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Open Mike 09/11/2016

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  1. nzsage 1

    I guess this is what we can expect from the TPPA,

    Democratically elected bodies unable to do what’s right for the community,

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-37910431

  2. Ad 2

    If anyone thinks the National government has lost its’ touch, check out their media management.

    Last Friday, within just a few hours of the OAG issuing its Saudi sheep bribe decision, Murray McCully called a press conference before the parliamentary media had had time to read it, and he read out essentially the first paragraph or so of the AG’s statement, and then we’re all off to the All Blacks. Job done very neatly.

    Yesterday, the Department of Corrections released at 4.30pm a number of reports from months and years ago that it had been hanging on to, which showed how staff in jails had enabled prisoners to form contests in which they beat the living crap out of each other with no rules. 4.30pm of course is too late for the tv news, and largely too late for any radio news.

    And now, the morning after, we have the news-conquering US elections to smother what would otherwise be a series of Departmental sackings and Ministerial major inquiries. Open briefly for your minor democratic window, and slam hard shut.

    Whoever is running the plays inside Key’s office, they are still to be reckoned with.

    • tc 2.1

      Only works when the MSM play along and do not pursue the govt later on which we all know is what happens.

      A half decent MSM would make an even bigger deal of these issues due to the sneaky timing as they’d be waiting for these bad news dumps knowing the govt is trying to sweep them under the rug.

      Good journos take great pride in picking up such issues and serving it back up in prime time when pollies least expect it…..not here of course.

    • Garibaldi 2.2

      That’s for sure ad….. a very well oiled machine, and with the huge team of spin doctors they’ve got assembled we can only expect more bs .
      I understand a good proportion of these greasers are ex journos?

      • James 2.2.1

        And on the other side we have angry Andy attacking the media on tv (see news hub and tv1) and had how many press secretary’s leave ?

        Perhaps it’s not that national are so good – it’s just that an inept labour make them look that way.

        • Bearded Git 2.2.1.1

          @James…..How about talking about Labour’s policy for a change which helps NEET’s while National puts them on the scrap heap as lazy wasters.

          The whole National agenda (and their trolls on this site) is to deflect from talking about actual policies-the Standard bloggers should not buy into this.

          Talk policies; talk Labour/Green bloc.

        • Robert Guyton 2.2.1.2

          I don’t think that’s it at all, James. Garibaldi, tc and Ad have it right and your comment is wrong, your conclusion faulty. Added to that is your repeated and infantile use of name calling with Andrew Little; it just makes you sound very …young, and not in a “fresh, shows great promise for the future” way. You come across as lightweight and squabbley.

          • james 2.2.1.2.1

            Well Mr Guyton, Im shocked that you do not like infantile use of name calling. But Given on this blog Shonkey, Donkey, Nazts (or something like that), ponytail puller, are common usage and far worse comments are used frequently about National members, or supporters are rarely pulled up, and from memory never questioned by yourself as being infantile, its a little hypocritical of you to start now because its someone you get behind.

            And if Angry Andy dosnt want to be called that – perhaps he can take some coaching about how he comes across. It will probably do his blood pressure the world of good also.

            • Richard Rawshark 2.2.1.2.1.1

              this site needs an ignore feature..just saying

              so we can block james and chucky.. the other nats here are far more mature than these two.

              I state with total conviction that those two are not worthy of this site, because their contribution here is to bait people and make them angry..

              doubt me.. admin, check their posts times lines and what they posted to any topic..it’s always the same cut and paste of AL and baiting him and us.

              boot them off. or boot me off if i’m wrong, lied or discredited them in your eyes.

              .

