Open mike 30/08/2016

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1. Paul 1

   30 August 2016 at 6:24 am

   After the Morgan Poll last night, this becomes a lot more interesting.

   Waatea 5th Estate
   Labour and the Maori and Mana Parties

   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9tX9-oBkWY
   • Karen 1.1

     30 August 2016 at 11:27 am

     Thanks for this, Paul. Fascinating watch.
   • Leftie 1.2

     30 August 2016 at 11:48 am

     Thanks for putting this up Paul, was going to put up a link to it myself if no no one else had. Very informative and should be compulsory viewing imo.
   • Sabine 1.3

     30 August 2016 at 8:22 pm

     thanks, i enjoyed that.
   • The Chairman 1.4

     30 August 2016 at 8:39 pm

     That was an interesting answer (from 26:14 in the link) from Little in regards to whether or not he was willing to work with the Maori Party.

     https://youtu.be/M9tX9-oBkWY?t=26m14s
     • Chris 1.4.1

       31 August 2016 at 11:06 am

       Little knows he can’t dismiss working with the Maori Party when there’s something brewing – the “Mana/Maori strategy”, as Jackson put it at the end.
2. b waghorn 2

   30 August 2016 at 6:55 am

   http://www.newshub.co.nz/politics/nzs-first-political-party-dedicated-to-immigrants-2016082919

   The new kid on the block, keen on law and order and immigration, between this lot and the maori party i would say the left could be dead in nz in ten years.
   • Cinny 2.1

     30 August 2016 at 7:13 am

     I disagree, this new party “the peoples party’ whom want to look after asian and indian immigrants, may split the national party vote. I feel the type of person whom may vote for this new party is probably a ‘national party voter’. Key appears to be worried, hence the letter sent to asians and indians claiming to be there for them if there is a burglary.

     Personally I’m not into race based politics, this feels like another race based party rather than a ‘peoples party’. Go for it “peoples party’ chase those national party voters and split the vote.
     • Garibaldi 2.1.1

       30 August 2016 at 10:30 am

       Let’s just hold back a bit here. We’ve seen this kind of thing before and I don’t fancy their chances of getting good policy together for all immigrants without major hiccups. If it does get up and running we all know it would support the Right …. hey maybe it’s a Nat plot to replace Act !!
       • Cinny 2.1.1.1

         30 August 2016 at 12:59 pm

         You could be Whyte, and maybe I’m Wong, all I want is for Key to be gone.

         Still think it will split the right vote, maybe ACT should stand as well as?

         The left would be wise to use MMP to their advantage
   • Jake 2.2

     30 August 2016 at 8:37 am

     And so it begins. So race doesn’t matter, they’ve all come here to be kiwis, yeah right. Time for a binding referendum on immigration and the future shape of NZ demographics.Also time to make the right to vote a privilege for citizens only, as is normal practice on other countries of the west. Demographics is destiny.

     A party like this one will take votes from both Labour and National, but once they get over 5% they may end up as kingmakers. At that stage the price of their support to a government may involve jamming the immigration floodgates open to increase their population and get more leverage in NZ.

     The days of NZ being a european/pacifica country are rapidly drawing to a close. I don’t recall anyone ever asking the NZ population for permission to change the demographics in this way. I fear for my descendents, the indigenous population of a colonized country don’t usually do very well.
   • Draco T Bastard 2.3

     30 August 2016 at 9:03 am

     For the Mt Roskill seat it may ensure that National doesn’t win it as the right-wing will be split. They’ll definitely prop up a National led government – if they’re actually voted in.
     • Andre 2.3.1

       30 August 2016 at 9:58 am

       They would have a fun coalition with National and Winnie!
       • Leftie 2.3.1.1

         30 August 2016 at 11:51 am

         Listen to what Winston says and how he says it, he won’t be supporting the Nats or anyone associated with them any time soon Andre.
         • Draco T Bastard 2.3.1.1.1

           30 August 2016 at 12:29 pm

           Yep. Winston and NZ1st are diametrically opposed to what National stands for.
           • Andre 2.3.1.1.1.1

             30 August 2016 at 12:34 pm

             But, but, Puckish and friends assure us Winnie might go with National. Y’know, coz Winnie always says he’ll negotiate with the biggest party first.
             • Puckish Rogue …

               30 August 2016 at 1:02 pm

               Yes and I stand by that. There are as many reasons for Winston to go left as there is right but if it comes down to National Winston and Lab/Greens needing Winston then I still think Winston will go right because it means theres only two parties sharing one pie rather then three

               however he could also go left so I think its really, really stupid to say that he’ll go left or right with 100% certainty
               • Andre …

                 30 August 2016 at 1:26 pm

                 Maybe. But I reckon a National-NZFirst-NZ People’s Party coalition would be a lot like ferret-legging.
                 • Puckish Rogue …

