Currently hiking the countryside in Wales, and can I just say how proud I am to be a Kiwi. I have had a few days to reflect on the tragic events back home. The way that New Zealanders have responded to the tragic events on Friday has been incredible. We have news stories of farmers handing in their guns, we appear to have cross party support for swift changes to gun laws, and above all else people of all races/religions have come together to support the Muslim community in NZ in their darkest hour. You only need to compare this response to the way in which the USA responds to gun crime, to appreciate how great a country we live in.
We were in a pub on Saturday watching the game between Wales and Ireland, there was a minute of silence for the Muslim community in Christchurch, and I can tell you that you could have heard a pin drop in the bar – something I will never forget.
In an obscenity-laden email, Kiwi Farms founder Joshua Moon dismissed the plea by Detective Senior Sergeant John Michael as “a joke” – labelling New Zealand “a small, irrelevant island nation” and “s***hole country”.
Why can’t we as 5 eyes to get the info from th bus based site?
I think that the NZ government should issue a statement that this website has no connection with the government or general public of NZ, as we are virtually implicated in that name Kiwi Farms. Who are these awful people?
And that reminds me of how stupid and naive and unbusinesslike our leaders have always been. Government and business. They should decades ago, even a century ago, have bought back the name Kiwi once they realised it was a national identifier used for Kiwi shoe polish. Then it belongs to the country not to every geltmeister that wants to use it for their own scummy purposes.
Great article from a great citizen – Dame Anne Salmond
“After this terrible tragedy, let’s be honest, for once. White supremacy is a part of us, a dark power in the land. In its soft version, it looks bland and reasonable.
Eminent New Zealanders assure their fellows that Māori were “lucky” to be colonised by Europeans, that te reo Māori is worthless, that tikanga Māori have nothing to teach us.
Others simply assume ancestral legacies from Europe are superior to those from the Pacific — in the law, science, social and cultural life….”
Thanks for the link marty. Agree 100%
Can I return the favour with an article I just read on Vox – It looks at the problem of extremist in the US – but it is just as pertinent to us here.
In two documentary films, White Right: Meeting the Enemy and Jihad: A Story of the Others (both of which are currently streaming on Netflix), Khan sits down with white supremacists and jihadists (respectively) and tries to understand what’s really motivating them. It’s an attempt to cut through the rhetoric and the ideological trappings and find out why so many young men — and yes, it’s primarily young men — are drawn to extremist movements.
The results are stunning. At the beginning of White Right, for example, she says to Jared Taylor, a prominent white supremacist, “I am the daughter of immigrants. I am a Muslim. I am a feminist. I am a lefty liberal. And what I want to ask you is: Am I your enemy?” Taylor is an old hardliner and so he doesn’t buckle, but Khan’s interactions with other white supremacists go in surprising directions, and you learn quite a bit about who these people really are
Here is the Trailer to one of the two films she made “White Right. Meeting the Enemy”
I think the interview on Vox is hugely enlightening.
I must say that I’m one who would call out these white idiots for what they are and not have a bar to them. But as the interview shows – really that is what they crave – to be vilified and feared. To actually break them down is to actually engage. It seems contradictory to all reason. But as this brave young woman found and demonstrates – it can actually have a profound effect.
The documentary is an outstanding piece of work. I could not find a ‘conventional’ link…
While there are some differences between the white supremacists in US and NZ, much of it is the same. This documentary should be used in an advisory capacity here. Especially watch out for the ones in suits. They’re out of the woodwork in US, some of them…
Racism, all racism, is completely and utterly wrong.
Unless they’re Orange. Fuck that guy and his shitty crustacean face.
She’s brilliant, and she’s right. I am a Pakeha – my family are Maori and my profession is in Early Childhood Education. I see and hear casual racism around me constantly and it often comes from people who should know better some of whom purport to be my friends. Every time you feel your heart cracking a little more.
Yes Jan I understand the heart breaking bit. I am a Māori who can walk in 2 worlds and I have heard so many hurtful racist comments sometimes even from people who i have, up to that point, thought were ok people.
I’m a white guy who challenges casual racism when it crops up (jokes they say! – mostly). I’m fucking exhausted repeating myself I can’t imagine how it is for you.
That being said – the ‘funny’ casual racist Australian that visits next door didn’t have boo to say as we talked about events this weekend. Very subdued. Introspective one would hope.
Ta mate yes it is exhausting for us all because it is so stupid. Bit like the graphic – racism for dummies. On one side 3 eggs – dark medium and light coloured shells. On the other side 3 eggs are unshelled on the plate looking exactly the same. Seems just so simple.
They should teach people that if you wouldnt say something about a race if a person of what ever race that is was standing there then its casual racism.
Had an old falla say to me today that I’d learnt his Maori trick for fixing a fence today . He looked a little stunned when i said that’s funny because i learnt it from a pakeha.
You kid yourself most times that they aren’t worth the dignity of an “argument” knowing most times you will face, as per below, “just joking” often followed by “some of my friends are . . . .”.
Will this open some eyes? Is this really what it takes? I can see it is mainly through young kids mixing at school that change might come, things are too entrenched in older people who have “kept to themselves” all their lives. From seeing that I actually know that I have somethings to learn myself, I just hope enough people have enough conscious to do it.
@ Marty – in some ways I’m reluctant to make the following comment because for many, they simply don’t like having their attitudes (whether conscious or unconscious) challenged. In many ways, if anything good has come out of the past week, it is that many are being forced to do so.
Dame Anne’s contribution is one of the most accurate, succinct and non-sensational pieces I’ve seen in a long long time. When it first appeared at 5am this morning, it hit you in the face on Granny’s website, and I wish it had remained there – top billing.
As she states: “………ancestral legacies from Europe are superior to those from the Pacific — in the law, science, social and cultural life….”
What interests me is how this plays out in terms of power relations in our Public Service. Admittedly things were bad in the 60s and 70s , slightly improving over time, but as she suggests, they continue to bubble away just below the surface.
I’m not going to couch it in terms of the “white NZer” but rather as the NZer with European ancestral legacies – they remain firmly in control of our public services, and therefore in the way in which we have been governed. I’m hoping that’s about to change.
I was also hoping – even before the Herald piece was published – that someone such as Dame Anne , and even Susan Devoy might have input into the upcoming inquiry into security services, Police, Customs and Immigration NZ.
(incidentally, if the past week hasn’t provided enough reason to take INZ out of the MBIE umbrella – which has a business focus – and which has prioritised its operations primarily on that basis over the past decade, I don’t fucking know what ever will.
But having said that, DON’T be surprised if there are recommendations from the ‘seniors’ having those European ancestral legacies to suggest a need for some sort of ‘Border Force’. If that ever comes to pass, it’ll show me at least how legacies will prevail)
But you see it all play out in various ways – from the serious to the trivial.
As far as things trivial – the way we copy the Motherland in ambulance and police vehicle colour schemes – supposedly based on ‘best practice’.
As far as the more serious things go – in the way the “we” the “us” have responded to the likes of Anjum Rahman, or a couple of others who tried to report their concerns over what we now describing as white supremacy.
Or the way those with that senior public servants with “European ancestral legacies” actually though it OK to undertake all that “Demographic Profiling’ in the first place, and then in the second place, the way they sought to justify it after they were told it was unacceptable.
Or the way they faffed around when a NZ-born Maori taken overseas at the age of 6 months attempted to return at the age of 28.
Or the way INZ (predominantly headed by those with those ‘European legacies’) continue to fail understand other cultures.
Having said all the above, there are positive signs. Jacinda Adhern has excelled herself – much to the disappointment of her opponents. And her government has been acting in quietly behind the scenes.
We’ll see whether that continues I guess. I’ve just lost extended family who’ve decided to return to their birthplace after having had close to ten years of public service ‘European legacies and colonial attitude’ foisted on them and decided it was all too hard. I may yet follow them.
Has anyone discussed the Christchurch attack and gun control from a neo-liberal/monetarist perspective?
In 1984 Monetarist economic policies were introduced to New Zealand which were actually social policies as well, and can be summed up simply as individual rights are more important than the public good. It came in all sorts of guises such as “user pays”, “level playing fields” and “trickle down theory” and attacks on the union movement ie an economy where you give individuals as much freedom as possible and remove the state, is a more efficient productive economy. Anything that opposes individual rights is bad.
Since then, there has been an inertia in national and local government in implementing any sorts of restrictions on individual rights whenever there is a conflict between the two.
What made me think about this was a post by Martyn Bradbury which asks, if we can ban single use plastic bags and fireworks, why can’t we ban semi-automatic weapons. The fact is, that despite thousands of New Zealanders signing a petition to ban fireworks, and hundreds of animals killed, injured and frightened every year, we are still no closer to banning fireworks and probably have less chance of banning them than banning semi-automatic guns.
You see the same thing being played out in issue after issue, and in virtually all cases, national and local government is either slow to act, and only after huge public pressure, or continues to favour individual rights and not act at all.
Folks aren’t yet ready for deep thinking around the situation: most of them are still in reaction mode. The obvious link to neoliberalism is re the electoral mandate for excessive immigration – I’ve never seen any evidence that the left/right govts producing it in western countries did so on the basis of an electoral mandate.
If they did not seek that mandate, it would provide a logical basis for the rightist push-back (which the left keep claiming is due to racism).
So the left/right govts that have been using neoliberalism the past 30 years may have been given instructions to bring in excessive immigration covertly, as part of the elite agenda. The Bilderbergers don’t allow media to report their meetings, but they remain entirely open to informing the public which western political and industrial leaders attend. Other opinion leaders get invited regularly too: the influential historian Niall Ferguson acknowledges his involvement in his 2017 book about “Networks and Power, from the Freemasons to Facebook”:
“In consequence of my work as a writer and professor, I have also joined a number of economic and political networks such as the World Economic Forum and the Bilderberger meetings.”
The establishment uses democracy as a façade just like the puppet shows we watched at beach carnivals as kids. Most people are captivated accordingly. Use of the left & right as glove puppets goes back to the 19th century but it only becomes obvious to the few who read history…
“Folks aren’t yet ready for deep thinking around the situation: most of them are still in reaction mode.”
More attempted shaming – I’ve put up links to lots of thoughtful articles from thoughtful people thinking deeply as have others. I’ve read deep deep analysis by some on here and shallow thinking too. I think you are showing how irrelevant and out of touch some can be in the face of horrendous events.
Sometimes “fuck off muppet!!!!!!!” is so much of an easier response, and probably a more economical use of time and place. But of course we’re adults in here eh?
It’s why I’ve decided to comment on rare occasions, but sure as shit there are quite a few that test my caring and sharing-I’m so cool’look at moi disposition
/sarc
Btw @ Dennis – you had me fooled but you also reminded me of something.
“Never judge a book by its cover”.
It’s a valuable lesson.
Now where is the Beige Badger when he’s needed ? (Probably stuck half a mile up a DF arse somewhere)
If they did not seek that mandate, it would provide a logical basis for the rightist push-back (which the left keep claiming is due to racism).
Of course it is due to racism you prat. In the North here we have had a flood of immigrants from the US, England, Germany and (white) South Africa yet we don’t have people complaining about, threatening, damaging property of, or trying to kill these immigrants.
I fail to see how conflating the right with the alt-right can lead to intelligible political discourse. The whole point of responsibility for behaviour is correct allocation. The killer was alt-right, so blaming rightists is banal – particularly when the media is full of rightists condemning the massacre in the same terms as anyone else.
Your repetitious use of personal abuse here serves a worthwhile purpose: it draws attention to the habit moderators have of tolerating it. The longer this continues the more likely it will become that this forum gets a reputation for formenting an abusive culture…
Why would the moderate right wing push back against immigrants full stop? The concern among the moderate right is not that immigration ceases, but that a sovereign nation gets to set its own immigration policy. NZ has had moderate left and right governments. In the past few decades their appears to be little difference between the respective immigration policies they have implemented.
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Interesting stuff. Helps when asking Why??
This resonates. The establishment uses democracy as a façade just like the puppet shows we watched at beach carnivals as kids. Most people are captivated accordingly. Use of the left & right as glove puppets goes back to the 19th century but it only becomes obvious to the few who read history…
It seems that democracy was only a first step training ground to becoming a citizen and moving to a balanced, better way of living and running the country than the familiar despots and paeons. But apparently you have to take politics seriously, be working at it all the time; learn about it not just regard education as alphabet soup.
We have let it slip out of our fingers, thinking we have got it, leave it to others to run, and now all will be fine! Can we sharpen up, learn how to stop half- understanding each other, falling off the argument track into splintered fragments? Can we establish groups of people in each town who specialise in one area of governance and are knowlegeable and who come together to advise government? And have regular meetings that talk about problems that locals have put up, and have people come along and listen, with speaking time. A bit like local Council usually does. And can those people think and agree what is needed, and put ideas forward on which public interested in the public good can vote? Then they would go ahead as remits for action locally to fit into national plans and be the basis of government actions. (Cleangreen and a group apparently, has been doing this for a while over the need for rail access to Gisborne).
It seems that is one way we can get our democracy back out of the hands of superior, narcissistic people who are really callous and self-interested.
In the Greens we decided to advocate participatory democracy. Not so much to replace representative democracy, more as a complementary system. To empower citizens. I suspect it was derived as a general principle by learning from how ngos were operating in the eighties – most who formed the Greens had prior ngo experience.
Few people have the time, energy & motivation to do it. Thus we will continue to default to representative democracy. Unless social media becomes constructive (rather than destructive). There’s no reason the internet can’t become a force for good – after all, it was conceived as that as soon as it expanded beyond the military origin (Arpanet). Human nature polluting it could be regarded as a learning curve for us: self-organising systems do incorporate regulation via negative feedback. Humans do it via criticism.
“Thing is, we really can’t claim total ignorance here. There have been a plethora of New Zealand news stories warning us about this threat, of Jewish graves being desecrated, pig carcasses being left at mosques, refugees being beaten up, Asian students being abused on the streets, and a Molotov cocktail being thrown at a marae.
This inattention is a type of racism in itself. This apathy. Turning a blind eye. It speaks at a very deep level to a lack of Pākehā connection, accountability and empathy towards those who white supremacists targeted: Māori, Pasifika, migrants, Muslims, refugees, the Jewish community. It speaks to the social bubble that most Pākehā live in, where we don’t come to really understand the grinding, corrosive and threatening effects of everyday racism and hatred… ”
thanks marty, when those events are highlighted, (grave desecration, pigs @ mosques etc), it’s beyond belief that the spooks were looking at muslims, journalists, peace and eco activists.
when the dust settles, i trust that the prime ministers statements about hard questions needing to be answered, are answered.
especially questions from those most impacted e.g. the muslim women who time and time again, tried to bring this to the attention of the authorities.
I suggest marty mars that it stems from not being bothered about it. The ‘Oh well, it doesn’t affect me attitude.’ SEP. Lazy about standards in public life. And with a higher sense of quality of behaviour, morality, and attitude in NZ than is justified when looking at the actuality.
What sort of animal is David Tipple, of Gun City, in selling huge numbers of the weapons used in the massacre over the weekend… just a few kilometres down the road ffs?
He is an enabler. What a terrible terrible person.
Good opportunity for student protest – blockade all Gun City shops. Not just to prevent the sale of more guns, but to protest those supremacists who are so very familiar with gun sales, hardware and shops. Get in their face.
Yes, doesn’t want to get involved in the gun debate even though that is his business and a large part of his way of life. A man just putting his head down and doing his job without conscience?
Someone deemed a fit and proper person to sell firearms, apparently.
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A gun dealer who has vowed to prosecute a TV journalist who bought a rifle from his shop without a firearms licence was accused of buying hundreds of guns with false identification in America a decade ago.
Gun City owner David Tipple, 60, this week said if police did not charge MediaWorks journalist Heather du Plessis-Allan at the end of its investigation into her sting, he would launch a private prosecution.
Records show the Christchurch millionaire has himself faced charges of illegally buying firearms, which were eventually dropped.
In 2002, Mr Tipple was arrested at Los Angeles airport after US Customs officials found 29 guns and 340 rounds of live ammunition in his baggage.
He pleaded guilty and was convicted of failing to notify an airline in writing that he had firearms in his luggage.
Mr Tipple received the maximum sentence of 12 months in a New Mexico jail after violating his bail conditions by travelling to Japan and Frankfurt.
But just weeks before his release date in 2004, he was indicted on federal firearms charges for illegally buying 363 rifles and shotguns from a US gun dealer.
The indictment, seen by NZME News Service, alleged that he “knowingly made a false and fictitious” claim to Franklin’s of Athens gun shop in Georgia that said he was a resident of the state.
The charges alleged that between August 2000 and August 2002 he illegally bought hundreds of mainly Ruger, Remington and Browning rifles, and Winchester and Beretta shotguns, a Colt pistol and many other brands of firearms.
Road spikes were needed to stop a Christchurch gun-shop director in a high-speed, late-night police chase, a court has been told.
Gun City director David Matthew Holden Tipple was yesterday fined $1250 by Christchurch District Court Judge Stephen Erber after he admitted reckless driving and failing to stop for police. He was disqualified for eight months.
The judge said Tipple had picked up a car after returning from an overseas trip. He was seen speeding late at night by police near Tokoroa, and was clocked at 137km/h.
Police began a chase but even after reaching 168km/h they were not closing the gap as they approached the Waikato town.
My favourite type hunting is Wallaby Shooting, this Saiga 20K shotgun is the gun I like to use because the detachable mag and Semi Auto action makes it the ultimate for wallabies.
The Crown Solicitor at Christchurch charges that Timothy John Holden Tipple on 19 June 2004 at Christchurch without reasonable cause otherwise dealt with a firearm with reckless disregard for the safety of others.
The applicant was convicted on his trial before a District Court Judge andjury on a count of careless use of a firearm laid pursuant to s 53(3) of the Arms Act1983. He appealed unsuccessfully to the Court of Appeal and now applies to this Court for leave to appeal.
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There is nothing in any of the matters raised by the applicant which disclosesa question of general or public importance or the possibility of a miscarriage ofjustice. The application must be dismissed
Little has told the inquiry what they have to come up with in their report and that it has to say that all the Agencies he is responsible for are perfect.
I am leaning toward Seymour’s opinion that any inquiry must be a Royal Commission. If we are going to get the truth it has to be done by someone who is totally independent of the Government.
Otherwise we will get results like this preordained one that Little has announced.
Not a good look, eh? Andrew seemingly lapsed into Labour party thinking. Auto-defend public servants regardless of wrong-doing. He’d been fronting his ministerial roles well up to that point.
