The blowoff stream
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Categories: election 2014, internet mana party, john key, Minister for International Embarrassment, same old national, video, youtube -
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The queue is enormous. But here is the feed.
Thanks Selwyn for the link…..
19:05: Liala Harre has been improving her speaking since I last heard her. Introduced the speaker guests. Looking at the progressive achievements of the NZ past.
19:07: Glenn Greenwald is first up.
19:10: Greenwald calls John Key an adolescent 🙂 John Key has no interest in dignity or statesmanlike. “I’m not going to descend to the prime ministers level”
19:15: Greenwald directing his remarks towards John Key. In particular that Key is releasing classified information to protect HIS reputation.
19:20: Greenwald not paid. He told internet party to donate it to a charity. The Prime Ministers “reckless” accusation. Question is what is John Key saying about himself when he throws those types of accusations around. Does he have any principles?
19:28: NSA said project Speargun underway. Phase 1 completed. In this case actual implementation of technical means to capture internet data at the cables.
19:31: John Key lied about gaining new powers with the GCSB bill. In private they were saying something completely different. Waiting for GCSB Act before doing first metadata probe. The GBSB Act required to do the mass surveillance that Key was denying.
19:35: Snowden said that he saw the type of surveillance that Key was denying as an analyst in Hawaii (where our southern cross cable lands.
19:38: Snowden next.
19:45: Prime Minister wrong in his facts about surveillance. John Key is doing a careful parsing of words. GCSB reads US copies of surveillance of NZ citizens
19:54: Snowden says that metadata is more powerful for analyst than content. He has seen NZ data, both metadata and content. Available to all members of the 5 eyes, and without significant oversight. In NZ that oversight such as it is – John Key.
19:56: Assange from Wikileaks…
20:03: Assange: 5 eyes is an alliance of intelligence agencies – not nations. There is no consent by the population, just by elites in these nations now monitoring the citizens for their own benefit.
20:15: Video done with encryption. Kim Dotcom just did an advert for mega.
20:18: Bob Amsterdam – lawyer on TPP.
20:25: Amsterdam states that John Key is an outlaw. For instance the law society objecting to John Key abusing the due process for passing laws. Using ‘terror’ to do citizen invasion…
20:35 Amsterdam calls for a comprehensive independent Royal Commission on the actions of the John Key government.
20:40:: Kim Dot com intro? Nope.
20:54 Standup…
Gower predictably only interested in the email. Laila says proper process being followed – if speaker chooses to act.
Dotcom says the question is about John Key with the GCSB.
Dotcom is lecturing the media on their inadequacies and failings. It is not about his case, it was about the 5eyes, GCSB, and John Key’s government.
Greenwald saying that journalism is a about the facts. It is not about the election except that he has been working hard to get it out to allow people to go to the election with information.
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- Release: Labour welcomes EU free trade agreementThe New Zealand Labour Party welcomes the entering into force of the European Union and New Zealand free trade agreement. This agreement opens the door for a huge increase in trade opportunities with a market of 450 million people who are high value discerning consumers of New Zealand goods and ...1 week ago
- Surprise: Landlord tax cuts don’t trickle downThe Green Party is renewing its call for rent controls following reports of rental prices hitting an all-time high. ...1 week ago
- Release: $1.7b for no increase in access to medicineThe National-led Government continues its fiscal jiggery pokery with its Pharmac announcement today, Labour Health spokesperson Ayesha Verrall says. “The government has increased Pharmac funding but conceded it will only make minimal increases in access to medicine”, said Ayesha Verrall “This is far from the bold promises made to fund ...2 weeks ago
- Release: National should heed Tribunal warning and scrap coalition commitment with ACTThis afternoon’s interim Waitangi Tribunal report must be taken seriously as it affects our most vulnerable children, Labour children’s spokesperson Willow-Jean Prime. ...2 weeks ago
- Release: More accountability for preventable workplace deaths this Workers’ Memorial DayLabour is calling for more accountability for preventable workplace deaths because everybody who goes to work deserves to come home safely. ...2 weeks ago
- Gaza: Aotearoa Must Support Independent Investigation into Mass GravesTe Pāti Māori are demanding the New Zealand Government support an international independent investigation into mass graves that have been uncovered at two hospitals on the Gaza strip, following weeks of assault by Israeli troops. Among the 392 bodies that have been recovered, are children and elderly civilians. Many of ...2 weeks ago
- Release: Working together on consistent support for veterans this Anzac DayOur two-tiered system for veterans’ support is out of step with our closest partners, and all parties in Parliament should work together to fix it, Labour veterans’ affairs spokesperson Greg O’Connor said. ...2 weeks ago
- Release: Penny drops – but what about Seymour and Peters?Stripping two Ministers of their portfolios just six months into the job shows Christopher Luxon’s management style is lacking, Labour Leader Chris Hipkins said. ...2 weeks ago
- Another ‘Stolen Generation’ enabled by court ruling on Waitangi Tribunal summonsTonight’s court decision to overturn the summons of the Children’s Minister has enabled the Crown to continue making decisions about Māori without evidence, says Te Pāti Māori spokesperson for Children, Mariameno Kapa-Kingi. “The judicial system has this evening told the nation that this government can do whatever they want when ...2 weeks ago
- Release: Budget blunder shows Nicola Willis could cut recovery fundingIt appears Nicola Willis is about to pull the rug out from under the feet of local communities still dealing with the aftermath of last year’s severe weather, and local councils relying on funding to build back from these disasters. ...2 weeks ago
- Further environmental mismanagement on the cardsThe Government’s resource management reforms will add to the heavy and ever-growing burden this Government is loading on to our environment. ...2 weeks ago
- Release: RMA changes will be a disaster for environmentThe Government is making short-sighted changes to the Resource Management Act (RMA) that will take away environmental protection in favour of short-term profits, Labour’s environment spokesperson Rachel Brooking said today. ...2 weeks ago
- Release: Labour supports urgent changes to emergency management systemLabour welcomes the release of the report into the North Island weather events and looks forward to working with the Government to ensure that New Zealand is as prepared as it can be for the next natural disaster. ...3 weeks ago
- Release: Labour calls for New Zealand to recognise PalestineThe Labour Party has called for the New Zealand Government to recognise Palestine, as a material step towards progressing the two-State solution needed to achieve a lasting peace in the region. ...3 weeks ago
- Release: Three strikes law political posturing of worst kindThe Government is bringing back a law that has little evidential backing just to look tough, Labour justice spokesperson Duncan Webb said. ...3 weeks ago
- Release: Government cuts unbelievably target child exploitation, violent extremism, ports and airpor...Some of our country’s most important work, stopping the sexual exploitation of children and violent extremism could go along with staff on the frontline at ports and airports. ...3 weeks ago
- Three strikes has failed before and will fail againResurrecting the archaic three-strikes legislation is an unwelcome return to a failed American-style approach to justice. ...3 weeks ago
- Release: Environmental protection vital, not ‘onerous’The Government’s Fast Track Approvals Bill will give projects such as new coal mines a ‘get out of jail free’ card to wreak havoc on the environment, Labour Leader Chris Hipkins said today. ...3 weeks ago
- Speech to the 2024 Infrastructure Symposium
Introduction Good morning. It’s a great privilege to be here at the 2024 Infrastructure Symposium. I was extremely happy when the Prime Minister asked me to be his Minister for Infrastructure. It is one of the great barriers holding the New Zealand economy back from achieving its potential. Building high ...9 hours ago - $571 million for Defence pay and projectsDefence Minister Judith Collins today announced the upcoming Budget will include new funding of $571 million for Defence Force pay and projects. “Our servicemen and women do New Zealand proud throughout the world and this funding will help ensure we retain their services and expertise as we navigate an increasingly ...13 hours ago
- Climate change – mitigating the risks and costsNew Zealand’s ability to cope with climate change will be strengthened as part of the Government’s focus to build resilience as we rebuild the economy, Climate Change Minister Simon Watts says. “An enduring and long-term approach is needed to provide New Zealanders and the economy with certainty as the climate ...14 hours ago
- Getting new job seekers on the pathway to workJobseeker beneficiaries who have work obligations must now meet with MSD within two weeks of their benefit starting to determine their next step towards finding a job, Social Development and Employment Minister Louise Upston says. “A key part of the coalition Government’s plan to have 50,000 fewer people on Jobseeker ...2 days ago
- Accelerating Social InvestmentA new standalone Social Investment Agency will power-up the social investment approach, driving positive change for our most vulnerable New Zealanders, Social Investment Minister Nicola Willis says. “Despite the Government currently investing more than $70 billion every year into social services, we are not seeing the outcomes we want for ...2 days ago
- Getting Back on TrackCheck against delivery Good morning. It is a pleasure to be with you to outline the Coalition Government’s approach to our first Budget. Thank you Mark Skelly, President of the Hutt Valley Chamber of Commerce, together with your Board and team, for hosting me. I’d like to acknowledge His Worship ...2 days ago
- NZ – European Union ties more critical than everYour Excellency Ambassador Meredith, Members of the Diplomatic Corps and Ambassadors from European Union Member States, Ministerial colleagues, Members of Parliament, and other distinguished guests, Thank you everyone for joining us. Ladies and gentlemen - In diplomacy, we often speak of ‘close’ and ‘long-standing’ relations. ...2 days ago
- Therapeutic Products Act to be repealedThe Therapeutic Products Act (TPA) will be repealed this year so that a better regime can be put in place to provide New Zealanders safe and timely access to medicines, medical devices and health products, Associate Health Minister Casey Costello announced today. “The medicines and products we are talking about ...2 days ago
- Decisions on Wellington City Council’s District PlanThe Minister Responsible for RMA Reform, Chris Bishop, today released his decision on twenty recommendations referred to him by the Wellington City Council relating to its Intensification Planning Instrument, after the Council rejected those recommendations of the Independent Hearings Panel and made alternative recommendations. “Wellington notified its District Plan on ...2 days ago
- Rape Awareness Week: Government committed to action on sexual violenceRape Awareness Week (6-10 May) is an important opportunity to acknowledge the continued effort required by government and communities to ensure that all New Zealanders can live free from violence, say Ministers Karen Chhour and Louise Upston. “With 1 in 3 women and 1 in 8 men experiencing sexual violence ...2 days ago
- Smarter lunch programme feeds more, costs lessAssociate Education Minister David Seymour has today announced that the Government will be delivering a more efficient Healthy School Lunches Programme, saving taxpayers approximately $107 million a year compared to how Labour funded it, by embracing innovation and commercial expertise. “We are delivering on our commitment to treat taxpayers’ money ...2 days ago
- Report provides insights into marine recoveryNew research on the impacts of extreme weather on coastal marine habitats in Tairāwhiti and Hawke’s Bay will help fishery managers plan for and respond to any future events, Oceans and Fisheries Minister Shane Jones says. A report released today on research by Niwa on behalf of Fisheries New Zealand ...3 days ago
- NZ to send political delegation to the PacificDeputy Prime Minister and Foreign Minister Winston Peters will lead a broad political delegation on a five-stop Pacific tour next week to strengthen New Zealand’s engagement with the region. The delegation will visit Solomon Islands, Papua New Guinea, Vanuatu, New Caledonia, and Tuvalu. “New Zealand has deep and ...3 days ago
