Why the ETS Review needs to include agriculture

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1. vto 1

   25 November 2015 at 8:03 am

   everybody knows that John Key just makes shit up as he goes
   • Lanthanide 1.1

     25 November 2015 at 10:38 am

     He can always find a scientist who will say what he wants.
2. tracey 2

   25 November 2015 at 8:20 am

   The bit that rings true is IF Key thinks money can be made by cleaning up and stopping polluting, he will be in like Flynn… if it’s just about the environment, the future, our grandchildren and children…. yeah but nah
   • Sacha 2.1

     25 November 2015 at 10:47 am

     By the time other countries are banning our products because of our shameful foot-dragging, Johnny will have moved on to his next gig.
3. Corokia 3

   25 November 2015 at 8:57 am

   They say that agricultural emissions can’t be reduced yet, but what they mean is that the emissions per cow can’t be reduced yet. Why can’t the number of cows be reduced?
   It’s not as if it even makes economic sense to be dairying right now.
4. esoteric pineapples 4

   25 November 2015 at 9:12 am

   The only time the National Federated Farmers Government believes in global warming is when they use it for the incorrect argument that more irrigation will be needed. Ignoring the fact that demand actually goes up with irrigation projects putting more pressure on water supplies, especially during periods of drought.
   • Chooky 4.1

     25 November 2015 at 9:43 am

     agree with this generally…however there have been some good articles on climate change and TPP in the farmer newspapers and some individual farmers are very much aware with tree planting and QEII covenants…also there are farmers who oppose irrigation schemes which drain aquifers and reduce water tables ( some on the ECan marches)..and they are aware that dairying should not be conducted in unsuitable areas without rainfall eg Canterbury

     what is needed is leadership, direction and good stewardship of the land from government…R&D into suitable land use for climate /marketing/ markets

     where is the Labour Party on this?…they should be stalking jonkey and showing him up
5. Manuka AOR 5

   25 November 2015 at 9:22 am

   “As to the second bullet point well pretty well every other country is planning to do better than we are.”

   Even local government bodies are setting clear goals and making commitments that put our country to shame. For example, “Leading British cities have signed up to a pledge to run entirely on green energy by 2050 as local governments push for accelerated change ahead of next week’s UN climate change summit in Paris. Councils run by the opposition Labour Party including Manchester, Liverpool, Edinburgh and many London boroughs have vowed to become “100 percent clean” before 2050, in line with the commitments to be made nationally and internationally at the Paris summit.”

   “Other cities involved include Leeds, Newcastle, Glasgow and Sheffield.”

   “If met, the pledge would help reduce Britain’s carbon emissions by 10 percent, and if adopted by cities globally could “deliver cuts in carbon pollution on par with the annual output of a large economy like India,” Nandy said.” https://uk.news.yahoo.com/big-uk-cities-vow-run-green-energy-2050-152740420.html#ykIXI76
   • Bill 5.1

     25 November 2015 at 9:38 am

     The ‘if met’ is the kinda crucial bit. Watched a presentation given in Manchester on what they would have to do. Given that it was by Anderson, all the stuff I’ve alluded to below in comment 6 was stripped out and the bare science with plausible scenarios based on that science was presented.

     My take – it won’t be happening. There is neither the funding, the political will nor the public knowledge to drive it – though fine words abound at ten a penny.
6. Bill 6

   25 November 2015 at 9:32 am

   I am actually quite confident, over the next 10, 20, 30, 40, 50 years, the world will adopt so many new technologies actually our carbon footprint will reduce.”

   Unfortunately, every fucking government and every government policy unit the world over (I’d genuinely love a list of exceptions!) is spouting the same shite.

   There will be technology to suck CO2 from the air.
   There will be widespread adoption of electric cars.

   Worse, they are having that shite, and more besides, factored into climate modeling with the result that all major models – the ones that governments use to determine policy – have a huge rosy bias.
7. weka 7

   25 November 2015 at 10:14 am

   We really are a shameful apology of a country now. We’ve become the epitome of self-centred privilege and I’m alright jack.

   Thanks once again r0b for your work on this.
8. JNZ 8

   25 November 2015 at 10:49 am

   He’s also probably talking about how scientists are trying to change ruminant animals and what they eat to reduce their emissions. What could possibly go wrong?

