Please don’t go there America

Written By: - Date published: 11:56 am, November 20th, 2015 - 27 comments
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No. No. No no no no no:

Trump won’t rule out special ID for Muslim Americans noting their religion

‘Some people are going to be upset’ Republican frontrunner says, adding he would consider warrantless searches of Muslims and surveillance on mosques

Donald Trump would not rule out tracking Muslim Americans in a database or giving them “a special form of identification that noted their religion”, the Republican presidential candidate said on Thursday.

“We’re going to have to do things that were frankly unthinkable a year ago,” Trump told Yahoo news reports in an interview.

There are good reasons why they are frankly unthinkable, and none of those good reasons have changed.

“Some people are going to be upset about it, but I think that now everybody is feeling that security is going to rule.”

What security? And what does a person’s religion have to do with security anyway?

He said he would consider warrantless searches of Muslims and increased surveillance of mosques. “Certain things will be done that we never thought would happen in this country in terms of information and learning about the enemy.”

A while ago (back when I was “guest post”) I wrote this piece, The F word. The F word in question was Fascism. Please don’t go there America.

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  1. joe90 1
    20 November 2015 at 12:32 pm

    The hate machine is running hot.

    Republican presidential candidate Ben Carson on Thursday likened refugees fleeing violence in Syria to “rabid dogs,” and said that allowing them into the United States would put Americans at risk.

    “If there is a rabid dog running around your neighborhood, you’re probably not going to assume something good about that dog,” Carson, a front-runner in some opinion polls, said Thursday at a campaign event in Mobile, Alabama

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/11/19/us-usa-election-carson-idUSKCN0T82TJ20151119


    Texas Tribune Verified account
    ‏@TexasTribune

    .@MillerforTexas Facebook post compares refugees to rattlesnakes http://trib.it/1Xbb1ct via @JMalewitz #txlege

    https://twitter.com/TexasTribune/status/667384207388225537

    edit:

    The Hill Verified account
    ‏@thehill

    Senior House GOP aide: If Dems oppose Syrian refugee bill “we’ll crucify them” http://hill.cm/6BLpZa3

    https://twitter.com/thehill/status/667406255300964353

  2. Richard@Down South 2
    20 November 2015 at 12:43 pm

    Sounds like early Nazi Germany all over again

  3. Sabine 3
    20 November 2015 at 12:45 pm

    preaching to the fearful white minority.
    mind some of the comics lately in the Daily Mail are not better, and it seems that it now fashionable again to be not only a racist fuck but to openly and publicly incite hate.

    history, no one is learning.

    https://www.facebook.com/185180654855189/photos/a.389966974376555.89655.185180654855189/1071938362846076/?type=3&theater

  4. McFlock 4
    20 November 2015 at 12:51 pm

    I really hope he’s jumped the shark.
    It does seem that the crop of republican presidential candidates, while starting out larger than usual, is also of more lamentably poor quality than usual.

    Maybe he’s running interference for jeb bush?

  5. Whispering Kate 5
    20 November 2015 at 12:56 pm

    The F word also reminds me of “The Final Solution” which Hitler and his top brass had in their minds quite early in the war years or even earlier but am not sure of that. The Jews had to be marked in some way – and kept tabs on. What a scary world we live in and yes, who would want to go to the States these days.

  6. Lanthanide 6
    20 November 2015 at 1:05 pm

    Honestly, I could see something like what he’s proposing be necessary in the future. But we’re *nowhere near* that threshold yet.

  7. Liberal Realist 7
    20 November 2015 at 5:55 pm

    My take is that the US has been marching toward their own flavour of MIC sponsored fascism for decades.

    Since 2001 this march has become a ‘berserker’ charge into the unknown. They’ve got their patriot act, gitmo, extraordinary rendition, legal torture, extrajudicial drone assassination, the NSA surveillance programmes, various executive orders curtailing freedoms & increasing state powers etc.

    Once the drone assassinations start on US soil it’ll be all out in the open.

  8. Don't worry. Be happy 8
    20 November 2015 at 5:55 pm

    The Germans lost the War but the Nazis just moved to America.

    • Henry Filth 8.1
      21 November 2015 at 4:58 am

      A significant number moved east as well.

      That sort of stuff spreads as easy as a liquid on warm concrete

  9. RedLogix 9
    20 November 2015 at 8:50 pm

    Not All Americans.

    http://www.stonekettle.com/2015/11/the-price-of-civilization.html

    Indeed I feel sorry for the sane ones trapped in a country going mad.

    • Macro 9.1
      20 November 2015 at 9:04 pm

      “I feel sorry for the sane ones trapped in a country going mad”

      me too – Its all fed from the MSM …
      I was there during the Ebola scare last year. All one heard on TV and Radio was “its coming to get us!” Not saying it wasn’t a problem – especially for those who had it. But talk about oooooooohhhh scccccaaaaaaarrrrryyyy! No wonder half the population are gun wielding nut cases.