- Low gas production threatens energy securityThere has been a material decline in gas production according to figures released today by the Gas Industry Co. Figures released by the Gas Industry Company show that there was a 12.5 per cent reduction in gas production during 2023, and a 27.8 per cent reduction in gas production in the ...3 days ago
- Defence industry talent, commitment recognisedDefence Minister Judith Collins tonight announced the recipients of the Minister of Defence Awards of Excellence for Industry, saying they all contribute to New Zealanders’ security and wellbeing. “Congratulations to this year’s recipients, whose innovative products and services play a critical role in the delivery of New Zealand’s defence capabilities, ...3 days ago
- Speech to the Minister of Defence Awards of Excellence for IndustryWelcome to you all - it is a pleasure to be here this evening.I would like to start by thanking Greg Lowe, Chair of the New Zealand Defence Industry Advisory Council, for co-hosting this reception with me. This evening is about recognising businesses from across New Zealand and overseas who in ...3 days ago
- Speech to the Sixth Annual New Zealand Government Data SummitIt is a pleasure to be speaking to you as the Minister for Digitising Government. I would like to thank Akolade for the invitation to address this Summit, and to acknowledge the great effort you are making to grow New Zealand’s digital future. Today, we stand at the cusp of ...3 days ago
- Ceasefire agreement needed now: PetersNew Zealand is urging both Israel and Hamas to agree to an immediate ceasefire to avoid the further humanitarian catastrophe that military action in Rafah would unleash, Foreign Minister Winston Peters says. “The immense suffering in Gaza cannot be allowed to worsen further. Both sides have a responsibility to ...3 days ago
- Daily school attendance data now availableA new online data dashboard released today as part of the Government’s school attendance action plan makes more timely daily attendance data available to the public and parents, says Associate Education Minister David Seymour. The interactive dashboard will be updated once a week to show a national average of how ...3 days ago
- Ambassador to United States appointedForeign Minister Winston Peters has announced Rosemary Banks will be New Zealand’s next Ambassador to the United States of America. “Our relationship with the United States is crucial for New Zealand in strategic, security and economic terms,” Mr Peters says. “New Zealand and the United States have a ...4 days ago
- New permit proposed for recreational gold miningThe Government is considering creating a new tier of minerals permitting that will make it easier for hobby miners to prospect for gold. “New Zealand was built on gold, it’s in our DNA. Our gold deposits, particularly in regions such as Otago and the West Coast have always attracted fortune-hunters. ...4 days ago
- NZ and the UAE launch FTA negotiationsMinister for Trade Todd McClay today announced that New Zealand and the United Arab Emirates (UAE) will commence negotiations on a free trade agreement (FTA). Minister McClay met with his counterpart UAE Trade Minister Dr Thani bin Ahmed Al Zeyoudi in Dubai, where they announced the launch of negotiations on a ...4 days ago
- New Zealand Sign Language Week an opportunity for anyone to signNew Zealand Sign Language Week is an excellent opportunity for all Kiwis to give the language a go, Disabilities Issues Minister Louise Upston says. This week (May 6 to 12) is New Zealand Sign Language (NZSL) Week. The theme is “an Aotearoa where anyone can sign anywhere” and aims to ...4 days ago
- Next stop NASA for New Zealand studentsSix tertiary students have been selected to work on NASA projects in the US through a New Zealand Space Scholarship, Space Minister Judith Collins announced today. “This is a fantastic opportunity for these talented students. They will undertake internships at NASA’s Ames Research Center or its Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL), where ...4 days ago
- $1.9 billion investment to keep NZ safe from crimeNew Zealanders will be safer because of a $1.9 billion investment in more frontline Corrections officers, more support for offenders to turn away from crime, and more prison capacity, Corrections Minister Mark Mitchell says. “Our Government said we would crack down on crime. We promised to restore law and order, ...4 days ago
- OECD reinforces need to control spendingThe OECD’s latest report on New Zealand reinforces the importance of bringing Government spending under control, Finance Minister Nicola Willis says. The OECD conducts country surveys every two years to review its members’ economic policies. The 2024 New Zealand survey was presented in Wellington today by OECD Chief Economist Clare Lombardelli. ...4 days ago
- Agreement delivers Local Water Done Well for AucklandThe Government has delivered on its election promise to provide a financially sustainable model for Auckland under its Local Water Done Well plan. The plan, which has been unanimously endorsed by Auckland Council’s Governing Body, will see Aucklanders avoid the previously projected 25.8 per cent water rates increases while retaining ...5 days ago
- Gaza and the Pacific on the agenda with GermanyForeign Minister Winston Peters discussed the need for an immediate ceasefire in Gaza, and enhanced cooperation in the Pacific with German Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock during her first official visit to New Zealand today. "New Zealand and Germany enjoy shared interests and values, including the rule of law, democracy, respect for the international system ...6 days ago
- Decision allows for housing growth in Western Bay of PlentyThe Minister Responsible for RMA Reform, Chris Bishop today released his decision on four recommendations referred to him by the Western Bay of Plenty District Council, opening the door to housing growth in the area. The Council’s Plan Change 92 allows more homes to be built in existing and new ...1 week ago
- Speech to New Zealand China CouncilThank you, John McKinnon and the New Zealand China Council for the invitation to speak to you today. Thank you too, all members of the China Council. Your effort has played an essential role in helping to build, shape, and grow a balanced and resilient relationship between our two ...1 week ago
- Modern insurance law will protect Kiwi householdsThe Government is modernising insurance law to better protect Kiwis and provide security in the event of a disaster, Commerce and Consumer Affairs Minister Andrew Bayly announced today. “These reforms are long overdue. New Zealand’s insurance law is complicated and dated, some of which is more than 100 years old. ...1 week ago
- Government recommits to equal payThe coalition Government is refreshing its approach to supporting pay equity claims as time-limited funding for the Pay Equity Taskforce comes to an end, Public Service Minister Nicola Willis says. “Three years ago, the then-government introduced changes to the Equal Pay Act to support pay equity bargaining. The changes were ...1 week ago
- Transforming how our children learn to readStructured literacy will change the way New Zealand children learn to read - improving achievement and setting students up for success, Education Minister Erica Stanford says. “Being able to read and write is a fundamental life skill that too many young people are missing out on. Recent data shows that ...1 week ago
- NZ not backing down in Canada dairy disputeTrade Minister Todd McClay says Canada’s refusal to comply in full with a CPTPP trade dispute ruling in our favour over dairy trade is cynical and New Zealand has no intention of backing down. Mr McClay said he has asked for urgent legal advice in respect of our ‘next move’ ...1 week ago
- Stronger oversight for our most vulnerable childrenThe rights of our children and young people will be enhanced by changes the coalition Government will make to strengthen oversight of the Oranga Tamariki system, including restoring a single Children’s Commissioner. “The Government is committed to delivering better public services that care for our most at-risk young people and ...1 week ago
- Streamlining Building Consent ChangesThe Government is making it easier for minor changes to be made to a building consent so building a home is easier and more affordable, Building and Construction Minister Chris Penk says. “The coalition Government is focused on making it easier and cheaper to build homes so we can ...1 week ago
- Minister acknowledges passing of Sir Robert Martin (KNZM)New Zealand lost a true legend when internationally renowned disability advocate Sir Robert Martin (KNZM) passed away at his home in Whanganui last night, Disabilities Issues Minister Louise Upston says. “Our Government’s thoughts are with his wife Lynda, family and community, those he has worked with, the disability community in ...1 week ago
- Speech to New Zealand Institute of International Affairs, Parliament – Annual Lecture: Challenges ...Good evening – Before discussing the challenges and opportunities facing New Zealand’s foreign policy, we’d like to first acknowledge the New Zealand Institute of International Affairs. You have contributed to debates about New Zealand foreign policy over a long period of time, and we thank you for hosting us. ...1 week ago
- Accelerating airport security linesFrom today, passengers travelling internationally from Auckland Airport will be able to keep laptops and liquids in their carry-on bags for security screening thanks to new technology, Transport Minister Simeon Brown says. “Creating a more efficient and seamless travel experience is important for holidaymakers and businesses, enabling faster movement through ...1 week ago
- Community hui to talk about kina barrensPeople with an interest in the health of Northland’s marine ecosystems are invited to a public meeting to discuss how to deal with kina barrens, Oceans and Fisheries Minister Shane Jones says. Mr Jones will lead the discussion, which will take place on Friday, 10 May, at Awanui Hotel in ...1 week ago
- Pacific journalists are world’s ‘eyes and ears’ on climate crisis, says EU envoy
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Failing accommodation, tarmac problems and a deteriorating naval base were all laid bare before a $571 million spend-up was unveiled today. ...1 hour ago - Back in Black: Aldora’s year gets even better
Aldora Itunu is back in the Black Ferns squad after a three-year absence. The last of her 24 internationals was an underwhelming loss to France (7-29) in Castres to conclude the disastrous 2021 Northern Tour. The powerhouse prop won a Rugby World Cup in 2017 and thought she was done. ...2 hours ago - ‘Who’s actually governing this city?’The fight to control major transport policy and projects in Auckland has burst into the open again, with councillors rejecting Mayor Wayne Brown’s latest attempt to steer things more under his influence. Councillors from the left and right broke ranks on the mayor’s bid to control Auckland Transport more directly ...2 hours ago
- The return of .. Raw PoliticsExhausted by the general election campaign, horrified by the twilight zone of coalition negotiations, distracted by the silly season and waiting for the honeymoon to begin, Raw Politics has been in hibernation since October. From today, we’re back. Our weekly political video show and podcast returns for ...2 hours ago
- New Caledonia marks Armistice Day with new NZ war memorialBy Patrick Decloitre, RNZ Pacific correspondent French Pacific desk Authorities in the small town of Boulouparis have commemorated Armistice Day on May 8 with a new memorial honouring New Zealand soldiers who were stationed in New Caledonia during World War II. The ceremony took place in the township on the ...2 hours ago
- High Court dismisses key challenge to indefinite immigration detention. What does it mean?Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Sara Dehm, Senior lecturer, international migration and refugee law, University of Technology Sydney The High Court unanimously ruled today that the Australian government can keep asylum seekers in immigration detention indefinitely in cases where they do not “voluntarily” cooperate with their own ...5 hours ago
- A brief history of found footage video art – and where Macklemore’s Hind’s Hall fits inSource: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Kim Munro, Lecturer, Creative Industries and Digital Media, University of South Australia Twenty-four hours after the release of Macklemore’s pro-Palestine protest song Hind’s Hall on social media on May 7, the video had already notched up over 24 million views. In ...5 hours ago
- Transmission Gully could need new bulider – Infrastructure Commission reviewFailing to anticipate the complexity of the consenting system is being cited as the the current builder's shortcomings, an Infrastructure Commission review says. ...5 hours ago
- Proposed repeal of Oranga Tamariki Act section 7AA breaches Treaty of Waitangi – TribunalThe government is planning to repeal Treaty obligations from the Oranga Tamariki Act. ...5 hours ago
- Committee Silences Majority Of Submitters On Fast-track Bill
