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1. Bryan Spondre 1

   15 July 2008 at 6:41 am

   Hmmm, I wonder how many Australian taxpayers were maimed during the development and production of this game ? The Green Party has managed to get similar enviro-propaganda into our schools in the form of special re-education classes that are misleading children as young as 6.
2. T-rex 2

   15 July 2008 at 7:54 am

   Oh, probably thousands Bryan, maybe tens of thousands. Oh the humanity!

   I don’t like the game though. Not least of all because it’s stupid – apparently my net emissions are negative and i’ll live forever because I invested a whole bunch of money in wind and solar. Riiiight.

   Somehow this cancels out the 50,000km of air travel, which was somehow worse because it was for work than if it had been personal. wtf?

   Anyway, it doesn’t do a very good job of getting across the “here’s what you can do to improve things” message.

   —

   Misleading children are they Bryan? Oh I’d just love to hear how. Not evil propaganda like “composting and recycling waste is good”, “clean air and water are good”, “Industry has a responsibility to the environment”, “oil is a scarce resource”, “climate change is a global issue”, “The polar ice is melting” etc?
3. Bryan Spondre 3

   15 July 2008 at 8:13 am

   T-Rex: The irony is that when my wife and I had our last parent teacher interview with our 7 year old sons gifted education programme teacher she told us that his entire GEP class were in favour of genetic engineering after doing a class research project on the topic. Apparently some of the other (no doubt left leaning) teachers were horrified about this. It is a lesson for us all, kids really are smarter than we think and can see through the spin they are fed:-)
4. higherstandard 4

   15 July 2008 at 8:39 am

   T-REX

   You did better than me I was coming out remarkably green until I said I actually spent some money on living and immediately ballooned and exploded – c’est la vie.

   I suspect most kids who play this would be trying hard to explode anyway – nothing like an exploding pig for youngsters to chortle at.
5. T-rex 5

   15 July 2008 at 8:51 am

   Cool – so what’s the propaganda you’re worried about then? Sounds like he’s getting a fairly balanced perspective on things.

   HS – I’m sure I’ll be exploding when I’m older – I’m still at the stage of trying to build up an asset base so living costs aren’t too high 🙂 Hopefully we’ll have acheived technological deliverance by then.
6. Stephen 6

   15 July 2008 at 8:58 am

   Bryan, why do those eco-freaks want to repair the hole in the ozone layer anyway? Do they hate freedom THAT MUCH?!
7. higherstandard 7

   15 July 2008 at 9:02 am

   T-Rex

   Indeed, I think sometimes we are too ready to cry doom and gloom and forget that their are some very clever people in the R&D sectors all over the world.

   I fully expect that there will be technology (new fuels and carriers) that none of us expect available to get us from A to B within a few decades.
8. Bryan Spondre 8

   15 July 2008 at 9:20 am

   “I think sometimes we are too ready to cry doom and gloom and forget that their are some very clever people in the R&D sectors all over the world.”

   Yep, depressing economic activity & therefore resources to fund R&D with carbon taxes and other restrictions is counter-productive. If we head down this track in NZ all we will be doing is giving our bright young kids another reason to bugger off to countries with a more rational approach.
9. Stephen 9

   15 July 2008 at 9:21 am

   Can depend on what one does with the carbon taxes…lower income tax?
10. Bryan Spondre 10

    15 July 2008 at 9:35 am

    Stephen “Can depend on what one does with the carbon taxes lower income tax?”

    That is possible but the Labour Government hasn’t demonstrated a liking for giving money back (except as Welfare For Other Peoples Families) but seems to prefer to spend it on essentials like $11 million websites and socialist re-education camps, sorry I mean train factories in Trevor Mallards electorate.

    ( Yes,yes T-Rex I am regurgitating Crosby Textor focus group tested dog whistles!!!!)
11. randal 11

    15 July 2008 at 10:04 am

    the pig is dead…long live the pig
12. Brett Dale 12

    15 July 2008 at 10:06 am

    Oh my, the greens stoop to another low, maybe one day they will use real science.
13. Stephen 13

    15 July 2008 at 10:44 am

    …not that we’re going to have a carbon tax, it’ll be a carbon market. But those commies in oz might designate 50% of ETS revenue going to low-income households as compensation for higher energy bills, 30% to help trade-exposed and disadvantaged industries adapt, and 20% on research…

    I really do await Green tax policy on all this…
14. Lew 14

    15 July 2008 at 10:49 am

    Brett Dale: The professional opinion of the majority of the world’s climate scientists (who disagree with your ideologically-based, non-scientific opinion) isn’t `real science’ while that of the tiny minority (who agree with said opinion) is, huh?