It isn’t just the Labour Party though.
It rather smells as if New Zealand First have been leaning on the Police to try and pin something on Bridges and, when they haven’t done so, got them to pass it on to the SFO while Shane Jones instructs the SFO on what outcome is required.
Well here is something he said in Parliament last week.
” I make a prediction: the Serious Fraud Office, once unwisely sicked by that side of the House on to our leader, knows we will study every single step that they take, to ensure—because it’s the National Party—it’s not whitewashed. We will ensure that happens.” https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/hansard-debates/rhr/combined/HansDeb_20190313_20190313_12
If that is not telling the SFO what the Government expects from them I don’t know what is.
I suggest you read the whole of his speech. It isn’t very long.
Are you really one of those people who think that Government Departments are solely there to enforce the wishes of the Government MPs?
I suppose you are happy with the idea that anyone who is other than totally admiring of the Government members should simply have the IRD demand a million dollars of them in back taxes and then bankrupt them.
No evidence of any offence should be needed of course.
Or that the Police should charge them with some crime that they never committed and that a Court should then sling them in prison because the PM wants it done.
Thank God you aren’t in power. You really do sound like a fascist. Or like one of the leading lights in Putin’s Government which is, of course, the same thing.
that might give people the message that they are not anonymous, and what a disguting, perverted behaviour they took part in.
to me, sharing the clip is applauding the shooter.
also, in the above clip, 50 advertisers are considering pulling facebook ads.
We now have a Marxist woman defending Sean Plunket: “Plunket was one of the few willing to interview the campaign group Speak Up For Women and discuss the encroachment on women’s rights by transactivists. The transactivists have denounced SUFW as spouting hate speech and bigotry and demanded they be no-platformed, and had posters taken down, and tried to shut down meetings. The hate and bigotry in this case came from the accusers not SUFW.” https://rdln.wordpress.com/2019/03/18/genuine-inclusiveness-demands-more-free-speech-not-less/
Leftists must begin taking responsibility for their use of hate speech. Their addiction to copying the alt-right is escalating hostilities. Grow up, fast!
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Where are the leaders of the Anglican and Catholic churches in Christchurch? (and others)
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Shouldn’t they be publicly denouncing the massacres and meeting with the Muslim community?
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Where are they?
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fyi, this was in our backyard and we have been as involved as we can handle, which includes dealing with these issues directly and personally, outside of here, including making contact with the churches as above
The PM’s team will be guiding all the major institutions on official commemorations.
One of the big Christchurch churches proposed doing one on Saturday but the Police were not able to provide a security plan in time and recommended against it.
I think name and shame on this is the way to go. We must show everywhere, including Australia as in this example, that hate will not be tolerated.
“Police prosecutor Brevet Sergeant Peter Finey told the court police were on Friday made aware of comments posted by Vinzelberg and photos that showed him with a firearm.
“The man accused of Friday’s terrors attacks in Christchurch was also active on social media in expressing his views.
A security analyst John Coyne from the Australian Strategic Policy Institute told Morning Report the chances of tracking every radicalised person online was extremely difficult for security services.
Dr Coyne said it was hard to distinguish between an immature teenager’s ranting and a committed ideologue’s rant among a massive amount of data.”
Surely either (immature teenager… committed ideologue) is good reason to revoke a gun licence?
no rather code, a lot of his speak is gamer talk. according to someone who games a lot and who read parts of the manifesto it seems that he is ‘trolling’ the readers.
this guy is sane. he should not be given the excuse of ‘insanity’.
it took him two years to come here, get the weapons, train, stake the location etc and then go in for his ‘party’.
Most teenagers i have met are rather mature, they go to school, they have jobs, they do chores, they volunteer, they have lives. And they – as of now – don’t go about shooting people assembled to pray in a house of worship.
we should read it, we should discuss it, and we should understand that the part that is not code and trolling is deadly serious and we should know.
Because those of us that are not right wing wanna be Ersatz Nazis, we have no idea what these guys want to do.
These guys are not economically anxious white male working class, they are no little angelic boys gone wrong, they are happy to kill us.
They have been raised on this stuff, coming from politicians, clergy, reporters, news men / women, opinionators and the likes and the worst we can do is read the shit they believe and want to enact so that we don’t always stand there like deer in the light wondering why this shit happens.
He is not a psychopath, he is a racist. Out and proud white power. White supremacy. Name it and then we can realise that what he did in his believe is the only logical thing to do. Eradication of people because they are not white. He is the personification of the ‘banality of evil’.
And many here have posted links to musings on racism, posts about lived racism and discrimination, and yet we still have people that believe that if they just put their heads really deep in the sand it does not happen.
well, it does happen here because it is us, it comes from us and it kills us.
I think there is a certain disaffection amongst some Maori in Kaitaia. Argument
over land at Taipa. I think also over concerns about small Lake Ohia. and environs. There is mention of dune lakes which are at risk.
I looked at my New Zealand passport with pride and told myself I came from a country that was more compassionate and kind, a country that was slightly better.
Today we are no better. We as a country failed to stop something horrific, because we like to believe we are better. We like to believe that for example Duncan Garner’s words that compared immigrants shopping at K-mart to a human snake are not racist.
The media published a New Zealand First member’s words that Indians and Pakistanis are arrogant and force their ways and means on New Zealanders without thinking about their impact.
We don’t believe these words can ever have a violent impact, because we are New Zealand and we are better.
When MPs talk about immigrants in terms of net numbers, economic burdens, their inability to assimilate, we think that language is acceptable because it is not as bad as what white supremacists say.
Thanks for that – so powerful. I promise I wont forget this in election year or when the next anti immigrant rhetoric starts up again. No more backward steps.
No but may vote for them again – felt my vote for Met a bit of a waste last time but they got two ticks from me. I try to walk the walk not just talk the talk but try is the key. 🙂
You need to distinguish between race and policy based criticisms of immigration.
“New Zealand’s current migration rate is almost four times as high as the United Kingdom and the United States.” Google
That’s high by international standards, and contributes to extremely serious issues like the housing crisis.
Under the previous government, all of the restrictions that moderated negative migrant influences were being routinely circumvented. Fake qualifications, fake students and training courses, fake jobs and fake worker shortages had become the rule rather than the exception, and even now there is little to suggest that Immigration is doing the job that is expected of a competent civil service.
Conflating policy failure criticisms of immigration with white supremacy is the fastest way to destroy public support for migrants.
Stuart M
Thanks for persisting in trying to keep a reasoned thread on the talk as we all are feeling emotional about the recent event and all the bumbling and irrational and rorting policy that preceded it.
Agree, thanks Stuart. I do fear that anyone attempting rational debate on immigration issues going forward will be tarnished by some as aligning with the white supremacist.
I know the Muslim refugees I taught many years ago were badly stressed by slow processing from Immigration that kept them inappropriately in limbo for years.
This atrocity has no doubt caused massive stress all around it, and expeditious resolution of immigration matters would be one way to take some stress away.
“National leader Simon Bridges says an “emotional junior staffer” deleted a UN migration pact petition after the Christchurch terror attack, which killed 50 people.”
Politicians and the media know exactly what they are doing. They know that hating Muslims sells, whether it is for votes or for clicks or for profile raising. They know that there is a sweet spot where prejudice against Muslims and anti-immigration sentiment intersect, and that the former is a good way of legitimising the latter.
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To still think that there is some productive debate to be had, some way to successfully challenge these views by inviting them into the mainstream and “exposing” them, is to be lulled into a false sense of security. The horse hasn’t just already bolted: it is armed with intent and livestreaming its rampage on Facebook.
Who can forget this little gem – Someone on facebook comments the bus seats look like burqas, photo gets shared almost 13K times by a group called Fatherland First, so NZH prints an article on the reactions bla bla while reprinting the photo and some of the ‘clubs’ bile.
THE CONTROVERSY. Not Islamophobia < = see, controversy.
I got no filing system but I can pull up historical BS from trigger words all day.
From your link
"It is time to stop pleading. It is time to call things what they are and not temper or apologise for the strength of the allegations, to call people racists, opportunists and complicit hatemongers even if they do grace our prestigious publications and seats of governance. It is time to do what they always accuse you of doing anyway, and “shut down the debate”
WASHINGTON — Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman of Saudi Arabia authorized a secret campaign to silence dissenters — which included the surveillance, kidnapping, detention and torture of Saudi citizens — more than a year before the killing of Jamal Khashoggi, according to American officials who have read classified intelligence reports about the campaign.
At least some of the clandestine missions were carried out by members of the same team that killed and dismembered Mr. Khashoggi in Istanbul in October, suggesting that his killing was a particularly egregious part of a wider campaign to silence Saudi dissidents, according to the officials and associates of some of the Saudi victims.
Members of the team that killed Mr. Khashoggi, which American officials called the Saudi Rapid Intervention Group, were involved in at least a dozen operations starting in 2017, the officials said.
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The Rapid Intervention Group also appears to have been involved in the detention and abuse of about a dozen women’s rights activists, who were detained last spring and summer. The activists, who had campaigned for lifting the kingdom’s ban on driving by women, included several well-known figures: Loujain al-Hathloul, who had been jailed for trying to drive her car into the kingdom from the United Arab Emirates; Aziza al-Yousef, a retired computer science professor; and Eman al-Nafjan, the linguistics lecturer.
At first, the women were not held in a prison, but were detained informally in what appeared to be an unused palace in the Red Sea port city of Jidda, according to Ms. al-Hathloul’s sister, Alia. Each woman was locked in a small room, and the windows were covered. Some of the women were frequently taken downstairs for interrogation, which included beatings, electric shocks, waterboarding and threats of rape and murder.
She seems to have very definite stance on state sponsored killing in SA, but on Venezuela, other than opposing sanctions and calling for new elections she has little to nothing to say about Guaido.
If true, such organised evil requires surgical excision. I’m suspicious about why the admin officials are being so coy though. Looks like the situation is serious enough to form the basis of a global corrective campaign. I agree the Trump regime ought to exhibit moral spine and take action.
“A Christchurch insulation company which promotes Nazi themes has been reported to police and removed from a popular review website following a terrorist attack at two Christchurch mosques on Friday.
Beneficial Insulation, which was incorporated in 2010, features a number of Nazi-related themes in its name and branding.”
Holy moly, look at what the cat drag in from the sewage my love. A former white power member from Hornby/ Hei Hei area well Mr Arps you bully boy and I remember you very well my son in more ways than one. Karma is such bitch when the size 9 is on the other boot.
How many of your white power pals from Hornby/ Hei Hei area with their little whores in tow are going to get nicked? Well one down about 40- 60 to go from memory if they are not already in the prison.
Well I can tick you off now.
Must be wee quite at the Yaldie or at the Trust Hotel or those dingy honker tonk bars near the mall atm as no one else we’ll have you lot? Heck even the Swamp and the Mile probably won’t you lot either.
Andrew Little’s attempt to predetermine the outcome of the intelligence inquiry has been condemned by another leftist: No Right Turn.
It’s a good example of how leftists seem to naturally subdivide between those who want to do things properly and those who don’t. Of course, it’s also possible that Andrew is motivated by his conscience: dramatizing the tendency as a deliberate intention to provoke public awareness of it.
I didn’t see the interview on Q&A but I did read the article in the NZH and although I can see why a biased person would jump to the foregone conclusion, I don’t arrive at the same. To me “organisational blind spots” is a euphemism for “screw up”.
Turkish President President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has invoked the Anzacs’ Gallipoli campaign in World War I in responding to the mosque attacks in Christchurch, saying anyone who went to Turkey for anti-Muslim reasons would be returned “in coffins”, as their grandfathers were.
Foreign Minister Winston Peters rebuked Erdogan’s use of that footage and Erdogan’s comments about New Zealand, saying he had told Turkey’s Foreign Minister that it was unfair and dangerous to blame New Zealand.
“Anything of that nature that misrepresents this country, given that this was a non-New Zealand citizen, imperils the future and safety of the New Zealand people and our people abroad and is totally unfair.”
Erdogan seems almost as unhinged as the very people he rails about.
The hypocrisy of the National Party just astounds me!
The latest – Gerry Browlee claiming security services’ failings re NZ’s darkest day has been a “massive fail” (RNZ News 13:00 today).
And previously, their Immigration spokesman suggesting PR for the families of victims (actually the least we could do).
However, it was 9 long years of a gNat junta that allowed the culture within our security services and public service generally to become normalised – even fostered.
The under-funding and under-resourcing of agencies, the yea/nah, complacent, we-know-best-we’re-the-experts attitude and culture.
Good to see yesterday’s ‘Daily Review’ and contributions from the likes of @TRP, @Arkie and others.
And that the likes of Anjum Rahman’s concerns haven’t gone unnoticed.
Roll on a Commission of Inquiry, and more broadly Chippie’s public service reform. Hopefully both will be broad in their terms of reference
Yep they are low. The truth will out and we will remind them of their roles. They are rightfully frightened by what they have not done and by their words.
Howdy @Mister Marty Mars.
It’s good to see that the best thing that’s come out of the past few days is the awakening of a laid back public – many who’ve been distanced from a reality they’re yet going to have to face.
Hence headlines such as “the loss of innocence” and the like.
You can understand (probably), while most of ‘lil ‘ole NuZull is shocked, the likes of Anjum Rahmun, and myself and many others are “not surprised”.
And it’s actually quite good that the international media descended en masse – it’s at least served as a bit of a bullshit detector to the inadequacies of our own – if only because many of NZ’s so-called 4th Estate membership have aspirations towards more global stardom, and in some cases pulled their shock-jock heads in. (BBC – and in particular Kananjit Leyl, Clive Myrie, CNN and Aljazeera aside from our own RNZ ).
Firstly, we must reject the notion that “this is not us”, because it is.
White supremacy has always been a part of New Zealand.
White supremacy formed the basis of colonial conquest.
It is a disservice to Māori to engage in this erasure of their history and struggle, when the consequences of colonisation are very much relevant for tangata whenua today if you look at any measure of wellbeing, such as rates of incarceration, or health and education outcomes.
It’s a topsy turvy world we live in. Banks withdrawal of advertising from social media might be seen as merely a publicity stunt by the most cynical of us, and sure, it at least partially is, but as pointed out, it may be our best way to effect change.
So well done, and all the other businesses doing this.
It would be nice if someone had a list of them someplace. Good eggs to do business with.
PM’s parliamentary statement this afternoon must be seen. Sitting still going so link should be available soon. Her refusal to ever name the shooter could also be interpreted as a challenge to stop naming him. It will be very interesting to see if our local media, at least, take up this challenge.
Likewise. Every time his name is spoken or writ it gives him oxygen.
As events were unfolding on Friday I stumbled across his ‘manifesto’. He is a liar. He is a narcissist. I vowed never to speak his name. He is the terrorist.
I’m finding it rather ironic that the Australians were worried about immigration and deported NZers of “bad” character when it was NZ who should have been worried about an Australian immigrant of “good” character.
Even more ironic was the Australian senator who blamed the attack on Muslim immigration when the blame should reside squarely on an Australian immigrant.
I read on stuff (I think) that they were thinking of deporting the Australian terrorist back to Australia for jail. The previous precedent of the French Rainbow Warrior bombers shows that it is a terrible idea.
In Australia, the sentiment against immigrants and NZers means he’ll probably be admired in jail whereas in NZ he’ll be shunned. He purposefully did the crime here, he should do the time here.
WO blog with its constant hate speech in its comments section (led over the last 2 years or so by SB) has without any doubt whatsoever has added fuel to this simmering fire.
Please please please let’s all overwhelm this hate site with sane commentary.
the eagle eyed will have noticed that TV1 published bridges statement from parliament on facebook an hour before the PM’s statement.
this disresepct and pandering must cease immediately.
simon dallow lead the charge for john keys in 2008 and he is still allowing TV1 to carry out his slimy agenda.
Time for a good cleanout at TVNZ.
it belongs to the people of New Zealand and not dallow and his cronies
See-hitt.. I just saw that wordpress are showing the number of my comments on the backend. 20,263 and 963 published posts. That seem like a lot until I did a Nick Smith and mathed it so that it sounded better.
About 4233 days (taking 17th August 2007 as the start date – can’t be bothered looking it up)
20,263 / 4233 = a mere 4.8 comments per day
963 / (4233 / 7) = a paltry 1.6 posts per week
Still a lot of coding time that wasn’t used for its intended purpose.
Kia ora The AM Show I can not see why the authority’s could not make a special arrangement to get the bodys back to there love ones. Evedince they have enough evidence to sink a whale that excuse does not stack up.?????????????????????????.
steve rodgers you are full of it trump would use any tactics to grab power that’s why he is get the fingers pointing in his direction I am very careful what I write he does not care about the effects of his words. duncan must have a hard look in the mirror why put that idiot on the show of course there needs to be gun control guns don’t kill people do if they cannot get guns problem solved O stupid steve that ight the american national rifle association have a direct control of the White House. Look at that.
We had a system of registration of firearms why did we drop that law well that association above would have influenced that. There you go you should not have even talked a them fool. That’s just another neanderthal USING anything he can to cling to power like a couple of others around the world. Christchurch is run by ational supporters they are not going to do anything to lesson the damage our government could get from this. Why doesn’t Americans change the White House name to something more politically correct.
Excuse Excuses Excuses. Ka kite ano
I was talking to a good cousin of mine about 3 years ago I pointed out the reality of racisem in New Zealand to him he looks up at Te Ra and said don,t play that card you see in Aotearoa even Some alot of Maori can not see it or don,t want to beleve that Maori are getting shit on by this system the pakiha will higher his m8 when I was asisstaint manager on a 5000 dairy cow farm the farm ran smovely I worked my ASS of but got know agnolagement for my HARD WORK but I did higher 12 whanau/Maori
Even the Maori Farm trust higher Pakiha they are being Raciest to OUR OWN TANGATA and they don,t even comprehend that there actions in not highering Maori for the Top jobs on farms is just helping the pakiha in suppressing Maori FOOLS.
i will give them a education on these FACTS
Taking New Zealand’s institutional racism in health to the UN
We went because we wanted to challenge what our government was saying. I think ((((we were heard and the UN committee agreed with us that we weren’t doing as well as we could. It means that forever it is on the record that we disagree, that it isn’t all rosy, because it isn’t. Currently, the human rights of Māori in New Zealand aren’t being protected. )))))
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In August a group of New Zealand researchers presented a report to the UN detailing the effects of racism on Māori. Simon Day spoke to AUT’s Dr Heather Came about the causes and cures for New Zealand’s racism.