350 Aotearoa is calling the Environment Select Committee’s decision to allow oral submissions from just 40% of individual, unique submitters who asked to speak to the committee ‘a disgraceful blight to democracy’. ...5 hours ago - Sky-high vanity: constructing the world’s tallest buildings creates high emissionsSource: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By James Helal, Assistant Dean (Sustainability), The University of Melbourne Dubai skyline AleksandarPasaric/Pexels Since ancient times, people have built structures that reach for the skies – from the steep spires of medieval towers to the grand domes of ancient cathedrals and mosques. Today ...6 hours ago
- How can we measure the size of Australia’s illegal cannabis market – and the billions in taxes t...Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Jenny Williams, Professor of Economics, The University of Melbourne Canna Obscura/Shutterstock At the end of this month, a senate inquiry by the Legal and Constitutional Affairs Legislation Committee is due to hand down its report on a bill to legalise cannabis. ...6 hours ago
- Wearable devices can now harvest our brain data. Australia needs urgent privacy reformsSource: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Edward Musole, PhD Law Student, University of New England Girts Ragelis/Shutterstock Recent trends show Australians are increasingly buying wearables such as smartwatches and fitness trackers. These electronics track our body movements or vital signs to provide data throughout the day, with ...7 hours ago
- Labour Up, Greens Down But Centre-Right Remains AheadThis is the first time since February that voters have had a net positive view of the country direction. ...8 hours ago
- RNZAF Hercules, NZDF Personnel Arrive In Papua New Guinea To Help Distribute Relief SuppliesPapua New Guinea experienced a significant earthquake on 24 March in East Sepik and there has also been recent flooding there and in surrounding provinces. ...8 hours ago
- Sleep wrinkles are real. Here’s how they leave their markSource: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Yousuf Mohammed, Dermatology researcher, The University of Queensland Maridav/Shutterstock You wake up, stagger to the bathroom and gaze into the mirror. No, you’re not imagining it. You’ve developed face wrinkles overnight. They’re sleep wrinkles. Sleep wrinkles are temporary. But as your ...9 hours ago
- Week in Politics: Triumph and disaster, but no austerityAnalysis - A big announcement about Auckland's water woes was overshadowed by a chaotic press conference about prisons, Peter Wilson writes. ...9 hours ago
- Community Groups Furious That Government Silencing Hundreds In Fast-Track HearingsThe Environment Select Committee has just announced that 60 percent of individuals who asked to speak at the hearings will not be heard. This equates to almost 700 people who made individual submissions and more than 1000 more who made a form submission. ...9 hours ago
- Review: Swan Lake is a reminder of how much work it takes to look effortless
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- The plastic-heavy drinks industry is in for a shake-upThe New Zealand entrepreneur behind beauty business Ethique is gearing up to launch a new eco-venture. This is an excerpt from our weekly environmental newsletter Future Proof. Sign up here. Our thirst for a tasty bevvy is insatiable, but it comes with a hefty plastic price for the planet: 580 billion ...9 hours ago
- The Unity Books bestseller chart for the week ending May 10The only published and available best-selling indie book chart in New Zealand is the top 10 sales list recorded every week at Unity Books’ stores in High St, Auckland, and Willis St, Wellington. AUCKLAND 1 James by Percival Everett (Mantle, $38) A retelling of The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn from ...9 hours ago
- Puna calls for Pacific ‘journalistic vigilance’ in face of climate crisisBy Kamna Kumar in Suva Pacific Islands Forum Secretary-General Henry Puna stressed the importance of media freedom and its link to the climate and environmental crisis at the 2024 World Press Freedom Day event organised by the University of the South Pacific’s journalism programme. Under the theme “A Planet for ...10 hours ago
- Downsizing Of ERO Inconsistent With Govt Priority Of Lifting Student AchievementThe PSA is concerned that Government spending cuts have forced ERO to downsize at a time when student achievement is a significant challenge. ...10 hours ago
- Education Review Office set to cut 13 jobs, union saysThe Education Review Office is set to cut 13 jobs, the Public Service Association says. ...10 hours ago
- Judith Collins announces $571 million Defence spend-upAn extra half a billion dollars is going to Defence in this year's Budget for pay and equipment upgrades, the Defence Minister has announced. ...11 hours ago
- This new TVNZ anthology is Motherhood as you’ve never seen it beforeTara Ward previews a new local TV series offering alternative visions of motherhood. This is an excerpt from our weekly pop culture newsletter Rec Room. Sign up here. A woman is clambering up the side of her two-story house, clinging desperately to a drainpipe. Nearby, her child is perched on the ...11 hours ago
- LGNZ Supportive Of Cross-party Approach To Climate AdaptationLocal Government New Zealand (LGNZ) is supportive of the cross-party approach to climate adaptation announced by the Minister of Climate Change today. ...11 hours ago
- SBC And CLC Welcome Bipartisan Climate Adaptation InquiryThe Sustainable Business Council (SBC) and Climate Leaders Coalition (CLC) welcome today’s announcement from Government around a bipartisan inquiry into an enduring climate adaptation framework for New Zealand. ...12 hours ago
- Another Victory For Free Speech: DIA Abandons Proposals For Online CensorshipThe Free Speech Union welcomes the decision by the Department of Internal Affairs, and Minister Brooke Van Velden, to abandon proposals to further regulate online speech. ...12 hours ago
- Confused or playing for time? 3 possible reasons NZ is taking so long to make a call on AUKUSSource: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Robert G. Patman, Professor of International Relations, University of Otago Getty Images New Zealand governments have been actively exploring the option of joining pillar two of AUKUS for over a year now. But according to foreign minister Winston Peters, the government ...12 hours ago
- Archives NZ says it has enough space – for nowIts new building in Wellington will not be nearly big enough for all its records, and it has also run out of money to build its new storage facility in Levin. ...13 hours ago
- Consensus WelcomedBusinessNZ is congratulating the Minister of Climate Change for his work in achieving cross-party consensus for a way forward on climate adaptation. ...13 hours ago
- How many lives is that tax cut worth?Recent research reveals the repeal of smokefree measures is not only bad for our health, but also the economy. The Government has repealed various smokefree measures to ensure it keeps collecting $1.2 billion a year in tobacco taxes, in order to pay for tax cuts already being delivered to ...13 hours ago
- How the Phoenix went from wooden spoon favourites to title contendersThe club’s surprisingly good season is built on the desire to prove a random A-League YouTuber wrong… and a few other factors. “There’s no way that Wellington Phoenix play finals this year. I can’t see it happening at all.” Those are the words of Lachlan Raeside, an Australian football content ...13 hours ago
- Ministry cuts will harm Pacific health, wellbeing – unionThe PSA is warning cuts at the Ministry for Pacific Peoples will have severe consequences for the health and wellbeing of Pasifika families. ...13 hours ago
- Power shortages: What's being done to keep the lights on?Officials are looking at better ways of choosing who gets the power during shortages amid relentlessly growing demands. ...14 hours ago
- No more bad accents, stereotypes or cringe: why the rise of multilingual TV is good news for everyon...Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By César Albarrán-Torres, Senior Lecturer, Department of Media and Communication, Swinburne University of Technology Apple TV+ As one of billions of bilingual individuals in the world, it disappoints me when a film or TV show with characters of a non-English-speaking background is ...14 hours ago
- It’s time to ditch Berhampore Golf CourseThe under-utilised course is a waste of space, and with a little political will, it could be turned into something better. For the duration of her stay in Wellington, my long-suffering cousin listened to me rant about golf courses. They’re bad for the environment: water intensive and pesticide heavy. They ...14 hours ago
- Women in rich countries are having fewer kids, or none at all. What’s going on?Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Leah Ruppanner, Professor of Sociology and Founding Director of The Future of Work Lab, Podcast at MissPerceived, The University of Melbourne Shutterstock A recent report from the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention shows US fertility rates dropped 2% in ...15 hours ago
- We looked at over 166,000 psychiatric records. Over half showed people were admitted against their w...Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Amy Corderoy, Medical doctor and PhD candidate studying involuntary psychiatric treatment, School of Psychiatry, UNSW Sydney shop_py/Shutterstock Picture two people, both suffering from a serious mental illness requiring hospital admission. One was born in Australia, the other in Asia. Hopefully, ...15 hours ago
- Feral horses in Australia’s high country are damaging peatlands, decreasing carbon storesSource: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Sarah Treby, Postdoctoral Research Fellow, RMIT University P.j.Hickox, Shutterstock Peatlands store more carbon per square metre than any other ecosystem on Earth. These waterlogged, mossy bogs beat even dense rainforests for their ability to act as carbon reservoirs. Under the ...15 hours ago
- Andrew Tate’s extreme views about women are infiltrating Australian schools. We need a zero-tolera...Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Stephanie Wescott, Lecturer in Education, Monash University RDNE Stock Project/ Pexels , CC BY Earlier this week, two students were expelled from a Melbourne private school for their involvement in creating a spreadsheet that ranked girls using sexist and violent categories ...15 hours ago
- Yes, spending on health is growing, but new research shows we’re getting more for itSource: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By John Goss, Adjunct Associate Professor, Health Research Institute, University of Canberra Government spending on health has been growing so rapidly that a decade ago the then health minister Peter Dutton called it “unmanageable” and “unsustainable”. Health spending grew in real terms by ...15 hours ago
- Govt must regulate to smooth EVs and data centres' demand on power grids – VectorNew Zealand's largest electricity distributor is warning the country to hurry up with controls around charging electric vehicles or face unnecessary bills running into the billions. ...16 hours ago
- Could you be about to lose your power?New Zealanders have been asked to conserve energy this morning to combat a possible electricity shortfall, writes Stewart Sowman-Lund in this extract from The Bulletin. To receive The Bulletin in full each weekday, sign up here. A call to conserve power New Zealand is facing a possible electricity shortfall, with people up ...16 hours ago
- What actually are the Ockhams?Writer Rebecca K Reilly breaks down the national book awards. What are the Ockhams? The Ockham New Zealand Book Awards are our annual national awards for books published for adults, and have existed in this form since 2016. There are four categories: Fiction, Poetry, General Non-fiction and Illustrated Non-fiction. There ...18 hours ago
- Selling Wellington Airport would be colossally carelessWellington City Council should keep its 34% ownership share in Wellington International Airport, argue Unions Wellington spokespeople Finn Cordwell and Ashok Jacob. Insanity, as the saying goes, is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Wellington City Council (WCC) is yet again proposing to dispose ...18 hours ago
- Two senior publishers axed at Penguin Random House amid major restructureNew Zealand’s largest book publisher has undergone drastic changes this week, leaving its future role in local publishing uncertain. Two of the most recognisable local publishers in New Zealand are among those restructured out of Penguin Random House, it was announced this week. Head of publishing Claire Murdoch will leave ...18 hours ago
- All trained up and nowhere to writeIn 2021 the Public Interest Journalism Fund launched the Te Rito Journalism project, a $2.4 million initiative to boost diversity in New Zealand’s newsrooms. The initiative was in response to the decades-long shortage of Māori and Pacific journalists in the media industry. It was billed as New Zealand’s ...18 hours ago
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Can.Hardly.Wait. No blackouts please…can that be requested even?