                   30 August 2016 at 1:51 pm

                   Yes it would but I don’t think it’ll come to that, it’ll be National and Winston and if needed it’ll be up to Winston to decide whop gets in

                   Maybe
   • Michelle 2.4

     30 August 2016 at 3:48 pm

     Law and order what a joke where not in Indian or Asia where they don’t have a proper fair justice system. Also when you have increasing poverty rates and homelessness tag unemployment to that you have a recipe for disaster more poverty equals more crime. And you don’t have to be a rocket scientist to know this.
3. Andre 3

   30 August 2016 at 7:36 am

   Looks like Trump supporters are easy marks for a scam. Who’da thunk it?

   http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/donald-trump-fundraiser-hawes-227486
4. Draco T Bastard 4

   30 August 2016 at 8:59 am

   Anyone else having trouble with the Comments/Replies/Opinions tabs?

   When I click them the page scrolls down a bit and they disappear.

   Two recent changes are

   An update to FF to 48.02
   Presently having to use a wireless connection through my cellphone
   • alwyn 4.1

     30 August 2016 at 9:36 am

     The scroll bar on the far right of my screen moves the whole screen. The comments only fill about half the space that seems to be available. However the other scroll bar, immediately on the right of the latest comments does seem to scroll through the comments themselves.
     Do you have two scroll bars on a phone?
     I am using a desk top so my screen may be different.
     One thing I am now missing is the search option. That vanished over the weekend.
     • Draco T Bastard 4.1.1

       30 August 2016 at 10:20 am

       Do you have two scroll bars on a phone?

       I’m using my desktop which is connected through my phones wireless to a fibre connection. I was actually wondering if that may be the problem but if the search is gone it could be Lynn doing some work on the site. Or an update to WordPress that’s stuffed up a plugin.
       • alwyn 4.1.1.1

         30 August 2016 at 4:12 pm

         I misunderstood.
         I thought you were using the phone to enter comments etc.
         I didn’t realise you were talking about the connection rather than the device.
   • Sacha 4.2

     30 August 2016 at 11:59 am

     Same behaviour, FF48.0. Replies tab also been blank for last couple weeks for me.
   • Draco T Bastard 4.3

     30 August 2016 at 12:28 pm

     Ok, now on laptop @ Uni and have same issue.
5. marty mars 5

   30 August 2016 at 10:10 am

   Digging up a protected wetland? Don’t worry you’ll just get 2 warnings. Waste of space these selfish farmers.

   http://i.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/83679991/Formal-warnings-for-digging-duck-pond-on-protected-wetland
6. BM 6

   30 August 2016 at 10:34 am

   That’s crap he should have been done.
7. Puckish Rogue 7

   30 August 2016 at 12:28 pm

   http://politik.co.nz/en/content/politics/919

   Well that’d throw the cat amongst the pigeons
   • marty mars 7.1

     30 August 2016 at 12:34 pm

     Typical, have to pay money to see.
     • BM 7.1.1

       30 August 2016 at 12:37 pm

       It’s free , just close the popup
     • Karen 7.1.2

       30 August 2016 at 1:03 pm

       The article is essentially conjecture and you may be better off hearing what Nanaia herself says :

       http://www.waateanews.com/play_podcast?podlink=NDY1MTU=
       • Puckish Rogue 7.1.2.1

         30 August 2016 at 1:06 pm

         Could be where theres smoke theres fire…or not
         • McFlock 7.1.2.1.1

           30 August 2016 at 1:17 pm

           Not where tories are concerned. They’re proficient smoke machine operators.
           • Puckish Rogue 7.1.2.1.1.1

             30 August 2016 at 2:17 pm

             The best lies have the most truth or something
             • McFlock …

               30 August 2016 at 2:31 pm

               Yeah, but you’re not very good at spreading lies. Everyone can see you a mile off.
               • Puckish Rogue …

                 30 August 2016 at 2:42 pm

                 Damn I’ll have to work at it 🙂
8. Robert Guyton 8

   30 August 2016 at 12:50 pm

   “A National Party leader is defending controversial Kiwisaver fund investments in weapons, highlighting the “sweet explosive justice” of killing terrorists.

