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One week until advance voting starts. Let’s get this over with!
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@swordfish
Yes! It feels quite good though for once to be a Labour voter and not worrying too much about how the election is going to turn out.
Well last month WE WHERE, in the pound seat, without any other of our past side kicks, yet a few weeks in Politics is a life time as opposed to a week in politics. So one side kick is looking back in the hoos again, as for the other one, crystal ball and history should be not forgotten.
The election cannot come soon enough for me. It is a distraction when it comes to what the main focus needs to be from the government, preventing community transmission of Covid – 19.
It is good to see that Melbourne is having the right result after the long lockdown and restrictions.
Anyone else booked a 100-person party for October 7th?
No. Superspreader events aren't my thing.
Public Service Announcement for all the Tucker Carlson fanbois: Fox's official position is that Carlson just sez shit that nobody reasonable could ever be expected to take seriously. Which a federal judge agrees with, that anybody with functioning cognition would immediately recognise that any mouth-noises Carlson makes should be treated very skeptically.
https://www.salon.com/2020/09/25/federal-judge-rules-that-fox-news-host-tucker-carlsons-viewers-dont-expect-him-to-tell-facts_partner/
Seems like a repeat of Maddow vs OAN.
Except a judge dismissed the lawsuit against Maddow who said One America News was "paid Russian propaganda".
Herring Networks, the parent company of OAN, claimed that Maddow had defamed the company in July 2019, when she discussed a Daily Beast article reporting that an OAN contributor was also on the payroll of Sputnik, a Kremlin-backed news site. Maddow said OAN “really literally is paid Russian propaganda.” Herring Networks alleged that she made a false statement, in that OAN is not paid by the Russian government. In dismissing the suit on Friday, U.S. Judge Cynthia Bashant ruled that Maddow was giving her opinion based on an accurate summation of the article.
That was actually quite a terrifying read the reasoning of this 'Trump appointed Judge'.
If you are a personality like him who sprouts bullshit for money, you can't get sued for defamation because 'his viewers should know he is a liar and thus expect to be told lies' and thus the lies he spreads about people are not defamation but 'shucks, entertainment'.
Essentially he told lies about the Playboy Bunny on how she got her 'payout' from the Don and they literally painted her as a blackmailer who committed a crime, while she did no such thing.
She got no justice, but he got a get out jail card for ever now, cause' everyone knows he lies, and thus its ok'.
Looking ahead, the scum-sucking bottom-feeders that the dayglo swampzilla is partying with now he's drained the swamp will be very happy to call on that legal precedent should anyone ever try to hold them accountable.
On the upside, I guess everyone can now refer to him as Paid Liar Tucker Carson.
Indeed. Actually, that's been obvious since, well, forever. But I'm still astonished out how many convergence moonbats have asserted, apparently in all seriousness, that Tucker "gets it".
The prevailing culture in yankistan seems to regard dishonesty as a virtue and admire the most blatant liars most highly. Weird mutation of christianity.
"WorkSafe inspectors will enter notorious Christian community Gloriavale early next week after reports of 23-hour work shifts for members and threats by church leaders."
https://www.odt.co.nz/regions/west-coast/worksafe-inspectors-enter-gloriavale
About time !
I would be interested to know what the hourly rate of pay is. So they get around not paying wages by saying they are volunteer workers.
When people leave the community do they leave with next to nothing?
The value of assets would be of interest to me and who is the owner.
2016…
"$40 Million"…
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/77378317/gloriavale-christian-community-assets-top-40-million
"charity" ?
https://www.odt.co.nz/regions/west-coast/ex-gloriavale-member-questions-tax-free-status
Gloriavale wanted PGF money?
https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/exclusive-gloriavale-seeking-millions-taxpayer-dollars-set-up-new-health-food-enterprise
Wow the asset value and sounds like exploitation on many levels.
I'm reasonably adept at digging….sadly the site I was looking for CharityWatch…NZ seems to have disappeared.. (Well it did have a LOT of NZ richlisters on its "hello" site)
All I see is the US one…still sickening reading
https://www.charitywatch.org/charity-donating-articles/charitywatch-hall-of-shame
It is communal property. So they get a house assigned if married, they get to have food, and such, but i doubt anyone would get paid anything near a wage.
Yes, the people that leave, leave with nothing and will need a bit of help – provided by people who have left earlier and the state. Mind they are skilled in farming, etc so should be able to find job.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/114491762/starting-a-new-life-outside-of-gloriavale
I found this a worthwhile 1/4 of an hour. Especially the final 4 minutes.
tldw, it covers othering, the importance of listening, the ego being the hardest thing to overcome, media and group think, not expecting to be offended.
RBG's replacement has been nominated! You'll never guess who it is!