How exciting! Hasn’t Kim Dotcom brought some pizazz to the 2014 general election?
Just standing back for a moment from the fire in the crucible at the moment, I genuinely think Dotcom and the Internet party would be great for New Zealand.
His first task should be to oversee the dragging of the IRD and its arcane, paper-based technology into the 21st century. The billions saved with a comprehensive and modern platform, and the removal of process from the many failed accountants who make up all levels of the IRD would help level the playing field for a lot of our underprivileged children.
I myself will not be voting IMP but I admire what they have done in a short space of time.
I am enjoying it but I just hope it does not fracture things like in 1981 …
Unless we are at the point where breaking is the only option left. Sometimes things have to break in order for something else to arise.
Yep but change is what people fear most. It’s why National’s promise of keeping things the same often works while promising change often doesn’t.
Labour/Green/NZF/IMP are not going to win without a schism in the voting booth.
The John Key personality politics has hypnotised such a large proportion of boof-head New Zealand men that a seismic event at this point in time may be the only way to unseat the sort of happy-go-lucky corruption we are witnessing from the current government.
Greg, you are fractured now, your decision to use foreigners, and criminals to fight your cause is the fracture. Your fiasco will probably see us through to 2017, since the man with his legs apart in the sand will hold. We certainly hope he does. It will be 56% NZ Govt with Winston, and none of us need come back to foaming Draco or Martyn for a long time no love you. Keep up with the money for babies idea, in an overcrowded world, you know you pay for my new Nazti baby, and the CGT,enerally explain policy which is abhorrent to New Zealanders , I think we love Dot crim for a long time, keep him here.
arent you the guy who cant read google correctly?
seems you cant write very well either – paragraphs for gods sake!
and actually having foreigners comment is vastly better as they have no political affiliation in NZ
🙄
Does Paul Scott know how to comment without lying? Not on the evidence.
Maybe a repeat of 1981 is exactly what’s required. There are many that look back on that era, what transpired in SA, and have realised how divisive the whole sorry episode was – even certain police officers changed their minds.
What I hope is that it doesn’t become cyclical. I’d thought we’d learnt from 1981 and Muldoon and his despotic disrespect for democracy. But then I thought the world might have learnt from WWII and fighting fascism. Apparently not (I mean who could have expected the ‘victims’ to be supplying the apartheid regime’s with their weaponry; who would have expected Obama’s Hope & Change to have become a rerun of neo-lib agendas and to be creaming himself over his relationship with a treacherous money trader?
Maybe a rerun of 1981 is EXACTLY what’s required. – But I hope not. If it does come to that, then the de-ANZUs, the putting NZ out in the cold as punishment for anti-nuclear stance shouldn’t be feared.
There’s always the BRICS (and along with it their proposal to duplicate the internet MINUS US hegemony. And should that happen – realistically there’s ekshully not a shitload The Land of The Free could do about it
A blow by blow of the blowup of john blowoff – I sense a shart – lights on upstairs in the beehive again – loving this liar going down!
His reputation is smelly and horrid – now we just need to get him to realise and the pack will follow 🙂
oops we lost someone
ok starting bang on time
yay it’s on!!!
The stream is lagging by about 30 seconds
Campbell live doing some background coverage.
I have screens, but only the town hall audio playing.
Not sure why Laila is there. This should be a KDC event, not an IP event.
It was always going to be a promo for IMP + KDC.
Didn’t the IP organise the event?
They did.
They should mute Kim’s mic. I don’t mind that he’s amused but Glenn is speaking well and I want to listen to him.
This is a massive bombshell.
Apparently, Queen Elizabeth has been abusing Glenn Greenwald!
Ah well, all is right in the world – Americans still don’t get the difference between Head of State and Head of Government.
LOL – yeah – noticed that one.
And then “President Key… erm “PM Key”
Quality of stream is very good.
Another reason to hope for a change in government. Good quality streaming!
heh.
It’s because they are in central Auckland and will have access to high speed cable that will only be required to carry the upload to Google/Youtube.
The problem with the previous streams was that they were locally hosted which caused all kinds of issues.
(I occasionally stream and can manage 720p if I fiddle enough)
Great. Damn good so far.
another few days to go and then the gnashing of the teeth, foam at mouth, , and back to your normal violence
Don’t be a silly wee fool. The left as a whole are seldom violent. Violence tends to be done to the left by knuckleheads like yourself.
Glenn is a very good speaker.
funny too. A delight to watch.
Check this presentation Greenwald gave in 2013
Almost up to 15k viewers…
How many Hager books were sold so far? Does this already beat that? 🙂
were are you seeing the viewer numbers Zorr?
Watching it on Youtube. There is a viewer count under the video.
19k and rising atm…
>19k and rising atm…
So around 0.6% of registered voters. That must be a bit disappointing considering the hype.
60k now.
Most of those views are likely to be linked from the front page thread on Reddit where this story is trending right now. I’d wager a guess that the majority of those views are by people who can’t vote in our election.
That said, if I’m wrong and most of those views are from NZ then that is certainly an impressive figure.
It’s gone up to 90,000 in the past hour, so unlikely to be mostly kiwis.
Although kiwis are nocturnal, there’s that 🙂
60 thousand in 4 hours.
Not bad for a political youtube vid.
[dumb troll speaks – deleted]
That 3rd slide is a killer
yeah, I felt a bit sick seeing that.
Has anyone asked Greenwald about the MSM in NZ and how to create balanced and fair media?
Greenwald has touched on that – mainly by talking about the role of journalists, and what NZ journos should be doing.
He hasn’t talked about how to make that happened.
I’ve heard some general comments on what journos should be doing. Nothing on specific MSM issues in NZ though. I can understand why he wouldn’t want to go there, but we need the same degree of spotlight put on the journos as on the govt.
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[lprent: Banned again. Clearly likes to criticize, but unable to handle criticism. 4 weeks to attempt to learn self-control. ]
What was Laila’s dig at Plunkett about?
He was being a complete twerp. From his Facebook:
“Actually came to work angry this morning. Angry that a fugitive German hacker, fraudster and money launderer still thinks he can hijack a New Zealand election. I guess money talks, it bought the Mana Party and Laille Harre and even a wife for a while. It has also bought journalist Glen Grenwald and his lawyer here to participate in what must be the most sophisticated act of revenge and self serving mind control in the history of this nation. The liberal media and left leaners of Aro Valley have lapped up the half baked conspiracy theories and hate speech the Kim Dotcom and his cronies have peddled in the past weeks in the hope of fixing an election. I guess the only thing that tempers my anger is the fact that they have and will continue to fail…that this mud slinging campaign based on fear and innuendo won’t fool the vast majority of New Zealanders”
holy shit. That’s embarrassing.
McFlock just posted in OM that Hoskings has done a similar rant on Seven Sharp.
Plunkett is most likely feeling he’s been conned, missed the boat, failed as a journalist in how this story got passed him and regrets, somewhat emotionally, supporting John Key et al.
and then tossing his toys out of the cot.
Right on Sean.
Exactly how I felt.
It is outrageous that foreign nationals in the form of these pricks can come to NZ and attempt to disrupt and influence New Zealand’s election.
Imagine the uproar if the Nats had bought in a bunch of foreigners to discredit the liberal left parties with a series of allegations about their behaviour just prior to the election.
As for that ultimate prick amsterdam slandering key by calling him a traitor, he should be frog marched out of NZ post haste.
key is a total ‘traitor’..
..he is not working in the interests of nz citizens..
..he works in the interest of a foreign power..
..against the interests of new zealanders..
..by any definition..
..that is a ‘traitor’…
“Imagine the uproar if the Nats had bought in a bunch of foreigners to discredit the liberal left parties with a series of allegations about their behaviour just prior to the election.”
Ok, this is satire right?
As a foreign national who lives here, (been called a prick by many and told to ‘go back where you belong’ – notably by Winston 3 times, and twice when he was deputy PM) all I have to say you and your ilk is – “Go fuck yourself you clowns. Preferably both emotionally and physically, and thirdly, very painfully”
Sean saw All the Presidents men, came on his show and said he’d seen the light and Nicky was right all along, went on about Jason ede
so you hate freedom of speech – thanks for playing, you can pick up your free jackboots on the way out
“Imagine the uproar if the Nats had bought in a bunch of foreigners to discredit the liberal left parties with a series of allegations about their behaviour just prior to the election.”
well if they had been up to illegal and unethical practices it would be in everyones interest to know before voting wouldnt it
thanks your big dumb problem – the left actually dont want representatives who are corrupt and would gladly welcome such an exposure if it was true – and you cant comprehend that
I knew Plunkett’s dad but don’t wish to speak ill of the dead.
Plunkett is right in one sense. “Money talks”, unfortunately it seems that the only way the Left can take on the wealthy right is with Dotcoms money. No one else could expose what we have seen here. Good on Dotcom for this and his funding of IM.
I have court provable evidence concerning two occasions whereby I personally have been the subject of what could only be classed as mass surveillance. Both occasions occurred late lat year. Who wants to know more?
Me, please.
In response to a recent Slashdot thread entitled, “Hacker Disrupts New Zealand Election Campaign” the subject line “Voip SMS Fixed” discloses details of one incident that can be backed by affidavit. The second incident involves an NZ Customs unwarranted interception of a private postal envelope clearly marked as coming from a Bank Ombudsman, details of which correspondence could only have been gleaned using a surveillance program.
A judge.
So, there’s an NSA facility in Auckland, and another in the “north”… where exactly? (Snowden statement)
My house. 😀
You would have driven past the one up north, going north. It’s not a TV satellite receiver. And the one in Auckland, well that one I’m not 100% but I thought it was in Takapuna.
Corner of Northcote Rd & Akoranga Dr is end point of Southern Cross Cable going to Hawaii.
The satellite station near Warkworth, is mostly used for data traffic, most likely location of ‘NSA North’
Other end of Southern Cross cable is Whenupai near airbase
😯
Just off New North Road.
Tweet from Gower:
What is interesting is the responses to that Tweet. Thanks for link Karol.
Heh.
You could see all the TV3 jonolists and others all starting to see the light. But after a nights sleep what will they write
So we’ve got someone wanted for theft, someone wanted for breach of copyright and someone wanted for sexual offences, talking to us about morality.
I think I can see how this one is going to play.
Shame, for a moment I thought they had something going there.
ah and here comes the dog in the manger.
Simply pointing out the obvious … Expect lots of that interference, drowning out whatever the message was.
This had the makings of a king hit but Assange’s presence is a gift to the right.
It certainly smells like one…
Well you obviously made up your mind based on the evidence presented.
Please spare us your in-depth analysis.
I refer you to my comment immediately above yours. Learn to read and think before deigning to share your branes with us.
mate you’re just too clever for the likes of us. Piss off eh? Or try doing something else that’s constructive.
Referring to Aesop’s fables and telling others to shut up rates as constructive in your book?
I give as good as I get. If you want to play nice, I’ll play nice. If you’re going to be a vulgar cretin, I’ll at least match you on the first count.
