Seymour on Nat properties and policy

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The annual MP’s register of pecuniary interests is out. What a lot of property they own – MPs’ latest home ownership, interests revealed

Just 10 MPs do not own a home, while some MPs own more than 10, according to the latest interests register.

Some of the biggest property-owning MPs include National Cabinet Minister and Selwyn MP Amy Adams, who declared eight properties including farm land, commercial property, an apartment and two residential properties.

National and Otaki MP Nathan Guy declared farm land, a family home, two rental properties and Thorndon house. He also has interests in 13 commercial properties.

Mt Roskill-based National list MP Parmjeet Parmar has declared seven properties including four residential rental properties, a family home, and commercial property.

For details see – New Zealand’s MPs have interests in 350 properties between them – three each (2.5 if you cut out Maori land blocks); National MPs register the largest investment holdings

Perhaps David Seymour gets something right for once – English will be so pleased –

Right winger in comments “Politics of envy!” “Splits in the coalition!” #IfItWasLabour

update – more here

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  1. marty mars 1
    10 May 2017 at 10:21 am

    Pat on the back there David Seymour – that one truthful statement might be your legacy – a good one too and much much better than the current legacy you have politically.

    • weka 1.1
      10 May 2017 at 11:04 am

      Yeah, nah. I haven’t listened to the audio that that quote is from, but I’d be hard pressed to believe that Seymour has genuine concerns for the people worst hit by the housing crisis or that he has any useful solutions. Happy to be proved wrong, but on the face of it, this is him politicking.

      I’ll be more interested to hear what Shaw has to say.

      • weka 1.1.1
        10 May 2017 at 11:15 am

        Seymour is talking market solutions. Shaw says CGT, build more houses, and restrictions on non-residents buying property. They’re also focussing on home ownership, nothing about renting or homeless people.

        • Chris 1.1.1.1
          10 May 2017 at 12:38 pm

          If Seymour was genuine he’d say that his situation was fine because it simply reflected what the market was doing. Being pissed off about his personal situation must surely make him question his political views. It won’t, of course, because right wingers are either stupid or liars.

      • marty mars 1.1.2
        10 May 2017 at 11:17 am

        Interesting take on it.

        If Shaw says the same thing you’ll believe him?

        Wouldn’t they both be moaning because they can’t get into the racket.

        I haven’t listened either but the article linked at the end implies both of them were in the same page.

        Edit. Just saw your last comment. That is good that there is some differentiation between them.

        • weka 1.1.2.1
          10 May 2017 at 11:32 am

          Shaw didn’t sounds like he was moaning. He was asked why he doesn’t own a house and he simply explained that he lived most of his career in London where no-one buys a house and that he put his excess income into a business. He’s now saving to buy house and is aware that the electorate he lives in and wants to represent in parliament has properties close the the $1m mark. He then talks for the rest of the interview about how to solve the housing crisis. And yes, I believe that Shaw does care about renters and homeless people which is why he is in the Greens and not ACT or National.

          Seymour on the other hand, I would assume would be quite happy to be buying and owning investment properties if he could and making excess money from them. Like Shaw he just didn’t get in at the right time and place. But for him the solutions are market ones designed to enhance property investment, because that’s where his values lie.

          • marty mars 1.1.2.1.1
            10 May 2017 at 11:44 am

            Sure.

            The real benefit of Seymour saying what is quoted is that it heavily implied deliberateness without expressly saying it. E.g. ‘you’d almost suspect’

            I don’t know what the optimium capacity for multiple house ownership is – easy enough to see the investment side if people are honest which sadly a lot arent.

      • Wainwright 1.1.3
        10 May 2017 at 2:39 pm

        Here here. Stop giving Seymour credit for blatant self-promotion. Act’s desperately trying to market him as a hip young thing who undersands the problems young people face, he’ll still turn around and rubber-stamp every tax break for speculators and enabling legislation for slumlords the Nats tell him too.

  2. michelle 2
    10 May 2017 at 10:24 am

    agree Marty mars but isn’t he biting the hand that feeds him his comment might backfire on him

    • Draco T Bastard 2.1
      10 May 2017 at 11:00 am

      National were hoping to get 2 or more seats by supporting ACT into parliament. They didn’t get that and ACT’s support had dropped since so I doubt that National would be supporting ACT into parliament again.

      Seymore and ACT probably understand that and so they’ll be looking for ways to boost their support so that they could win even without National giving them the seat. Doubt if it’s going to work going this way about it though. The people who usually support ACT actually are the property owning class that prefer not to pay taxes.

      • Pete 2.1.1
        10 May 2017 at 11:59 am

        Seymour will win Epsom.

        • Draco T Bastard 2.1.1.1
          10 May 2017 at 1:25 pm

          Only if National let him and as they’re not going to get more than one seat from it either way they probably won’t let him.

          • Hooch 2.1.1.1.1
            10 May 2017 at 2:02 pm

            Yeah but ACT is useful as a front for introducing policy the electorate might not like and the nats can just say it wasn’t their idea.

          • mikesh 2.1.1.1.2
            10 May 2017 at 2:50 pm

            They will let him win Epsom because it provides them with an extra support seat in Parliament, over and above what their party vote allows them.

