Peter Dunne answers your questions

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1. Stephen 1

   12 May 2008 at 9:26 am

   Does anyone else think he was plugging Cullen and Clark just to show how open/pragmatic he is, with the ‘but’ that despite that he is more of a Key man?

   I wasn’t really ‘around’ when Bolger was on the scene, can anyone say what he was about, perhaps relative to Key or today’s National party?
2. Robinsod 2

   12 May 2008 at 9:26 am

   So Dunne claims John’s PR skills, Helen’s strength and Cullen’s brains? I’m surprised he didn’t add Jeanette’s modesty in there too…
3. r0b 3

   12 May 2008 at 9:36 am

   ‘Sod – right on.

   Stephen, Bolger ran a slash and burn right wing government. see:
   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_National_Government_of_New_Zealand
   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Bolger
4. Stephen 4

   12 May 2008 at 9:39 am

   Ta. Add Peter Dunne to the ‘has secret right wing agenda’ list then?
5. Sam Dixon 5

   12 May 2008 at 10:17 am

   A good answer to my question. I don’t agree with him but it’s still a good answer.

   That last answer, I reckon it’s proably the hardest question youse have given a leader so far and he makes a decent fist of it but still what a suck-up.
6. higherstandard 6

   12 May 2008 at 10:28 am

   rOb

   Bolger was soft. The major reason for Richardson’s budget as you well know was the large surprise they received in the government books when they came to power.

   He is also a classic example of politicians looking after there own with his Consular appointment and current positions with Post Bank and NZ Post.
7. deemac 7

   12 May 2008 at 11:03 am

   oh my – just when we’d forgotten how awful and second rate Bolger was, Dunne identifies with him…
8. r0b 8

   12 May 2008 at 11:06 am

   HS, indeed. Yes that incoming government was faced with problems (just as the incoming Labour government before it post Muldoon). As we have discussed before they also had choices in how they might deal with those problems. They could have raised taxes. They chose instead to slash benefits. I wonder now (if you’re in a calmer mood than your initial response) what you make of the choice that they made?
9. Felix 9

   12 May 2008 at 11:55 am

   Someone needs to explain to Mr Dunne that “centrist” and “hedging your bets” aren’t really the same thing. Or perhaps it’s his voter(s) who need the clarification.
10. higherstandard 10

    12 May 2008 at 12:03 pm

    r0b

    While I’m not an economist I stand by my original position raising taxes at that time would have been insane and made the impact of the Asian crisis significantly worse.
11. Steve Pierson 11

    12 May 2008 at 12:10 pm

    It’s interesting that Dunne seems to see politics as fiddling around the edges, not about a gradual process to a radicially different future. Hence, his “I am a great believer in people and parties working together on the things they agree upon, rather than forever arguing about the things they disagree over. Where there is common ground, we should seek to achieve it, rather than retreat to rigidly held ideological positions which are ultimately divisive.”

    – that’s not a recipe for change, it’s a recipe for a status quo that maybe works a little better. And so there’s this niche of content, unimaginative, self-centred, well-off types who love him – they’re the ones who do best out of the current arrangement and he wants that to continue.
12. r0b 12

    12 May 2008 at 1:19 pm

    While I’m not an economist I stand by my original position raising taxes at that time would have been insane and made the impact of the Asian crisis significantly worse.

    I’m not an economist either, so in a spirit of mutual ignorance I feel free to disagree.

    What we do know for a fact was that cutting the benefits was a pretty bum deal: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_National_Government_of_New_Zealand

    Richardson’s first budget, delivered in 1991 and named by the media as ‘the mother of all budgets'[1], introduced major cuts in social welfare spending. Unemployment and other benefits were substantially cut, and ‘market rents’ were introduced for state houses, in some cases tripling the rents of low-income people.[1] In combination with the high employment resulting from some of the 1980s reforms, this caused poverty to increase, and foodbanks and soup kitchens appeared in New Zealand for the first time since the Great Depression of the 1930s.
13. r0b 13

    12 May 2008 at 1:38 pm

    I’ve been poking around the 1991 budget a bit. Brian Easton – I’ve long been a fan – has all his stuff on line, and is hence one of the few places you can go on the web for commentary written as far back as 1991. He observes:
    http://www.eastonbh.ac.nz/?p=600

    One of the most curious was the mother-of-all-budgets in 1991. The available evidence suggests the economy was moving into the recovery phase of the cycle at the end of 1990. The November 1990 elected National government had instituted a package in December, which unnerved business to the extent that it held over its investment plans aborting the weak recovery and continuing the stagnation. Undismayed the government promised further major cuts of expenditure in its 1991 Budget. It seemed to be an overreaction, a conclusion supported by the graph below which suggested the economy was pushed below its GDP growth track of the 1990s.