They're working on it.
Judge Amy Coney Barrett, a top contender on President Donald Trump’s short list for the Supreme Court, has drawn widespread media attention for her reported membership in People of Praise, a largely Catholic, charismatic religious group.
Another shortlister, Judge Barbara Lagoa, is a longtime member of the Federalist Society, a conservative legal group. Her husband, Paul Huck, is an attorney at Jones Day, a law firm with close ties to the White House and throughout the Trump administration.
Those details — readily found in numerous news stories about the potential SCOTUS nominees — could become illegal for media outlets or anyone else to publish on the internet under a proposal federal judges sent to Congress earlier this month. Under the suggested legislation, lawmakers would grant judges extraordinary latitude to decide what personal information to exclude from the public eye.
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The letter sent to House and Senate Judiciary Committee leaders did not contain specific legislative language, but did offer a non-exclusive laundry list of information judges want authority to suppress. It includes judges’ home addresses, dates of birth, Social Security numbers, driver’s license numbers, bank account details, home and mobile phone numbers and vehicle registrations.
However, the list also covers details on judges’ “investment property,” any “family member’s employer,” and “religious, organization, club, or association memberships.”
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/24/judges-disclosure-personal-detailscrime-420894
Barrett has been confirmed as the pick to go forward.
Barrett's a religious zealot who belongs to a cult that believes women must be subservient to the commands of men. Incels will be delighted.
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Further to the right…and with years of it to come.
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/political-commentary/amy-coney-barrett-emergency-supreme-court-donald-trump-rbg-1067115/
Trump wants denial Inside the "Scientists Lair"….
https://www.desmogblog.com/2020/09/24/trump-noaa-david-legates-ryan-maue-climate-denial?utm_source=DeSmog%20Weekly%20Newsletter
FFS David Legates ?
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/09/climate-change-denialist-given-top-role-major-us-science-agency
Who Legates really is…and represents.!
https://www.heartland.org/about-us/who-we-are/david-legates
The gaslighting goes hand-in-hand with the eroding and undermining of trust in and respect for authority and experts. The pandemic fear has accelerated this process of polarising people in strongly believing, trusting and relying on authority and (science) experts, on the one hand, and people disbelieving, rebelling against and outright rejecting these, on the other hand. The people who have not succumbed yet to either polar opposite tend to have fallen off the fence in utter dizzying bewilderment and paralysing confusion. However, there are many who opt to disengage and run a mile for the hills away from the fence never to return to the fray. None of this bodes well for the future. Only if we work together do we stand a chance. Suffice to say, society is becoming more fragmented and sectarian by the day.
Science by its very definition :
"Science (from the Latin word scientia, meaning "knowledge")[1] is a systematic enterprise that builds and organizes knowledge in the form of testable explanations and predictions about the universe"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science
Is based on Knowledge. The gaining of which, Peer Reviewed by Scientists, is always head and shoulders above any other.
Anthropogenic Global Warming
When Trump is able to appoint deniers into NOAA, The EPA etc, its a very disturbing trend.
Especially when the people in question are known to be closely associated with Climate Denier thinktanks.
More attention and Scientific Push Back needs to be given. Not less….
https://www.carbonbrief.org/analysis-why-scientists-think-100-of-global-warming-is-due-to-humans
Two things.
Distrusting and disrespecting science experts (scientists) is not the same as distrusting and disrespecting science as a process albeit a human-driven one (a human concept).
The nature of (scientific) knowledge is nebulous to many and especially to lay-people. Similarly, (model) predictions can be imprecise, inaccurate, or ‘wrong’, but with complex systems they are probabilistic in any case. Even ‘simple’ systems have probabilistic states or outcomes because when they are based on a stochastic process. Think of flicking a coin, if you pick ‘wrong’ it is because you have only a 50% chance of picking it ‘right’. Many people struggle with the indeterminate nature of (model) predictions and they want/expect simple binary (absolute!) answers, e.g. the weather forecast: will it rain or not and don’t tell me that there is a moderate chance of showers in the afternoon clearing in the evening.
You probably know what you mean. I'm sure I dont.
Unholy ghost taking National on death spiral into black hole: https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/122892803/election-2020-national-goes-hunting-for-votes-on-the-right-while-labour-plays-it-safe
The ghost seems to be the Nat tactical advisor: "Okay, we sail in towards the black hole at the correct trajectory to pull out in a week's time. That'll get all the neocon votes back in behind, then we can clear the event horizon via powering full throttle out."
"A week is a long time in politics, everyone knows, so voters will have forgotten our lunge to the right by then as we head back into the mainstream to scoop up sheeple spellbound by Ardern's charisma. No problem." Ghostwriters know how formula thinking works: just gotta out-bland the competitor. Sheeple love bland.
