The National Party attitude

Written By: - Date published: 9:25 am, July 6th, 2011 - 60 comments
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Retiring National MP John Carter has revealed that he has consumed $77K of public assets for no reason. But it’s all such a funny lark! Carter permanently housed two cars at Parliament for 16 years. Hardly drove them. When he got in trouble for using parking spaces at the expense of others, he just switched them into colleagues’ names.

Car parks aren’t free. The Dom reckons a covered car park costs $200 a month in. Adds up to $38,400 per car over 16 years. Carter’s selfishness means Parliament workers not being able to get a park themselves. Or Parliament having to supply more than it otherwise would. The insult is that he seems to think that its hilarious he got away with it. Expects us to laugh along with him.

Typical Tory.

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  1. pollywog 1
    6 July 2011 at 9:35 am

    Slashing tyres and burning out stolen cars after a joyride is some funny shit too. Maybe somone will play that joke on him just for karma’s sake.

  2. Jim Nald 2
    6 July 2011 at 9:38 am

    For him, call it entitlement and privilege –
    and wonder not why this lot
    are so quick to see
    others as bludgers;
    so quick to see
    themselves in others.

    • ianmac 2.1
      6 July 2011 at 10:04 am

      Well said Jim. A bit like Bill’s entitlement to housing allowance in Wellington or a Ministers huge “legal” running costs for a taxpayers car for her husband. Entitlement indeed. Not bludging. Oh no!

  3. Frank Macskasy 3
    6 July 2011 at 10:08 am

    Zetetic – do you have a link to this?

  4. higherstandard 4
    6 July 2011 at 10:10 am

    Typical politician add his name to the list along with English, Hone, Koru Club Carter,Anderton etc etc

  5. mickysavage 5
    6 July 2011 at 11:29 am

    Please, please can a rwnj try and justify this?
     

  6. Tigger 6
    6 July 2011 at 11:59 am

    When rich people rort the system it’s a lark. When poor people do it’s a crime.

    • Ianupnorth 6.1
      6 July 2011 at 7:45 pm

      When poor people get paid extra benefits its fraud, when the rich cook the books its called accountancy and business expenses.

  7. Rusty Shackleford 7
    6 July 2011 at 12:03 pm

    How is this a National thing? Politicians of all stripes pull this crap. Why wouldn’t they? If there is cash on the table, people tend to take it. The only logical and moral answer is to take away the cash and give it back to the people who earned it. That cash was taken from its owners by force after all.

    • felix 7.1
      6 July 2011 at 12:12 pm

      We all earned it actually Rusty.

      All of us, over many generations, building on the achievements of others, working in teams and as individuals, together and in competition, in organisations both private and public, each playing a part as cogs in the machine we call society.

      That’s how wealth is created. You’re nobody special for finding a way to extract some for yourself.

      • Rusty Shackleford 7.1.1
        6 July 2011 at 12:18 pm

        Even if that were true, how does that make it right to give it up to politicians and their cronies in well connected businesses?

        • felix 7.1.1.1
          6 July 2011 at 12:32 pm

          What do you mean “if”?

          Which part in particular do you disagree with?

          • Rusty Shackleford 7.1.1.1.1
            6 July 2011 at 12:38 pm

            It doesn’t really matter, I’m conceding the point to you but asking you to justify giving money to crooks.

            • felix 7.1.1.1.1.1
              6 July 2011 at 12:37 pm

              Nobody expects you to give money to crooks. If crooks are trying to take your money you should lay a complaint with the police.

              • Rusty Shackleford …
                6 July 2011 at 12:41 pm

                So, you endorse Carter’s actions?

                • KJT …
                  6 July 2011 at 12:40 pm

                  Those are the people you want us to vote for. Rusty.

                  • Rusty Shackleford …
                    6 July 2011 at 12:46 pm

                    I don’t vote.

                    • felix …
                      6 July 2011 at 12:45 pm

                      Because all collective action is someone stealing your pudding.

                    • Rusty Shackleford …
                      6 July 2011 at 12:51 pm

                      If it’s voluntary, I could care less. Anything that’s peaceful. Taking peoples cash under the pretense of violence is not peaceful.

                    • felix …
                      6 July 2011 at 12:51 pm

                      No-one is taking your cash, Rusty.

                      We’ve been over this above and you agreed that wealth is created by society as a whole over many generations.