  3. tc 3
    10 May 2017 at 10:25 am

    Mock concern from nationals ACT division for election purposes. A smart opposition can use this as a ‘coalition disharmony ‘ theme as thats biting the hand that feeds epsom to act every election.

    Anybody got seymours voting patterns on nacts flogging of assets, state houses, punitive welfare measures etc. Play that card on the run in to highlight the hypocrisy for what it is, a cynical election ploy.

  4. Enough is Enough 4
    10 May 2017 at 10:32 am

    That is why the Housing Crisis is not damaging the government as much as it should be.

    The solutions that haven’t worked have seen a lot of people see their houses double in value in the past 5 years. They feel richer as result of this. For them the Housing Crisis has been a financial windfall.

    • marty mars 4.1
      10 May 2017 at 10:43 am

      + 1 so true – the dirty secret most convienently chose to forget.

      • saveNZ 4.1.1
        10 May 2017 at 2:51 pm

        So the take home from that is to change the government, banging on about housing which many people are very dependant on financially or an industry their job is dependant on, might be the difference for keeping or changing the government.

        65% own houses. It’s a large voter group. Maori own land.

        Natz friends and MSM love to go on about housing and stir up the opposition, knowing that underneath it all they are actually subtly supporting the Natz as the ‘land owning’ party.

        What is clear, is that if Natz get another term they will accelerate all our current problems and make housing a lot worse.

        • marty mars 4.1.1.1
          10 May 2017 at 5:42 pm

          no – the reason that the housing crisis is deepening is because the people that could fix it don’t because they are too entangled in the profit derived from the housing crisis not being fixed.

          as EisE said – THIS is why the housing crisis is not drawing blood as expected.

  5. BM 5
    10 May 2017 at 10:32 am

    Seymour knows NZ First is going to be Nationals coalition partner, time has run out for Act.

  6. marty mars 6
    10 May 2017 at 10:41 am

    This deliberate strategy reminds me of key making money off the pain and suffering of kiwis in his trading days.

    Next they bleat about immigrants fucking up the housing markets – look here fools even this dude can see the truth. The housing crisis is self inflicted by the greedy and selfish – cowards who then blame other groups to hide their guilt and shame and profits!!!

  7. weka 7
    10 May 2017 at 11:17 am

    I find the whole MPs are property speculators therefore that’s why they won’t solve the housing crisis to be a red herring. We can compared the Greens housing policies and Nationals if we want to see what’s on the table. If we were to say that National MPs owning investment properties stops them from sorting out the housing crisis, I’d say it’s a contributor not a direct causation. The cause is the philosophy and world view and politics of the National Party that values money over people.

  8. saveNZ 8
    10 May 2017 at 11:23 am

    Maybe a diversion onto property to stop people looking more deeply into companies like Oradiva water who has directors like Mark Mitchell and Jenny Shipley.

    Mitchell was named as using Slater as a way to get the Natz safe seat after retiring from being a mercenary in the middle east.

    Shipley we all know ‘turn’s cold’ with middle class welfare so is keen to replace it with corporate welfare for the .01%. She was a director on the bankrupt Mainzeal in the middle of a construction boom. That’s how good her business acumen is.

    Taking and polluting water and natural resources that can not be replaced, is more of a crime because it can not be remedied and all the diversion on property and taxes helps the right not the left.

  9. Keith 9
    10 May 2017 at 11:36 am

    The “measures” National put in place to do something about housing were only ever done for appearances just to keep everything just the way it was. They ensured the status quo with loopholes you could drive a bus through.

    Which raises the question, why vote National? If you do you accept limping along as a country running increasingly on lies is the best we can do.

  10. saveNZ 10
    10 May 2017 at 1:11 pm

    What David’s not worried about….

    Log it, mine it, burn it
    http://thedailyblog.co.nz/2017/05/10/log-it-mine-it-burn-it/

    Or buying up farms with money for schools…

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charter_schools_in_New_Zealand

    “One of the first charters school started in New Zealand was in serious trouble within two weeks of starting, a secret Government report stated. The school in Whangaruru had about 20% of its students missing shortly after opening. There was strong disagreement between the two related business managers who ran the school. The school does not have a principal. The school, which receives 500% more funding than a state school, spent half its income buying a farm. The Ministry of Education carried out a secret inquiry and immediately installed its own manager. One of the two original managers left hurriedly. Problems first arose in 2013 when it was claimed that the school had been set up in a paddock using portaloos for toilets. It was reported that drugs were a problem in the school and some students had been removed to an unknown place. The school has only one teacher with a current practicing certificate. The original management has now been replaced by an executive manager from Child, Youth and Family. The school receives $27,000 per student compared to $6,000 per student in a state school.[12][13] However Ministry of Education figures have shown the above funding to be inaccurate.[14][clarification needed]”

    https://saveourschoolsnz.com/2014/09/01/charter-school-fraud-and-mismanagement/

  11. Greg 11
    10 May 2017 at 2:43 pm

    Well said David seymore he’s right on this one

    • tc 11.1
      10 May 2017 at 2:50 pm

      Hes far right all the time and goneburgers come September as national will take epsom back.

  12. Michael who failed Civics 12
    10 May 2017 at 11:14 pm

    Good to see so many of the comrades in Labour and the Greens getting ahead and putting their riches into trusts. No problems with any conflicts of interest there.