But you always start with the negative shit. Always.
With Labour at 25% in the polls it’s a bit hard to argue the glass is half full.
I simply saw an immediate problem with tonight’s events, and how it was going to play out. If you feel a warning is negative, then you need to develop a thicker skin.
Sorry if this was meant to be some back-slapping and mutual pleasuring session. It didn’t say so on the door and I just walked right in …
missing the point. It’s that you always come in with the thing that undermines. That’s your starting point.
Perhaps because no-one else has said it but it needs to be said?
I don’t see any point in wasting posts on repeating whoo-hoo type comments or offering phoney comfort.
Still, if you want a cuddle and to be told it is all okay, I’m sure someone will be happy to oblige.
fuck off with your deliberate misrepresenting my point.
What? You complain about me being all so ooh-nasty-negativity. I explain, patiently, why I posted the comments that I did. You get all upset about a teensy-weensy joke at the end of it.
Just look at you’re own foul mouth posturings up thread. All you’ve done is (try to) attack me personally. If you can’t take it, don’t dish it out. And clearly, you can’t.
🙄
You are an incessantly negative person. Actually negative isn’t the right word, because there is nothing wrong with being critical. As I said at the start, dog in the manger is probably the best fit.
I get sick of it. You can be however you like, and I can call you out on it.
Can you please provide some guidance as when one is allowed to be ‘critical’? It is hard to tell when one is being ‘critical’ and one is being ‘negative.’
Possibly, if you practised posting without swearing and telling other posters to shut up and piss off, you might not come across as so ‘critical’ yourself.
just stick with the dog in the manger metaphor and you’ll get it.
If I have to be a dog can I not at least be a better sort of dog? Maybe one of the dogs that everyone is always saying we are going to? I’d like to be one of those dogs. They must be very popular if everyone is going to them.
Weka, For me it’s the name. I mean Lurgee?
from the Oxford dictionary….
brane noun
Physics
An extended object analogous to the strings of string theory but having any number of dimensions rather than one dimension.
not sure that’s not an unintentional compliment ??
No. Try here:
http://ifyoulikeitsomuchwhydontyougolivethere.com/
It’s very funny, though sadly defunct.
@ lurgee….you dont know what you are talking about …false accusations!….and a reflection on yoursef!
Are you claiming that Snowden is not wanted for data theft, Kim Dotcom is not wanted for copyright violation and Assange is not wanted for sexual offences?
As far as I am aware, the charges against all three still stand. I didn’t pass any comment on the validity or justification of the charges. I was merely pointing out how Key / the right will play this one.
Is this the dreaded lurgee?
This snowden reveal of the nz tickbox destroys key’s lies
Disappointed there was no documentation to back up his claims.
It;s in the already published Snowden Document, as explained in Snowden’s post today.
And it’s in Greenwald’s article and accompanying links today.
Kim just needs a shopped piccie of key as a lizard person and the show will be complete.
What a complete waste of 2 hours of my life.
right, so not actually interested in documentation then.
Sockpuppet you just proved everything Pam said, was right on the money about you lot.
Old bought and paid for
PamCameron SlaterDavid FarrarJohn Key……… fucking sellout.[lprent: Umm I think that you must have had wrong person. I corrected it for you several times. This is because I care for your accuracy. 😈 and I feel this is stupid pointless abuse. And I really didn’t like your original version when I checked back on it.
I’d suggest that you exert more self-control in future. ]
Nope he is just trolling. Even though KDC did not have the affidavit what I saw tonite was damning, utterly damning.
Heh I can just see you typing with that serious look on your face…. the Dotcom show was a joke and unfortunately for those of us who favour a change of government it will do more harm than good.
Dotcom is a crook and a charlatan who has duped the media and other lackwits.
^^^ Concern troll.
Keep sucking that stogie sockpuppet. Agent provocateur was the old adage. Me thinks you are just FUBAR by being lied to so often, you can’t get the snafu to work anymore.
🙄 🙄 🙄 🙄
… and it’s you’re not your..
But he hasn’t duped you – No leave that to Key! You sad fool.
You sad sack just because I despise dot com and his ilk doesn’t mean I vote for the likes of key
I don’t like the man much either (I lived on the same road) but I respect what he has done tonight and that has been to bring to the attention of the NZ public just how much under threat the sovereignty and the liberty of NZ is from both the 5 eyes and the TPPA. Furthermore he has clearly demonstrated to the people that all this has been at the complicity of our current PM, who has consistently lied to NZers and to Parliament about the intentions of the GCSB Act, and the TPPA negotiations. All at the instigation of multinationals, and the bully boy behaviour of the USA. If you can’t see that then you are a fool.
Can’t wait for Lynn to get home.
edit, ah I see sockpuppet that you have removed your comment saying “you are a cunt”.
[lprent: That is the upside of having long edit times. People get to think about what the moderators will think of it when they see it. The corrective self-control in this one tends to indicate that he has met the issue of doing it the wrong way before. ]
yeah I thought that too (it’s not like they removed it for the sensibility of the thread).
Key is a crook and a charlatan who has duped the media and other lackwits.
So did this spying occur under Labour?
“So did this spying occur under Labour?”
Why don’t you go and read the documents and look at the dates?
…must … not … think for… self…
But how will it sink Key? Seems pretty easy to teflon away to me.
Fuck John Key. Don’t worry about him. The only way that National win the election is if people don’t get out and vote.
Most of the damaging information came out this afternoon.
Your hole life is a complete waste. You should be on someone’s foot, but instead you have Ede’s and Slater’s hands up your bum.
[lprent: I’d put that down as pointless abuse. However I was just contemplating saying much the same after reading a few of the idiotic comments by the puppet. ]
😀
rofl @Murray.
You could have deleted it for the spelling mistake anyway. I’ll claim I was over medicated yesterday as my defence. For some reason, sockpuppet really got to me.
Yes! – the TPPA must go before it even begins!!!
What a fucking joke this has been
Exactly – key has let everyone down so badly, he doesn’t deserve any respect at all, not even as a punchline.
Get a grip. You might like to read the biggest forum in NZ which is typically left leaning saying this is a dog.
http://www.gpforums.co.nz/threads/491767-Dotcom-Reveal
The truth is painful – I understand why you are so upset.
I wouldn’t call the gpforums left-leaning at all…
It’s not TradeMe forums but, then again, Trademe makes any subreddit look respectable.
Fark did you watch the same video as the rest of us?
Ideological blinkers are out in force tonight Micky. If they had to think for themselves – their poor wee brains would explode.
Tell us why you think it’ll expose key so much he’ll be voted out? Shit, I was hoping for a resignation.
Yep. A load of bullshit from kim and co as usual, with nothing to back it up.
Yeah, it was a real bummer.
Nothing (particularly) new from what was already published this afternoon and discussed in interviews this morning and over the weekend.
Assange was incredibly boring, too.
I agree that there is no “smoking gun” so far but it is possibly the best presentation of the case against Key and the GCSB. I think it will be enough to sway voters because it is working very well as highlighting the failings of Key.
Especially when Glenn, Snowden and Amsterdam are talking. They are strong and persuasive speakers. It would have been made better without Assange.
the long period of isolation and limited access to resources has made Assange’s contributions somewhat less relevant, unfortunately. Also it’s been reported that Assange’s health is not great and I think that plus long term house arrest is having an impact on him.
Agree on Assange – boring an unnecessary.
We needed the Greenwald & Snowden articles from today first. They have been speaking to that.
Sorry to disagree, but the testimony of Assange was very pertinent to what the others were saying. That is, that the sovereignty of our country is under threat. That needs to be repeated endlessly.
I repeat the paraphrase from the post above:
That it it in a nutshell, the spies are taking from us our liberty and rights to privacy for their own ends and without the consent of the population, aided and abetted by a compliant government.
too much antipathy towards Assange (someone on twitter named the elephant in the room, and only half the audience rose to applaud him). Any of the others could have said what he said.
Maybe – but it is the testimony of someone who also has his liberty at risk – as well as Snowden – and has acted in the public interest. That adds weight however non engaging his style of address.
People today are far to eager to look at the style rather than the substance – hence the popularity of Key. Image above all things is the failure of the modern age.
I agree re substance, and I thought about how Hager often doesn’t come across that welk in interviews, however I wasn’t referring to Assange’s poor speaking skills. I think that too many people feel incomfortable about him because of the elephant in the room (not going there tonight myself), despite the good things he has done, and for that reason it was probably a mistake to have him there.
“Image above all things is the failure of the modern age.”
Ae, which is why so many people are focussed tonight on the lack of a smoking gun, or the fact that the night should have been about KDC’s email.
Yes I’m well aware of the other aspect – and no I am not going there either – except to say we have a rule of law that says “innocent until proven guilty” and that seems to be neglected by many who want to discredit what Assange has to offer.
The “did Key know or not know of KDC before the raid” is frankly minor stuff to what was revealed tonight.
It’s pretty obvious he did.
+1
Watching twitter and how angry people are with KDC is just bizarre. On the other hand KDC does misjudge the NZ mindset quite a lot and I don’t think he realises that we don’t really go in for the whole celebrity/big ego thing.
Not sure I agree with that; How do you explain our reality show PM?
That’s entertainment, where we do do celebrity. I’m talking about politics. If KDC wants to be taken seriously by the intelligentsia, he needs to understand NZ culture better.
Disappointed in you there Macro, you did just go there.
Irrespective of all the various views on Assange, my point is that too many people here in NZ feel antipathy towards him and I think that affected things tonight.
Macro +100….i thought what Assange had to say was crucially important….our democracy and sovereignty and economic independence is under threat by a bunch of anonymous pirate cowboy intelligence agencies …and Key’s Nact govt is complicit.
Yes confused – you have been well and truly fucked over and you never knew it. Sad fool.
Ah, I see that’s you, prominently in the front row Lynn 🙂
Russell Brown @publicaddress 6 mins
When the noise drops, I can hear the typing and texting around me like the pitter-patter of light rain. #MoT #MediaSeats
Maybe, maybe not…
KDC’s lawyer isn’t that inspiring is he!
You reckon? I watched him and I thought he was outstanding. Was his language too complicated for you?
yeah that must have been it….
Shorter MS…..
He insulted Key therefore he is a godlike being.
Those who hate freedom, and liberty are out in force tonight. One must remember Slatter does not write his own material, these meretricious fools just cut and paste.
So a D- for the pool of dross your spinning their sock. Try harder.
well, scheduled event and they can’t afford another tea-tape slide.
Those who are easily hoodwinked by the Crook from Coatesville are out in force tonight. One must remember that Dotcom’s tame trolls don’t write their own material, these meretricious fools just cut and paste.
So a D- for the pool of dross your spinning adam. Try harder or dot com will cut the paycheque.
.. see I can play that game too.
😀
so your counter to a claim that you’re just a cut&paste idiot is to cut&paste?
tres faboo…
In case anyone is curious, that’s half a gig of streaming so far (1.5hrs).
And we’ve all tuned out.
Key is in so deep with the NSA, they named xKeyScore after him
Oh like that one.
