Rashbrooke on poverty in NZ and UK

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1. ropata 1

   9 July 2015 at 9:12 am

   the moral core of a society is exposed by its weakest members
2. Olwyn 2

   9 July 2015 at 10:15 am

   This quote from the article you link to about changes to the measuring of child poverty says a lot: The government is to scrap its child poverty target and replace it with a new duty to report levels of educational attainment, worklessness and addiction, rather than relative material disadvantage, work and pensions…

   If parties of the left continue to separate child poverty from the imposed conditions that produce it, the result is far more likely to be another stolen generation than a reduction of material inequality. Our membership of what Key calls “the club” seems to be conditional on imposing ever increasing sanctions on those who are not in the position to fight back – cutting benefits, selling state houses, placing no obligations on anyone to employ people or to pay them living wages. That is not going to change because attention is drawn to child poverty – governments are far more likely to find a way of incorporating it into the approved formula, just as the British Tories are doing.

   Small changes like school meals will certainly help, but it really is time for the club’s rules to be challenged. For starters, any Labour Party that will countenance the ongoing vilification of the poor is unworthy of its name, and unworthy of those whose struggles brought the party into existence in the first place.
   • greywarshark 2.1

     9 July 2015 at 10:57 am

     I wonder if the new health targets and policies that are likely to flow from not wanting to face social problems squarely, will just measure and observe. Annual figures of the numbers of measles, tuberculosis, scabies, rheumatoid disease, stillbirths, deaths in different categories, amputations, gangrene, domestic violence, murders, suicides, road deaths, violence in categories from children to adults etc.

     Just watch the figures and how they compare to others in the OECD. It’s moving the markers on the league tables that are important, the figures representing people’s avoidable suffering doesn’t enter the consciousness of zombie politicians.
3. Ergo Robertina 3

   9 July 2015 at 10:39 am

   Rashbrooke’s piece is misleading. It implies the Nats have significantly addressed child poverty, and that is simply false. Boston’s comments are de-emphasised.
   Anyone reading it without context would receive a false impression.
   He talks of the ”crusading journalist of primetime”, but doesn’t mention Campbell’s programme was axed.
   I noticed the piece was getting a bit of a hammering in comments last night (haven’t looked today).
   It was published just before Osborne’s living wage announcement, and the article itself notes support from the likes of Boris Johnson for the living wage movement. Max is wrong to suggest NZ necessarily provides the more fertile ground for poverty campaigning. But certainly its small size and isolation engenders cooperation, and in that respect groups like CPAG have done a tremendous job.
   • Ergo Robertina 3.1

     9 July 2015 at 11:13 am

     A more honest angle for the piece would have been that the campaign forced the Nats into the appearance of addressing the problem. Campbell’s axing would then have been relevant.
     Instead the article lets the reader infer that the British tories are an altogether nastier lot than their NZ counterparts.
4. Lanthanide 4

   9 July 2015 at 10:42 am

   “The fact that we have no official measurement of poverty and no target for reducing it is a disgrace.”

   Their defense of not having a measure is completely bizarre and illogical, too.

   Supposedly, if you start measuring poverty in one way, it means you somehow start focussing on just that single measure, and don’t look at other ways poverty could impact people. They prefer not to have any measure, so that way they can focus on multiple causes of poverty and tackle them all at once. Of course it’s all just a smoke-screen for not doing anything and not having any measure to hold them to account.
5. greywarshark 5

   9 July 2015 at 10:48 am

   Just a quick comment on recent UK news. Osbourne supposed to have been part of a family sale of property for 6M pounds to someone in a tax haven. Avoiding some million pounds of tax. And he’s the Chancellor of Brit. Something to do with housing? Not sure.

   Today he has upped the minimum wage from 8 to 9 pounds an hour. And upping the income tax threshold I think. Also trying to apply some budgetary and population wisdom by not paying family benefit after the second child. It seems intelligent and forward thinking. Apparently he is aiming to beat Boris Johnson who has a populist following.
   • dukeofurl 5.1

     9 July 2015 at 12:06 pm

     Minimum wage is currently 6.5 pound per hour. And 7.2 pounds next April

     I wouldnt even bother with the ‘future rises’ as thats Crosby Textor spin. And obviously its worked as you have swallowed it hook line sinker !

     And the other side :But despite being given the sweetener of a cut in corporation tax from 20% to 18% by 2020″
6. fisiani 6

   9 July 2015 at 12:14 pm

   National have announced benefit rises way beyond inflation. Far more practical than anything that Labour did for the poor during the nine wasted years when they actually had the money to make a difference.
   National are assisting people to get off welfare and into work every day of the week thus raising their incomes.
   The economy is growing at about 3% and the poor deserve their share. They should not be permanently trapped on a benefit and treated as mere voting fodder by the Left.
   Record numbers of poor children are getting early childhood education and being immunised. Houses are being insulated. Even today it was announced that landlords will have to insulate and fit smoke alarms.
   National is not forming a committee or writing another paper, they are actually tackling poverty not just pontificating about it. Being practical.
   • Anno1701 6.1

     9 July 2015 at 12:33 pm

     “The economy is growing at about 3% and the poor deserve their share”

     I doubt your sincerity …..
     • McFlock 6.1.1

       9 July 2015 at 1:04 pm

       it’s fascinating how fizzbang mixes mediocre facts in to support the big lie, though.

       Anyone would think that there are fewer poor than when Labour left power, rather than the numbers of poor people or the numbers of people in hardship barely approaching the levels that Labour reduced it to. Indeed, the proportion of dependent children aged 0–17 years living below the 50% of median income poverty threshold (after housing costs) is at 20% when Labour had it down to 16%.
       But then the nats claim “GFC”, although the banks sure don’t seem to still be hurting from it as much as real people are.
       • Anno1701 6.1.1.1

         9 July 2015 at 1:58 pm

         “it’s fascinating how fizzbang mixes mediocre facts in to support the big lie, though”

         its a master class in the art of skewed perspectives
   • dukeofurl 6.2

     9 July 2015 at 12:52 pm

     They had jobs during the ‘wasted years’ and the debt was paid off- like you would for a rainy day – all so borrower Bill can wrack up another $8 bill of borrowing this year
7. Simple Simon 7

   9 July 2015 at 12:23 pm

   Brian Bruce is well worth following ( http://bryanbruce.co.nz/news ) with his very insightful views on poverty, his research is outstanding.
   A very good man he is, as is John Campbell.
   TV3 should hang their head in shame over the way he was treated.
8. b waghorn 8

   9 July 2015 at 1:20 pm

   “The government knows that it spends NZ$6bn-8bn [a year] on poverty-related problems such as health needs, remedial education, justice and other social issues, yet it is reluctant to spend a fraction of that amount to fix the problem at source,” said Morris-Travers ahead of May’s budget.”
   This is the bit that has to be sold to the public .

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