            • Robert Guyton 2.2.1.2.1.2

              James. This is a Left wing blog. If ” Shonkey, Donkey, Nazts (or something like that), ponytail puller…” etc upset you, you are able to cease your visiting to what you know will be a site that’s less-than-appreciative of the Government. To justify your own name calling by squealing, “but they started it!!!” further cements the impression you give of being a “youngster” in your mode of expression. You go on to advise Andrew Little on what to do if he “dosnt (sic) want to be called that” showing me you aren’t reading for meaning before you respond. Andrew’s not asking you to use a more mature form of communication, I am. It’s me who “dosnt (sic) want you to call him that here, because it’s dull, small-minded, feeble, petty and reflects poorly on you. k?

              • james

                RG,

                “Added to that is your repeated and infantile use of name calling with Andrew Little; it just makes you sound very …young, and not in a “fresh, shows great promise for the future” way. You come across as lightweight and squabbley.”

                So what you are saying that its infantile and comes across as lightweight as squabbley because Im saying it about Andrew Little on a left wing blog.

                But if I use the same terms (or similar) about someone of the right its OK and would be considered a mature form of communication?

                You can see how stupid that comes across right?

                If name calling is bad – then its bad. You shouldnt get to choose just because of someones political point of view.

                Even the labout party principles include: Equality in human rights regardless of race, sex, marital status, sexual orientation, gender identity, age, religious faith, political belief or disability.

                ** Note to mod – not saying this is a labour party blog etc – but saying that the labour party have this as a princible as little (the subject of this conversation) is the leader.

                Do you disagree with this?

                Should we just remove political belief – or would you prefer we took our some of the others as well – you know sex, sexual orientation?

          • Invisible Axe 2.2.1.2.2

            “You come across as lightweight and squabbley.” Ouch!

          • Puckish Rogue 2.2.1.2.3

            “Added to that is your repeated and infantile use of name calling with Andrew Little; it just makes you sound very …young, and not in a “fresh, shows great promise for the future” way. You come across as lightweight and squabbley.”

            I’m glad you bought this up because I agree with you so I expect you’ll take to task people who are disrespectful to our democratically elected leader as well?

            (Don’t worry I’m not really expecting you to :-))

            • Robert Guyton 2.2.1.2.3.1

              Pucky! At last, the chance of a deal between you and me! I’ll speak sternly to anyone I see calling Key, “ponyboy” or whatever, if you’ll commit to never again reminding us of your certainty about the results of the coming election.
              Deal?

              • Puckish Rogue

                Does this mean I have to preface everything with “in my opinion” or something similar and what if someone straight out asks me?

                • No. It means stop your endless repetition of the meme you are trying to embed here for the purpose of disheartening lefty readers. You know what I mean.

                  • Puckish Rogue

                    See I don’t think that’s a fair deal, on a political site you want me to stop saying I think National will win in 2017 whereas all you want to do is basically be polite to people

                    • weka

                      Sounds so innocent doesn’t it. ‘I just want to be able to say who I think will win the next election’. Never mind the totally trolly way that you do it PR.

                    • Puckish Rogue

                      Can’t fight the ban hammer in bold so I won’t even try 🙂

                    • stigie

                      Freedom of speech is being shut down PR, they just don’t like it up em..?

                    • Puckish Rogue

                      I was actually trying to be amusing, in that I was suggesting Roberts offer was a bad deal kind of thing

                      It didn’t quite work like I thought it would…I should have added a smiley face 🙂

        • reason 2.2.1.3

          The NZ media are either extremely useless or extremely biased James …. probably a bit of both.

          How else do you explain the fact the John Keys millionaires GFC bailout was never reported in any of our media ????????

          I’ve still to find out how many millions he was gifted by the American taxpayers….

          When he was saved from his losses for being a useless greed driven investor ……

          Perhaps you could help me James? …… the answer will be found once we know how many Merrill Lynch shares he had as it was falling into bankruptcy …..

          Or in how many Bank of America shares he has now …. as his bailout charity came in the form of a share swap gift ….. when worthless Merrill ones were swapped for Bank of America ones.

          How may millions in charity did our millionaire merchant banker PM take from ordinary and poor people in the U.s.a ????

          I’d like to find out and our news media seemed to have a blackout on the story …. providing zero information.