Snowden outstanding, Greenwald and Amsterdam good. USA 3, others 0. KDC should take a back seat.
The big story here:
Snowden had the killer evidence – Key has lied about NZers not being subject to mass surveillance, only the willfully ignorant can deny that now.
As Snowden said (paraphrase), such surveillance might be justified, but it cannot be against the consent of the people. It cannot be hidden from the people.
If Key said “Yes, we do it, because we have to, for our security”, that would be grounds for an open debate. Ends and means, etc.
But instead he says “We don’t do it – end of.” That’s false. Beyond argument, now.
Snowden had no evidence. He was a lacky. He said it was happening here, so it must be happening there too.
Get fucking real. NZ doesn’t have the capacity to do that.
So, is Key’s (your) line now that there IS mass surveillance, but it’s by the USA, with NZ’s agreement and that’s OK? Or that it’s by the USA, without NZ’s agreement?
Both lines are new, so which is it?
Neither are new. Get out from under your rock.
OK, can you point to a statement by the Prime Minister acknowledging either?
That’s pretty huge news, and I missed it.
uhh, x key score has been out there for years now. May be pretty huge news for the uninformed like yourself.
A lackey for whom, exactly? You right-wing trolls are so transparent; when in a tight corner, throw inspecific poo while putting on your best “Mrs Reasonable” face.
infused you really are ill informed, and as such should not pass judgement. Next you will be saying we didn’t help the Americans put spy bases on Antarctica.
nonono infused stop the name calling as snowden said the facts are not yours to dismiss you and your keys smearing wont work snowden is well up the ladder well beyond you or your key he is totally credble and has not axe to grind key is a very small petty person compared to snowden so please no more gutter slater tripe crawl back where you came from
learn some punctuation and I might be able to finish reading that.
They do. You don’t understand how it works.
Every member of the 5 eyes contributes to the pool of information that can be searched by XKEYSCORE. The network of sensors is designed to cover the entire internet. ECHELON works the same way for satellites – each member has listening stations that contribute to a common pool of information.
Each country then accesses that pool as it sees fit (independently of the others). With ECHELON each country would have a dictionary of words that it gave the computers to comb the data with. XKEYSCORE does that for the internet, but in a much more powerful way.
So Key may well be correct that the GCSB doesn’t “access” NZers metadata, as it can certainly opt out of doing so by omitting NZ results from the pool of information (Snowden described how this is done in his answers). Where he’s lying is in denying that it is “collected” by the GCSB, since the GCSB as a contributor to the common pool of data must collect it for the system to work.
Cool. Produce the evidence so I can have a read.
Another one who wants shit handed to them on a plate. Not your private researcher. Start by reading the voluminous amounts of Snowden info already published on XKEYSCORE.
You forgot to mention that Snowden had operated with NZ intelligence in Hawaii. Go back over the video. You’ll see it.
Will key have to resign, then? He’ll just bat the lying accusations away as usual and then go up in the polls. Abbott’s Australia looks better by the second.
Why? Not one bit of evidence was presented.
Where is your evidence for that outrageous claim?
Because he lied.
Nah Chris. I live in Queensland and it’s pretty much as bad locally. Nationally we’ve got Abbott eagerly joining another war.
Karol up north reference by Snowden – my pick is Warkworth.
Satellite station?
A sub-equatorial peninsula in the south western corner of the Pacific way away from other nations navies…
satellite station is where emails go. Voice traffic and internet would be via fibre cable as its normally faster
Warkworth satellite station would seem the logical place.
Con:fused no the US does and you are an enabler!
So fucking what. Take it up with the US then and encrypt your data. Start being smart instead of being a sheep.
which encryption packages haven’t they compromised?
bull run, I believe it is called.
Lots. Why don’t you do some research?
Why don’t you learn the difference between “which” and “how many”?
Any list of uncompromised encryption tools has some false negatives on it.
… really.
Just use PGP then.
Or are you going to quote the conspiracy theory that the govt has a back door in to it?
Nah.
I’m just going to point out that the NSA has an exposed program to exploit intentional vulnerabilities in some encryption products, so therefore without an advanced degree in programming and cryptographic mathematics one has no way of knowing whether one’s data is genuinely protected by any given product.
And the word of some pseudonym who thinks that an eyewitness claim (from someone who has been demonstrated as a credible source) doesn’t count as “evidence” is not equivalent to an advanced degree.
Con;fused Contradicting your own lies trying to pull the wool then admitting than we are being spied on!
Lost the plot Poor we johnny won’t be happy with you not able to follow script!
Off to spying and lying school for you!
The only thing tricking down is your IQ. Single digits now it seems.
That’s it? So KDC isn’t going to produce his evidence Key lied?
something’s meant to be coming out tomorrow?
Doesn’t look like it. ipredict’s got stock on evidence key lied about knowledge of Dotcom down to 11% last time I looked. Been up and down and all over the place today but has definitely bottomed out after tonight’s performance. Dotcom at the select committee said to key “I know you know”. Hope something comes out soon.
So what happened to KDC’s email & the promised affidavit?
That was promised for tomorrow (if I remember what was written today correctly)
Any source for that? I’ve been reading most stuff this afternoon and didn’t see any mention of that.
I’m trying to remember, I heard it today too, sounded like there was a change of plan.
edit, nope, looks like it was yesterday,
http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/dotcom-promises-residency-bombshell-6080297
I guess because the email got leaked early they didn’t go with that. Or it’s something legal to do with KDC’s defense.
Russell Brown @publicaddress 2 mins
So supposedly the email didn’t feature because it’s going to the Parliamentary Privileges Committee. #MoT
But really, they should have said that tonight to let people know.
They did say it but, at the time, I didn’t know what they were talking about.
I forget who said it but it was something like ‘you may have read the story in the Herald today, well the IP/Mana take it seriously and so have sent it to the Parliamentary privileges committee’.
I wondered what the ‘story in the Herald’ was about at the time – should have guessed as it’s pretty obvious. But they didn’t say ‘the story about the email’.
Speaker not Privileges committee apparently – working from my memory only.
Referred to the privileges committee. It’s gatekeeper is the speaker.
yes I heard that but I didn’t realise it meant they weren’t going to look at it at all tonight. Even if they didn’t want to say that at the start in case people tuned out, they could have said something at the end. Also explaining what that means (Mana’s actions).
I forget who said it…
Amsterdam.
That is absolute nonsense:
A) they already released it to Herald
B) there is no privileges committee at present
C) even if there were, that wouldn’t stop them talking about the “email”
Take some time brother. Take some time.
Sorry, you’re right. It appears that it is meant to be revealed tonight.
Apparently there is a press conference that was planned shortly where it is intended to be revealed.
NZHerald live update said press conference at 9pm, so that might be it.
stuff.co.nz live reporting:
So that’s it then. Hardly a smoking gun.
http://thestandard.org.nz/the-blowoff-stream/#comment-888288
“So that’s it then. Hardly a smoking gun.”
You mean about KDC’s claim that the PM knew about him before the raid and therefore lied, right?
Because the rest of the evening was one big smoking gun (although it’s crap and inappropriate metaphor).
I am specifically talking about the KDC ‘proof’, yes.
But the rest of the evening wasn’t anything that wasn’t published earlier today, except possibly Snowden claiming there’s US spybase in New Zealand (“Auckland” and “up north”) as well as the (minor) point about the checkboxes. But neither of those points are particularly interesting and neither had any actual proof to back them up, just claims.
Also there was nothing at all about trade partners or other countries being spied on, which is apparently what the government was afraid of.
All-in-all I think the media is going to pronounce this a damp squib.
kind of misses the point. Putting the information out online and then following up with a very good explanation (from Greenwald and to a lesser extent Snowdon) was a great strategy. I learnt a lot tonight.
Do you not think that now there are definite issues for the PM to answer to? (re the GCSB, not KDC).
Yes, but nothing that’s going to do any significant damage to his electoral chances.
this is way bigger than Key’s electoral chances.
I don’t think anything is going to do significant damage to his electoral chances. Key could be caught shooting a kitten, but all he needs to do is claim that “Labour made me to it” and (apparently) people will believe him and decide he didn’t do anything wrong.
@ weka – can’t say it means much to me if he ends up power for the next 3 years anyway.
so if too many NZers stay home and don’t vote then everything that has just been talked about is meaningless? what?
Key’s ‘electoral chances’ are in fact going down. The only way that he wins this election is with a low voter turnout. We need to stop buying into the MSM narrative.
The ‘smoking gun’ – I don’t like the term either – was that Key appears to have lied about the GCSB doing mass surveillance and about the GCSB Act not empowering/making legal such mass surveillance.
There was documented evidence to support the claim that Key misled the New Zealand public over the nature of the intelligence surveillance to which they are subject.
That’s a far worse lie than whether or not he knew Kim Dotcom prior to the raid.
+1000 Need to keep that put there.
The first hour and a half was incredible. The rest I could have done without, and I hope the first bit doesn’t get lost in the tedium of Assange or the KDC stuff later.
First time I’ve been disappointed in Harre.
@ Puddleglum: All of that ‘evidence’ was published this afternoon, and to my reading still leaves wiggleroom.
Key can say “yes the cable was tapped, but we never actually did surveillance”, which Snowden’s presentation slides don’t actually refute. All they said is that phase 1, the tapping was complete, and they were *going* to begin surveillance *after* the law enabling them to do it was published. But as Key says, the law to enable it was never passed because the law that was passed doesn’t allow for it.
Snowden didn’t have any evidence that there was mass surveillance going on beyond simply his words and recollections that it did.
That’s wrong. It’s technically impossible to stop it being done given Snowden’s explanation of how it works. Even if NZers metadata was not being looked at by the GCSB, it is still being collected through interceptions in NZ and being made available to the other 4 members. The collected information from everywhere is held in common.
The system can’t work the way it is supposed to if large portions of the internet remain untapped. ECHELON worked the same way: every member had access to all the feeds, but each would use its own dictionaries independently of the others to mine those feeds.
The GCSB can choose not to monitor NZers via XKEYSCORE, but it cannot choose not to have their metadata made available to the common pool. The NZ government is allowing NZers metadata collected in NZ by its NZ connection to be accessed by its intelligence partners, even if it does not access them itself (dubious in the extreme).
@ Tom Jackson – and the *evidence* for all of that happening is what, exactly? Snowden said that’s what happens? Does he not have any documents that corroborate that?
I really don’t know what you were expecting to see. There’s pretty much always going to be ‘wiggleroom’, simply because very very few pieces of evidence are unabled to be refuted in any way. Like I said on another thread – most things are not proven by a single smoking gun, instead they are proven to a certain degree of certainty but small incremental pieces of evidence that add up.
+1 wtl
the whole smoking gun thing is a meme that comes from our Mainstream Mediafied political sphere, and probably Hollywood tv and movies, where we need this big dramatic thing to make us all feel something Important has happened.
Have to say that I felt like something important happend tonight anyway. As Hager said, the ‘lack of smoking gun’ meme is pretty much what was said about Dirty Politics. It misses the point and is used to marginalise issues by the right.