    In other news from Brettdalesville this morning, big is small, up is down, cheap is expensive and water flows uphill.

    L
15. Stephen 15

    15 July 2008 at 10:56 am

    The topic of this article wasn’t even the Greens…they had nothing to do with this. The tag is ‘pig issues’ guys so focus!

    I thought Brett was taking the piss…
16. Lew 16

    15 July 2008 at 11:08 am

    Stephen: Naturally `the greens’ doesn’t just refer to the party, but to all the ideological environmentalist extremists who want to return us all to the dark ages, and who are clearly behind this scheme to sabotage the economy!

    the fact that this is an Australian thing has nothing to do with anything, of course…

    L
17. Stephen 17

    15 July 2008 at 11:18 am

    It *does* get a bit ridiculous e.g. it’s the Green party’s fault that Bush is pushing biofuel subsidies/’greens’ climbed up a coal plant tower/pulled out GE crops/whatever.
18. Robinsod 18

    15 July 2008 at 11:22 am

    Did someone say “pig issue”…?
19. T-rex 19

    15 July 2008 at 11:38 am

    I think you’ll have trouble finding an informed environmentalist who supports any present generation biofuels Stephen. Biofuels are being pushed because they work in existing I/C engines, which mean car companies can keep selling existing cars and oil companies can sell existing oil while promising there’s a compatible solution just around the corner.

    Electric vehicles would be taking off faster if it wasn’t for biofuels. Which is what the Greens who know what they’re talking about are pushing for.

    I’ve got not problem with people climbing a coal plant tower to protest.

    Pulling out crops is just retarded. Not quite as bad as the people who break into animal testing labs and release the animals, but still pretty retarded.

    Don’t tar us all with the actions of extremists. There’s no shortage of those on the right, and I’m sure you wouldn’t want to be associated with them.
20. Felix 20

    15 July 2008 at 11:40 am

    We need to get to the bottom of this.

    It’s about time the Greens come out and said they definitely haven’t been blowing up pigs.

    How’s that ‘sod?
21. Stephen 21

    15 July 2008 at 11:43 am

    No shortage of green-extremists either…

    There was a ridiculously high number of posts on transition transport fuels that use methane/natural gas about half way down here

    http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/07/10/we-trust-in-the-science/
22. Robinsod 22

    15 July 2008 at 11:44 am

    So far they haven’t denied it Felix – I wonder what their crazy vegan supporters will be thinking…
23. Matthew Pilott 23

    15 July 2008 at 12:38 pm

    Bryan, even CT wouldn’t be so stupid as to use the line “Welfare For Other Peoples Families”. Tell you what, test it on your sprog. Ask said 7 year old if it’s “someone else’s money” if you pay tax, and get your own tax back.

    Wait, I get it! Bryan’s finally converted, and he thinks your tax isn’t your money any more, it’s the government’s (y’know, state enabling it and all that). That’s why getting your own money back via WfF is, according to Bryan, Welfare For Other Peoples Families. Thank god, he won’t be Hickey’s pimp any more!

    I’m not even going to start on the line that internalising the costs of production is stifling creativity. Bryan wants us to subsidise polluters in the vain hope that they’ll magically make the Evil Karbon go away. Talk about naive.
24. Better Dead Than Red 24

    15 July 2008 at 1:43 pm

    As soon as any group starts the indoctrination of children you know two things for sure-

    1) They have no rational argument and,

    2) They’re up to no good

    Its how Hitler became a totalitarian.
25. Robinsod 25

    15 July 2008 at 1:47 pm

    What about people with the mind of a child? Like Bryan?
26. Steve Pierson 26

    15 July 2008 at 2:13 pm

    Now, now Robinsod. Bryan may make childish arguments, it doesn’t mean he himself has the mind of a child – it’s fine to call his arguemnts childish, calling him childish is too personal.
27. Pascal's bookie 27

    15 July 2008 at 2:14 pm

    As soon as any group starts the indoctrination of children you know two things for sure-

    1) They have no rational argument and,

    2) They’re up to no good

    Its how Hitler became a totalitarian.