    • Chuck 2.3

      Saudi Sheep has been all over the news since last Friday. Problem is the opposition went all in on the bribery aspect of it, which the AG found no case to answer. That blunted the ability of the opposition to make anything out of…

      Kelvin Davis went all in on Private Jail contractors being at fault for fight clubs. Now it has been shown that Union staffed prisons are no different, it is embarrassing for Davis and the Union.

      Will be interesting to see how Davis / Labour decide to react to this. Its now not so easy to just blame Private contractors.

      • Puckish Rogue 2.3.1

        I think the Saudi deal was an absolute clusterf**k and McCully should be gone but, unfortunately, I don’t think its an issue the public cares all that much for so National won’t get much of a hit against it

        • Robert Guyton 2.3.1.1

          Hey again, Pucky. What’s your opinion about Key’s statements about the importance of what McCully did? He seems to be saying that it’s nothing to be concerned about (the bribery, misleading Parliament etc.) because a trade deal with the Saudi’s is now more likely. Do you support that view? Do you think such behaviour is acceptable, as Key is claiming?

          • Puckish Rogue 2.3.1.1.1

            No I don’t but its not enough to get me to change my vote as the good National have done still outweighs the bad

            • Robert Guyton 2.3.1.1.1.1

              Good answer, Mr Puck, ” the good National have done still outweighs the bad” is central to your support, I recognise and that you don’t support Key’s behaviour and claims (at times) is a nice, honest statement from you. I notice you are careful, still, not to use Key’s name or describe any detail at all about what he does, but that’s your “quarantining” way, annoying to people who would like to have a more in depth discussion with you, but you’ve got it down pat, so no hope of progress there. Do you get the incongruity of your forcing discussion on aspects people here don’t want to discuss by employing your trollish techniques, contrasted with your own, “I’m not interested in discussing that” close down when someone might like to tease out a Key-centred issue? Just wonderin’…

              • Puckish Rogue

                Honestly you’re giving me much more credit for being duplicitous then I really deserve

                No I don’t but its not enough to get me to change my vote as the good John Key has done still outweighs the bad, however John Key has let down his supporters quite badly over this and should have publicly dismissed McCully

                Better?

        • Chuck 2.3.1.2

          “I think the Saudi deal was an absolute clusterf**k and McCully should be gone”

          Agree totally PR.

          I think McCully won’t be around for too much longer anyhow…

  3. Puckish Rogue 3

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11744186

    How can someone so talented be so…dumb

    Fans hate on Daniel Cormier for being boring in the ring but by all accounts hes a good guy outside of the ring whereas the fans all love Jon Jones but outside the ring hes a complete douche

  4. Morrissey 4

    Susie Ferguson is still hopelessly, embarrassingly inept
    RNZ National, Wednesday 9 November 2016, 8:55 a.m.

    Radio hosts can be categorized, sort of. There’s crass: Mike Hosking, Paul Henry, Willy and JT. There’s ignorant: Hosking, Leighton Smith, Larry “Lackwit” Williams. There’s nasty: Hosking, Leighton Smith, Larry “Lackwit” Williams, Kerre McIvor, Jim Mora. There’s plain crazy: Leighton Smith.

    And then there’s…Susie Ferguson. She’s in a class of her own. This morning she interviewed a correspondent in Ireland about the homecoming of the Irish rugby team, which beat the All Blacks in Chicago on Sunday morning (NZ time). It was a great game, no doubt about it. But it was a FRIENDLY match. It wasn’t the Rugby World Cup, it wasn’t the Six Nations, it wasn’t the Triple Crown. It was a friendly. So, while every Irish fan is no doubt delighted, none of them would be so deluded as to go totally over the top celebrating a win, no matter how splendid, in what was merely a friendly match.

    Surely not. Surely….

    SUSIE FERGUSON: [deadly serious] There’s not even going to be a PARADE for them in Dublin?!?!?!?

    For some earlier Susie Ferguson performances, click here….