The evidence is all the Snowden documents published over the last year or so. As for XKEYSCORE, its existence is acknowledged by the NSA. There doesn’t seem to be any really meaningful denial from the usual suspects. Even Wikipedia has an article on it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XKeyscore
All Snowden appears to me to have been saying is that this system works on the same principles as ECHELON did, and that would mean that NZ data is collected and shared.
@Lanthanide 9:34pm
Well, the GCSB seemed to think that the passing of the GCSB Act would provide them with the ability to move to phase 2 of ‘Speargun’ (why on earth are these things given codenames?)
Key was assuring New Zealanders the legislation was not aimed at allowing mass surveillance right from the very first drafting of the Act.
Yet, as the presiding minister, he must have known (a) that phase 1 had been implemented and (b) that, from the GCSB’s perspective, the metadata probes awaiting phase 2 were dependent upon him passing the legislation.
@weka & Tom Jackson:
Key said he would resign if kiwis were mass surveilled. Snowden says they were and suggests they are, but has no proof. Key won’t resign based on what we saw tonight, so it’s a grand case of over promise and under deliver. That is how the general public will see it and how the media will largely report it. This could actually end up being damaging to the left, if only by association with mana.
Do you really think that Key was ever going to resign? WHATEVER piece of evidence there was, he would have said ‘its fake’ or ‘it was just a plan, it was never implemented’ or ‘it was implemented but no one actually did any real spying’.
He has as much proof as he had in the other cases (the NSA documents). Has the NSA denied that those documents are genuine? As far as I know, they have not. Hence, the documents that describe the tapping of the cable and the GCSB waiting for the new legislation are reasonably considered genuine. Ask yourself, why would the USA be pursuing Snowden if the documents weren’t genuine?
I think you might have placed too much stock in Key’s supposed rebuttal via the release of classified GCSB documents. If you look around, the general consensus is that the programs mentioned in those documents have absolutely nothing to do with what Snowden was talking about. So you have to ask yourself why the PM released documents that to any person informed about the issue are an obvious smokescreen.
Snowden and Greenwald are already reporting from a position of credibility on this issue. The reportage on the NSA has already won a Pulitzer Prize, which would be extremely odd if their material was mere speculation, and the response of the US government demonstrates that their reporting is factual.
I’m at a loss why you can’t accept their account of things, given that they have been reporting this for over a year and nobody has managed to gainsay their credibility?
Did KDC say that or was that the Herald? Oh the Herald is a baston of truthfulness, how could the possibly get anything wrong…
Absolutely pure dead brilliant!
Wake up New Zealand. John Key is a traitor to our freedom in the pocket of the USA. And the sooner he’s shamed and leaves the country the better – odious little creep.
+1 Good succinct analysis that I agree with.
+1 exactly my feelings too
Well that cements my vote.
Yes indeed I thought the Internet party was pants before tonight now it has been confirmed that they are not only pants but mega ego retards as well.
Green all the way.
Yes sock puppet and Keys is not a megalomaniac right?
🙄
Fine, but what will the soft-centre of NZ politics make of all this? The Key-loving caramellows?
They are no doubt OK with JK watching over us. BUT :
* Are they OK with his big US brother doing it for us?
* Are they OK with him lying to us about it?
These are the questions of the week. All the rest is literature, for the politically literate.
I’m really scared now. It looks like something out of 1984. I am seriously worried about this country.
Wow.
I cared not for the Dotcom part of this evenings events. He can fuck right off.
But Snowden I have a ton of respect for, his statements were extremely concerning and chilling.
Some serious allegations raised that demand answers.
Snowden has a crystal clear brain. Knew exactly what he was talking about. NSA lost a top notch performer there. Serves them right.
It was reputed that Snowden’s work colleagues regarded him as a true genius in a work place that was full of them.
Dotcom’s lawyer Robert Amsterdam is brilliant!
a new government is just the start we need a full royal commison is to the key government not a key jack up full royal commison nothing less we have been sold down the river
Wouldn’t a Royal Commission be risky? UK is one of 5 eyes. We need to look at an independent country to run a commission
Get Scotland to do it after the weekend.
(BTW I think you’ve got the mechanics of how a Royal Commission works slightly wonky)
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11325069
Read that a few times – the cable was tapped – fact.
Well, the guy from the Cook Strait Cable (company?) claimed they had never been tapped because they would have known about it.
That comment was relayed by Mary Wilson on Checkpoint tonight – it was in response to Checkpoint’s question to them.
You just put the interception in building next door- lo and behold company has space for servers next to end point of cable in Akoranga Dr/ Northcote Rd
“Well, the guy from the Cook Strait Cable (company?) claimed they had never been tapped because they would have known about it.”
Did you hear Snowdon’s response? All other countries in the world have had their cables tapped by the NSA, how did NZ manage to not?
Yes, I did hear Snowden’s comment about that.
Now with Key confirming that it had been tapped it clearly shows that what the person from the Southern Cross Cable said was wrong (not Cook Strait, of course – my apologies).
So that’s one ‘denial’ that has been shown to be wrong/ill-founded despite being said unequivocally.
I hope someone manages a good synopsis of points of Greenwald and Snowden’s talks. Where does this go next? That’s what we have to talk about tomorrow.
We need a OIA/question on why concerns were there that it could be ‘perceived’ as mass surveillance. It obviously was mass surveillance because why adjust to a narrower focus if not. I am calling this as the bit that will drop key.
Well, this election is going to go down in history.
Never seen anything like it.
This was the biggest fizzer, as predicted. Kim even got to advertise mega.co.nz
trolebaby, you said that already.
As you just have – lol
EMPEROR KEY HAS NO CLOTHES!
NZ owes everyone tonight a massive debt of gratitude.
right on cogito.
Sounds like the shit is going down at the press conference
sorry, reverse order,
Russell Brown @publicaddress 7 mins
“In the past, Patrick, you have let New Zealanders down.” Dotcom has a go at Paddy. And now it’s over. #MoT
Retweeted by Danyl Mclauchlan
Brook Sabin @BrookSabin 8 mins
Kim Dotcom gives @patrickgowernz a lecture in journalism.
Toby Manhire @toby_etc 8 mins
That press conference extraordinary. Kim Dotcom’s instructions on media priorities – “you need to do your job”, twice – not going down well
Retweeted by Toby Manhire
Brook Sabin @BrookSabin 12 mins
This press conference is going South. Lots of yelling going on.
Danyl Mclauchlan @danylmc 11 mins
I’d give up an eternity of Assange for twenty seconds of the press conference live-streamed
Russell Brown @publicaddress 12 mins
Metro editor Simon Wilson arguing with Greenwald, accusing him of disrupting the “our democratic process”. It’s getting hot in here. #MoT
Russell Brown @publicaddress 17 mins
They’ve fucked this up. The important Snowden stuff will be trumped by the non-Dotcom reveal.
Giovanni Tiso @gtiso 14 mins
@publicaddress Yes. But a minimally competent journalism corps could look past that somehow and ask the questions that need asking.
They sounded more pissed off than searching. It was interesting to watch. Gower was kind of pissed off in the questions about that.
Pissed off at KDC, or pissed off at what was revealed before the press conference?
I would have liked it to descend into fighting. There are any number of smug journos who would be improved by a clipped ear. 😉
partial video
Interesting. Thanks. It looked like KDC got up and walked away when the email was mentioned.
Something has happened.
No I was there. The email had been raised earlier. It’d already been said several times that he was responding to the last question.
OK. Thanks, Lynn.
Did KDC or Amsterdam confirm that the email was going to be KDC’s big reveal tonight?
Well, the only fact we know of is that the I/M Party was responsible for submitting it to the privileges committee, not Kim Dotcom. That suggests Laila knows something or lacked confidence in it and made him give up on it.
I’m sure I saw him tweet in person about it earlier today, but that tweet appears to have been deleted. His retweet of the Herald story about it remains. It sounds like he’s been gagged.
That makes sense. I doubt that KDC would have been going to publish it without it having been run past his lawyers well before now.
Today may have been the first time IMP had seen it.
You’re right about the lawyers. Surely they wouldn’t let him bring it up it without proof. Perhaps KDC went off the reservation and leaked it himself despite advice, although that seems odd to me.
I can’t make any sense of it at all, really. It just seems such an obvious own goal, although KDC did downplay his reveal last week.
I read that Hone took it to privileges committee. Perhaps he put his foot down.
more vids here (of the event)
https://www.youtube.com/user/OccupyNZMedia/videos
Dirty Politics @DirtyPoliticsNZ 8 mins
Lambasting the lack of ‘smoking gun’ at #MoT sounds incredibly similar to the initial insults directed at the release of #DirtyPolitics
So, apparently the press conference has been getting fractious.
Tweet from Brook Sabin
Tweet from Russell Brown:
Funny. The NZ media do more to disrupt the democratic process than anyone else.
Yes indeed, in fact I believe some see themselves alongside our MPs and Ministers as major (albeit unelected) players.
Simon Wilson is one of our good ones tho
They got a caning on Twitter tonight.
http://a.disquscdn.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/1298/6679/original.jpg
That was a bit of a mess. It’s silly to promise that you will show that John Key lied about knowing K.com before the raid, and then not to touch that topic at all, considering evidence about it had been leaked that day. Giving the email to the privileges committee seems a sure fire way of making sure nothing is seen of it until after the election, when it will be of no use.
Waffling on in generalities about surveillance, trade and world politics was also pointless. Snowden and Greenwald kept their sections relatively specific and it worked. The others wanted to paint a big picture that wasn’t necessary and probably counterproductive. It’s symbolic of what is wrong with the Internet Party: for a party supposedly about internet rights, it’s tried to shoehorn in a list of left wing concerns that make such a small party too cumbersome and complicated to appeal to many.
+100.
Well, I agree with you about that.
It was not good that they didn’t explain re KDC’s big reveal. And I agree the second half was off and probably unecessary. But let’s not lose sight of the first half and how important it is.
It’s ok to not get the whole night perfect.
Yes. Amsterdam was interesting. But he as wondering off topic, and it blunted the impact of the other stuff.
The email slam then fizzle is strange. And strange they didn’t say very much at the MoT about it or why it went to the privileges committee instead of featuring in tonight’s MoT.
Amsterdam makes a statement about it at about 1 hr 55 mins into the video. He’s basically asking for a full enquiry, but that it won’t happen til after the election.
This got raised in the press room.
Essentially Laila said that it had been put in front of the only court that it could be – the privileges committee. Essentially the only body that can censure a MP raising this kind of stuff in the house is the house itself.
Also I think that one email is just the tip of the iceberg. It sounds like there is a whole conversation backing that. As we all know by now, when one email lands in the wrong hands then usually there are a bunch of them been copied.
I hope you’re right Lynn.
But I can’t see why they should care about Key being in trouble with parliament when it would be much more effective to release it with proof and force him into an impossible position on the eve of the election in the court of public opinion.
All that stowing it away does is make Key’s denials look credible and the email look fake (which it might well be).
although it might affect the post-election horsetrading – winston wouldn’t be all that impressed.
Tom, tomorrow will you be talking to people about KDC’s PR failure, or what Greenwald and Snowden revealed?