    To reconnect with the topic of this thread, the legacy of the benefit slashing “mother of all budgets” is with us still. It happened on Bolger’s watch – the politician that Peter Dunne feels most aligned to. Make of it what you will.
14. higherstandard 14

    12 May 2008 at 1:52 pm

    Agreed nothing wrong with disagreeing.

    Interested to know what you count as the legacy of Richardsons budget that you say is with us still ?

    It also appears that Brian Easton has tapped a rich vein of government funding (Consulting for Alcohol Advisory Council; Department of Labour, Ministry of Consumer Affairs, Ministry of Social Policy, N.Z. Drug Foundation, Statistics New Zealand; The Treasury) good on him
15. r0b 15

    12 May 2008 at 2:18 pm

    Interested to know what you count as the legacy of Richardsons budget that you say is with us still ?

    The social and health legacy of the children who grew up in poverty HS:
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10503896&pnum=0

    A 2005 report by the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) found that the proportion of New Zealand children in homes below 50 per cent of the median income grew from 7.8 per cent in the mid-1980s to 13.6 per cent in 2000 – a bigger jump than in any other OECD country except Austria.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/12/story.cfm?c_id=12&objectid=10506808

    New Zealand came third-worst in the developed world in a Unicef survey of child poverty around the year 2000, with a quarter of all children then living in families earning less than 60 per cent of the median income.

    Now, finally, too slowly, levels of child poverty are falling again (see the first link).

    Incidentally, for a great discussion of the Bolger years see:
    http://www.colinjames.co.nz/speeches_briefings/Bolger_conf_07Apr28.htm
16. higherstandard 16

    12 May 2008 at 2:35 pm

    I had a quick scan of that UNICEF report – we have disagreed on it previously I have some degree of suspicions about it as the USA came out very very badly it is somewhat like the OECD report on health systems which relies on patient self reporting.It is worthwhile looking at their definitions of child poverty we actually did quite well in a number of areas.

    I do though agree that things undoubtedly got tougher through the nineties where we disagree is that I believe they could have got much worse without the intervention of the Douglas budget and the Richardson budget – however as we are unable to go back in time and run the alternative option we’ll never know.
17. higherstandard 17

    12 May 2008 at 2:37 pm

    Thanks for the Colin James article I’ll read it later (I usually find him a good dispassionate commentator as well)
18. r0b 18

    12 May 2008 at 2:38 pm

    Indeed we can’t, but once again the experience of Australia over the same period (much more pragmatic policies, better growth, less poverty) are at least somewhat relevant.
19. higherstandard 19

    12 May 2008 at 2:51 pm

    Only marginally they hadn’t had Muldoon bring the country to the point of economic collapse and their economy being far larger is always likely to be more resilient to external shocks.

    Wonder if we’ll ever bite the bullet and go for trans-tasman currency or maybe full economic union ?
20. r0b 20

    12 May 2008 at 2:54 pm

    Wonder if we’ll ever bite the bullet and go for trans-tasman currency or maybe full economic union ?

    No sign of it in the short term, and long term I fear that such things will be overtaken by a fair bit of oil / environment driven upheaval.
21. Ari 21

    12 May 2008 at 10:28 pm

    Stephen- Dunne is right-wing on economics and a little bit left-wing on social policy. He supported the homosexual law reform, and has spoken out on Tibet. But if I recall correctly, he’s anti-gay marriage and he supports loosening regulation on gambling and smoking, too, so he has a very curious mix of policies.

    I wouldn’t say he has a hidden right-wing agenda so much as that he’s the consummate populist of the New Zealand parliament, and will blow with the wind on most issues.
22. Stephen 22

    13 May 2008 at 8:57 am

    Oh yeah…he’s loose on smoking but *hates* marijuana. Guess he sorta-kinda sounds like Bolger. Hmm. Yeah he seems too consistently moderate (as opposed to National being pretty up then down then up then down again) on everything to have a strong agenda.
23. gladfly 23

    13 May 2008 at 3:52 pm

    Dunne ‘confessed’ to Parliament (following pressure to do so) that he had been a cannibis user in his early days. Perhaps his ‘hatred’ for weed is a ‘born-again’ kind of zealotry (the worst and least forgiving kind!)

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