When Dr Heather Came listened to the New Zealand government delegation present to the United Nations Committee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination (CERD) she was surprised to hear New Zealand was apparently doing well for its indigenous people and ethnic minorities. In her research Came had learned the exact opposite.
“When I sat there and listened to the New Zealand government do their spiel it felt like they put up a tourism brochure, written by PR people who have never been to New Zealand. I don’t know how such intelligent senior public servants could deny the institutional racism that is prevalent in their administration of the public sector. It was quite a bizarre experience to see that,” says the AUT senior lecturer in public health.
Came had the chance to give the UN a different perspective. A group of nine institutions working with public health and Māori presented a report to CERD on 20 key issues where institutional racism is affecting outcomes for Māori in New Zealand. It condemns the absence of the Treaty of Waitangi in public health policy, the way Māori are portrayed in the media, and the deep institutional racism of the public health system.
It also offered the government solutions to this systemic racism. They’re solutions that engage the potential of the principles of the Treaty of Waitangi to improve outcomes for Māori, and embracing the potential of a Māori worldview to contribute to health policy. But first Pākehā New Zealand needs to accept and acknowledge this problem exists.
t does institutional racism look like in New Zealand?
Institutional racism is a pattern of behaviour that disadvantages one group while advantaging another. So there’s always a flip side. Whenever there is racism, there is privilege.
Lots of our work has been documenting the institutional racism in the health sector. My PhD looked at policy and funding practices – I did a nationwide survey and looked at Māori health providers’ experiences of Crown funding. We compared this with the experiences of primary health organisations, other non-governmental organisations, and public health units that are based in DHBs – mainstream providers. What we found was that across those different providers, in terms of factors like the length of their contract and the frequency of how they were scrutinised, there were a whole lot of domains where we could show statistically different treatment of Māori health providers – and that treatment was negative. That was an example of the racism.
There was no justification if you read the policy documents, and frameworks, and how the ministry of health or the DHBs are supposed to be doing procurement, there is no explanation for why they would be giving Māori shorter contracts than other providers. There are a whole lot of places where you can identify this racism.
How does institutional racism manifest itself for individual experience, once it reaches the people?
Our work is about the structural stuff. Other people like Ricci Harris at Te Rōpū Rangahau Hauora a Eru Pōmare, have done a lot of research around what happens when people are trying to access health services. They’ve done research that shows if you turn up at A&E and you’re Pākehā, and you have a set of symptoms, and you turn up at A&E and you’re Māori with the same set of symptoms, you will get offered different treatment plans. You will get offered more expensive stuff, and more aggressive stuff if you’re Pākehā, because there are assumptions about how motivated your family are, or what resources you have available to care for yourself. The failure of screening programmes to reach Māori and Pacific communities means they miss out on early protection, and that impacts on their health outcomes.
My discipline is public health. And that is about keeping whole populations well. We are the people that try to get people to wear seatbelts, we are the people that try and stop people from smoking, we’re the people that are interested in ending poverty because it is a key determiner of health. So we are interested in groups of people rather than individuals, but you can see the reach of institutional racism across all sorts of domains.
Do you think New Zealanders are aware of the extent that racism exists in our country?
I think racism has been normalised, so it is often hard for Pākehā to see the racism. We are enormously monocultural in how we conduct ourselves.
I think we could do much more, for example by making te reo Māori compulsory in schools and helping encourage and nurture people to learn more about te ao Māori. Certainly for me, my contact with te ao Māori has been really positive – I’ve learnt lots of amazing things about this land and the people who live here that make me feel a fuller and more useful human being. I think there are lots of opportunities to learn from te ao Māori.
In the last few weeks we have seen the commentary that’s labelled the Treaty a cover up and complained about hearing te reo Māori on the radio. What effect do comments like that have on Māori, and the success of New Zealand?
I think it is great if people can take the time to read the text of the Treaty and take the time to learn a bit about our colonial history. If we believe in fair play, which I believe many New Zealanders do, we need to come to terms with the impact of historical racism on this country. If we manage to stop the racism in this country and improve the health and educational outcomes of Māori, we will lift up the health and well being of all New Zealanders. It is in our best interest to support Māori taking control of their health and well being.
What needs to be done to make that happen and what role would the Treaty have in that?
I would love every New Zealander to spend a day going to the Waitangi Tribunal hearings, and listening to the evidence and getting a bit of the sense of what happened. I went to the Wai 1040 claims up in Nga Puhi because I was living there at the time. There wasn’t many Pākehā there, but it was very humbling and interesting.
From my understanding of a Māori worldview, the past is before us – it is not tucked away, it is forever present. The way Māori were talking about Te Tiriti at that hui I was at, it was as if it was signed yesterday. For a lot of Pākehā people, 1840 is ancient and buried history.
We have an opportunity to choose to engage with Māori going forward with integrity and honourability going forward, and to honour the agreement that my ancestors made on our behalf. That is an approach of integrity and fair play – and that is a more useful way forward than burying it and pretending it never happened.
We can make this right, if we have the political will to do this. For a lot of Pākehā family like mine, my god daughter is Nga Puhi, I am a seventh generation Pākehā New Zealander, my nieces are Ngati Maniapoto and Ngati Whatua, my grandchildren are Ngati Kahungunu. This is the future of Pākehā that we are going to have this blended whakapapa.
There are a hundred reasons why we have to come to terms with what’s happened in this country, and try to end the institutional racism that we have. Let’s not be a divided country, but instead a country that is rich in equity.
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Keep Championing the good cause YOUR FUTURE ENVIROMENT Kia Kaha Tamariki
Students drag mayor out of office for climate ‘strike’
Marlborough students dragged their mayor from a meeting to make sure he them as they joined the student-led global protest on climate change.
After their chants outside the council did not raise him students went in to the building to get Marlborough Mayor John Leggett.
The protest in Seymour Square was among about 30 events planned across New Zealand as part of the global School Strike 4 Climate Action movement.
About 1500 students and supporters joined in on the protest in Blenheim, most donning placards or green war paint, in a call for urgent action on climate change.
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Marlborough rally organiser George Glover, Year 12, was surprised Leggett did not come to the protest.
“I’d much prefer to be out here, watching and listening to the really amazing and talented support for the cause you’ve come together for. I applaud you for that,” he said.
It was also great to see young people heading the strike, as it showed young people were willing to create change in the area, Leggett said.
“This is a great show of solidarity and great show of support for something that is going to be affecting us all, so I applaud you for that and keep up the work.”
Climate change action was something students needed to “keep momentum on”, he said.
“No more coal, no more oil, keep your carbon in the soil,” students chanted outside Smith’s office.
Glover, of Marlborough Boy’s College, said it was worth getting a black mark on his attendance record to encourage the community to take action on climate change.
He was encouraged to spearhead the Marlborough protest after going to the Sir Peter Blake Trust Youth EnviroLeaders’ Forum last year, he said.
“We’re only striking for one day, but we’re going to make a bloody big difference.”
Springlands School students Zoe Meeten, 9, and Jess Bell, 9, were encouraged to organise their peers to head out on the strike after watching Swedish teen climate activist Greta Thunberg on YouTube. ka kite ano links below
See Whanau human caused climate change is going to have a devarstating negtive effect on OUR POORER COUSINS while the billionares sit on more money than anyone needs making excuses about why it is OK for them the oil barrons to denie reality they don,t want to lose there money because with it they are treated like god,s but they don,t treat the people like treasures all life should be treasured not just the RICH PEOPLE
The devastating cyclone that hit south-eastern Africa may be the worst ever disaster to strike the southern hemisphere, according to the UN.
Cyclone Idai has swept through Mozambique, Malawi and Zimbabwe over the past few days, destroying almost everything in its path, causing devastating floods, killing and injuring thousands of people and ruining crops. More than 2.6 million people could be affected across the three countries, and the port city of Beira, which was hit on Friday and is home to 500,000 people, is now an “island in the ocean”, almost completely cut off.
The official death tolls in Mozambique, Zimbabwe and Malawi are 200, 98 and 56 respectively. But these totals only scratch the surface; the real toll may not be known for many months as the countries deal with a still unfolding disaster.
Mozambique’s president, Filipe Nyusi, announced three days of national mourning late on Tuesday and said his government would declare a national emergency.
The country has been hit by cyclones and floods before. The most devastating in recent memory were in 2000, but these could be even worse.
Houses, roads and telegraph poles are completely submerged. The Mozambican and South African military and other organisations are working to rescue people from the air, though many are struggling to get supplies and teams to the region because roads and bridges have been ripped up or have huge sinkholes in them.
Some people are stranded clinging to trees; others are on houses or “new islands” that have formed, and have no food, according to rescue workers.
“Sometimes we can only save two out of five; sometimes we rather drop food and go to someone else who’s in bigger danger,” Ian Scher from Rescue SA told AFP. “We just save what we can save and the others will perish.”
A pilot doing a survey for Mission Aviation Fellowship flew over the basin of Buzi river in Mozambique, which had burst its banks, and was able to provide the first information on the area.
“It was a heartbreaking flight today as we flew over many miles of flooded land in the Buzi River basin. We saw many people stranded on roof tops surrounded by kilometres of water. It was difficult to comprehend and think about that probably many have perished,” Rick Emenaker told the South African site Lowvelder.
With the first flight leaving on Sunday and one mobile network, Movitel, just restored, more details are beginning to emerge of what happened in Beira when the cyclone hit. Ka kite ano links below P.S while I write this post the sandflys are playing silly little buggers with my computa
Kia ora Newshub Those men on the World stage strutting their STUFF is exactly WHY ECO Maori backs Equality for OUR Wahine neanderthal want war Wahine use their intelligence and deplomacy and treasure all life .
The big tech companies need to comply and help pull those obscene videos and stop them from being reposted.
I seen that stan just chasing money at any cost the Kaitaia trucking contractor it’s good to see big businesses held accountable for there dirty deeds Its is human caused climate change that’s causing the desaster in Africa at the minute . Ka kite ano
M8Kia ora Te ao Maori News I the old Maori way was to treasure all life its cool that other cultures get that about us Maori.
Its Ka pai to see all the good people making donations to help the Muslims people who lost there love in the Christchurch tragedy it will help smove the Wai in their Futures.
That’s a awesome event gaveing all the best brightest Maori tamariki STARS together in Waikato to brain storm talk about there future journeys up there ladders of Life Ka pai.
Kia ora to all the people who attended the World ILGB conference in Wellington. “I” we must axcept that people are different and give them the same respect as on would give there Kaumatua Ka kite ano P.S I smelt a funny faimlar smell at 6 pm tonight.????????????
Kia ora The AM Show I will have to be careful not to back a person directly I will rember that.
Its good to see NZ rose tinted glasses are working good the 8th happiest country in the world.
Just the action of that idiot shows how some Australians class Aotearoa that’s why there pollies can use the deportation of Australian Kiwis as a political vote grabbing Tool it was never about what’s best for the 2 countrys just vote grabbing.
The tech company’s are to powerful some have Ex Presidential administratior people working for them big CONFLICT OF INTEREST there.
shonky gave them to much Power our police force which includeds all the spy agencies the main computers x3 do not have the correct security features to protect your /OUR personal data from unscrupulous PEOPLE using it against good people. IE they don’t no who the people that have clearance to axis OUR data are they can not be identified.??????????. Ka kite ano
Here you go just some of the new powers that shonky gave them
New spy laws signal “most significant” reform to the agencies legislation in the country’s history, says John Key.
The Government is set to break a long-standing ban on the Government Communications Security Bureau (GCSB) spying on New Zealanders with a sweeping revamp that brings our spy agencies under a single law.
Prime Minister John Key on Monday said Cabinet had accepted the bulk of recommended changes, including extra powers for the GCSB, recommended by the Cullen-Reddy review in March.
He said at the heart of the Bill – the most significant reform to the agencies’ legislation in the country’s history – was the protection of New Zealanders.
Former deputy prime minister Sir Michael Cullen co-authored with incoming Governor- General Dame Patsy Reddy the report recommending new spy law.
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Former deputy prime minister Sir Michael Cullen co-authored with incoming Governor- General Dame Patsy Reddy the report recommending new spy law.
:The key aspects of the law changes contained in the New Zealand Intelligence and Security Bill were:
* A single law to cover the agencies, replacing the existing four laws.
* A new warrant system including a “triple lock” protection for any New Zealander placed under surveillance.
* More effective cooperation between the GCSB and the Security Intelligence Service (SIS).
* improved oversight through a strengthening of the role of the Inspector-General and expanded parliamentary oversight, including an increase in membership of the committee that oversees the agencies.
* Bringing the SIS and the GCSB further into the core public service.
There would also be a new offence for people with a government security clearance, or who have been given access to classified information on a confidential basis, who copy or leak classified information.
The bill also proposes a clarification for whistleblowers, stipulating disclosures of classified information must only be made to the Inspector-General of Intelligence and Security.
But the Government varied from one recommendations in the report by former deputy prime minister Sir Michael Cullen and incoming Governor-General Dame Patsy Reddy.
It would have given the GCSB the power to enter and search private premises, but the new law would instead make it clear, for instance, that the GCSB can conduct a “remote search” of a computer but the SIS would carry out a physical search of a property.
But they would have the full suite of powers when operating together.
Labour will support the Bill to select committee but has problems with some elements of it, including the definition of national security and the level of privacy protections.
Labour leader Andrew Little said the law controlling the work and scope of the agencies needed to be updated so they can adapt to a rapidly changing environment and new challenges.
“While we will support the Bill at first reading, it does not get the balance quite right. I have confidence changes can be made at select committee which is why Labour will support the Bill at first reading.”
The present definition of national security was too broad “and must be narrowed down to actual threats to security and government”.
Key indicated the Government was open to changes, including to the national security definition, to get broad support.
Asked why the Government was changing the long-standing ban on the GCSB spying on New Zealanders. without a warrant from another agencies such as the SIS, Finlayson gave a “theoretical” example.
He said the SIS may not be able to get a warrant, say, after a tip-off someone was working with Islamic State, because it could not identify the individual. But the GCSB could not offer assistance to the SIS because the SIS could not get a warrant.
The Government was trying to deal with those sorts of situations.
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* Expanding spy agency powers ‘significant erosion of Kiwis’ privacy
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* Spy laws, explained
* Editorial: Spy review hobbled before it begins
He said New Zealanders had a high degree of confidence the Government was “not out there snooping on their private thoughts, their private emails or aspects of their life that have no relevance to other New Zealanders”.
They expected the agencies – the GCSB and the Security Intelligence Services (SIS) – to look for genuine or real threats that one or two of a very small group of people potentially posed. Ka kite ano links below
The wealthy countrys must help our poorer cousins as it is the wealthy countrys that have burned the most carbon in my view we OWE them at least that HELP
.Thanks to the countrys that have sent AID into Mozambique
Cyclone Idai: Foreign aid comes to Africa, media coverage impacts amount pledged
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It isn’t a ban – just probation to stop any more until I saw that you’d seen the warning. Now you have responded and understand what the issue is, I will release it.
If I seen the first warning I would not have post the second post I did not see the warning till I posted the second post my device does not up date automatically sorry how long is the probation period Ka kite ano
Kia ora Newshub It’s good news that OUR firearms laws are being tighten up to ban Automatic machine guns.
NO comment on that x2
There is a major catastrophic desaster in Mozambique if the whole world does not help it will get WORSE.
I seen that trump went after Macain no need to comment on that as you will be thinking the same.
Dust devil making havoc in Australia Ka kite ano
Kia ora Te ao Maori News Don’t pu kana Eco Maori.
Its logical to have a gun registration system so that the authorities no who has what firearms and if the firearm is used in a crime the owner can be held accountable for there actions or in actions.
Heta a Eco Maori uncles name that was a good Haka in Christchurch.
I seen one speach of hers she has a kick at people complaining about imergration for losses of jobs I still back my words as people should not be displace by out people I don’t mind imergration I just don’ like seeing the Whanau losing jobs because of it as that is a form of suppressing MAORI as far a Eco Maori is concerned if one is to be humane everyone’s wellbeing has to be taken into account when making one’s choices. Ka kite ano.
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Buzz from the Beehive Foreign Affairs Minister Winston Peters was bound to win headlines when he set out his thinking about AUKUS in his speech to the New Zealand Institute of International Affairs. The headlines became bigger when – during an interview on RNZ’s Morning Report today – he criticised ...
The Post reports on how the government is refusing to release its advice on its corrupt Muldoonist fast-track law, instead using the "soon to be publicly available" refusal ground to hide it until after select committee submissions on the bill have closed. Fast-track Minister Chris Bishop's excuse? “It's not ...
As pressure on it grows, the livestock industry’s approach to the transition to Net Zero is increasingly being compared to that of fossil fuel interests. Photo: Lynn Grieveson / Getty ImagesTL;DR: Here’s the top five news items of note in climate news for Aotearoa-NZ this week, and a discussion above ...
The New Zealand Herald reports – Stats NZ has offered a voluntary redundancy scheme to all of its workers as a way to give staff some control over their “future” amidst widespread job losses in the public sector. In an update to staff this morning, seen by the Herald, Statistics New Zealand ...
On Werewolf/Scoop, I usually do two long form political columns a week. From now on, there will be an extra column each week about music and movies. But first, some late-breaking political events:The rise in unemployment numbers for the March quarter was bigger than expected – and especially sharp ...
David Farrar writes – The Herald reports: TVNZ says it is dealing with about 50 formal complaints over its coverage of the latest 1News-Verian political poll, with some viewers – as well as the Prime Minister and a former senior Labour MP – critical of the tone of the 6pm report. ...
Muriel Newman writes – When Meridian Energy was seeking resource consents for a West Coast hydro dam proposal in 2010, local Maori “strenuously” objected, claiming their mana was inextricably linked to ‘their’ river and could be damaged. After receiving a financial payment from the company, however, the Ngai Tahu ...
Alwyn Poole writes – “An SEP,’ he said, ‘is something that we can’t see, or don’t see, or our brain doesn’t let us see, because we think that it’s somebody else’s problem. That’s what SEP means. Somebody Else’s Problem. The brain just edits it out, it’s like a ...
Our trust in our political institutions is fast eroding, according to a Maxim Institute discussion paper, Shaky Foundations: Why our democracy needs trust. The paper – released today – raises concerns about declining trust in New Zealand’s political institutions and democratic processes, and the role that the overuse of Parliamentary urgency ...
This article was prepared for publication yesterday. More ministerial announcements have been posted on the government’s official website since it was written. We will report on these later today …. Buzz from the BeehiveThere we were, thinking the environment is in trouble, when along came Jones. Shane Jones. ...