    Open mike 18/11/2015

  5. Puckish Rogue 6

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11744535

    “It did conclude there was a fight club operated at Mt Eden Corrections Facility (MECF) – and also found evidence to support prisoners’ claims that fight clubs were being “similarly operated” at Northern Region Corrections Facility and Rimutaka Prison, both run by Corrections.”

    This is disgraceful and I fully expect Kelvin Davis to take corrections to task over this

    • Gangnam Style 6.1

      I am sure he will? Why wouldn’t he? Oh, your comment was dishonest bad faith & for trolling purposes, & there I was thinking you actually cared about the prisoners, d’oh! (seriously who gives a fuck if they private or state run, ‘fight clubs’ are shite & hopefully the minister responsible will take responsibility & resign, yeah right! Lets blame Labour instead!).

      • Puckish Rogue 6.1.1

        I’m not blaming Labour, I’m pointing out that Kelvin Davis doesn’t care about prisoners either and was merely using it a club for attacking National with (which is fine, hes in opposition so hes gotta do what hes gotta do)

        But where is everyone one else that was saying how bad Serco is and how prisons should be run by corrections because they’re so much better, where are they now?

      • Chuck 6.1.2

        Davis used the fight club at Mt Eden to highlight that is what happens when the Government use a Private Contractor like Serco to run a prison, and that type of behaviour would not of happened / and or would have been stopped very quickly in a Union staffed prison.

        It seems Kelvin Davis was wrong.

  6. Penny Bright 7

    Keeping the pressure on – in between elections …..

    Speaking rights granted for Penny Bright ‘Anti-privatisation / anti-corruption Public Watchdog’.

    Extraordinary Auckland Council Governing Body meeting ‘Public Forum’.

    WHEN: Thursday 10 November 2016
    TIME: 9.30am
    WHERE: Auckland Town Hall

    _________________________________

    8 November 2016

    ‘Open Letter’ / Request from ‘Anti-privatisation / anti-corruption Public Watchdog’ Penny Bright, for speaking rights under ‘Public Forum’ at the Extraordinary Meeting of Auckland Council Governing Body, 10 November 2016.

    Dear Mayor Phil Goff,

    My intended subject matter, is the need for statutory compliance by Auckland Council elected representatives and staff, regarding the ‘Rule of Law’ which pertains to transparency in the spending of public monies, particularly on public services currently provided by private sector consultants and contractors.

    In particular, the Public Records Act 2005, and the Local Government (Auckland Council) Act 2009.

    Given that I have been successful in obtaining a Local Government And Environment Select Committee Report, regarding my concerns on the current lack of transparency particularly with Auckland Council Controlled Organisations (CCOs) with their spending, I look forward to the opportunity to formally (and briefly) share with this new 2016 Auckland Council, my constructive recommendations for a positive path forward.

    In essence, how can you have genuine transparency and accountability without full and accurate public records, available for public scrutiny?

    How can you act in a fiscally prudent way, which enables genuine ‘cost-effectiveness’ in the spending of public monies, unless you first know exactly where the ‘costs’ fall?

    How can you start preparing any future Auckland Council planning without first having this vital information on Auckland Council and Auckland Council Controlled Organisation (CCO) spending?

    Kind regards,

    Penny Bright

  7. Richard Rawshark 8

    http://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/costs-awarded-to-prisoner-held-in-jail-for-too-long/ar-AAk46Kt?li=BBqdk7Q&ocid=iehp

    Didn’t the National party specifically Judith say this was NOT going to happen..

    so adamantly..

    is this the kind of lie we can add to the Key National crimes of lying list.

    So cunning she is, how did she manage to get that decision to fall on election day where it would go..un-noticed.

  8. Red 9

    One thing some hard lefty and Greenlabour sychophsnts on this site can take from US election is stop blaming the media (msm backed Hillary all the way) and big money does not win elections ( Clinton outspent trump by a mile ) , I guess you Can still hold on to voters are stupid

  9. weka 10

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