Police censoring research

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1. Patrick 1

   25 November 2015 at 1:44 pm

   Jarrod is apparently only asking for non-identifiable data.
   If this is not routinely published by the Police but collected by them then surely it is open to OIA requests.
   A request for information such as this isn’t “research” per se but….. a request for information.
   Surely the Police can’t deny requests because of who is making the requests and how they “think” it might be used.
   The whole purpose of the OIA is to make information available, even if that information doesn’t make organisations look good.
   How the requestor uses that information is up to them and they will be judged by the nature, quality and veracity of how it is employed.
   The Police prove time and again that they are expert manipulators of information: at times they freely reveal details of crimes when it suits them but are very tight lipped at other times (and not always for appropriate legal reasons).
   Now, it appears, they apply this selective approach more widely.
   Waiting for Greg O’Connor to surface with some inane defense.
   • weka 1.1

     25 November 2015 at 2:25 pm

     +1. The thing that stands out for me is why the NZ Police act differently from other branches of the government. But then we know that other departments hold information that isn’t available via OIA and you have to pay to access it eg LINZ.
     • One Anonymous Bloke 1.1.1

       29 November 2015 at 4:20 pm

       If NZ Police act differently from other branches of government, I should bloody well hope so, in that democracy is best served when they are entirely independent of government.

       I expect the courts to keep them within the law. Fingers crossed 😉
2. RedBaronCV 2

   25 November 2015 at 1:57 pm

   Just who do the police think pay their wages, we the taxpayer. They work for us.
   We have a vested interest in open discussion of how they are doing.
   • weka 2.1

     25 November 2015 at 2:26 pm

     Looks like they work for John Key.
3. JonL 3

   25 November 2015 at 2:03 pm

   Well, that’s it! I’m not ever going to co-operate with the Police again!

   They associate with criminals!
   • marty mars 3.1

     25 November 2015 at 3:57 pm

     lol that’s very good
     • weka 3.1.1

       25 November 2015 at 4:08 pm

       +2
4. Sabine 4

   25 November 2015 at 2:11 pm

   ahhh, can we say “Banana Republic” or is that premature?

   And are we all feeling ‘served and protectred’ and to we feel like we have ‘safer neighbourhoods’ and such?

   And how much taxpayers money did the police pay out again to people whom were aggrieved by the Police? Oh yeah, they would not care, its not their money.
   • Draco T Bastard 4.1

     25 November 2015 at 2:20 pm

     ahhh, can we say “Banana Republic” or is that premature?

     That pretty much became true when National got voted in.
5. Draco T Bastard 5

   25 November 2015 at 2:25 pm

   Simple fact of the matter is that no government department should be able to refuse academic research.
   • Sacha 5.1

     25 November 2015 at 5:44 pm

     Police refusal to release official information is illegal. They cannot contract out of those obligations. http://pundit.co.nz/content/my-2-cents-on-the-jarrod-gilbert-affair
6. savenz 6

   25 November 2015 at 3:00 pm

   Unbelievable.
7. Sky 7

   25 November 2015 at 3:19 pm

   Someone should interview academics (and church ministers) about what they have experienced in their investigations into the fishing industry. About time the Police were subject to a little ethnographic research. Jarrod?
8. vto 8

   25 November 2015 at 7:44 pm

   1930s Germany

   Not just in the USA
9. miravox 9

   25 November 2015 at 8:36 pm

   So there is an agreement that must be signed to ensure Police come out clean in any research based on police data and police will ‘blacklist’ researchers who don’t sign the contract or portray the police in a negative light.

   The Police Minister won’t comment because it’s and “operational matter”

   It seems a bit more like citizens rights, academic freedom and abuse of power matters to me. Things the Police Minister should be very vocal about.
10. AmaKiwi 10

    25 November 2015 at 8:54 pm

    Wow! The police are really scared!

    I remember a Minister of Police (Richard Prebble) boasting that our police had a superior rate for solving crimes BECAUSE the NZ public co-operated with them so enthusiastically.

    It’s a descending spiral. The police act autocratically. The public cooperates less. The police are endangered because they are no longer trusted. It’s lose – lose – lose.

    This cycle needs to be stopped ASAP.
11. whateva next? 11

    25 November 2015 at 9:02 pm

    “McCarthyism is the practice of making accusations of subversion or treason without proper regard for evidence. It also means “the practice of making unfair allegations or using unfair investigative techniques, especially in order to restrict dissent or political criticism.”
12. Incognito 12

    25 November 2015 at 9:58 pm

    Why are we surprised? Under this Government transparency, accountability, and highest standards are just empty words that are aimed to lull us into a false sense of confidence and trust.

    As long as the Government controls the data and information – does OIA ring a bell? – it controls the (political) narrative and framing of what is going on in our country.

    It goes well beyond complacency because this Government actively and deliberately creates and cultures an environment of secrecy and obfuscation – does TPPA ring a bell?

    In this environment DP thrives! And what’s it all about? Power!

    Fortunately, it appears that some folks working for the MSM seem to have had a change of mind regarding the ‘memo’.

    Personally, I fear this Government much more than being blown up by a suicide bomber …
    • North 12.1

      29 November 2015 at 5:28 am

      Excellently put Incognito.

      Moreover, as if Power were not enough, it is also about an Immature Peacock, Celebrity, Strutting, Display…….and fashioning Gauche and Illiterate as the New Black.

      Oh silly me……have I forgotten the primary belief of Muddle Nu Zilind ? That obscene wealth quantitative or qualitative or both, expunges without trace patent character defect.

      Standards ? Pfft ! Disastrously there are none anymore. The fish rots from the head.
13. Vaughan Little 13

    26 November 2015 at 3:33 am

    dark and dirty. policing means nothing without integrity.
14. Daniel Cale 14

    27 November 2015 at 4:00 am

    I’m confused. I had reason to request my police file, and received the entire file, including notes on an offence I committed 4 years ago but for which I was not charged. It even had information about a crime I was a witness to and testified in court. The only reason I could envisage the police would be justified in withholding material to the individual concerned is if it revealed the identity of persons under protection. Otherwise how do we correct material that could be false?
    • One Anonymous Bloke 14.1

      27 November 2015 at 5:47 am

      The charming naivety of the authoritarian follower.
      • North 14.1.1

        29 November 2015 at 6:26 am

        You characterise Daniel Cale well OAB.

        Reminds me of when my niece, partner and baby were quite callously used and abused by an employer armed with the 90 day law. An employer whom we later discovered had practised form in the artifice licensed him by said law. All the more repulsive in that it involved accommodation as it had previous victims.

        “But that’s just not right…..it’s unfair……those poor kids….. !”
        cried several Key fans within the family, distressed.

        “Hello……what have I been telling you about your idol ?”

        As the family member judged best able to “do something about it……” I was gratuitously saddled with that responsibility. By the very enablers of the evil complained of for God’s Sake. How the hell is that ?

        Pissed off initially I had ultimately to be satisfied with a wry smile. In the face of cognitive dissonance induced by membership of cargo-cult and money lust “Told ya so !” ain’t that intelligible.

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