New Zealand now has the fourth most depressed construction sector in the world behind China, Qatar and Hong Kong. Photo: Lynn Grieveson / The KākāTL;DR: These are the six things that stood out to me in news and commentary on Aotearoa-NZ’s political economy at 8:46am on Thursday, May 2:The Lead: ...
Hi,I am just going to state something very obvious: American police are fucking crazy.That was a photo gracing the New York Times this morning, showing New York City police “entering Columbia University last night after receiving a request from the school.”Apparently in America, protesting the deaths of tens of thousands ...
Winston Peters’ much anticipated foreign policy speech last night was a work of two halves. Much of it was a standard “boilerplate” Foreign Ministry overview of the state of the world. There was some hardening up of rhetoric with talk of “benign” becoming “malign” and old truths giving way to ...
Graham Adams assesses the fallout of the Cass Review — The press release last Thursday from the UN Special Rapporteur on violence against women and girls didn’t make the mainstream news in New Zealand but it really should have. The startling title of Reem Alsalem’s statement — “Implementation of ‘Cass ...
This open-for-business, under-new-management cliché-pockmarked government of Christopher Luxon is not the thing of beauty he imagines it to be. It is not the powerful expression of the will of the people that he asserts it to be. It is not a soaring eagle, it is a malodorous vulture. This newest poll should make ...
The latest labour market statistics, showing a rise in unemployment. There are now 134,000 unemployed - 14,000 more than when the National government took office. Which is I guess what happens when the Reserve Bank causes a recession in an effort to Keep Wages Low. The previous government saw a ...
Three opinion polls have been released in the last two days, all showing that the new government is failing to hold their popular support. The usual honeymoon experienced during the first year of a first term government is entirely absent. The political mood is still gloomy and discontented, mainly due ...
National's Finance Minister once met a poor person.A scornful interview with National's finance guru who knows next to nothing about economics or people.There might have been something a bit familiar if that was the headline I’d gone with today. It would of course have been in tribute to the article ...
Rob MacCulloch writes – Throughout the pandemic, the new Vice-Chancellor-of-Otago-University-on-$629,000 per annum-Can-you-believe-it-and-Former-Finance-Minister Grant Robertson repeated the mantra over and over that he saved “lives and livelihoods”.As we update how this claim is faring over the course of time, the facts are increasingly speaking differently. NZ ...
Chris Trotter writes – IT’S A COMMONPLACE of political speeches, especially those delivered in acknowledgement of electoral victory: “We’ll govern for all New Zealanders.” On the face of it, the pledge is a strange one. Why would any political leader govern in ways that advantaged the huge ...
Bryce Edwards writes – The list of former National Party Ministers being given plum and important roles got longer this week with the appointment of former Deputy Prime Minister Paula Bennett as the chair of Pharmac. The Christopher Luxon-led Government has now made key appointments to Bill ...
TL;DR: These are the six things that stood out to me in news and commentary on Aotearoa-NZ’s political economy at 10:06am on Wednesday, May 1:The Lead: Business confidence fell across the board in April, falling in some areas to levels last seen during the lockdowns because of a collapse in ...
Over the past 36 hours, Christopher Luxon has been dong his best to portray the centre-right’s plummeting poll numbers as a mark of virtue. Allegedly, the negative verdicts are the result of hard economic times, and of a government bravely set out on a perilous rescue mission from which not ...
Auckland Transport have started rolling out new HOP card readers around the network and over the next three months, all of them on buses, at train stations and ferry wharves will be replaced. The change itself is not that remarkable, with the new readers looking similar to what is already ...
Completed reads for April: The Difference Engine, by William Gibson and Bruce Sterling Carnival of Saints, by George Herman The Snow Spider, by Jenny Nimmo Emlyn’s Moon, by Jenny Nimmo The Chestnut Soldier, by Jenny Nimmo Death Comes As the End, by Agatha Christie Lord of the Flies, by ...
On February 14, 2023 we announced our Rebuttal Update Project. This included an ask for feedback about the added "At a glance" section in the updated basic rebuttal versions. This weekly blog post series highlights this new section of one of the updated basic rebuttal versions and serves as a ...
Have a story to share about St Paul’s, but today just picturesPopular novels written at this desk by a young man who managed to bootstrap himself out of father’s imprisonment and his own young life in a workhouse Read more ...
The list of former National Party Ministers being given plum and important roles got longer this week with the appointment of former Deputy Prime Minister Paula Bennett as the chair of Pharmac. The Christopher Luxon-led Government has now made key appointments to Bill English, Simon Bridges, Steven Joyce, Roger Sowry, ...
Newsroom has a story today about National's (fortunately failed) effort to disestablish the newly-created Inspector-General of Defence. The creation of this agency was the key recommendation of the Inquiry into Operation Burnham, and a vital means of restoring credibility and social licence to an agency which had been caught lying ...
Holding On To The Present:The moment a political movement arises that attacks the whole idea of social progress, and announces its intention to wind back the hands of History’s clock, then democracy, along with its unwritten rules, is in mortal danger.IT’S A COMMONPLACE of political speeches, especially those delivered in ...
Stuck In The Middle With You:As Christopher Luxon feels the hot breath of Act’s and NZ First’s extremists on the back of his neck and, as he reckons with the damage their policies are already inflicting upon a country he’s described as “fragile”, is there not some merit in reaching out ...
The unpopular coalition government is currently rushing to repeal section 7AA of the Oranga Tamariki Act. The clause is Oranga Tamariki's Treaty clause, and was inserted after its systematic stealing of Māori children became a public scandal and resulted in physical resistance to further abductions. The clause created clear obligations ...
Buzz from the Beehive The government’s official website – which Point of Order monitors daily – not for the first time has nothing much to say today about political happenings that are grabbing media headlines. It makes no mention of the latest 1News-Verian poll, for example. This shows National down ...
It Takes A Train To Cry:Surely, there is nothing lonelier in all this world than the long wail of a distant steam locomotive on a cold Winter’s night.AS A CHILD, I would lie awake in my grandfather’s house and listen to the traffic. The big wooden house was only a ...
Packing A Punch: The election of the present government, including in its ranks politicians dedicated to reasserting the rights of the legislature in shaping and determining the future of Māori and Pakeha in New Zealand, should have alerted the judiciary – including its anomalous appendage, the Waitangi Tribunal – that its ...
Dead Woman Walking: New Zealand’s media industry had been moving steadily towards disaster for all the years Melissa Lee had been National’s media and communications policy spokesperson, and yet, when the crisis finally broke, on her watch, she had nothing intelligent to offer. Christopher Luxon is a patient man - but he’s not ...
Chris Trotter writes – New Zealand politics is remarkably easy-going: dangerously so, one might even say. With the notable exception of John Key’s flat ruling-out of the NZ First Party in 2008, all parties capable of clearing MMP’s five-percent threshold, or winning one or more electorate seats, tend ...
Bryce Edwards writes – Polling shows that Wellington Mayor Tory Whanau has the lowest approval rating of any mayor in the country. Siting at -12 per cent, the proportion of constituents who disapprove of her performance outweighs those who give her the thumbs up. This negative rating is ...
Luxon will no doubt put a brave face on it, but there is no escaping the pressure this latest poll will put on him and the government. Photo: Lynn Grieveson / The KākāTL;DR: These are the six things that stood out to me in news and commentary on Aotearoa-NZ’s political ...
This is a re-post from The Climate Brink by Andrew Dessler In the wake of any unusual weather event, someone inevitably asks, “Did climate change cause this?” In the most literal sense, that answer is almost always no. Climate change is never the sole cause of hurricanes, heat waves, droughts, or ...
Something odd happened yesterday, and I’d love to know if there’s more to it. If there was something which preempted what happened, or if it was simply a throwaway line in response to a journalist.Yesterday David Seymour was asked at a press conference what the process would be if the ...
Hi,From time to time, I want to bring Webworm into the real world. We did it last year with the Jurassic Park event in New Zealand — which was a lot of fun!And so on Saturday May 11th, in Los Angeles, I am hosting a lil’ Webworm pop-up! I’ve been ...
Education Minister Erica Standford yesterday unveiled a fundamental reform of the way our school pupils are taught. She would not exactly say so, but she is all but dismantling the so-called “inquiry” “feel good” method of teaching, which has ruled in our classrooms since a major review of the New ...
Exactly where are we seriously going with this government and its policies? That is, apart from following what may as well be a Truss-Lite approach on the purported economic “plan“, and Victorian-era regression when it comes to social policy.Oh it’ll work this time of course, we’re basically assured, “the ...
Hey Uncle Dave, When the Poms joined the EEC, I wasn't one of those defeatists who said, Well, that’s it for the dairy job. And I was right, eh? The Chinese can’t get enough of our milk powder and eventually, the Poms came to their senses and backed up the ute ...
Polling shows that Wellington Mayor Tory Whanau has the lowest approval rating of any mayor in the country. Siting at -12 per cent, the proportion of constituents who disapprove of her performance outweighs those who give her the thumbs up. This negative rating is higher than for any other mayor ...
Buzz from the Beehive Pharmac has been given a financial transfusion and a new chair to oversee its spending in the pharmaceutical business. Associate Health Minister David Seymour described the funding for Pharmac as “its largest ever budget of $6.294 billion over four years, fixing a $1.774 billion fiscal cliff”. ...
Bryce Edwards writes – Many criticisms are being made of the Government’s Fast Track Approvals Bill, including by this writer. But as with everything in politics, every story has two sides, and both deserve attention. It’s important to understand what the Government is trying to achieve and its ...
TL;DR: Here’s my top 10 ‘pick ‘n’ mix of links to news, analysis and opinion articles as of 10:10am on Monday, April 29:Scoop: The children's ward at Rotorua Hospital will be missing a third of its beds as winter hits because Te Whatu Ora halted an upgrade partway through to ...
span class=”dropcap”>As hideous as David Seymour can be, it is worth keeping in mind occasionally that there are even worse political figures (and regimes) out there. Iran for instance, is about to execute the country’s leading hip hop musician Toomaj Salehi, for writing and performing raps that “corrupt” the nation’s ...
Yesterday marked 10 years since the first electric train carried passengers in Auckland so it’s a good time to look back at it and the impact it has had. A brief history The first proposals for rail electrification in Auckland came in the 1920’s alongside the plans for earlier ...
Right now, in Aotearoa-NZ, our ‘animal spirits’ are darkening towards a winter of discontent, thanks at least partly to a chorus of negative comments and actions from the Government Photo: Lynn Grieveson / The KākāTL;DR: These are the six things that stood out to me in news and commentary on ...
You make people evil to punish the paststuck inside a sequel with a rotating castThe following photos haven’t been generated with AI, or modified in any way. They are flesh and blood, human beings. On the left is Galatea Young, a young mum, and her daughter Fiadh who has Angelman ...
April has been a quiet month at A Phuulish Fellow. I have had an exceptionally good reading month, and a decently productive writing month – for original fiction, anyway – but not much has caught my eye that suggested a blog article. It has been vaguely frustrating, to be honest. ...
A listing of 31 news and opinion articles we found interesting and shared on social media during the past week: Sun, April 21, 2024 thru Sat, April 27, 2024. Story of the week Anthropogenic climate change may be the ultimate shaggy dog story— but with a twist, because here ...
Hi,I spent about a year on Webworm reporting on an abusive megachurch called Arise, and it made me want to stab my eyes out with a fork.I don’t regret that reporting in 2022 and 2023 — I am proud of it — but it made me angry.Over three main stories ...
The new Victoria University Vice-Chancellor decided to have a forum at the university about free speech and academic freedom as it is obviously a topical issue, and the Government is looking at legislating some carrots or sticks for universities to uphold their obligations under the Education and Training Act. They ...
Do you remember when Melania Trump got caught out using a speech that sounded awfully like one Michelle Obama had given? Uncannily so.Well it turns out that Abraham Lincoln is to Winston Peters as Michelle was to Melania. With the ANZAC speech Uncle Winston gave at Gallipoli having much in ...
She was born 25 years ago today in North Shore hospital. Her eyes were closed tightly shut, her mouth was silently moving. The whole theatre was all quiet intensity as they marked her a 2 on the APGAR test. A one-minute eternity later, she was an 8. The universe was ...
Skeptical Science is partnering with Gigafact to produce fact briefs — bite-sized fact checks of trending claims. This fact brief was written by Sue Bin Park in collaboration with members from our Skeptical Science team. You can submit claims you think need checking via the tipline. Is Antarctica gaining land ice? ...
Images of US students (and others) protesting and setting up tent cities on US university campuses have been broadcast world wide and clearly demonstrate the growing rifts in US society caused by US policy toward Israel and Israel’s prosecution of … Continue reading → ...
Barrie Saunders writes – Dear Paul As the new Minister of Media and Communications, you will be inundated with heaps of free advice and special pleading, all in the national interest of course. For what it’s worth here is my assessment: Traditional broadcasting free to air content through ...
The Government is again adding to New Zealand’s growing unemployment, this time cutting jobs at the agencies responsible for urban development and growing much needed housing stock. ...
With Minister Karen Chhour indicating in the House today that she either doesn’t know or care about the frontline cuts she’s making to Oranga Tamariki, we risk seeing more and more of our children falling through the cracks. ...
The Labour Party is saddened to learn of the death of Sir Robert Martin, a globally renowned disability advocate who led the way for disability rights both in New Zealand and internationally. ...
Labour is calling for the Government to urgently rethink its coalition commitment to restart live animal exports, Labour animal welfare spokesperson Rachel Boyack said. ...
Today’s Financial Stability Report has once again highlighted that poverty and deep inequality are political choices - and this Government is choosing to make them worse. ...
The Green Party is calling on the Government to do more for our households in most need as unemployment rises and the cost of living crisis endures. ...
Unemployment is on the rise and it’s only going to get worse under this Government, Labour finance spokesperson Barbara Edmonds said. Stats NZ figures show the unemployment rate grew to 4.3 percent in the March quarter from 4 percent in the December quarter. “This is the second rise in unemployment ...
The New Zealand Labour Party welcomes the entering into force of the European Union and New Zealand free trade agreement. This agreement opens the door for a huge increase in trade opportunities with a market of 450 million people who are high value discerning consumers of New Zealand goods and ...
The National-led Government continues its fiscal jiggery pokery with its Pharmac announcement today, Labour Health spokesperson Ayesha Verrall says. “The government has increased Pharmac funding but conceded it will only make minimal increases in access to medicine”, said Ayesha Verrall “This is far from the bold promises made to fund ...
This afternoon’s interim Waitangi Tribunal report must be taken seriously as it affects our most vulnerable children, Labour children’s spokesperson Willow-Jean Prime. ...
Te Pāti Māori are demanding the New Zealand Government support an international independent investigation into mass graves that have been uncovered at two hospitals on the Gaza strip, following weeks of assault by Israeli troops. Among the 392 bodies that have been recovered, are children and elderly civilians. Many of ...
Our two-tiered system for veterans’ support is out of step with our closest partners, and all parties in Parliament should work together to fix it, Labour veterans’ affairs spokesperson Greg O’Connor said. ...
Stripping two Ministers of their portfolios just six months into the job shows Christopher Luxon’s management style is lacking, Labour Leader Chris Hipkins said. ...
Tonight’s court decision to overturn the summons of the Children’s Minister has enabled the Crown to continue making decisions about Māori without evidence, says Te Pāti Māori spokesperson for Children, Mariameno Kapa-Kingi. “The judicial system has this evening told the nation that this government can do whatever they want when ...
It appears Nicola Willis is about to pull the rug out from under the feet of local communities still dealing with the aftermath of last year’s severe weather, and local councils relying on funding to build back from these disasters. ...
The Government is making short-sighted changes to the Resource Management Act (RMA) that will take away environmental protection in favour of short-term profits, Labour’s environment spokesperson Rachel Brooking said today. ...
Labour welcomes the release of the report into the North Island weather events and looks forward to working with the Government to ensure that New Zealand is as prepared as it can be for the next natural disaster. ...
The Labour Party has called for the New Zealand Government to recognise Palestine, as a material step towards progressing the two-State solution needed to achieve a lasting peace in the region. ...
Some of our country’s most important work, stopping the sexual exploitation of children and violent extremism could go along with staff on the frontline at ports and airports. ...
The Government’s Fast Track Approvals Bill will give projects such as new coal mines a ‘get out of jail free’ card to wreak havoc on the environment, Labour Leader Chris Hipkins said today. ...
The government's decision to reintroduce Three Strikes is a destructive and ineffective piece of law-making that will only exacerbate an inherently biased and racist criminal justice system, said Te Pāti Māori Justice Spokesperson, Tākuta Ferris, today. During the time Three Strikes was in place in Aotearoa, Māori and Pasifika received ...
Cuts to frontline hospital staff are not only a broken election promise, it shows the reckless tax cuts have well and truly hit the frontline of the health system, says Labour Health spokesperson Ayesha Verrall. ...
The Green Party has joined the call for public submissions on the fast-track legislation to be extended after the Ombudsman forced the Government to release the list of organisations invited to apply just hours before submissions close. ...
New Zealand’s good work at reducing climate emissions for three years in a row will be undone by the National government’s lack of ambition and scrapping programmes that were making a difference, Labour Party climate spokesperson Megan Woods said today. ...
More essential jobs could be on the chopping block, this time Ministry of Education staff on the school lunches team are set to find out whether they're in line to lose their jobs. ...
Te Pāti Māori is disgusted at the confirmation that hundreds are set to lose their jobs at Oranga Tamariki, and the disestablishment of the Treaty Response Unit. “This act of absolute carelessness and out of touch decision making is committing tamariki to state abuse.” Said Te Pāti Māori Oranga Tamariki ...
The Government is trying to bring in a law that will allow Ministers to cut corners and kill off native species, Labour environment spokesperson Rachel Brooking said. ...
Cancelling urgently needed new Cook Strait ferries and hiking the cost of public transport for many Kiwis so that National can announce the prospect of another tunnel for Wellington is not making good choices, Labour Transport Spokesperson Tangi Utikere said. ...
A laundry list of additional costs for Tāmaki Makarau Auckland shows the Minister for the city is not delivering for the people who live there, says Labour Auckland Issues spokesperson Shanan Halbert. ...
Te Pāti Māori co-leader Rawiri Waititi, and Mema Paremata mō Tāmaki-Makaurau, Takutai Tarsh Kemp, will travel to the Gold Coast to strengthen ties with Māori in Australia next week (15-21 April). The visit, in the lead-up to the 9th Australian National Kapa haka Festival, will be an opportunity for both ...
