Sun and Breitbart falling

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1. lprent 1

   14 June 2017 at 7:36 am

   Problem with the brietbart figures (apart from alexas notorious unreliability) is that it would have had a massive bounce in November due to the election.

   A better view would have been to compare it with figures in the same months in previous years – ignoring elections.
   • RJL 1.1

     14 June 2017 at 10:59 am

     Also, a lot of these right-wing tabloids become very boring when their guy is in power.

     Unclear if that is true with Brietbart, but in NZ DPF *was* worthwhile reading when Labour was in power. Not because I usually agreed with him, but occasionally he had semi-legitimate points, and it was a place for people to vent against the prevailing government; which is always interesting.

     However, since National has been in power DPF has become very sycophantic, trivial, and very “holiday picture” obsessed. So not worth bothering with reading. Reading what is “great” about the government is boring.
2. Sanctuary 2

   14 June 2017 at 7:55 am

   My view is it is all part of the evolution of the internet. Between about 1460-1500 Europe’s new printers produced about nine million new books, an explosion of information that created a ferment directly comparable to the explosion of information caused by the age of the internet, which I would date as roughly beginning with Windows 95 and the explosion of the home PC with a GUI OS and an inbuilt browser.

   The six decades after the invention of moveable type printing in Europe saw a subversive intellectual explosion, with the bible being printed in vernacular, the Renaissance flourishing, the Protestant reformation, and the first military victories primarily due to firearms (not even mentioning the Reconquista, the discovery of the New World and the Columbian exchange!).

   I think the first five – six decades of the internet age will be marked by similar realignments, the rise and fall of “alt-news” as people move away from, then back to, trusted news sources being part of that.
   • lprent 2.1

     14 June 2017 at 8:19 am

     Pretty much how I see and have seen it over the last 40 years online as well. And not just in the posts, but also in the comments.

     If you have a look at new systems like Moderator at the New York Times – starting up today – you see the future in commenting.

     The Times Sharply Increases Articles Open for Comments, Using Google’s Technology https://nyti.ms/2siF90M

     That kind of system is going to get more common.
     • adam 2.1.1

       14 June 2017 at 8:35 am

       Won’t people just do a work around of these moderation bots?

       For example, change their language, or their sentence structure to get around this automated moderation? Actually, probably somthing more clever than my suggestion.

       As we have a history in the last 40 years, of doing a work around on pretty much everything on the internet.
       • lprent 2.1.1.1

         14 June 2017 at 8:53 am

         Yes. And that is exactly what is intended. Generally they aren’t about stopping what you say. They are about how you say it and behaviour on site.

         Think about how we moderate here. There is a bit about preventing simple bigotry. But mostly we moderate behaviour. It is easy to be a troll here. But they just have to be smart about it.

         It makes for a better reading experience for others
         • lprent 2.1.1.1.1

           14 June 2017 at 9:02 am

           You will of course tend to get new colonisation of different sectors. Along with the lawsuits hawked, 4chan etc. but generally most people tend to stay where they prefer what they read has content rather than shock value.
     • Ad 2.1.2

       14 June 2017 at 8:55 am

       From the New York Times article:

       “Moderator also tries to predict why the comment would be rejected (e.g.: inflammatory or insubstantial).”

       Oh please can we get it here?

       And just a couple of Labrador puppy videos per week?
       • lprent 2.1.2.1

         14 June 2017 at 10:37 am

         Otters…

         Labradors dribble
         • Andre 2.1.2.1.1

           14 June 2017 at 11:45 am

           Otters – in honour of the weather we’ve been having….
   • Carolyn_nth 2.2

     14 June 2017 at 8:24 am

     Interesting point about the re-adjustments towards more citizen political engagement at a certain point after the bedding in of new communication technologies.

     However, this:

     first military victories primarily due to firearms (not even mentioning the Reconquista, the discovery of the New World and the Columbian exchange!).

     That sort of conquest and “discovery” was part of imperialism and colonisation – ie the subjugation of people in their own lands, for resources, profit and power by European interests.
3. Keith 3

   14 June 2017 at 8:17 am

   Re Tabloids and ” these gutter rags”.

   “People are waking up to their naked corporate bias and highly evident hypocrisy”.