    Yet more Anti-Christian Bigotry.
28. Bryan Spondre 28

    15 July 2008 at 2:38 pm

    Matthew: “Bryan, even CT wouldn’t be so stupid as to use the line “Welfare For Other Peoples Families’. Tell you what, test it on your sprog. Ask said 7 year old if it’s “someone else’s money’ if you pay tax, and get your own tax back.”

    Yes Matthew there are families on the average income who are receiving as much back in WFF (or WFOPF) tax credits, accommodation supplements etc as they are paying in income tax. They are also benefiting from all the other resources that taxes provide schools, roads etc. These families are clearly getting money from families that pay tax but don’t get any benefits or income transfers.

    Even if the families receiving WFF get less in WFF payments than they pay in tax they are still getting money from other peoples families.

    Yes, I’m sure my 7 year old wouldn’t understand why he has to go without so that other peoples families can get a free ride.
29. Bryan Spondre 29

    15 July 2008 at 2:41 pm

    Robinsod:”What about people with the mind of a child? Like Bryan?”

    As I said before DR haven’t you got an exam to study for ?
30. Robinsod 30

    15 July 2008 at 2:45 pm

    Yes Bryan – and as I’ve said before Bryan, last time I was at university I marked the papers – I didn’t sit them. So far you’re not even scraping a D.
31. Stephen 31

    15 July 2008 at 2:50 pm

    “Yet more Anti-Christian Bigotry.”

    LOL

    I too am sick of being on the receiving end of godless commie smears.
32. T-rex 32

    15 July 2008 at 2:57 pm

    Probably not if you explained it to him Bryan, no, so thank god he goes to school where he actually gets a slightly less warped perspective on the world.

    Out of interest, what did he last go without? Healthcare? Food? Shelter? Clothing? Or are you meaning “go without” as in “I can’t afford to upgrade the 42″ plasma screen TV for his Xbox360 to a 42″ plasma so he’s having to go without”. And all so those little basta*ds down the street can have food. What has our world come to!
33. Robinsod 33

    15 July 2008 at 3:03 pm

    T – I’d imagine if Bryan is paid an even vaguely meritocratic rate then he probably does seriously go without.
34. Pascal's bookie 34

    15 July 2008 at 3:16 pm

    ” last time I was at university I marked the papers… So far you’re not even scraping a D.”

    Dude; He gets an Epic Fail on the Turing Test.
35. Bryan Spondre 35

    15 July 2008 at 3:19 pm

    Robinsod: “Yes Bryan – and as I’ve said before Bryan, last time I was at university I marked the papers – I didn’t sit them.”

    I’m glad to hear DR that you are no longer sponging off the taxpayer as an academic.

    T-Rex: “I can’t afford to upgrade the 42″ plasma screen TV for his Xbox360 to a 42″ plasma so he’s having to go without’.

    And that pretty much sums up the problem with the lefts thinking: “Lets punish people for working hard and being successful by taking their money away from them and giving it to people who haven’t worked for it so we (the socialists) can feel noble and self-righteous”.
36. Tane 36

    15 July 2008 at 3:23 pm

    Bryan, nice attempt at explaining socialism, but once again you’ve scored a D in POLS 101.

    You have been assigned further reading, starting here:

    http://www.anu.edu.au/polsci/marx/classics/manifesto.html
37. Bryan Spondre 37

    15 July 2008 at 3:26 pm

    Robinsod: “T – I’d imagine if Bryan is paid an even vaguely meritocratic rate then he probably does seriously go without.”

    Showed this comment to Bernard,Dylan, he was very impressed with your rapier like wit, and also glad you haven’t accepted my invitation to comment on his blog 🙂
38. Bryan Spondre 38

    15 July 2008 at 3:28 pm

    Tane: “You have been assigned further reading, starting here:

    http://www.anu.edu.au/polsci/marx/classics/manifesto.html”

    Thjanks for your kind thoughts but I would rather study something more relevant to modern life, like ‘steam locomotive construction’ or ‘cloth cap wearing’.

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