The gospel according to Luke:
As long as they don't peel off to WinnieFirst, all good.
https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300114018/accountancy-firm-director-gets-discharge-without-conviction-after-breaking-exwifes-nose
The fucks going on with nz??
This judge needs removing from office.
to bwaghorn at 9 ; astoundingly unbelievable…a huge affront to women from a reactionary judge . I grieve.
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I was pretty appalled by that too. At the lower income brown end of town he would have gone down I suspect. And there is nothing like a conviction and jail sentence to ruin one's job prospects. There is also the issue that diversion did not seem to have been part of the picture.
I asked myself – if he had gone up to a stranger at the pedestrian crossing down town and behaved as he did including breaking someone's nose would they have been so keen to discharge him without conviction. Likely no – so why was the assault minimised because it was at home?
I might also had some belief that he had dealt with his issues if he had said some thing like " the divorce has been settled on the generous terms by consent without argument from me and the financial outcomes and lifestyle for her and the children going ahead has been preserved to the best of my ability – I have been to every course available and understand my behaviour better that I understand why she wishes nothing moore to do with me yadda yadda".
His previous good behaviour seems to include abusing his wife.
That is not spur of the moment – that looks like an ongoing pattern.
Under Culture.
https://twitter.com/existentialfish/status/1309574653292277766
https://thefederalist.com/category/culture/
Joe Hildebrand writes well and with a reliable compass. His assessment of the ALP's position and Albo's prospects of becoming PM resonates with me:
If Australia is anything like NZ, the genuine "extreme left" could likely be gathered together in their entirety without violating social distancing rules. The "extreme left" in the mind of Hildebrand sound like moderate social democrats.
Indeed. : )
The "extreme left" in the mind of Hildebrand sound like moderate social democrats.
Umm no. If you read the article it's clear this isn't the case. I identify as a moderate social democrat and I'm clear that Hildebrand reliably speaks my language.
Basically he's saying that the centre wins elections, as it always has. And that people who insist there are more votes to be had if 'Labour goes left' are deluding themselves with an argument that makes no sense at all.
Update from Bernard Hickey re free-lunch govt financing, debt repayment, quantitative easing: https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/opinion-analysis/300116549/heres-a-free-way-to-pay-off-governments-foreign-debt
Voters, too stupid to keep up, still believe govt debt must be repaid. Therefore National's campaigning includes the higher-taxes threat – a trad achilles heel for Labour since the Black Budget. In the real world, that logic is no longer valid.
So quantitative easing has been effective in stabilising the system for more than a decade: it has become orthodoxy.
Looks like the RB has got us onto a resilience trajectory. Now we just need politicians able to comprehend this, and pass on the good news to voters. So far, zilch.
People don't really understand money, how its created nor the simple fact that it has no value in and of itself.
The RBNZ and politicians haven't seemed to twig to its reality either.
Which means that we'll still end up with the private banks creating money and charging us interest on it in such a way that it can never be repaid with a resulting ever increasing amount of private debt. Exactly as happened prior to the GFC which quantitative easing was then used to transfer that private debt to the government's books so that the rich could stay rich.
Confidence
The problem is the Govs and central banks who 'own' the currency and are concerned with its reputation whereas the private banks are only concerned with profit and reputation be damned.
But it could be said it is the govs own fault as they are the ones who let the leash get so long they couldnt see what the dog was up to.
On his Facebook page, Bryan Gould made these points:
Good to know Gould drew the same conclusion I did here last week, likewise from a background of career experience in television. Creating an un-level playing field, tilted to one side, is dirty politics. Does Labour have the political nous to negate the favouritism? I doubt it.
If the favouritism that Gould, you and others observed gives the National party a significant political advantage, then I’d agree that ideally it should be negated in future, but doubt 'Labour' is too worried. I do hope influential lefties are observing and making little lists as these may prove handy in post-election neg(oti)ations.
Come on Dennis, your better than that. Bryan Gould is a politician first, journalist second. He is biased to buggery.
Be interesting to hear from the director on this.
Well good on you for doing that. It's true Gould & Campbell are leftists, so bias is a factor with them. Not so for me: I decided in 1971 that the left weren't credible (due to being part of the establishment) and adopted a third alternative political path through the middle between left & right. I'm only supporting Labour on this due to the fairness principle of democracy.
If the Labour Party doesn't make a formal complaint, collective stupidity may not be their reason. They may agree that the fairness principle of democracy ought to be preached by leftists but not actually practised.
Sometimes the quietest comments pass without emphasis on the level of nonsense they imply:
"It's true Gould & Campbell are leftists, so bias is a factor with them."