The Minister Responsible for RMA Reform, Chris Bishop today released his decision on four recommendations referred to him by the Western Bay of Plenty District Council, opening the door to housing growth in the area. The Council’s Plan Change 92 allows more homes to be built in existing and new ...
Thank you, John McKinnon and the New Zealand China Council for the invitation to speak to you today. Thank you too, all members of the China Council. Your effort has played an essential role in helping to build, shape, and grow a balanced and resilient relationship between our two ...
The Government is modernising insurance law to better protect Kiwis and provide security in the event of a disaster, Commerce and Consumer Affairs Minister Andrew Bayly announced today. “These reforms are long overdue. New Zealand’s insurance law is complicated and dated, some of which is more than 100 years old. ...
The coalition Government is refreshing its approach to supporting pay equity claims as time-limited funding for the Pay Equity Taskforce comes to an end, Public Service Minister Nicola Willis says. “Three years ago, the then-government introduced changes to the Equal Pay Act to support pay equity bargaining. The changes were ...
Structured literacy will change the way New Zealand children learn to read - improving achievement and setting students up for success, Education Minister Erica Stanford says. “Being able to read and write is a fundamental life skill that too many young people are missing out on. Recent data shows that ...
Trade Minister Todd McClay says Canada’s refusal to comply in full with a CPTPP trade dispute ruling in our favour over dairy trade is cynical and New Zealand has no intention of backing down. Mr McClay said he has asked for urgent legal advice in respect of our ‘next move’ ...
The rights of our children and young people will be enhanced by changes the coalition Government will make to strengthen oversight of the Oranga Tamariki system, including restoring a single Children’s Commissioner. “The Government is committed to delivering better public services that care for our most at-risk young people and ...
The Government is making it easier for minor changes to be made to a building consent so building a home is easier and more affordable, Building and Construction Minister Chris Penk says. “The coalition Government is focused on making it easier and cheaper to build homes so we can ...
New Zealand lost a true legend when internationally renowned disability advocate Sir Robert Martin (KNZM) passed away at his home in Whanganui last night, Disabilities Issues Minister Louise Upston says. “Our Government’s thoughts are with his wife Lynda, family and community, those he has worked with, the disability community in ...
Good evening – Before discussing the challenges and opportunities facing New Zealand’s foreign policy, we’d like to first acknowledge the New Zealand Institute of International Affairs. You have contributed to debates about New Zealand foreign policy over a long period of time, and we thank you for hosting us. ...
From today, passengers travelling internationally from Auckland Airport will be able to keep laptops and liquids in their carry-on bags for security screening thanks to new technology, Transport Minister Simeon Brown says. “Creating a more efficient and seamless travel experience is important for holidaymakers and businesses, enabling faster movement through ...
People with an interest in the health of Northland’s marine ecosystems are invited to a public meeting to discuss how to deal with kina barrens, Oceans and Fisheries Minister Shane Jones says. Mr Jones will lead the discussion, which will take place on Friday, 10 May, at Awanui Hotel in ...
Kiwi exporters are $100 million better off today with the NZ EU FTA entering into force says Trade Minister Todd McClay. “This is all part of our plan to grow the economy. New Zealand's prosperity depends on international trade, making up 60 per cent of the country’s total economic activity. ...
There are heartening signs that the extractive sector is once again becoming an attractive prospect for investors and a source of economic prosperity for New Zealand, Resources Minister Shane Jones says. “The beginnings of a resurgence in extractive industries are apparent in media reports of the sector in the past ...
The return of the historic Ō-Rākau battle site to the descendants of those who fought there moved one step closer today with the first reading of Te Pire mō Ō-Rākau, Te Pae o Maumahara / The Ō-Rākau Remembrance Bill. The Bill will entrust the 9.7-hectare battle site, five kilometres west ...
Energy Minister Simeon Brown has announced 25 new high-speed EV charging hubs along key routes between major urban centres and outlined the Government’s plan to supercharge New Zealand’s EV infrastructure. The hubs will each have several chargers and be capable of charging at least four – and up to 10 ...
The coalition Government will not proceed with the previous Government’s plans to regulate residential property managers, Housing Minister Chris Bishop says. “I have written to the Chairperson of the Social Services and Community Committee to inform him that the Government does not intend to support the Residential Property Managers Bill ...
The Government has announced an independent review into the disability support system funded by the Ministry of Disabled People – Whaikaha. Disability Issues Minister Louise Upston says the review will look at what can be done to strengthen the long-term sustainability of Disability Support Services to provide disabled people and ...
Justice Minister Paul Goldsmith has attended the Universal Periodic Review in Geneva and outlined the Government’s plan to restore law and order. “Speaking to the United Nations Human Rights Council provided us with an opportunity to present New Zealand’s human rights progress, priorities, and challenges, while responding to issues and ...
The Government and Rotorua Lakes Council are committed to working closely together to end the use of contracted emergency housing motels in Rotorua. Associate Minister of Housing (Social Housing) Tama Potaka says the Government remains committed to ending the long-term use of contracted emergency housing motels in Rotorua by the ...
Trade Minister Todd McClay heads overseas today for high-level trade talks in the Gulf region, and a key OECD meeting in Paris. Mr McClay will travel to Riyadh to meet with counterparts from Saudi Arabia and the Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC). “New Zealand’s goods and services exports to the Gulf region ...
Education Minister Erica Stanford has outlined six education priorities to deliver a world-leading education system that sets Kiwi kids up for future success. “I’m putting ambition, achievement and outcomes at the heart of our education system. I want every child to be inspired and engaged in their learning so they ...
The new NZ Transport Agency (NZTA) App is a secure ‘one stop shop’ to provide the services drivers need, Transport Minister Simeon Brown and Digitising Government Minister Judith Collins say. “The NZTA App will enable an easier way for Kiwis to pay for Vehicle Registration and Road User Charges (RUC). ...
Whānau with tamariki growing up in emergency housing motels will be prioritised for social housing starting this week, says Associate Housing Minister Tama Potaka. “Giving these whānau a better opportunity to build healthy stable lives for themselves and future generations is an essential part of the Government’s goal of reducing ...
Racing Minister Winston Peters has paid tribute to an icon of the industry with the recent passing of Dave O’Sullivan (OBE). “Our sympathies are with the O’Sullivan family with the sad news of Dave O’Sullivan’s recent passing,” Mr Peters says. “His contribution to racing, initially as a jockey and then ...
Assalaamu alaikum, greetings to you all. Eid Mubarak, everyone! I want to extend my warmest wishes to you and everyone celebrating this joyous occasion. It is a pleasure to be here. I have enjoyed Eid celebrations at Parliament before, but this is my first time joining you as the Minister ...
Associate Health Minister David Seymour has announced Pharmac’s largest ever budget of $6.294 billion over four years, fixing a $1.774 billion fiscal cliff. “Access to medicines is a crucial part of many Kiwis’ lives. We’ve committed to a budget allocation of $1.774 billion over four years so Kiwis are ...
Hon Paula Bennett has been appointed as member and chair of the Pharmac board, Associate Health Minister David Seymour announced today. "Pharmac is a critical part of New Zealand's health system and plays a significant role in ensuring that Kiwis have the best possible access to medicines,” says Mr Seymour. ...
Hundreds of New Zealand families affected by Fetal Alcohol Spectrum Disorder (FASD) will benefit from a new Government focus on prevention and treatment, says Health Minister Dr Shane Reti. “We know FASD is a leading cause of preventable intellectual and neurodevelopmental disability in New Zealand,” Dr Reti says. “Every day, ...
Regional Development Minister Shane Jones today attended the official opening of Kaikohe’s new $14.7 million sports complex. “The completion of the Kaikohe Multi Sports Complex is a fantastic achievement for the Far North,” Mr Jones says. “This facility not only fulfils a long-held dream for local athletes, but also creates ...
Foreign Minister Winston Peters’ engagements in Türkiye this week underlined the importance of diplomacy to meet growing global challenges. “Returning to the Gallipoli Peninsula to represent New Zealand at Anzac commemorations was a sombre reminder of the critical importance of diplomacy for de-escalating conflicts and easing tensions,” Mr Peters ...
Ambassador Millar, Burgemeester, Vandepitte, Excellencies, military representatives, distinguished guests, ladies and gentlemen – good morning and welcome to this sacred Anzac Day dawn service. It is an honour to be here on behalf of the Government and people of New Zealand at Buttes New British Cemetery, Polygon Wood – a deeply ...
Distinguished guests - It is an honour to return once again to this site which, as the resting place for so many of our war-dead, has become a sacred place for generations of New Zealanders. Our presence here and at the other special spaces of Gallipoli is made ...
Mai ia tawhiti pamamao, te moana nui a Kiwa, kua tae whakaiti mai matou, ki to koutou papa whenua. No koutou te tapuwae, no matou te tapuwae, kua honoa pumautia. Ko nga toa kua hinga nei, o te Waipounamu, o te Ika a Maui, he okioki tahi me o ...
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Currently hiking the countryside in Wales, and can I just say how proud I am to be a Kiwi. I have had a few days to reflect on the tragic events back home. The way that New Zealanders have responded to the tragic events on Friday has been incredible. We have news stories of farmers handing in their guns, we appear to have cross party support for swift changes to gun laws, and above all else people of all races/religions have come together to support the Muslim community in NZ in their darkest hour. You only need to compare this response to the way in which the USA responds to gun crime, to appreciate how great a country we live in.
We were in a pub on Saturday watching the game between Wales and Ireland, there was a minute of silence for the Muslim community in Christchurch, and I can tell you that you could have heard a pin drop in the bar – something I will never forget.
Christchurch mosque shootings: Website Kiwi Farms refuses to surrender data linked to accused Brenton Tarrant
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12214017
In an obscenity-laden email, Kiwi Farms founder Joshua Moon dismissed the plea by Detective Senior Sergeant John Michael as “a joke” – labelling New Zealand “a small, irrelevant island nation” and “s***hole country”.
Why can’t we as 5 eyes to get the info from th bus based site?
the us based!!!
I think that the NZ government should issue a statement that this website has no connection with the government or general public of NZ, as we are virtually implicated in that name Kiwi Farms. Who are these awful people?
And that reminds me of how stupid and naive and unbusinesslike our leaders have always been. Government and business. They should decades ago, even a century ago, have bought back the name Kiwi once they realised it was a national identifier used for Kiwi shoe polish. Then it belongs to the country not to every geltmeister that wants to use it for their own scummy purposes.
Trump has tweeted that
The U.S. stands by New Zealand for anything we can do.
So we should call Trump to get the info the police want from Kiwi Farms web sit
Exactly. I’m a bit surprised it’s not already happening.
His mom is probably arranging a new front door as we speak…
Trump will tell you that there are good people on all sides.
Yes. Where is the value of five eyes if it can’t coerce data from an obvious cauldron of repressed incestual desire.
Our spy agencies will already have all the data. Knowing what to do with it is a different matter.
5 Eyes will have all the Information don’t you worry about that.
The Intelligence Services have to go through a procedure to recover the Information.
If the yankers can grab the Huawei lady can we have Moonboy? Bet not.
Great article from a great citizen – Dame Anne Salmond
“After this terrible tragedy, let’s be honest, for once. White supremacy is a part of us, a dark power in the land. In its soft version, it looks bland and reasonable.
Eminent New Zealanders assure their fellows that Māori were “lucky” to be colonised by Europeans, that te reo Māori is worthless, that tikanga Māori have nothing to teach us.
Others simply assume ancestral legacies from Europe are superior to those from the Pacific — in the law, science, social and cultural life….”
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12213747
Sadly there is a disconnect in these people and they can’t even see the link. That disconnect is a danger to our society imo.
Thanks for the link marty. Agree 100%
Can I return the favour with an article I just read on Vox – It looks at the problem of extremist in the US – but it is just as pertinent to us here.
https://www.vox.com/world/2019/1/14/18151799/extremism-white-supremacy-jihadism-deeyah-khan
Here is the Trailer to one of the two films she made “White Right. Meeting the Enemy”
Thanks macro – we often are in alignment (and I am so grateful for that) so I’ll look into those.
I think the interview on Vox is hugely enlightening.
I must say that I’m one who would call out these white idiots for what they are and not have a bar to them. But as the interview shows – really that is what they crave – to be vilified and feared. To actually break them down is to actually engage. It seems contradictory to all reason. But as this brave young woman found and demonstrates – it can actually have a profound effect.
The documentary is an outstanding piece of work. I could not find a ‘conventional’ link…
While there are some differences between the white supremacists in US and NZ, much of it is the same. This documentary should be used in an advisory capacity here. Especially watch out for the ones in suits. They’re out of the woodwork in US, some of them…
Racism, all racism, is completely and utterly wrong.
Unless they’re Orange. Fuck that guy and his shitty crustacean face.
Streaming on NetFlix in New Zealand? can’t find them.
I couldn’t say – Vox is an American publication. The trailers are up on You tube and I linked to one above.
Yes, available on NZ Netflix according to this website: https://www.finder.com/nz/documentaries-netflix
She’s brilliant, and she’s right. I am a Pakeha – my family are Maori and my profession is in Early Childhood Education. I see and hear casual racism around me constantly and it often comes from people who should know better some of whom purport to be my friends. Every time you feel your heart cracking a little more.
Yes Jan I understand the heart breaking bit. I am a Māori who can walk in 2 worlds and I have heard so many hurtful racist comments sometimes even from people who i have, up to that point, thought were ok people.
I’m a white guy who challenges casual racism when it crops up (jokes they say! – mostly). I’m fucking exhausted repeating myself I can’t imagine how it is for you.
That being said – the ‘funny’ casual racist Australian that visits next door didn’t have boo to say as we talked about events this weekend. Very subdued. Introspective one would hope.
Ta mate yes it is exhausting for us all because it is so stupid. Bit like the graphic – racism for dummies. On one side 3 eggs – dark medium and light coloured shells. On the other side 3 eggs are unshelled on the plate looking exactly the same. Seems just so simple.
They should teach people that if you wouldnt say something about a race if a person of what ever race that is was standing there then its casual racism.
Had an old falla say to me today that I’d learnt his Maori trick for fixing a fence today . He looked a little stunned when i said that’s funny because i learnt it from a pakeha.
You kid yourself most times that they aren’t worth the dignity of an “argument” knowing most times you will face, as per below, “just joking” often followed by “some of my friends are . . . .”.
Will this open some eyes? Is this really what it takes? I can see it is mainly through young kids mixing at school that change might come, things are too entrenched in older people who have “kept to themselves” all their lives. From seeing that I actually know that I have somethings to learn myself, I just hope enough people have enough conscious to do it.
Like Sir Donald Brash
@ Marty – in some ways I’m reluctant to make the following comment because for many, they simply don’t like having their attitudes (whether conscious or unconscious) challenged. In many ways, if anything good has come out of the past week, it is that many are being forced to do so.
Dame Anne’s contribution is one of the most accurate, succinct and non-sensational pieces I’ve seen in a long long time. When it first appeared at 5am this morning, it hit you in the face on Granny’s website, and I wish it had remained there – top billing.
As she states: “………ancestral legacies from Europe are superior to those from the Pacific — in the law, science, social and cultural life….”
What interests me is how this plays out in terms of power relations in our Public Service. Admittedly things were bad in the 60s and 70s , slightly improving over time, but as she suggests, they continue to bubble away just below the surface.
I’m not going to couch it in terms of the “white NZer” but rather as the NZer with European ancestral legacies – they remain firmly in control of our public services, and therefore in the way in which we have been governed. I’m hoping that’s about to change.
I was also hoping – even before the Herald piece was published – that someone such as Dame Anne , and even Susan Devoy might have input into the upcoming inquiry into security services, Police, Customs and Immigration NZ.
(incidentally, if the past week hasn’t provided enough reason to take INZ out of the MBIE umbrella – which has a business focus – and which has prioritised its operations primarily on that basis over the past decade, I don’t fucking know what ever will.
But having said that, DON’T be surprised if there are recommendations from the ‘seniors’ having those European ancestral legacies to suggest a need for some sort of ‘Border Force’. If that ever comes to pass, it’ll show me at least how legacies will prevail)
But you see it all play out in various ways – from the serious to the trivial.
As far as things trivial – the way we copy the Motherland in ambulance and police vehicle colour schemes – supposedly based on ‘best practice’.
As far as the more serious things go – in the way the “we” the “us” have responded to the likes of Anjum Rahman, or a couple of others who tried to report their concerns over what we now describing as white supremacy.
Or the way those with that senior public servants with “European ancestral legacies” actually though it OK to undertake all that “Demographic Profiling’ in the first place, and then in the second place, the way they sought to justify it after they were told it was unacceptable.
Or the way they faffed around when a NZ-born Maori taken overseas at the age of 6 months attempted to return at the age of 28.
Or the way INZ (predominantly headed by those with those ‘European legacies’) continue to fail understand other cultures.
Having said all the above, there are positive signs. Jacinda Adhern has excelled herself – much to the disappointment of her opponents. And her government has been acting in quietly behind the scenes.
We’ll see whether that continues I guess. I’ve just lost extended family who’ve decided to return to their birthplace after having had close to ten years of public service ‘European legacies and colonial attitude’ foisted on them and decided it was all too hard. I may yet follow them.
Has anyone discussed the Christchurch attack and gun control from a neo-liberal/monetarist perspective?
In 1984 Monetarist economic policies were introduced to New Zealand which were actually social policies as well, and can be summed up simply as individual rights are more important than the public good. It came in all sorts of guises such as “user pays”, “level playing fields” and “trickle down theory” and attacks on the union movement ie an economy where you give individuals as much freedom as possible and remove the state, is a more efficient productive economy. Anything that opposes individual rights is bad.
Since then, there has been an inertia in national and local government in implementing any sorts of restrictions on individual rights whenever there is a conflict between the two.
What made me think about this was a post by Martyn Bradbury which asks, if we can ban single use plastic bags and fireworks, why can’t we ban semi-automatic weapons. The fact is, that despite thousands of New Zealanders signing a petition to ban fireworks, and hundreds of animals killed, injured and frightened every year, we are still no closer to banning fireworks and probably have less chance of banning them than banning semi-automatic guns.
You see the same thing being played out in issue after issue, and in virtually all cases, national and local government is either slow to act, and only after huge public pressure, or continues to favour individual rights and not act at all.
Folks aren’t yet ready for deep thinking around the situation: most of them are still in reaction mode. The obvious link to neoliberalism is re the electoral mandate for excessive immigration – I’ve never seen any evidence that the left/right govts producing it in western countries did so on the basis of an electoral mandate.