   They could be describing the NZ Herald to a “T” in the last half of that sentence, however it is probably a bit too much to ask that Aucklanders have woken up to the fact both the Herald and Mike Hosking are bias and thoroughly hypocritical.
   • garibaldi 3.1

     14 June 2017 at 9:08 am

     I would hazard a guess that most Aucklanders are well aware of that bias and that many of them are quite happy with it.
4. Ad 4

   14 June 2017 at 12:22 pm

   This was the rankings as of May 1st.

   1. | HuffingtonPost
   149 – eBizMBA Rank | 80,000,000 – Estimated Unique Monthly Visitors
   2 .| Breitbart
   298 – eBizMBA Rank | 60,000,000 – Estimated Unique Monthly Visitors
   3 .| DrudgeReport
   366 – eBizMBA Rank | 30,000,000 – Estimated Unique Monthly Visitors
   4 .| Politico
   464 – eBizMBA Rank | 25,000,000 – Estimated Unique Monthly Visitors
   5 .| TheHill
   637 – eBizMBA Rank | 20,000,000 – Estimated Unique Monthly Visitors
   6 .| Slate
   732 – eBizMBA Rank | 18,000,000 – Estimated Unique Monthly Visitors
   7 .| DailyKos
   1227 – eBizMBA Rank | 15,000,000 – Estimated Unique Monthly Visitors
   8 .| InfoWars
   1533 – eBizMBA Rank | 9,000,000 – Estimated Unique Monthly Visitors
   9 .| Salon
   1887 – eBizMBA Rank | 8,000,000 – Estimated Unique Monthly Visitors
   10. | TheBlaze
   1953 – eBizMBA Rank | 7,700,000 – Estimated Unique Monthly Visitors

   Not sure about any of you but I would regularly skim through 1, 4, 6, and 9, and don’t have the time for more.

   Apart from 1 and 9, the hard low-fact right are still cleaning up.

   Just tells me also that The Standard’s traffic monitor must be urgently restored so that we get a clearer sense of whether we are making any into the top 2.

   Those national site rankings matter to every political party and NGO in the country.
   • Cemetery Jones 4.1

     14 June 2017 at 3:36 pm

     Layoffs coming at Huffpost? http://archive.is/kwjnE
5. mordecai 5

   14 June 2017 at 2:29 pm

   Breitbart will survive – it has a low cost base, and significant loyal support. What is interesting is the glee that you wish to usher in its demise. The left never did like free speech, did it?
   • Cemetery Jones 5.1

     14 June 2017 at 2:42 pm

     Breitbart in its early days didn’t either. They tried to crush Mark Ames and Yasha Levine of eXiled Online for exposing the Tea Party movement as being an astroturf project of the Kochs, and had their readers brigade the comments section every time an article went up. That was back when Andrew Breitbart himself was still alive and there was a republican administration though. I think Breitbart only really discovered their love of free speech when a democratic administration took office.

     I do agree though that the Milo protest at Berkeley and the subsequent battles of MLK park, along with numerous other rallies taking place in the states shows that while the Breitbart right discovered free speech relatively late in life, what used to be the American new left is losing its tolerance for free speech in its dotage.
     • mordecai 5.1.1

       16 June 2017 at 2:49 pm

       Well said. Interesting comments about Ames and Levine…thanks.
6. swordfish 6

   14 June 2017 at 9:35 pm

   If YouGov data (linked to by ianmac and my good(ish)-self over the last 24 hours) is anything to go by … then nearly a third of Sun readers saw front page splashes on “Jihadi Jez”, Corbyn’s “jihadist comrades”, Corbyn the “terrorists’ friend”, and (Election Eve) “Don’t chuck Britain in the Cor-bin,” …… then went out and voted Labour anyway

   https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DBvuU_pXcAACquQ.jpg

   That’s just a little under 600,000 Sun readers disobeying Rupert’s strict instructions (more if you include on-line readers)

   (2017 = 30% Sun readers voted Labour …… 2015 = 24%)

   https://yougov.co.uk/news/2017/06/13/how-britain-voted-2017-general-election/

   No surprise that Murdoch reportedly stormed out of The Times’ Election Night Party when the BBC announced the Exit Poll
   • ianmac 6.1

     14 June 2017 at 9:40 pm

     The tide is a-turning eh swordfish? We hope.

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