   Christchurch East party chair Peter Maguire made the comments during a Facebook discussion on Friday, attracting the ire of other users.”

   http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/83703605/christchurch-national-party-leader-backs-sweet-explosive-justice-of-kiwisaver-weapons-investment
   • Puckish Rogue 8.1

     30 August 2016 at 1:04 pm

     Why do politicians keep insisting on going on social media for this type of carry on
9. Robert Guyton 9

   30 August 2016 at 1:07 pm

   What does it say about a man to make such a statement? What ideology drives him? Do others of his ilk hold a similar view? Puck?
   • Macro 9.1

     30 August 2016 at 2:09 pm

     Maybe he has never seen this ;
     Warning contains graphic images of 10 children killed by cluster bombs:
     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xa0i3fak3xI
   • Puckish Rogue 9.2

     30 August 2016 at 2:20 pm

     I’m guessing (only guessing mind you) that because it was on Facebook that he was probably trying to troll the other person a bit by saying something outrageous deliberately to provoke a reaction (I wouldn’t know anything about that of course)
     • Robert Guyton 9.2.1

       30 August 2016 at 3:15 pm

       National Party leader, trolling? It gets worse. Do you have a view on Kiwisaver/clusterbomb issue, Puck? Do you share the views of your stablemate, Peter Maguire?
       • Puckish Rogue 9.2.1.1

         30 August 2016 at 4:01 pm

         Much like most other people I haven’t checked where my kiwisaver funds are invested in

         IF I did I wouldn’t be dumb enough to post them on Facebook that’s fer darn sure
         • Robert Guyton 9.2.1.1.1

           30 August 2016 at 4:22 pm

           Yeah, but do you have a view on investments in nuclear weapons or cluster bombs, as is being discussed in the media? Do you support your otherwise-like-minded pal, Peter Maguire, National Christchurch East party chair?
   • Gabby 9.3

     30 August 2016 at 3:30 pm

     Just being a bit of a fuckwit, most likely.
10. Andre 10

    30 August 2016 at 1:42 pm

    Holy crap, ISDS processes are even more abusive than I’d thought.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/isds-lawsuit-financing-tpp_us_57c48e40e4b09cd22d91f660?section=&
    • Macro 10.1

      30 August 2016 at 2:04 pm

      Yep! That is what it is all about – but you try telling that to the Nat voters and they will never believe you.
      After all Uncle John says “he’s comfortable with it” and the “wat me worry!” persona sails on
    • Graeme 10.2

      30 August 2016 at 5:05 pm

      We’re worried about US corporates throwing their weight around. Talk to a Yank about it and they’re petrified that that some upstart from where-ever will start suing Uncle Sam for being Uncle Sam.

      Much more likely that one of the first ISDS cases will be Fontera vs Canadian govt, or whoever tries to protect Wisconsin dairy farmers. There’s plenty of other possibilities too. There’s just a few political hurdles to this thing getting through the US process.
      • Pat 10.2.1

        30 August 2016 at 6:14 pm

        but the lesson is that whomever sues whom it will be corporates the likely recipient of taxpayer funds and the everyman that bears the consequences of the chilling effect.
        • Andre 10.2.1.1

          30 August 2016 at 7:26 pm

          As soon as I originally heard about the ISDS process years ago I thought it was seriously fucked up and wondered why anyone would sign up to it. But it never occurred to me that vulture fund types would go and buy or start companies just so they could take an ISDS case, which is what that article says seems to have happened.
          • Pat 10.2.1.1.1

            30 August 2016 at 7:36 pm

            as the article says, there is no need for the ISDS provisions and they should be dumped from all trade agreements, including existing.
11. Macro 11

    30 August 2016 at 1:54 pm

    Now this is very serious stuff Not to be read with a hot cup of coffee in hand
    • KJT 11.1

      30 August 2016 at 2:46 pm

      Shit. I will have to find a new drug of choice.
    • Robert Guyton 11.2

      30 August 2016 at 3:17 pm

      “a lukewarm cup of brown crayon-flavoured water”

      Love that.
12. Paul 12

    30 August 2016 at 4:57 pm

    ACT.
    Representative of 1% of the vote.
    So why does Jim Mora’s Panel have so many people on its show with ACT views?
    Stephen Franks today was just another example.
    Please explain RNZ.
13. TheExtremist 13

    30 August 2016 at 5:55 pm

    Welcome to the Anthropocene!

    http://www.sciencealert.com/scientists-just-declared-the-dawn-of-a-new-human-influenced-epoch
    • joe90 13.1

      30 August 2016 at 6:24 pm

      My, how time flies when you’re having fun burning fossils.

      Continents and oceans in the northern hemisphere began to warm with industrial-era fossil fuel emissions nearly 200 years ago, pushing back the origins of human-induced climate change to the mid-19th century.

      The first signs of warming from the rise in greenhouse gases which came hand-in-hand with the Industrial Revolution appear as early as 1830 in the tropical oceans and the Arctic, meaning that climate change witnessed today began about 180 years ago.

      Researchers in Australia found evidence for the early onset of warming after trawling through 500 years of data on tree rings, corals and ice cores that together form a natural archive of Earth’s historical temperatures.

      https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/aug/24/human-induced-climate-change-began-earlier-than-previously-thought

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