If they did not seek that mandate, it would provide a logical basis for the rightist push-back (which the left keep claiming is due to racism).
So the left/right govts that have been using neoliberalism the past 30 years may have been given instructions to bring in excessive immigration covertly, as part of the elite agenda. The Bilderbergers don’t allow media to report their meetings, but they remain entirely open to informing the public which western political and industrial leaders attend. Other opinion leaders get invited regularly too: the influential historian Niall Ferguson acknowledges his involvement in his 2017 book about “Networks and Power, from the Freemasons to Facebook”:
“In consequence of my work as a writer and professor, I have also joined a number of economic and political networks such as the World Economic Forum and the Bilderberger meetings.”
The establishment uses democracy as a façade just like the puppet shows we watched at beach carnivals as kids. Most people are captivated accordingly. Use of the left & right as glove puppets goes back to the 19th century but it only becomes obvious to the few who read history…
“Folks aren’t yet ready for deep thinking around the situation: most of them are still in reaction mode.”
More attempted shaming – I’ve put up links to lots of thoughtful articles from thoughtful people thinking deeply as have others. I’ve read deep deep analysis by some on here and shallow thinking too. I think you are showing how irrelevant and out of touch some can be in the face of horrendous events.
Hey leave franky alone, he’s a neminence gris dewnchnew.
I’ve been gobsmacked by the lack of self awareness – big brain or not that is sad.
I think you mean big head.
No doubt he’s smart just limited in vision due to priviledge and unable to recognize it imo. Pretty common in that cohort.
He’s a “centrist”, doncha know.
Another Pete George?
RL, regrettably, seems to be going the same way.
“But, on the other hand”.
Sometimes “fuck off muppet!!!!!!!” is so much of an easier response, and probably a more economical use of time and place. But of course we’re adults in here eh?
It’s why I’ve decided to comment on rare occasions, but sure as shit there are quite a few that test my caring and sharing-I’m so cool’look at moi disposition
/sarc
Btw @ Dennis – you had me fooled but you also reminded me of something.
“Never judge a book by its cover”.
It’s a valuable lesson.
Now where is the Beige Badger when he’s needed ? (Probably stuck half a mile up a DF arse somewhere)
If they did not seek that mandate, it would provide a logical basis for the rightist push-back (which the left keep claiming is due to racism).
Of course it is due to racism you prat. In the North here we have had a flood of immigrants from the US, England, Germany and (white) South Africa yet we don’t have people complaining about, threatening, damaging property of, or trying to kill these immigrants.
I fail to see how conflating the right with the alt-right can lead to intelligible political discourse. The whole point of responsibility for behaviour is correct allocation. The killer was alt-right, so blaming rightists is banal – particularly when the media is full of rightists condemning the massacre in the same terms as anyone else.
Your repetitious use of personal abuse here serves a worthwhile purpose: it draws attention to the habit moderators have of tolerating it. The longer this continues the more likely it will become that this forum gets a reputation for formenting an abusive culture…
I guess the worst reputation that the site could have would be that it is the home of idiots.
Perhaps you can give me some examples of moderate right wing pushback against immigrants from the US, England, Germany and (white) South Africa.
Why would the moderate right wing push back against immigrants full stop? The concern among the moderate right is not that immigration ceases, but that a sovereign nation gets to set its own immigration policy. NZ has had moderate left and right governments. In the past few decades their appears to be little difference between the respective immigration policies they have implemented.
Suck it up some are continually on the receiving end of the “left” being conflated with “alt-left” or something similar or a number of other labels.
Go back to Kiwi Bog swamp dweller
[lprent: Carry on like that and you may have to go there yourself. The swamp is the traditional place of residence for those banned here. ]
ep and DF
Interesting stuff. Helps when asking Why??
This resonates.
The establishment uses democracy as a façade just like the puppet shows we watched at beach carnivals as kids. Most people are captivated accordingly. Use of the left & right as glove puppets goes back to the 19th century but it only becomes obvious to the few who read history…
It seems that democracy was only a first step training ground to becoming a citizen and moving to a balanced, better way of living and running the country than the familiar despots and paeons. But apparently you have to take politics seriously, be working at it all the time; learn about it not just regard education as alphabet soup.
We have let it slip out of our fingers, thinking we have got it, leave it to others to run, and now all will be fine! Can we sharpen up, learn how to stop half- understanding each other, falling off the argument track into splintered fragments? Can we establish groups of people in each town who specialise in one area of governance and are knowlegeable and who come together to advise government? And have regular meetings that talk about problems that locals have put up, and have people come along and listen, with speaking time. A bit like local Council usually does. And can those people think and agree what is needed, and put ideas forward on which public interested in the public good can vote? Then they would go ahead as remits for action locally to fit into national plans and be the basis of government actions. (Cleangreen and a group apparently, has been doing this for a while over the need for rail access to Gisborne).
It seems that is one way we can get our democracy back out of the hands of superior, narcissistic people who are really callous and self-interested.
In the Greens we decided to advocate participatory democracy. Not so much to replace representative democracy, more as a complementary system. To empower citizens. I suspect it was derived as a general principle by learning from how ngos were operating in the eighties – most who formed the Greens had prior ngo experience.
Few people have the time, energy & motivation to do it. Thus we will continue to default to representative democracy. Unless social media becomes constructive (rather than destructive). There’s no reason the internet can’t become a force for good – after all, it was conceived as that as soon as it expanded beyond the military origin (Arpanet). Human nature polluting it could be regarded as a learning curve for us: self-organising systems do incorporate regulation via negative feedback. Humans do it via criticism.
“Hell is empty and all the devils are on social media” ― William Shakespeare, The Tempest
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Are you saying that the actors were all devils.
I think the stage was the prime source of social media in the 17th century 😁
A tough article but beautiful as well.
“Thing is, we really can’t claim total ignorance here. There have been a plethora of New Zealand news stories warning us about this threat, of Jewish graves being desecrated, pig carcasses being left at mosques, refugees being beaten up, Asian students being abused on the streets, and a Molotov cocktail being thrown at a marae.
This inattention is a type of racism in itself. This apathy. Turning a blind eye. It speaks at a very deep level to a lack of Pākehā connection, accountability and empathy towards those who white supremacists targeted: Māori, Pasifika, migrants, Muslims, refugees, the Jewish community. It speaks to the social bubble that most Pākehā live in, where we don’t come to really understand the grinding, corrosive and threatening effects of everyday racism and hatred… ”
https://catherinetrundle.com/2019/03/16/us-reckoning-with-new-zealand-racism-today/
thanks marty, when those events are highlighted, (grave desecration, pigs @ mosques etc), it’s beyond belief that the spooks were looking at muslims, journalists, peace and eco activists.
when the dust settles, i trust that the prime ministers statements about hard questions needing to be answered, are answered.
especially questions from those most impacted e.g. the muslim women who time and time again, tried to bring this to the attention of the authorities.
I suggest marty mars that it stems from not being bothered about it. The ‘Oh well, it doesn’t affect me attitude.’ SEP. Lazy about standards in public life. And with a higher sense of quality of behaviour, morality, and attitude in NZ than is justified when looking at the actuality.
What sort of animal is David Tipple, of Gun City, in selling huge numbers of the weapons used in the massacre over the weekend… just a few kilometres down the road ffs?
He is an enabler. What a terrible terrible person.
Good opportunity for student protest – blockade all Gun City shops. Not just to prevent the sale of more guns, but to protest those supremacists who are so very familiar with gun sales, hardware and shops. Get in their face.
“what a terrible terrible person”
indeed, another word is capitalist.
It’s just possible that Dave Nipple is calculating the commercial benefits of violence.
+ 1 totally agree and with that sick sign of his – just a disgrace.
Yes, doesn’t want to get involved in the gun debate even though that is his business and a large part of his way of life. A man just putting his head down and doing his job without conscience?
Someone deemed a fit and proper person to sell firearms, apparently.
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A gun dealer who has vowed to prosecute a TV journalist who bought a rifle from his shop without a firearms licence was accused of buying hundreds of guns with false identification in America a decade ago.
Gun City owner David Tipple, 60, this week said if police did not charge MediaWorks journalist Heather du Plessis-Allan at the end of its investigation into her sting, he would launch a private prosecution.
Records show the Christchurch millionaire has himself faced charges of illegally buying firearms, which were eventually dropped.
In 2002, Mr Tipple was arrested at Los Angeles airport after US Customs officials found 29 guns and 340 rounds of live ammunition in his baggage.
He pleaded guilty and was convicted of failing to notify an airline in writing that he had firearms in his luggage.
Mr Tipple received the maximum sentence of 12 months in a New Mexico jail after violating his bail conditions by travelling to Japan and Frankfurt.
But just weeks before his release date in 2004, he was indicted on federal firearms charges for illegally buying 363 rifles and shotguns from a US gun dealer.
The indictment, seen by NZME News Service, alleged that he “knowingly made a false and fictitious” claim to Franklin’s of Athens gun shop in Georgia that said he was a resident of the state.
The charges alleged that between August 2000 and August 2002 he illegally bought hundreds of mainly Ruger, Remington and Browning rifles, and Winchester and Beretta shotguns, a Colt pistol and many other brands of firearms.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11534286
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Road spikes were needed to stop a Christchurch gun-shop director in a high-speed, late-night police chase, a court has been told.
Gun City director David Matthew Holden Tipple was yesterday fined $1250 by Christchurch District Court Judge Stephen Erber after he admitted reckless driving and failing to stop for police. He was disqualified for eight months.
The judge said Tipple had picked up a car after returning from an overseas trip. He was seen speeding late at night by police near Tokoroa, and was clocked at 137km/h.
Police began a chase but even after reaching 168km/h they were not closing the gap as they approached the Waikato town.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/643558/Road-spikes-stop-gun-shop-director-driving-at-168kmh
And, like father…
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Tim Tipple
Sales Manager/Imports
My favourite type hunting is Wallaby Shooting, this Saiga 20K shotgun is the gun I like to use because the detachable mag and Semi Auto action makes it the ultimate for wallabies.
https://web.archive.org/web/20160205093220/https://www.guncity.com/contact-us/staff-profiles
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The Crown Solicitor at Christchurch charges that Timothy John Holden Tipple on 19 June 2004 at Christchurch without reasonable cause otherwise dealt with a firearm with reckless disregard for the safety of others.
http://www.nzlii.org/nz/cases/NZCA/2005/430.html
The applicant was convicted on his trial before a District Court Judge andjury on a count of careless use of a firearm laid pursuant to s 53(3) of the Arms Act1983. He appealed unsuccessfully to the Court of Appeal and now applies to this Court for leave to appeal.
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There is nothing in any of the matters raised by the applicant which disclosesa question of general or public importance or the possibility of a miscarriage ofjustice. The application must be dismissed
http://www.courtsofnz.govt.nz/cases/tipple-v-r/@@images/fileDecision?r=988.195297971
edit: seems it runs in the family
Matt Tipple
Manager
My favourite type of hunting is wallaby shooting, I like to use the 5.7×28 upper on an AR15 because it’s quiet and has a large magazine capacity
https://web.archive.org/web/20160205093220/https://www.guncity.com/contact-us/staff-profiles
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Ram-raid ring sequel in court
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Date: 2003
Matthew James Holden Tipple, 21, son of David Tipple who manages the firm Gun City, is sentenced for receiving stolen items.
https://natlib.govt.nz/records/31270498?search%5Bi%5D%5Bcategory%5D=Newspapers&search%5Bi%5D%5Bprimary_collection%5D=findNZarticles&search%5Bi%5D%5Bsubject%5D=Receiving+stolen+goods&search%5Bpath%5D=items
That is one impressive bit of research joe90. Love wayback machine. One can hide…but not for long.
Thanks Joe90
Didn’t know all that history about David Tipple, a really revealing read – doesn’t seem like the guy should still have a licence to sell guns.
I had no idea gun smugglers were allowed to be legal dealers. Maybe the police just didn’t know. They often seem not to know stuff people tell them.
Someone should do some serious investigation into tipple.
And that stuff article on him that lists his convictions etc…. they should change ‘shot at some skinheads’ to ‘shot at some junkies’
Time for the truth to be told.
Well this was certainly quick.
“Minister in charge of intelligence agencies says inquiry into terror attack will show spy agencies did their jobs”
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=12214073
Little has told the inquiry what they have to come up with in their report and that it has to say that all the Agencies he is responsible for are perfect.
I am leaning toward Seymour’s opinion that any inquiry must be a Royal Commission. If we are going to get the truth it has to be done by someone who is totally independent of the Government.
Otherwise we will get results like this preordained one that Little has announced.
Not a good look, eh? Andrew seemingly lapsed into Labour party thinking. Auto-defend public servants regardless of wrong-doing. He’d been fronting his ministerial roles well up to that point.
It isn’t just the Labour Party though.
It rather smells as if New Zealand First have been leaning on the Police to try and pin something on Bridges and, when they haven’t done so, got them to pass it on to the SFO while Shane Jones instructs the SFO on what outcome is required.
Have you got a smidgen of evidence for this fanciful story you’re spinning.
Well here is something he said in Parliament last week.
” I make a prediction: the Serious Fraud Office, once unwisely sicked by that side of the House on to our leader, knows we will study every single step that they take, to ensure—because it’s the National Party—it’s not whitewashed. We will ensure that happens.”
https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/hansard-debates/rhr/combined/HansDeb_20190313_20190313_12
If that is not telling the SFO what the Government expects from them I don’t know what is.
I suggest you read the whole of his speech. It isn’t very long.
Why wally that’s unheard of, a government agency doing its job. It smacks of the worst excesses of the French Revolution.
Are you really one of those people who think that Government Departments are solely there to enforce the wishes of the Government MPs?
I suppose you are happy with the idea that anyone who is other than totally admiring of the Government members should simply have the IRD demand a million dollars of them in back taxes and then bankrupt them.
No evidence of any offence should be needed of course.
Or that the Police should charge them with some crime that they never committed and that a Court should then sling them in prison because the PM wants it done.
Thank God you aren’t in power. You really do sound like a fascist. Or like one of the leading lights in Putin’s Government which is, of course, the same thing.
Well done on condemning the gnatses wally, you clearly agree with the Pompous Prince of the Provinces.
Thank you.
listening to RNZ, i am heartened to hear that the privacy commissioner, John Edwards, is asking for police to get the names of everyone who ‘shared’ the coward shooter video.
https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/385031/live-christchurch-mosque-terror-attacks-day-five-nz-advertisers-move-to-pull-ads-from-social-media
that might give people the message that they are not anonymous, and what a disguting, perverted behaviour they took part in.
to me, sharing the clip is applauding the shooter.
also, in the above clip, 50 advertisers are considering pulling facebook ads.
have y’all removed yourselves from the platform?
We now have a Marxist woman defending Sean Plunket: “Plunket was one of the few willing to interview the campaign group Speak Up For Women and discuss the encroachment on women’s rights by transactivists. The transactivists have denounced SUFW as spouting hate speech and bigotry and demanded they be no-platformed, and had posters taken down, and tried to shut down meetings. The hate and bigotry in this case came from the accusers not SUFW.”
https://rdln.wordpress.com/2019/03/18/genuine-inclusiveness-demands-more-free-speech-not-less/
Leftists must begin taking responsibility for their use of hate speech. Their addiction to copying the alt-right is escalating hostilities. Grow up, fast!
“Grow up, fast!”
You reckon those angry trannies kicked it off?
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Where are the leaders of the Anglican and Catholic churches in Christchurch? (and others)
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Shouldn’t they be publicly denouncing the massacres and meeting with the Muslim community?
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Where are they?
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no actually they should be on TV telling everyone that christianity is not a religion of hate.
we would expect this of Muslim clerics if the terrorist would have been a muslim.
however seeing that you have issues using google
https://www.anglicannews.org/news/2019/03/church-leaders-offer-prayer-and-solidarity-after-new-zealand-mosque-attacks-leaves-many-dead.aspx
https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/111348781/churches-across-christchurch-express-horror-at-the-massacre
sure, but that aint enough imo.
they should be face-to-face, and on tv, as you say
it should be significantly more public in nature than that shown in your links
well why don’t you tell them that what they do is not good enough and why don’t you tell them in detail what would be good enough for you?
what have you done?
seriously you are a bit full of yourself ey?
besides, you can go and check to see if you see more info coming up, cause i did not try hard and only took the first two option that came up.
why would i support your laziness and your arrogance?
having a bad day dearie..?
fyi, this was in our backyard and we have been as involved as we can handle, which includes dealing with these issues directly and personally, outside of here, including making contact with the churches as above
but good on you and your glued-up butt
now tell us what you have done
Will be interested to know who the Australian Gunman has been communicating with here in NZ ?
You could take up the slack veetee, pull finger sweety.
i found you some samples of clergy doing stuff.
You do a lot of whinging honey, yet you seem to be unable to use a. a search engine, or b. to look up local news .
and please leave my lovely back behind. I don’t like verbal sexual harassment.
thanks.
It’s up to the news media who gets on tv. Obviously TVNZ and TV3 didn’t think the comments of church leaders worth showing.
I take it you didn’t watch Q+A last night vto?
Or TVNZ late night news, last night.
The PM’s team will be guiding all the major institutions on official commemorations.
One of the big Christchurch churches proposed doing one on Saturday but the Police were not able to provide a security plan in time and recommended against it.
I think name and shame on this is the way to go. We must show everywhere, including Australia as in this example, that hate will not be tolerated.
“Police prosecutor Brevet Sergeant Peter Finey told the court police were on Friday made aware of comments posted by Vinzelberg and photos that showed him with a firearm.
“It was after the Christchurch massacre,” he said. “He posted certain things on Facebook in support of that.””
https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/christchurch-shooting/111384322/christchurch-shootings-australian-massacre-commenter-in-court
Thank you Jacinda – there is no ambiguity here – time for some people to front up and get on board – you’ll be applauded by me.
“Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has urged gun owners to follow the lead of others and hand them over to police.”
https://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/surrender-guns-now-law-change-pm
Yep, as much as I previously detested her, I have to admit she was placed under intense pressure and has risen to the occasion. Great job PM!
On RNZ today:
“The man accused of Friday’s terrors attacks in Christchurch was also active on social media in expressing his views.
A security analyst John Coyne from the Australian Strategic Policy Institute told Morning Report the chances of tracking every radicalised person online was extremely difficult for security services.
Dr Coyne said it was hard to distinguish between an immature teenager’s ranting and a committed ideologue’s rant among a massive amount of data.”
