The gun lobby fights back

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1. Sabine 1

   30 March 2019 at 12:35 pm

   oh well, i guess it is good that the white supremacist mass murderer was a law abiding gun owner until the moment he used his weapons to shoot down people by the dozens.

   we still need to have this discussion.
   • Jilly Bee 1.1

     30 March 2019 at 1:11 pm

     @ Sabine, I got the distinct impression that MS may have been referring to David Tipple, the owner of Gun City which sold 4 guns to the bloke who ran amok in Christchurch two weeks ago. Then again David Tipple isn’t exactly a law abiding citizen, so you’re probably correct with your assumption. I’m just worried that if there is too much hui and no doey the process will get stymied and grind to a halt.
     • Incognito 1.1.1

       30 March 2019 at 1:30 pm

       Correct. It is in the links in the post and also in the Tags at the top.
     • Sabine 1.1.2

       30 March 2019 at 10:17 pm

       your distinct impression is correct.

       However the point mr. tipple is making is about ‘law abiding gun owners’ and i just pointed out that the mass murderer of was a law abiding gun owner – 5 to be presice – until he choose to murder.

       thus his point about law abiding gun owners is moot. anyone who is law abiding today can break the law tomorrow, be it speeding, smoking a joint, or taking some guns downtown to go on a killing spree.
   • left_forward 1.2

     31 March 2019 at 12:18 pm

     That is indeed the point Sabine.
2. Jess NZ 2

   30 March 2019 at 1:17 pm

   We need to be loud and clear in pushing back against the ‘rushed’ or ’emotional’ narrative every time it’s pushed.

   National carried out a Select Committee investigation by firearms experts in 2016 and ignored the results. This is tragically delayed action, not rushed.
   • Sacha 2.1

     30 March 2019 at 4:54 pm

     This. The consultation has already been done. Time to get on with the law change and ignore the whining from the NRA and its local chums and useful idiots.
3. Heather Tanguay 3

   30 March 2019 at 2:24 pm

   The Thorpe Report contained numerous recommendations and the then Police Minister Paula Bennett, chose to only adopt 7 recommendations.
   The work has been done. We know what has to happen.
   While we are at it, I want to see Gun Cities advertising severely curtailed.
   • Mr Nobody 3.1

     1 April 2019 at 1:28 pm

     Hi Jess,

     The Thorpe Report came out in 1997 post the Aromoana tragedy so Bennet had no involvement with it during her review in 2017.

     One thing to keep in mind is that there were changes made to the act only last year by the Currently government which actually loosen the rules around MSSA’s.

     From Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_New_Zealand)
     “Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern oversaw recent changes which meant people didn’t need to visit their local police station to apply for permits for military style guns. Ardern was the chair of an executive committee which ushered through amendments to the Arms Regulations 2002, to allow Police to accept and process various applications concerning firearms licences and weapons transactions electronically, which were included in the Arms (Electronic Transactions) Amendment Regulations 2018[24] that were published in the Gazette on 20 December 2018, commence 28 days afterwards. Previously under the Arms Act, if someone wanted to become a gun dealer, get a firearms licence, import a restricted weapon, or get a permit to buy a military-style semi-automatic, they had to physically deliver an application to their nearest police station.

     The regulations also allow for a buyer of a restricted weapon to show that weapon to police by video call – whereas in the past they had to take it into the station.”
4. John Chapman 4

   30 March 2019 at 2:51 pm

   Tipple stands to lose a great deal of sales if semi autos remain banned. He saw the niche in the market and ruthlessly exploited it. Gun City is perhaps the only firearms retailer to push sales of semis through newspaper advertising especially AK 47 and the dirivitive SKS which he imports from China along with AR15 knock offs, piling them high and selling them cheap to the rambo wannabes who populate the outer fringes of New Zealand gun culture. The problem gun dealers have is that the majority of firearms users just want a gun for hunting and another one for pest control. They aren’t actually going to keep buying guns because if you look after them they will practically last forever – my Sako bolt action hunting rifle will almost certainly one day become my grandsons. Hence Tipples need to market semis. And there is a genuine need for them in the hands DOC Biodiversity Rangers doing pest control or the Rangers taking part in the South Island Tahr cull. Shooting from helicopters you need two shots per animal to make sure it’s a clean kill. Any future legislation can accomodate that though. I don’t personally like them because they are never SAFE with a bolt action you take out the bolt and the gun is no more dangerous than a canoe paddle. I know of at least two accidental shootings that are a direct result of poor storage of a semi being accessed by children. I’m sure the government will face down Tipple and ban the gun no one except a select few needs.
5. greywarshark 5

   30 March 2019 at 3:25 pm

   It was legal, he will say. It’s not his fault. It’s the gummint that led him astray.
   His favourite song ‘ I Didn’t Know the Gun was Loaded’ by the Andrews Sisters.
   
6. Dukeofurl 6

   30 March 2019 at 4:43 pm

   I understand it goes further than removing mssa or military style semi automatics and included ALL semi automatics that can have interchangeable magazines(excluding .22), a far larger number of guns.
   They used to be called ‘sporting configuration’ rather than MSSA
7. barry 7

   30 March 2019 at 5:27 pm

   rushed?

   The consultation has been going nearly 30 years since Aramoana. Clearly it has been too slow, as probably more than 100 lives would have been spared if the changes had been made then.
8. patricia bremner 8

   30 March 2019 at 9:28 pm

   Actually, with an attitude like his it seriously begs the question whether Tipple is “of good character”. His attitude seems rather entitled. 4 plus traffic violations tells a story.

   Anyone stopped warned, then stopped again doing that speed,, 177km per hour should have to do a defensive driving course as well as lose his licence. Tipple seems to think the rules are for other people.

   That he has begun a petition and is protecting his business is understandable, if he was selling anything but military styled guns.
   For once urgency will work for the Public, as that is what it is for. To quickly change bad dangerous law, which was looked at in depth, and not totally enacted under Paula Bennett,the Thorpe Report, 7 out of 20 recommendations.
9. Daniel Eyre 9

   30 March 2019 at 10:25 pm

   If you take a look at this petition:
   https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/petitions/document/PET_86334/petition-of-hayden-livingstone-kiwis-request-reasonable?fbclid=IwAR2BE1cMfQhsYxuCjwXCyoqKiJU4hLLHwr2w4lR9vy_AUOnD8kKHePgjopQ
   And attempt to sign it; you’ll notice that theres no compulsion for the person to sign this to even be a New Zealander. So there’s a good chance that this is being signed by a fair number of American gun nuts.
10. Sanctuary 10

    30 March 2019 at 10:56 pm

    The gun lobby is radioactive right now. Every vote they gain, they lose three.

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