Aren't leftists allowed to be biased? Are leftists the only ones who are biased? Gould & Campbell are biased? Big fucken deal.
It always amuses me that commentators who have common sense as their middle name are always classed as 'leftists". Being a supporter of the Labour Party or the Greens does not automatically mean a person is a leftist in the negative sense that Dennis Frank uses the term. In fact, I think they are both mature and highly intelligent commentators whose views are based on factual evidence.
They run rings around many of the idiot commentators who frequent the tabloids, radio and TV current affairs programmes. I find it interesting that they are not better used by the media. I suspect the media in general feel threatened by their superiority and intelligence. Might show them up.
And of course rightists are noble, upright and dispassionate fellows.
Are you saying you don't have any bias Dennis?
Something that is in the middle between the two ends of the establishment is the middle of the establishment.
Please stay away from the 2 pot epoxy resin paints….
If indeed there was a bias towards Judith Collins – and imo there definitely was and it stretched to include better visuals such as lighting and camera angles for Collins – then it is possible John Campbell wasn't in on the act. In which case he would not have known what was happening while the debate was in progress.
btw excuse the bullet points. I often have trouble commenting from my I pad, but can do it if I bullet point.
He certainly did, but my take on that is he's a bit scared of Judith. Just like Muldoon, she is a formidable and nasty opponent and people are afraid of her biting tongue.
Not trying to defend Campbell. I don't like his sickly sweet mode of interaction. But I don't think he was part of any predetermined bias towards Collins. In fact I imagine he privately dislikes her.
I really don't understand why people make a stance on an aeroplane. Quite apart from anything else I suspect it could be a good while before Airnz allows any boarding onto any plane.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300117475/covid19-police-waiting-for-political-candidate-billy-tk-jr-at-airport-after-refusing-to-wear-mask-properly-during-flight
If they're smart, Air NZ will ban him for a month or two – that stuff he's peddling won't get him much support down south neither – educated folk down there.
Why make a stand on an aeroplane? So he can get time on the airwaves. So he can air his views in the media even more. So he can present himself as one who is staunch in his views. So he can claim persecution by the authorities. So he can reinforce within himself the feelings of conspiracy. “I must be right. They are all against me……..”
Which would hurt him the most? Being banned by Air NZ or being allowed to go on his merry way? Yes, he'd use the ban to gain more publicity, but he would be seriously compromised by not being able to fly around the country hoodwinking stupid people into believing his conspiracy theories.
Ban the bastard.
It's a safety issue for the airline, however richly he may deserve an ass-kicking for other reasons. If I insisted on using a cellphone I wouldn't get to fly – masks are no different.
It is more than a safety issue, it is a compliance issue with safety regulations. Imagine something goes horribly wrong during or with the flight and some plonker refuses to follow the crew’s instructions because it doesn’t ‘feel right’ to him, potentially endangering himself, the crew, and other passengers. The core of the safety protocol is to follow the instructions. He or his lawyer can look it up in the Civil Aviation Act and challenge it in Court if he
is stupid enoughwishes.I hope they ban him, but for the reasons Incog states. Hopefully they'll have some savvy PR person who manages the media release with just the right tone and framing.
Tried to post the Billy/facemask/underpants image, but couldn't.
sounds like we should be relieved.
Is there a guide to posting images, weka? Especially images from Facebook.
See this post?
https://www.facebook.com/nzgreenparty/posts/10157211768421372
On FB, click on the image. This will open a new URL (the address at the top of the page).
Then on TS, choose the wee picture of the mountain and the sun, and put the URL in the URL field.
It's a good idea to also set the width field to 400, because internet images vary hugely in size.
Sometimes TS will embed images directly from the URL, so you can just copy and paste it into a comment. But, not all images will embed, and some take a while to show up on slower internet connections.
Image URL on its own:
https://www.facebook.com/nzgreenparty/photos/a.489359751371/10157211765601372
which appears to be posting the whole post.
If you want just the image, then on FB, click on the image in the post, then control click on the image for a drop down menu and choose something like open in new tab or view image (depending on your browser maybe).
Then cut and paste that URL into a TS comment. Please remove all the part of the URL from the ? onwards (this is best practice for all links, including off FB).
Control click is a laptop trackpad Mac thing, if you're using a mouse you want to bring up the contextual menu (left click? right click?)
Image on its own with the URL edited from the ?
Oh dear! Now there's nought but a little blue square emblazoned with a question mark!
yeah, not sure what is going on there with those, will have another look this afternoon.
Thanks, weka. Now I'll be unstoppable!
Just don't get too carried away or the mods will get grumpy. TS isn't FB, judicious use of images to be encouraged here rather than spamming the site with memery 🙂