  10. Vaughan Little 10
    21 November 2015 at 5:58 am

    many muslims feel that they can’t both follow the tenets of their religion and be loyal to the state. I look at how christians have been disloyal over the centuries and see that disloyalty can be done in a way that enriches the life of the nation no end. so disloyalty of itself is no real problem.

    many Americans feel embattled, and I find it quite ugly to scorn such people as ignorant hicks. for one, how knowledgeable is any of us really in the face of a big fat round ancient planet? to mock others for being insufficiently cosmopolitan is countercosmopolitan.

    so many americans find Islam freaky. I can see both sides.

    Martin wolf talks about economic inequality being so grave that widespread support for the democratic status quo cannot be taken for granted. it’ll certainly put the f back in “social disintegration” if it ever comes to that.

    • sabine 10.1
      21 November 2015 at 7:05 am

      Replace muslim with jew. Are you still seeing both sides?

      Also, nice little propaganda about muslims not being able to re-concile their faith with the state.
      Trying hard to ‘other’? let me guess, you are part of the fearful white minority?

      • vaughan little 10.1.1
        26 November 2015 at 2:28 pm

        well i have an anglo-catholic bent, if that’s the right word.

        it is incumbent on every individual, every ethnic group, every religious community to have clear idea of their principles and when and how they should part ways with the state.

        post 20th century, going along to get along is not an option.

        i wasn’t in my comment coming at the problem of muslims participating in a nation’s public life from the angle of these late terrorist organizations, but from the centuries-old problems that i’m most familiar with from my christian tradition (there is a cottage industry of lamenting constantine), and that i’m learning up in the muslim tradition at a glacial pace.

  11. reason 11
    22 November 2015 at 6:29 am

    The u.s.a was founded on the genocide of the original native inhabitants ……

    Then It was built with slavery ….

    And it’s wealth and position in the world has been maintained ever since by war and murder …………

    It’s love affair and obsession with guns within its borders leaves a trail of death and carnage which is only natural as guns are tools specifically designed for killing …..

    “in 2013, firearms (excluding BB and pellet guns) were used in 84,258 nonfatal injuries (26.65 per 100,000 U.S. citizens) [2] and 11,208 deaths by homicide (3.5 per 100,000),[3] 21,175 by suicide with a firearm,[4] 505 deaths due to accidental discharge of a firearm,[4] and 281 deaths due to firearms-use with “undetermined intent”[5] for a total of 33,169 deaths related to firearms (excluding firearm deaths due to legal intervention). 1.3% of all deaths in the country were related to firearms” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States

    But the violence and death the u.s.a exports around the world is at another level in both the numbers killed and the depravity and cruelty with which it is done …..

    “Reagan’s eight years in office (1981-89) resulted in a vast bloodbath as Washington funnelled money, weapons and other supplies to client dictators and right wing death squads across Central America. The death toll was staggering: more than 70,000 political killings in El Salvador, more than 100,000 in Guatemala, and 30,000 killed in the US Contra war waged against Nicaragua. Journalist Allan Nairn describes it as “One of the most intensive campaigns of mass murder in recent history.” (Democracy Now, June 8, 2004)

    Analyst Chalmers Johnson notes that “the Reagan years [were] the worst decade for Central America since the Spanish conquest.” (Quoted, Milan Rai, War Plan Iraq, Verso, 2002, p.29)

    Consider the fate of El Salvador.

    In the eighteen-month period leading up elections in El Salvador in March 1982, twenty-six journalists were murdered. In December 1981 the Salvadoran Communal Union reported that eighty-three of its members had been murdered by government security forces and death squads. The entire six-person top leadership of the main opposition party, the FDR, was seized by US-backed government security forces in 1980, tortured, murdered and mutilated. More generally, any left-wing political leader or organiser who gained any kind of prominence in El Salvador in the years 1980-83 was liable to be murdered. Between October 1979 and March 1982, killings of ordinary citizens occurred at the average rate of over 800 per month, on conservative estimates.

    To put this level of violence in perspective, Edward Herman and Frank Brodhead converted the figures to a country with the population size of the United States. Doing so, they report, “allows us to imagine an election in the United States preceded by the murder of a thousand-odd officials of the Democratic Party; 5,000 labour leaders; 1,200 journalists; and a million ordinary citizens. Internal and external refugee numbers in El Salvador would correspond to a US equivalent of over 30 million refugees”. (Herman and Brodhead, Demonstration Elections, South End Press, 1984, p.124)

    Between 1980 and 1983, Amnesty International “received regular, often daily, reports identifying El Salvador’s regular security and military units as responsible for the torture, ‘disappearance’ and killing of noncombatant civilians from all sectors of society”. Moreover, “the vast majority of the victims” were “characterised by their association or alleged association with peasant, labour or religious organisations, with human rights monitoring groups, with the trade union movement, with refugee or relief organisations, or with political parties”. (Quoted, Mark Curtis, The Ambiguities of Power, Zed Books, 1995, p.161)

    This was at a time when the US was directing vast amounts of military aid into the country.” ……. http://medialens.org/index.php/alerts/alert-archive/2007/493-patriotism-as-propaganda-part-2.html

    On Americas past and present murderous form Muslims should be worried …… its a killing machine and they do it mainly for money/oil/exploitation.