                • felix …
                  6 July 2011 at 12:41 pm

                  Oh I see, it’s democracy itself you have a problem with.

                  No, I don’t approve of anything John Carter has ever done. That’s why I have never voted for him.

                  • Bored …
                    6 July 2011 at 12:56 pm

                    Jeez Felix, never voted for Carter? The Sainted Ayn would have him as a candidate for super hero status. Nothing like rorting the collective.

                  • Rusty Shackleford …
                    6 July 2011 at 1:00 pm

                    I don’t agree with you. I only conceded the point in order that you might explain why giving money to crooks is a good idea. Govt can’t add value to society pretty much by definition. How can it if all the resources it consumes come through the production of others. Sure, they build stuff, but what about the stuff that was never built? Bastiat again. http://www.econlib.org/library/Bastiat/basEss1.html

                    I agree that wealth is created across time (everything is as we only have a linear notion of time), but wealth is only created by people, not by central planning. Govt can only take wealth from one area and gives it to another. It creates nothing.

                    • felix …
                      6 July 2011 at 1:04 pm

                      So fuck off to Somalia and leave the adults to talk.

                      No point wasting any more time on you until you grow up and realise you’re part of a society.

                      p.s. you conceded the point, so you agree with the point. If you don’t then argue the point. Can’t have it both ways.

                    • Rusty Shackleford …
                      6 July 2011 at 1:08 pm

                      Can’t defend your premises, so you spout tired cliches and shut down the debate. You win! I guess.

                    • Bored …
                      6 July 2011 at 1:09 pm

                      Funny that you should harp on about wealth creation and link us to long dead economists theories on this. I was watching the creation of “wealth” from Greece. What it means is that the people who recieved zippo whilst the rich boys of Greece played fast and loose with the bankers are now to pick up the tab. The “wealth” consists of an IOU imposed upon them by their political masters and the bankers to be paid by the people.

                      Interestingly those of us with sufficiently long memories recall another long dead “economist” who solved much the same issue 2500 years ago. Solon had all debts in Athens repudiated and created the wealth we still recieve from that single action: the philosophical and the democratic heritage. Thats real long term wealth creation.

                      Time to repeat Solons wisdom worldwide.

                    • felix …
                      6 July 2011 at 1:09 pm

                      “Can’t defend your premises, so you spout tired cliches and shut down the debate. You win! I guess.”

                      No, I win because you conceded my point rather than argue it.

                    • Rusty Shackleford …
                      6 July 2011 at 1:15 pm

                      Bored, I don’t even disagree with you. However how long an economist has been dead has little to do with the validity of his argument. Euclid’s Elements is still as valid today as it was 2300 years ago. That’s what is great about the laws of economics. They are immutable across time and space. you can’t escape them no matter how hard you try. A little like geometry or physics.

                    • Rusty Shackleford …
                      6 July 2011 at 1:17 pm

                      Did I not point out to you that central planning creates no new wealth?

                    • Bored …
                      6 July 2011 at 1:20 pm

                      Rusty, long dead is fine by me. Validity is entirely another issue. As for immutable laws that implies empirical evidence that proves theories. Time and circumstance also tend to bugger up “laws”.

                    • Rusty Shackleford …
                      6 July 2011 at 1:30 pm

                      I prefer to derive laws from unfalsifiable (axiomatic) statements and draw conclusions from there. You can find stats to back up just about any hair brained scheme you can think of. Logic is irrefutable. It worked for Euclid.

  8. prism 8
    6 July 2011 at 12:11 pm

    As Jim N says woohoo and boohoo depending on your perspective. Good one Hone, you card
    (as in House of cards).

  9. deemac 9
    6 July 2011 at 12:26 pm

    in a country with a half decent media this would be a big story but as usual the NZ media are totally useless

    • Bored 9.1
      6 July 2011 at 12:52 pm

      Well spotted Deemac, its the “Murdoch” school of editorial control for the MSM, dont expect any reporting that is critical of or attacks the interests of the Right.

      PS thats why we are getting our news from the blogs like the Standard. It also explains the number of RWNJs who troll around this and other sites, they cant stand alternate views being spread.

  10. prism 10
    6 July 2011 at 12:59 pm

    Rusty Shackles –

    I don’t vote.

    Who is this poseur? Why does anyone waste time on him. He must be a drain on valuable productivity of people here. Will someone add a gag to shackle him further or swot that whining mosquito!