Surely either (immature teenager… committed ideologue) is good reason to revoke a gun licence?
https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/385050/christchurch-terror-attacks-critics-condemn-spy-agencies-surveillance-strategy
no rather code, a lot of his speak is gamer talk. according to someone who games a lot and who read parts of the manifesto it seems that he is ‘trolling’ the readers.
this guy is sane. he should not be given the excuse of ‘insanity’.
it took him two years to come here, get the weapons, train, stake the location etc and then go in for his ‘party’.
Most teenagers i have met are rather mature, they go to school, they have jobs, they do chores, they volunteer, they have lives. And they – as of now – don’t go about shooting people assembled to pray in a house of worship.
“according to someone who games a lot and who read parts of the manifesto it seems that he is ‘trolling’ the readers”
Absolutely. His writing is poison and should be avoided. Psychopath.
disagree.
we should read it, we should discuss it, and we should understand that the part that is not code and trolling is deadly serious and we should know.
Because those of us that are not right wing wanna be Ersatz Nazis, we have no idea what these guys want to do.
These guys are not economically anxious white male working class, they are no little angelic boys gone wrong, they are happy to kill us.
They have been raised on this stuff, coming from politicians, clergy, reporters, news men / women, opinionators and the likes and the worst we can do is read the shit they believe and want to enact so that we don’t always stand there like deer in the light wondering why this shit happens.
He is not a psychopath, he is a racist. Out and proud white power. White supremacy. Name it and then we can realise that what he did in his believe is the only logical thing to do. Eradication of people because they are not white. He is the personification of the ‘banality of evil’.
And many here have posted links to musings on racism, posts about lived racism and discrimination, and yet we still have people that believe that if they just put their heads really deep in the sand it does not happen.
well, it does happen here because it is us, it comes from us and it kills us.
I get what you are saying. It is obviously of academic and security interest.
I was recommending, for the general public, not a good idea.
Twisted crap I’d hazard a guess.
Surely either (immature teenager… committed ideologue) is good reason to revoke a gun licence?
Or at least have a visit.
So, their first building got taken out last year, their second this year. Serious serial deletion: https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/385032/kaitaia-gun-club-fire-suspicious-say-police
Makes one wonder if a copycat take-out of the Chch gunshop is in the pipeline, eh?
I think there is a certain disaffection amongst some Maori in Kaitaia. Argument
over land at Taipa. I think also over concerns about small Lake Ohia. and environs. There is mention of dune lakes which are at risk.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11813334
(Lake Waiporohita)
Information on native orchids at Lake Ohia
https://www.doc.govt.nz/Documents/science-and-technical/casn11.pdf
Topomap
https://www.topomap.co.nz/NZTopoMap/nz10441/Lake-Ohia/
Lake ohia maps (archive info)
https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=lake+ohia++map&tbm=isch&source=univ&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjX3sKXzo3hAhVYWH0KHUnCB6EQsAR6BAgFEAE&biw=1440&bih=696
Lamia Imam: ‘I cannot forgive the rhetoric that got us here’
Thanks for that – so powerful. I promise I wont forget this in election year or when the next anti immigrant rhetoric starts up again. No more backward steps.
I promise I wont forget this in election year
Are you thinking of joining the Greens marty?
No but may vote for them again – felt my vote for Met a bit of a waste last time but they got two ticks from me. I try to walk the walk not just talk the talk but try is the key. 🙂
A shame as your ideas are a very close fit. Try is all any of us can do.
The Party Vote is the one that counts.
You need to distinguish between race and policy based criticisms of immigration.
“New Zealand’s current migration rate is almost four times as high as the United Kingdom and the United States.” Google
That’s high by international standards, and contributes to extremely serious issues like the housing crisis.
Under the previous government, all of the restrictions that moderated negative migrant influences were being routinely circumvented. Fake qualifications, fake students and training courses, fake jobs and fake worker shortages had become the rule rather than the exception, and even now there is little to suggest that Immigration is doing the job that is expected of a competent civil service.
Conflating policy failure criticisms of immigration with white supremacy is the fastest way to destroy public support for migrants.
Stuart M
Thanks for persisting in trying to keep a reasoned thread on the talk as we all are feeling emotional about the recent event and all the bumbling and irrational and rorting policy that preceded it.
Thanks Grey – bit of a Sisyphean task, but I try.
Agree, thanks Stuart. I do fear that anyone attempting rational debate on immigration issues going forward will be tarnished by some as aligning with the white supremacist.
Ian Lees-Galllway stated today that ‘automatic residency for victims of the Mosque shooting is being considered’ by the government.
Great humanitarian gesture. I am sure most people right across the political spectrum would be in support of this.
I know the Muslim refugees I taught many years ago were badly stressed by slow processing from Immigration that kept them inappropriately in limbo for years.
This atrocity has no doubt caused massive stress all around it, and expeditious resolution of immigration matters would be one way to take some stress away.
Bridges couldn’t lie straight in bed.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/christchurch-shooting/111387780/national-say-junior-staffer-deleted-un-global-compact-petition-in-light-of-shooting
“National leader Simon Bridges says an “emotional junior staffer” deleted a UN migration pact petition after the Christchurch terror attack, which killed 50 people.”
Pussyfooting over. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/mar/18/christchurch-islamophobes-media-anti-muslim
Great article. On a local front of Islamophobia:
Who can forget this little gem – Someone on facebook comments the bus seats look like burqas, photo gets shared almost 13K times by a group called Fatherland First, so NZH prints an article on the reactions bla bla while reprinting the photo and some of the ‘clubs’ bile.
THE CONTROVERSY. Not Islamophobia < = see, controversy.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11898140
I got no filing system but I can pull up historical BS from trigger words all day.
From your link
"It is time to stop pleading. It is time to call things what they are and not temper or apologise for the strength of the allegations, to call people racists, opportunists and complicit hatemongers even if they do grace our prestigious publications and seats of governance. It is time to do what they always accuse you of doing anyway, and “shut down the debate”
Perfect.
Of course, MBS and Javanka are besties
(alternative link below)
https://twitter.com/ewarren/status/1107781676921442305
WASHINGTON — Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman of Saudi Arabia authorized a secret campaign to silence dissenters — which included the surveillance, kidnapping, detention and torture of Saudi citizens — more than a year before the killing of Jamal Khashoggi, according to American officials who have read classified intelligence reports about the campaign.
At least some of the clandestine missions were carried out by members of the same team that killed and dismembered Mr. Khashoggi in Istanbul in October, suggesting that his killing was a particularly egregious part of a wider campaign to silence Saudi dissidents, according to the officials and associates of some of the Saudi victims.
Members of the team that killed Mr. Khashoggi, which American officials called the Saudi Rapid Intervention Group, were involved in at least a dozen operations starting in 2017, the officials said.
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The Rapid Intervention Group also appears to have been involved in the detention and abuse of about a dozen women’s rights activists, who were detained last spring and summer. The activists, who had campaigned for lifting the kingdom’s ban on driving by women, included several well-known figures: Loujain al-Hathloul, who had been jailed for trying to drive her car into the kingdom from the United Arab Emirates; Aziza al-Yousef, a retired computer science professor; and Eman al-Nafjan, the linguistics lecturer.
At first, the women were not held in a prison, but were detained informally in what appeared to be an unused palace in the Red Sea port city of Jidda, according to Ms. al-Hathloul’s sister, Alia. Each woman was locked in a small room, and the windows were covered. Some of the women were frequently taken downstairs for interrogation, which included beatings, electric shocks, waterboarding and threats of rape and murder.
http://archive.li/JcBIw
But where does she stand on Guaido?
WTF are you on about?
She seems to have very definite stance on state sponsored killing in SA, but on Venezuela, other than opposing sanctions and calling for new elections she has little to nothing to say about Guaido.
Best you find out for yourself.
If true, such organised evil requires surgical excision. I’m suspicious about why the admin officials are being so coy though. Looks like the situation is serious enough to form the basis of a global corrective campaign. I agree the Trump regime ought to exhibit moral spine and take action.
They’ll do nothing because US foreign policy now revolves around enriching both royal families.
Audit hard, prosecute harder if appropriate.
“A Christchurch insulation company which promotes Nazi themes has been reported to police and removed from a popular review website following a terrorist attack at two Christchurch mosques on Friday.
Beneficial Insulation, which was incorporated in 2010, features a number of Nazi-related themes in its name and branding.”
https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/christchurch-shooting/111386125/nazithemed-company-beneficial-insulation-reported-to-police-after-christchurch-shootings
Welcome to the ChCh that only some people are aware of…..JS
Dude’s an actual nazi.
Video emerged on Friday featuring Christchurch tradesman Philip Neville Arps packaging and delivering the pig heads to Linwood mosque in 2016. Photo
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12214191
There are some seriously sick puppies in our land..
Doesn’t surprise me one bit. Freaking vile individuals
Holy moly, look at what the cat drag in from the sewage my love. A former white power member from Hornby/ Hei Hei area well Mr Arps you bully boy and I remember you very well my son in more ways than one. Karma is such bitch when the size 9 is on the other boot.
How many of your white power pals from Hornby/ Hei Hei area with their little whores in tow are going to get nicked? Well one down about 40- 60 to go from memory if they are not already in the prison.
Well I can tick you off now.
Must be wee quite at the Yaldie or at the Trust Hotel or those dingy honker tonk bars near the mall atm as no one else we’ll have you lot? Heck even the Swamp and the Mile probably won’t you lot either.
Andrew Little’s attempt to predetermine the outcome of the intelligence inquiry has been condemned by another leftist: No Right Turn.
It’s a good example of how leftists seem to naturally subdivide between those who want to do things properly and those who don’t. Of course, it’s also possible that Andrew is motivated by his conscience: dramatizing the tendency as a deliberate intention to provoke public awareness of it.
I didn’t see the interview on Q&A but I did read the article in the NZH and although I can see why a biased person would jump to the foregone conclusion, I don’t arrive at the same. To me “organisational blind spots” is a euphemism for “screw up”.
WOW !
Turkish President warns NZ over mosque attacks, invokes Gallipoli …
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12214162
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Turkish President President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has invoked the Anzacs’ Gallipoli campaign in World War I in responding to the mosque attacks in Christchurch, saying anyone who went to Turkey for anti-Muslim reasons would be returned “in coffins”, as their grandfathers were.
Foreign Minister Winston Peters rebuked Erdogan’s use of that footage and Erdogan’s comments about New Zealand, saying he had told Turkey’s Foreign Minister that it was unfair and dangerous to blame New Zealand.
“Anything of that nature that misrepresents this country, given that this was a non-New Zealand citizen, imperils the future and safety of the New Zealand people and our people abroad and is totally unfair.”
Erdogan seems almost as unhinged as the very people he rails about.
hope Erdogon the stronk got the message because he ain’t getting any F-35s no more.
Everybody knows that Erdogan is and acts the same as Trump.
That does make him dangerous.
Plus all the revenge attackers Erdogan has just enabled, like Trump has…
Having checked many world websites though, it appears that the massacres have “Australia” attached to them, as well they should…
… but whatever all that, it is surely more likely now that a revenge attack will take place on our shores? Or Australian shores?
Erdogan has plans.
https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/06/22/erdogan-is-making-the-ottoman-empire-great-again/
Erdogan is as unhinged as the very people he rails about.
FIFY
Unfortunately a Turkish National killed a few people in the Netherlands today. He is alleged to have been targeting a family member.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6821647/Gunman-opens-fire-tram-Holland-wounding-people.html
The hypocrisy of the National Party just astounds me!
The latest – Gerry Browlee claiming security services’ failings re NZ’s darkest day has been a “massive fail” (RNZ News 13:00 today).
And previously, their Immigration spokesman suggesting PR for the families of victims (actually the least we could do).
However, it was 9 long years of a gNat junta that allowed the culture within our security services and public service generally to become normalised – even fostered.
The under-funding and under-resourcing of agencies, the yea/nah, complacent, we-know-best-we’re-the-experts attitude and culture.
Good to see yesterday’s ‘Daily Review’ and contributions from the likes of @TRP, @Arkie and others.
And that the likes of Anjum Rahman’s concerns haven’t gone unnoticed.
Roll on a Commission of Inquiry, and more broadly Chippie’s public service reform. Hopefully both will be broad in their terms of reference
Yep they are low. The truth will out and we will remind them of their roles. They are rightfully frightened by what they have not done and by their words.
marty mars
Could you tell me what the meaning of ‘wahanui’ is? It probably is something low.
wahanui
1. (noun) conch – a tropical marine mollusc with a robust spiral shell with a flared lip.
https://maoridictionary.co.nz/search?idiom=&phrase=&proverb=&loan=&histLoanWords=&keywords=Wahanui
Worth bookmarking this –
https://maoridictionary.co.nz
Asked someone I know. He advises that wahanui in slang terms, is bigmouth or loudmouth. What I thought the meaning would be in this case.
Hard without context still I searched for it cut and paste it for you and put the link to where I got it. Nice of me I think.
Howdy @Mister Marty Mars.
It’s good to see that the best thing that’s come out of the past few days is the awakening of a laid back public – many who’ve been distanced from a reality they’re yet going to have to face.
Hence headlines such as “the loss of innocence” and the like.
You can understand (probably), while most of ‘lil ‘ole NuZull is shocked, the likes of Anjum Rahmun, and myself and many others are “not surprised”.
And it’s actually quite good that the international media descended en masse – it’s at least served as a bit of a bullshit detector to the inadequacies of our own – if only because many of NZ’s so-called 4th Estate membership have aspirations towards more global stardom, and in some cases pulled their shock-jock heads in. (BBC – and in particular Kananjit Leyl, Clive Myrie, CNN and Aljazeera aside from our own RNZ ).
*sharanjit leyl
Saziah Bashir: Four things you should do following the Christchurch terror attacks
Three Cheers for the Banks?
It’s a topsy turvy world we live in. Banks withdrawal of advertising from social media might be seen as merely a publicity stunt by the most cynical of us, and sure, it at least partially is, but as pointed out, it may be our best way to effect change.
So well done, and all the other businesses doing this.
It would be nice if someone had a list of them someplace. Good eggs to do business with.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12214245
PM’s parliamentary statement this afternoon must be seen. Sitting still going so link should be available soon. Her refusal to ever name the shooter could also be interpreted as a challenge to stop naming him. It will be very interesting to see if our local media, at least, take up this challenge.
Likewise. Every time his name is spoken or writ it gives him oxygen.
As events were unfolding on Friday I stumbled across his ‘manifesto’. He is a liar. He is a narcissist. I vowed never to speak his name. He is the terrorist.
Nah. The media won’t be able to help themselves.
I’ll try to stop. I’ll have to think of me own nickname shatpants is not my cuppatea.
I’ve forget his surname already. Haha.
They should read that out in his cell tonight. I’ve forgot his name already.
And read the Quran. And play Bollywood movies (but never the last 5 minutes).
And folk music, really insipid twee folk music.
I missed my calling. I could’ve been great in the Inquisition.
I’m finding it rather ironic that the Australians were worried about immigration and deported NZers of “bad” character when it was NZ who should have been worried about an Australian immigrant of “good” character.
Even more ironic was the Australian senator who blamed the attack on Muslim immigration when the blame should reside squarely on an Australian immigrant.
I read on stuff (I think) that they were thinking of deporting the Australian terrorist back to Australia for jail. The previous precedent of the French Rainbow Warrior bombers shows that it is a terrible idea.
In Australia, the sentiment against immigrants and NZers means he’ll probably be admired in jail whereas in NZ he’ll be shunned. He purposefully did the crime here, he should do the time here.
WO blog with its constant hate speech in its comments section (led over the last 2 years or so by SB) has without any doubt whatsoever has added fuel to this simmering fire.
Please please please let’s all overwhelm this hate site with sane commentary.
Your wish is my command.
Even the Rutles had far more to say than W O.
The Rutles – Get Up And Go – YouTube
Wonder what they will do to help students who read books there (some cannot be ordered on-line and loaned out) in support of their university study?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/111397052/wellington-city-library-to-close-after-advice-received-from-engineers
the eagle eyed will have noticed that TV1 published bridges statement from parliament on facebook an hour before the PM’s statement.
this disresepct and pandering must cease immediately.
simon dallow lead the charge for john keys in 2008 and he is still allowing TV1 to carry out his slimy agenda.
Time for a good cleanout at TVNZ.
it belongs to the people of New Zealand and not dallow and his cronies
That’s cos Slick’s stuff needs longer to factcheck murph.
And bridges quoting Martin Luther… Eww!!
See-hitt.. I just saw that wordpress are showing the number of my comments on the backend. 20,263 and 963 published posts. That seem like a lot until I did a Nick Smith and mathed it so that it sounded better.
About 4233 days (taking 17th August 2007 as the start date – can’t be bothered looking it up)
20,263 / 4233 = a mere 4.8 comments per day
963 / (4233 / 7) = a paltry 1.6 posts per week
Still a lot of coding time that wasn’t used for its intended purpose.
Kia ora The AM Show I can not see why the authority’s could not make a special arrangement to get the bodys back to there love ones. Evedince they have enough evidence to sink a whale that excuse does not stack up.?????????????????????????.
steve rodgers you are full of it trump would use any tactics to grab power that’s why he is get the fingers pointing in his direction I am very careful what I write he does not care about the effects of his words. duncan must have a hard look in the mirror why put that idiot on the show of course there needs to be gun control guns don’t kill people do if they cannot get guns problem solved O stupid steve that ight the american national rifle association have a direct control of the White House. Look at that.
We had a system of registration of firearms why did we drop that law well that association above would have influenced that. There you go you should not have even talked a them fool. That’s just another neanderthal USING anything he can to cling to power like a couple of others around the world. Christchurch is run by ational supporters they are not going to do anything to lesson the damage our government could get from this. Why doesn’t Americans change the White House name to something more politically correct.
Excuse Excuses Excuses. Ka kite ano
Some Eco Maori Music for the minute.
https://youtu.be/FM7MFYoylVs
I was talking to a good cousin of mine about 3 years ago I pointed out the reality of racisem in New Zealand to him he looks up at Te Ra and said don,t play that card you see in Aotearoa even Some alot of Maori can not see it or don,t want to beleve that Maori are getting shit on by this system the pakiha will higher his m8 when I was asisstaint manager on a 5000 dairy cow farm the farm ran smovely I worked my ASS of but got know agnolagement for my HARD WORK but I did higher 12 whanau/Maori
Even the Maori Farm trust higher Pakiha they are being Raciest to OUR OWN TANGATA and they don,t even comprehend that there actions in not highering Maori for the Top jobs on farms is just helping the pakiha in suppressing Maori FOOLS.
i will give them a education on these FACTS
Taking New Zealand’s institutional racism in health to the UN
We went because we wanted to challenge what our government was saying. I think ((((we were heard and the UN committee agreed with us that we weren’t doing as well as we could. It means that forever it is on the record that we disagree, that it isn’t all rosy, because it isn’t. Currently, the human rights of Māori in New Zealand aren’t being protected. )))))
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In August a group of New Zealand researchers presented a report to the UN detailing the effects of racism on Māori. Simon Day spoke to AUT’s Dr Heather Came about the causes and cures for New Zealand’s racism.
