I can't understand why people are up in arms about this.
"I can't understand why people are up in arms about this."
I have a comment in my head that contains a lot of swear words, but essentially I think they are 'Being Kind' instead of being aware, evidence-based, diligent and responsible.
'Affirming health care' is a solution looking for a problem and creating one. The new Swedish guidelines states their approach clearly:
I wonder about reposting this week day early on in the day. Any chance of this
Despite state repression and censorship.
Anti-war feeling in Russia is growing.
The war in the Ukraine will be won/lost in Russia
Any alternative view or not towing the state line your life is put in danger.
Lost a comment.
Too many links?
yep. You can put some links in a reply.
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Sorry. Thanks for that.
Really? Not saying men can't be pro-women's rights but surely to be a feminist you have to be active in that particular field.
Of course Chris, who ran an airline in case you didn’t know, brings up said airline as proof of his record as a feminist:
And good on him, this looks like affirmative action on steroids. I wonder if he will do the same for Maori, or will his voting base balk at that.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/03/christopher-luxon-absolutely-a-feminist-wants-more-diversity-and-inclusion-in-national.html
What is going on with the Covid testing and RAT roll out in Wellington?
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-omicron-outbreak-testing-staff-abused-assaulted-amid-rats-desperation/SPEGT6ZLS545BZ6SJ4MS2WMJYA/?c_id=1&objectid=12508734&ref=rss
Just a symptom of a large scale testing stuff up, Hipkins and Verall need to be stood down.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/127944619/covid19-gobsmacking-queues-at-christchurchs-rat-collection-site
It's a surge, mate. It's the surge. This is NZ's worst time in the whole pandemic but here we are complaining about a few queues and some arseholes trying to steal tests to sell on the black market.
Big fucking deal.
Do you remember what happened in other counties?
Yes we all knew ,so why were they so unprepared? and why open the borders in the growth phase of an epidemic,is it because the government is thick,very thick or total imbeciles?
Opening the borders is something you have been wanting for some time, surely? Not sure why you are questioning it now.
It might look to you they are unprepared because you can't buy a RAT for $50 a pop whenever you feel the need, but given pandemic response in not an exact science, I think they are doing remarkable well. The numbers certainly confirm that.
There is comparatively no disaster here, you seem to enjoy imagining or inventing one though.
I have been consistently arguing to hold the borders,Pandemic response is a known science and there are constraints,Vaccines alone are a losing strategy.This is textbook stuff.
https://twitter.com/WmHaseltine/status/1492529219905200128?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1492529219905200128%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fpublish.twitter.com%2F%3Fquery%3Dhttps3A2F2Ftwitter.com2FWmHaseltine2Fstatus2F1492529219905200128widget%3DTweet
The strategy is called Vaccines plus,it is very workable and cost efficient and has been well signalled.
https://www.bmj.com/content/376/bmj.o1
Yeah, and NZ is doing all those health measures plus vaccines. It's exactly those things we are doing which differs from the rest of he world. It's those things that we are doing which makes the ACT, the far right, the anti-vax, and the anti-mandate people so angry.
All those things are exactly what this government and the country has done so well, but you are bagging them and us for it. I don’t understand.
Personally, I think that Pfizer booster slays Coronavirus. It almost literally knocked me off my feet the next day and my hunch is it turns the Covid lion into a mouse.
Here let me put it another way.
https://twitter.com/DGBassani/status/1499845795918589952?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1499847526769467393%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es2_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fpublish.twitter.com%2F%3Fquery%3Dhttps3A2F2Ftwitter.com2FDGBassani2Fstatus2F1499847526769467393widget%3DTweet
My partner's employer (a
n essential, sorry 'critical' industry) had their order of RAT tests, prioritised to the MoH by the supplier just last week. Not the first time.The failure of the MoH to order and secure sufficient supply for this outbreak, is apparent.
What a surprise. National Party members were inside the protest meeting with the anti-vax rabble. Maureen Pugh knows all about it.
Luxon knew nothing, of course.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/462799/national-mp-party-members-were-meeting-with-parliament-protesters