    • Rusty Shackleford 10.1
      6 July 2011 at 1:06 pm

      So, ya got nothn’ then? You can’t defend your premises so you want to shut down the debate? Good job.

      • Zorr 10.1.1
        6 July 2011 at 2:30 pm

        If you don’t vote then you can always say you didn’t vote for any of the corrupt politicians. But, at the same time, by virtue of not voting you also remove yourself from having a say in the government of this country. So why are you even here? This is where people who do give a shit about this country actively participate in the simplest way… discussing political viewpoints and then campaigning and voting.

        So either vote this time or fuck off.

        • Rusty Shackleford 10.1.1.1
          6 July 2011 at 2:41 pm

          “…by virtue of not voting you also remove yourself from having a say…”
          I don’t believe this logically follows the choice not to vote. You don’t have a say even if you do vote. When has one vote ever decided an election?

          • Zorr 10.1.1.1.1
            6 July 2011 at 5:19 pm

            Your vote counts. If you think a single vote should be able to change the course of an election to make it worthwhile voting, then obviously you aren’t a big fan of democracy. However there are regular cases where winning margins are less than 100 votes.

        • uke 10.1.1.2
          6 July 2011 at 2:41 pm

          ACT and Perigo party must be too left-wing.

  11. Daz 11
    6 July 2011 at 1:00 pm

    This has been going on for seventeen years, and during that period no press gallery journo has seen fit to even mention it in passing?

    What do those reef fish DO all day? And would they recognise a story if it leapt up and bit them?

    • Bored 11.1
      6 July 2011 at 1:13 pm

      Daz, the are all planning to become Parliamentary Press Secretaries on bigger bucks as a late career option, or similar spin doctors / lobbyist (guns for hire). Rocking the boat is very detrimental to aspirations.

      • Lord Zealand 11.1.1
        7 July 2011 at 10:20 am

        that is sooooo on the money Bored. I would like to address your thought crime of calling them the ‘main-stream media’ however, is it not time to use a Tru title like the “corporate media” as they are about as mainstream Aotearoa as the mcshit and lies Kiwi Burger.

  12. Tiger Mountain 12
    6 July 2011 at 1:29 pm

    The obsequious ‘Hone’ Carter has always in deed, represented Wellington in the Far North rather than the reverse which he claims far and wide to be the case. The farmers, retired and trades/business people get the Natz over the line every election up here. They would be gone for all money if the Maori TTT seat was ever incorporated into the general seat. That is another issue.

    Good riddance to Carter. Watch out for his likely Northland MP successor though, racist ex copper Mike Sabin who sold his Methcon drug consultancy a few months back and is doing the gladhanding rounds. He has a well stocked personal skeleton cupboard so the Natz may be wishing sooner rather than later that they had picked farmer Mark Tan a more 21st century type.

    Carter will enjoy his retirement job as commissioner to the Cook Islands as Northland stumbles along with no decent rail link or employment strategy. Mayor Wayne Brown has been publicly lambasting Carter recently for overseeing a law change that extends FNDC territory down to mean low tide mark so they can set speed limits on beaches. Be nice to have one more scandal to send him off appropriately.

  13. prism 13
    6 July 2011 at 3:22 pm

    Tiger M – Have you got something against speed limits on beaches? People there would generally like to enjoy themselves safe from speeding vehicles not be back to childhool safety rules to not play on the road.

    • Tiger Mountain 13.1
      6 July 2011 at 4:14 pm

      You can only say so much in a post prism, I am giving Carter a serve here as a duplicitous long term tory MP, but his recent legislative change will be actually be very useful. My partner and I started Karikari Peninsula Beachcare precisely to deal with out of control vehicle use which is now pretty cool out Tokerau way but still a major concern on ‘Te Oneroa a Tohe’ (90 mile beach) and Ahipara.

      • prism 13.1.1
        7 July 2011 at 11:16 am

        Tiger Mountain – That’s interesting – more power to your elbow. I really feel for people affected by this hazardous anomaly of beaches being deemed roads with the same speed levels as real ones. Haven’t been to Karikari Peninsula for yonks. Does it still have a wonderful deep tidal pool?

        Of course laws wouldn’t be needed, or much, if we only could restrain ourselves, as with speed. But we’re such intelligent humans that we can rationalise anything that we want to do, till somebody has to take charge.