When Dr Heather Came listened to the New Zealand government delegation present to the United Nations Committee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination (CERD) she was surprised to hear New Zealand was apparently doing well for its indigenous people and ethnic minorities. In her research Came had learned the exact opposite.
“When I sat there and listened to the New Zealand government do their spiel it felt like they put up a tourism brochure, written by PR people who have never been to New Zealand. I don’t know how such intelligent senior public servants could deny the institutional racism that is prevalent in their administration of the public sector. It was quite a bizarre experience to see that,” says the AUT senior lecturer in public health.
Came had the chance to give the UN a different perspective. A group of nine institutions working with public health and Māori presented a report to CERD on 20 key issues where institutional racism is affecting outcomes for Māori in New Zealand. It condemns the absence of the Treaty of Waitangi in public health policy, the way Māori are portrayed in the media, and the deep institutional racism of the public health system.
It also offered the government solutions to this systemic racism. They’re solutions that engage the potential of the principles of the Treaty of Waitangi to improve outcomes for Māori, and embracing the potential of a Māori worldview to contribute to health policy. But first Pākehā New Zealand needs to accept and acknowledge this problem exists.
t does institutional racism look like in New Zealand?
Institutional racism is a pattern of behaviour that disadvantages one group while advantaging another. So there’s always a flip side. Whenever there is racism, there is privilege.
Lots of our work has been documenting the institutional racism in the health sector. My PhD looked at policy and funding practices – I did a nationwide survey and looked at Māori health providers’ experiences of Crown funding. We compared this with the experiences of primary health organisations, other non-governmental organisations, and public health units that are based in DHBs – mainstream providers. What we found was that across those different providers, in terms of factors like the length of their contract and the frequency of how they were scrutinised, there were a whole lot of domains where we could show statistically different treatment of Māori health providers – and that treatment was negative. That was an example of the racism.
There was no justification if you read the policy documents, and frameworks, and how the ministry of health or the DHBs are supposed to be doing procurement, there is no explanation for why they would be giving Māori shorter contracts than other providers. There are a whole lot of places where you can identify this racism.
How does institutional racism manifest itself for individual experience, once it reaches the people?
Our work is about the structural stuff. Other people like Ricci Harris at Te Rōpū Rangahau Hauora a Eru Pōmare, have done a lot of research around what happens when people are trying to access health services. They’ve done research that shows if you turn up at A&E and you’re Pākehā, and you have a set of symptoms, and you turn up at A&E and you’re Māori with the same set of symptoms, you will get offered different treatment plans. You will get offered more expensive stuff, and more aggressive stuff if you’re Pākehā, because there are assumptions about how motivated your family are, or what resources you have available to care for yourself. The failure of screening programmes to reach Māori and Pacific communities means they miss out on early protection, and that impacts on their health outcomes.
My discipline is public health. And that is about keeping whole populations well. We are the people that try to get people to wear seatbelts, we are the people that try and stop people from smoking, we’re the people that are interested in ending poverty because it is a key determiner of health. So we are interested in groups of people rather than individuals, but you can see the reach of institutional racism across all sorts of domains.
Do you think New Zealanders are aware of the extent that racism exists in our country?
I think racism has been normalised, so it is often hard for Pākehā to see the racism. We are enormously monocultural in how we conduct ourselves.
I think we could do much more, for example by making te reo Māori compulsory in schools and helping encourage and nurture people to learn more about te ao Māori. Certainly for me, my contact with te ao Māori has been really positive – I’ve learnt lots of amazing things about this land and the people who live here that make me feel a fuller and more useful human being. I think there are lots of opportunities to learn from te ao Māori.
In the last few weeks we have seen the commentary that’s labelled the Treaty a cover up and complained about hearing te reo Māori on the radio. What effect do comments like that have on Māori, and the success of New Zealand?
I think it is great if people can take the time to read the text of the Treaty and take the time to learn a bit about our colonial history. If we believe in fair play, which I believe many New Zealanders do, we need to come to terms with the impact of historical racism on this country. If we manage to stop the racism in this country and improve the health and educational outcomes of Māori, we will lift up the health and well being of all New Zealanders. It is in our best interest to support Māori taking control of their health and well being.
What needs to be done to make that happen and what role would the Treaty have in that?
I would love every New Zealander to spend a day going to the Waitangi Tribunal hearings, and listening to the evidence and getting a bit of the sense of what happened. I went to the Wai 1040 claims up in Nga Puhi because I was living there at the time. There wasn’t many Pākehā there, but it was very humbling and interesting.
From my understanding of a Māori worldview, the past is before us – it is not tucked away, it is forever present. The way Māori were talking about Te Tiriti at that hui I was at, it was as if it was signed yesterday. For a lot of Pākehā people, 1840 is ancient and buried history.
We have an opportunity to choose to engage with Māori going forward with integrity and honourability going forward, and to honour the agreement that my ancestors made on our behalf. That is an approach of integrity and fair play – and that is a more useful way forward than burying it and pretending it never happened.
We can make this right, if we have the political will to do this. For a lot of Pākehā family like mine, my god daughter is Nga Puhi, I am a seventh generation Pākehā New Zealander, my nieces are Ngati Maniapoto and Ngati Whatua, my grandchildren are Ngati Kahungunu. This is the future of Pākehā that we are going to have this blended whakapapa.
There are a hundred reasons why we have to come to terms with what’s happened in this country, and try to end the institutional racism that we have. Let’s not be a divided country, but instead a country that is rich in equity.
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https://thespinoff.co.nz/society/03-12-2017/taking-new-zealands-institutional-racism-to-the-un/
Some Eco Maori Music for the minute.
https://youtu.be/34Na4j8AVgA
Keep Championing the good cause YOUR FUTURE ENVIROMENT Kia Kaha Tamariki
Students drag mayor out of office for climate ‘strike’
Marlborough students dragged their mayor from a meeting to make sure he them as they joined the student-led global protest on climate change.
After their chants outside the council did not raise him students went in to the building to get Marlborough Mayor John Leggett.
The protest in Seymour Square was among about 30 events planned across New Zealand as part of the global School Strike 4 Climate Action movement.
About 1500 students and supporters joined in on the protest in Blenheim, most donning placards or green war paint, in a call for urgent action on climate change.
READ MORE:
* Climate change strike: This is why Kiwi kids are ‘bunking’ school
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* Telling students whether to take part in climate change strike ‘patronising’, Shaw says
Marlborough rally organiser George Glover, Year 12, was surprised Leggett did not come to the protest.
“I’d much prefer to be out here, watching and listening to the really amazing and talented support for the cause you’ve come together for. I applaud you for that,” he said.
It was also great to see young people heading the strike, as it showed young people were willing to create change in the area, Leggett said.
“This is a great show of solidarity and great show of support for something that is going to be affecting us all, so I applaud you for that and keep up the work.”
Climate change action was something students needed to “keep momentum on”, he said.
“No more coal, no more oil, keep your carbon in the soil,” students chanted outside Smith’s office.
Glover, of Marlborough Boy’s College, said it was worth getting a black mark on his attendance record to encourage the community to take action on climate change.
He was encouraged to spearhead the Marlborough protest after going to the Sir Peter Blake Trust Youth EnviroLeaders’ Forum last year, he said.
“We’re only striking for one day, but we’re going to make a bloody big difference.”
Springlands School students Zoe Meeten, 9, and Jess Bell, 9, were encouraged to organise their peers to head out on the strike after watching Swedish teen climate activist Greta Thunberg on YouTube. ka kite ano links below
https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/climate-news/111089917/climate-change-strike-this-is-why-kiwi-kids-are-bunking-school?rm=a
https://www.stuff.co.nz/timaru-herald/news/111197897/timarus-young-women-to-strike-against-climate-change?rm=a
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/111149062/telling-students-whether-to-take-part-in-climate-change-strike-patronising-shaw-says?rm=a
See Whanau human caused climate change is going to have a devarstating negtive effect on OUR POORER COUSINS while the billionares sit on more money than anyone needs making excuses about why it is OK for them the oil barrons to denie reality they don,t want to lose there money because with it they are treated like god,s but they don,t treat the people like treasures all life should be treasured not just the RICH PEOPLE
The devastating cyclone that hit south-eastern Africa may be the worst ever disaster to strike the southern hemisphere, according to the UN.
Cyclone Idai has swept through Mozambique, Malawi and Zimbabwe over the past few days, destroying almost everything in its path, causing devastating floods, killing and injuring thousands of people and ruining crops. More than 2.6 million people could be affected across the three countries, and the port city of Beira, which was hit on Friday and is home to 500,000 people, is now an “island in the ocean”, almost completely cut off.
The official death tolls in Mozambique, Zimbabwe and Malawi are 200, 98 and 56 respectively. But these totals only scratch the surface; the real toll may not be known for many months as the countries deal with a still unfolding disaster.
Mozambique’s president, Filipe Nyusi, announced three days of national mourning late on Tuesday and said his government would declare a national emergency.
The country has been hit by cyclones and floods before. The most devastating in recent memory were in 2000, but these could be even worse.
Houses, roads and telegraph poles are completely submerged. The Mozambican and South African military and other organisations are working to rescue people from the air, though many are struggling to get supplies and teams to the region because roads and bridges have been ripped up or have huge sinkholes in them.
Some people are stranded clinging to trees; others are on houses or “new islands” that have formed, and have no food, according to rescue workers.
“Sometimes we can only save two out of five; sometimes we rather drop food and go to someone else who’s in bigger danger,” Ian Scher from Rescue SA told AFP. “We just save what we can save and the others will perish.”
A pilot doing a survey for Mission Aviation Fellowship flew over the basin of Buzi river in Mozambique, which had burst its banks, and was able to provide the first information on the area.
“It was a heartbreaking flight today as we flew over many miles of flooded land in the Buzi River basin. We saw many people stranded on roof tops surrounded by kilometres of water. It was difficult to comprehend and think about that probably many have perished,” Rick Emenaker told the South African site Lowvelder.
With the first flight leaving on Sunday and one mobile network, Movitel, just restored, more details are beginning to emerge of what happened in Beira when the cyclone hit. Ka kite ano links below P.S while I write this post the sandflys are playing silly little buggers with my computa
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/mar/19/cyclone-idai-worst-weather-disaster-to-hit-southern-hemisphere-mozambique-malawi
Kia ora Newshub Those men on the World stage strutting their STUFF is exactly WHY ECO Maori backs Equality for OUR Wahine neanderthal want war Wahine use their intelligence and deplomacy and treasure all life .
The big tech companies need to comply and help pull those obscene videos and stop them from being reposted.
I seen that stan just chasing money at any cost the Kaitaia trucking contractor it’s good to see big businesses held accountable for there dirty deeds Its is human caused climate change that’s causing the desaster in Africa at the minute . Ka kite ano
M8Kia ora Te ao Maori News I the old Maori way was to treasure all life its cool that other cultures get that about us Maori.
Its Ka pai to see all the good people making donations to help the Muslims people who lost there love in the Christchurch tragedy it will help smove the Wai in their Futures.
That’s a awesome event gaveing all the best brightest Maori tamariki STARS together in Waikato to brain storm talk about there future journeys up there ladders of Life Ka pai.
Kia ora to all the people who attended the World ILGB conference in Wellington. “I” we must axcept that people are different and give them the same respect as on would give there Kaumatua Ka kite ano P.S I smelt a funny faimlar smell at 6 pm tonight.????????????
Kia ora The AM Show I will have to be careful not to back a person directly I will rember that.
Its good to see NZ rose tinted glasses are working good the 8th happiest country in the world.
Just the action of that idiot shows how some Australians class Aotearoa that’s why there pollies can use the deportation of Australian Kiwis as a political vote grabbing Tool it was never about what’s best for the 2 countrys just vote grabbing.
The tech company’s are to powerful some have Ex Presidential administratior people working for them big CONFLICT OF INTEREST there.
shonky gave them to much Power our police force which includeds all the spy agencies the main computers x3 do not have the correct security features to protect your /OUR personal data from unscrupulous PEOPLE using it against good people. IE they don’t no who the people that have clearance to axis OUR data are they can not be identified.??????????. Ka kite ano
Here you go just some of the new powers that shonky gave them
New spy laws signal “most significant” reform to the agencies legislation in the country’s history, says John Key.
The Government is set to break a long-standing ban on the Government Communications Security Bureau (GCSB) spying on New Zealanders with a sweeping revamp that brings our spy agencies under a single law.
Prime Minister John Key on Monday said Cabinet had accepted the bulk of recommended changes, including extra powers for the GCSB, recommended by the Cullen-Reddy review in March.
He said at the heart of the Bill – the most significant reform to the agencies’ legislation in the country’s history – was the protection of New Zealanders.
Former deputy prime minister Sir Michael Cullen co-authored with incoming Governor- General Dame Patsy Reddy the report recommending new spy law.
FAIRFAX NZ
Former deputy prime minister Sir Michael Cullen co-authored with incoming Governor- General Dame Patsy Reddy the report recommending new spy law.
:The key aspects of the law changes contained in the New Zealand Intelligence and Security Bill were:
* A single law to cover the agencies, replacing the existing four laws.
* A new warrant system including a “triple lock” protection for any New Zealander placed under surveillance.
* More effective cooperation between the GCSB and the Security Intelligence Service (SIS).
* improved oversight through a strengthening of the role of the Inspector-General and expanded parliamentary oversight, including an increase in membership of the committee that oversees the agencies.
* Bringing the SIS and the GCSB further into the core public service.
There would also be a new offence for people with a government security clearance, or who have been given access to classified information on a confidential basis, who copy or leak classified information.
The bill also proposes a clarification for whistleblowers, stipulating disclosures of classified information must only be made to the Inspector-General of Intelligence and Security.
But the Government varied from one recommendations in the report by former deputy prime minister Sir Michael Cullen and incoming Governor-General Dame Patsy Reddy.
It would have given the GCSB the power to enter and search private premises, but the new law would instead make it clear, for instance, that the GCSB can conduct a “remote search” of a computer but the SIS would carry out a physical search of a property.
But they would have the full suite of powers when operating together.
Labour will support the Bill to select committee but has problems with some elements of it, including the definition of national security and the level of privacy protections.
Labour leader Andrew Little said the law controlling the work and scope of the agencies needed to be updated so they can adapt to a rapidly changing environment and new challenges.
“While we will support the Bill at first reading, it does not get the balance quite right. I have confidence changes can be made at select committee which is why Labour will support the Bill at first reading.”
The present definition of national security was too broad “and must be narrowed down to actual threats to security and government”.
Key indicated the Government was open to changes, including to the national security definition, to get broad support.
Asked why the Government was changing the long-standing ban on the GCSB spying on New Zealanders. without a warrant from another agencies such as the SIS, Finlayson gave a “theoretical” example.
He said the SIS may not be able to get a warrant, say, after a tip-off someone was working with Islamic State, because it could not identify the individual. But the GCSB could not offer assistance to the SIS because the SIS could not get a warrant.
The Government was trying to deal with those sorts of situations.
* Spy agency review calls for ‘Civil Union’ between SIS and GCSB
* Expanding spy agency powers ‘significant erosion of Kiwis’ privacy
* Report on NZ’s spy agencies recommends more powers, greater oversight
* Spy laws, explained
* Editorial: Spy review hobbled before it begins
He said New Zealanders had a high degree of confidence the Government was “not out there snooping on their private thoughts, their private emails or aspects of their life that have no relevance to other New Zealanders”.
They expected the agencies – the GCSB and the Security Intelligence Services (SIS) – to look for genuine or real threats that one or two of a very small group of people potentially posed. Ka kite ano links below
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/83166880/proposed-new-spooks-law-hands-gcsb-power-to-spy-on-new-zealanders
Some Eco Maori Music for the minute https://youtu.be/94dBVPpymac
There you go I did say that these agencys bend over backwards for the US
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A Dotcomedy Of Errors. GCSB Illegally Spies On NZers.
Content Sourced from scoop.co.n Ka kite ano
[lprent: Use links and don’t waste my time with breaking copyright or my computers time serving content that it can get elsewhere.. ]
The wealthy countrys must help our poorer cousins as it is the wealthy countrys that have burned the most carbon in my view we OWE them at least that HELP
.Thanks to the countrys that have sent AID into Mozambique
Cyclone Idai: Foreign aid comes to Africa, media coverage impacts amount pledged
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Ka kite ano
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCO9MSRXYWA
[lprent: Use links before I start banning you for wasting my time. Adding you to probation as this is the second one I have ssen. ]
Some Eco Maori Music for the minute
Kia ora Iprent how long is the ban for I did not mean to have the standard liabil for in fringe of copyrights Ka kite ano
It isn’t a ban – just probation to stop any more until I saw that you’d seen the warning. Now you have responded and understand what the issue is, I will release it.
If I seen the first warning I would not have post the second post I did not see the warning till I posted the second post my device does not up date automatically sorry how long is the probation period Ka kite ano
How long is the probation please the sandflys will love me to have no defences
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Thanks I will be more careful I just have a lot on my plate at the minute Ka kite ano
Kia ora Newshub It’s good news that OUR firearms laws are being tighten up to ban Automatic machine guns.
NO comment on that x2
There is a major catastrophic desaster in Mozambique if the whole world does not help it will get WORSE.
I seen that trump went after Macain no need to comment on that as you will be thinking the same.
Dust devil making havoc in Australia Ka kite ano
Kia ora Te ao Maori News Don’t pu kana Eco Maori.
Its logical to have a gun registration system so that the authorities no who has what firearms and if the firearm is used in a crime the owner can be held accountable for there actions or in actions.
Heta a Eco Maori uncles name that was a good Haka in Christchurch.
I seen one speach of hers she has a kick at people complaining about imergration for losses of jobs I still back my words as people should not be displace by out people I don’t mind imergration I just don’ like seeing the Whanau losing jobs because of it as that is a form of suppressing MAORI as far a Eco Maori is concerned if one is to be humane everyone’s wellbeing has to be taken into account when making one’s choices. Ka kite ano.