Look I speak for myself. I don’t think I’ll be talking to anyone about it – mainly because none of my colleagues will be voting to keep the government.
I personally believe that providing proof that the email was genuine would have been a king hit of the likes never seen before in politics. Key would have spent the rest of the week being hounded by media and the public because it would have not only been a case of lying, but of abuse of state power for political ends.
The Snowden stuff was no surprise to me. I’ve been following it since the start and I already knew about XKEYSCORE and how it worked. Since I found out about it, I assumed as a matter of course that NZ was participating. As far as I’m concerned Greenwald made a convincing case that my assumption was correct.
But people don’t care about surveillance. Politics is about personalities. Exposing Key as a jerk would do more to change the government.
Lots of people care about surveillance. Did you not see all the activity last year during the GCSB debate?
The beauty of the MoT is that it has presented some pretty complex issues in a form that is (a) accessible to non-geeks and (b) reaches the mainstream. Sure, people on the edge have been going on about this stuff for a long time. But this is different, it’s not smack bang in the faces of middle NZ. That is hugely significant beyond what happens on Saturday (and I say that as someone who believes this election is the most important one of my nearly 50 years).
I don’t think we have enough information to understand about the email yet. Sure, keep thinking about it and talking about it, but why let it distract us from where the movement and energy is today?
Not enough IMHO. The “nothing to hide; nothing to fear” nonsense is disturbingly widespread. Too many people think that spying is used solely to make John Minto’s life difficult, or to watch people like lprent’s niece (the one who doesn’t like battery chickens) and they approve of this.
This is a long term issue, and I’m pretty sure it won’t save us from another hopeless Nushunal government. But I agree it’s not going to go away unless people keep talking about it.
I suppose I don’t see the primary purpose as being affecting this particular election, though it would be awesome if it did. What I’m more interested in is how it will change the culture, and how the media will respond esp post-DP.
I also think the ‘people don’t care’ meme is self-reinforcing.
The problem is optics. He’s been promising that for months and hardly talking about the other stuff. Then it doesn’t happen.
Weird if you ask me. Perhaps they discovered that it is a fake and did this to maintain some plausibility until the election. Other than that, it makes zero sense to me.
Yes, the other stuff is incredibly important, but the average person didn’t get what they have been promised for months now – evidence that Key lied about Dotcom.
Well, they’ve half got it. But it depends on the authenticity of the email. And what happened to the affidavit?
“Yes, the other stuff is incredibly important, but the average person didn’t get what they have been promised for months now – evidence that Key lied about Dotcom.”
And this is where we are let down by the MSM. Maybe KDC and the IP made mistakes tonight, but the responsibility for conveying the important stuff is not theirs, it’s the media’s. Let’s not forget who the real enemy is here (sorry, just watched part 2 of the Hunger Games).
The whole thing started as Kim promising the evidence that Key knew who he was. Everything else was added later.
Lets hope this is marks the end of the Internet party, dotcom, laila harre et al
yeah then we can all live happily without the truth hurting our discredited liar heroes – oh why can’t we all live on PlanetKey it’s not fair 🙁
Very unlikely. The room was full and very enthusiastic. We were amongst the last to get in and the line was long behind us.
You don’t usually find groups that can fill halls like that disappearing. Note that I have about as much time for IMP as I do for NZF (very little). However I am a realist. If a party has a constituency, then they have a party. If they have a couple of reasonably easy seats to contend for, then they are likely to keep growing that constituency beyond 5%
But by all means, jerk yourself to sleep with your wee fantasy.
Can I ask, is there evidence/indication that Kim Dotcom had anything to do with that leaked email today, or is he contesting that it was his? Was that a smokescreen, and that is why he is taking issue with it?
It’s explained here:
that doesn’t really address the question of whether KDC released the email or not.
No. And they’ve glossed over the email – as with Amsterdam’s statement at the MoT. He buried a reference to it within a statement about Dirty Politics, and the need for a full investigation into the Key government.
My feeling, is something happened between a day or two ago when KDC was talking about his coming big reveal concerning his case and when Key first knew about him, and this evening. It’s a little strange.
theories floating round on twitter, maybe it’s the feeds I’m on but shame about people letting their personal needs for something get in the way of a bloody important event
1. Mostly it was the media putting that spin on it.
2. Lawyers worried about the impact on his case (said several times) would have advised against it.
3. Internet party would have wanted the big issue of mass surveillance targeted rather than a single victim.
Actually, that makes a lot of sense. Whatever the authenticity of the email, I can easily see how the whole Key/Dotcom issue was pushed into the background once Greenwald and Snowden were involved. So it makes sense that they chose to not discuss the email at the event itself, it would have just been a distraction from the more important issue of mass surveillance.
Thanks, it answers my question, that he endorses it and stands behind the assertation that Key got him into the country to extradite him, but I still don’t get why it was released by “a source” from within the Herald, and not by Dotcom himself?
I also think that it was good not to mention it tonight, as I think the focus should be on what Snowdon said, and that should be what Key needs to answer. There are a lot of GCSB issues to unpick, and am glad it didn’t get too sidetracked by KDC.
Always said it: Key is a NorteAmericano Gringo Yankey. Pretty bl**dy obvious all along. Their john is a U$ asset. 🙁
And an NZ$ liability
Is that all the convicted fraudster, the alleged rapist, the US traitor protected by dictatorial regime that shoots down civilian aircraft and hired help fronting as an impartial journalist have
God help the left, what and embarrassment, I guesse a nice little love fest for all who turned up tonight, fish and chip paper by tomorrow night. This little comedy will do more harm to the left who have totally mis read the nz populace
Your description could apply to any number of people and any number of countries – Malaysia for example.
Free advice for KDC: Under-promise and over-deliver. Not the opposite.
*Yawn*
You would actually have the gall to charge someone for that piece of nonsense?
So when people complain about foreigners interferring with our democracy, do they mean the problem is the foreign bit? ie it’s ok when the VRWC does it, because they’re all keewees.
I.m not sure how to reply to a specific person, so just chucking this in the thread. But in terms of the Southern Cross cable guys saying that they would know if the cable had been tapped, it may be that they are actually getting paid for the service.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10910701
Thanks for the link immiscible.
From the link:
“A Telecom spokesman cited the company’s contract with residential customers, which tells them it will pass on their information without permission if it believes it is legally required to do so or if it is necessary “to help maintain the law”.
Telecom Users Association chief executive Paul Brislen said revelations about US interception of internet traffic meant “we have to assume that all our communications are intercepted“.
He said internet and telecoms companies had to comply with US rules or be shut out of lucrative contracts.
Mr Brislen believed the cable from Auckland to Los Angeles was secure but said intelligence agencies would access information beyond the landing stations.“
Re tapping into fibre optic cables….
http://www.smh.com.au/it-pro/security-it/edward-snowden-reveals-tapping-of-major-australianew-zealand-undersea-telecommunications-cable-20140915-10h96v.html
“Fairfax Media has previously reported on the Australian Signals Directorate’s involvement in the X-Keyscore program and the ASD’s cooperation with Singapore’s Ministry of Defence to tap submarine cables in South East Asia.
The Australian Signals Directorate has also acquired sophisticated technology designed to tap high-speed fibre optic data cables including those that connect Australia with Asia and North America”
Well, after all that, I’m no longer an undecided voter. Thanks Kim Dotcom and Co.
The PM definitely has questions to answer following today and tonight.
Wall Street Journal:
yeah bu’ is ‘e bovvered? does ‘e look bovvered?
lol yeah he does a bit.
https://firstlook.org/theintercept/greenwald/
Great night for Key
Bring it on next Saturday , National will govern alone .
Judging by the comments on this site many of you are very disappointed .
You will see what you want to see. Meanwhile, friends I have never seen engaged in politics before are expressing their feelings on social media.
No-one likes tax-payer funded voyeurism, it seems.
Summary fromThe Guardian
New Zealand’s election campaign collided with the biggest questions of the internet age on Monday – here’s how this remarkable day went down:
Documents provided by the whistleblower Edward Snowden reveal that the New Zealand government worked to implement a secret mass surveillance program code-named “Speargun” throughout 2012 and 2013.
It followed an admission at the weekend by the New Zealand prime minister, John Key, that his government considered a mass-spying proposal after a series of cyber attacks. Key says the proposed surveillance made him “uncomfortable” and that he halted it in March 2013.
Edward Snowden has weighed in, warning New Zealanders that he was personally able to search their intercepted internet traffic while working as an NSA analyst in Hawai’i. “If you live in New Zealand, you are being watched,” he wrote.
Key responded by releasing his own declassified documents, which he says prove that no mass spying ever took place.
Snowden has appeared via live stream at Moment of Truth, an Internet party event at Auckland Town Hall intended to publicise the Speargun revelations. Snowden told the audience that the NSA’s reach extended even to Auckland, where he claimed the agency operated a spy facility.
Internet entrepreneur Kim Dotcom has pledged to end any mass surveillance of New Zealanders if he fledgling political party wins the balance of power at this Saturday’s general election. “We’ll close one of the five eyes,” Dotcom said, in reference to the intelligence-sharing agreement between Australia, the US, the UK, New Zealand and Canada.
KDC might be a clown who couldnt organise a piss up in a brewery but hes done us a service exposing this shit and the compulsive lying that’s being going on.
Snowdon was excellent tonight and Greenwald has been solid the last few days.
This is being reported in the SMH, Wall st times and Guardian ie some of the ‘eyes’ who fathom just how significant this all is. Damning for key. Let’s see you bullshit your way out of this one.
NSA Versus Yahoo, and how it operates. Yahoo fined US$250000 per day for not handing over data for Prism.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/11/yahoo-nsa-lawsuit-documents-fine-user-data-refusal
Casey Lucas @CaseyDownUnder 7 mins
The @smh coverage: very punchy, strong language, definitive statements. NZ media: lots of weasel words, “he claimed,” “he said.” #MoT
http://www.smh.com.au/it-pro/security-it/edward-snowden-reveals-tapping-of-major-australianew-zealand-undersea-telecommunications-cable-20140915-10h96v.html
Great event.
Very disappointed in the low standard of comment on both TV1 late news and Paul Henry Show. Michelle Boag was an utter embarrassment.
There needs to be a change of government, and a fresh approach.
**Vote for change on Saturday. It is more important than ever.**
An example of a PM and Leader of our country = Norm Kirk
An example of a PM who is not a leader of our country =John Key
So NSA called it Speagun and we called it CORTEX. Getting us to do CORTEX was what they called Speargun?
“he furrowed outer layer of gray matter in the cerebrum of the brain, associated with the higher brain functions, as voluntary movement, coordination of sensory information, learning and memory, and the expression of individuality.”
karol, you were 100% right in the comment yesterday about “business case”.
Why would the cost be redacted, how is that a national security issue do you think?
Because cost would be broadly indicative of how much this government is ‘into’ the whole notion, how much of the New Zealand peoples’ money this government is prepared to spend against the New Zealand people. You can bet if the figures weren’t startling they wouldn’t have been redacted. They’d be used to reinforce “Nah nah nah…….it was one element in a spectrum of matters which we killed, simple as that.”