   “NZADGGRC deputy director Dr Andy Resinger told the Herald earlier this year: “The problem right now is cows produce methane because that’s just part of how they function and we can’t change that — yet.”

   http://m.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11319545
9. Heather Grimwood 9

   25 November 2015 at 11:36 am

   Mmmmmm…I thought many of the scientists losing their jobs were working on this area.How does Key reconcile this with what he is quoted above to have said?
   • David 9.1

     25 November 2015 at 12:00 pm

     There is no need for them, the science is settled isn’t it?
   • Sabine 9.2

     25 November 2015 at 4:45 pm

     Quote:
     Agriculture contributes 48 percent of New Zealand’s carbon emissions, but Mr Key said technology to address that is not far away.

     “My scientists tell me within three to four years they are going to have nailed that.”

     ————————————————————————————————————————

     His scientists, the one that just got fired where someone elses scientists. But HIS Scientists, the one he bought, or imported, or conjured, or enslaved, or just pulls by their ponytails are gonna fix it all in 3-4 years….and now gonna watch his drive, and stuff.

     the man is a looser, and he is not even trying to hide it anymore. The only ones having a hard time with it are those that have voted several times for him, and now wake up to the petulant little fobdoodle that he is.
10. savenz 10

    25 November 2015 at 12:02 pm

    Classic

    “I am actually quite confident, over the next 10, 20, 30, 40, 50 years, the world will adopt so many new technologies actually our carbon footprint will reduce.””

    Real motivation – NOT in my lifetime will I reduce our carbon footprint!

    Yep leave it for someone else to clean up the mess and live with the consequences John, a bit like our burgeoning debt, pollution and inequality crisis….
11. shorts 11

    25 November 2015 at 12:08 pm

    scientists have already solved the problem NZ faces – we focus on the wrong sort of agriculture… you can’t mitigate this simple fact – dairy is destroying our country

    Now we just wait on the market to work its magic
    • Matthew Whitehead 11.1

      25 November 2015 at 9:24 pm

      Lol, the market’s magic is exactly what got us into this mess, and there’s no sufficient price signal on emissions or on pollution to stop intensive farming or over-dairying. Even with the price signals on dairy no longer so inflated, this still isn’t going to stop intensification of livestock farming in general.
12. Red Rosa 12

    25 November 2015 at 1:00 pm

    Has anyone quantified the farmers’ subsidy $’s for the current ETS setup?

    Way back when the ‘fart tax’ of $300 per farm was mooted, the actual cost to the taxpayer per farm, under Kyoto, was some $30 000.

    What is the per farm figure today?
13. Sabine 13

    25 November 2015 at 5:51 pm

    NZ % pure bullshit

    http://www.writehanded.org/blog/2015/11/19/nz-100-pure-bullshit/

    http://waterqualitynz.info/
14. Rosemary McDonald 14

    25 November 2015 at 7:13 pm

    In the meantime, Metservice, a State Owned Enterprise releaeses the Weather Report for the 12th August 2050
    • nadis 14.1

      26 November 2015 at 10:24 am

      The cars in 2050 look a bit shite. Hardly seem to have progressed at all from today. I thought we’d all be using driver-less Tesla anti-gravity cars.
15. b waghorn 15

    25 November 2015 at 7:40 pm

    The ets needs to be abolished it will never achieve a single thing .
    Any carbon tax that is collected should be spent directly on research to mitigate the affects of the industry that that tax came from.

    Even if a future government adds farming to an ets it will not reduces the amount of stock farmed in this country,it will just be absorbed as a cost of doing business.
16. Venezia 16

    25 November 2015 at 10:45 pm

    In the meantime the most sensible response is to Eat less meat and less dairy foods.
    • Tiro 16.1

      26 November 2015 at 8:52 pm

      So right Venezia:
      “People are more likely to back policies to curb meat eating for health and climate reasons, Chatham House survey suggests”
      http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/nov/24/meat-tax-far-less-unpalatable-than-government-thinks-research-finds?utm_source=hootsuite
17. Smilin 17

    27 November 2015 at 3:53 pm

    Yep Key is blighty weather alright rotting our spuds and our agriculture because Key isnt Mr Everything he thinks he is, somethings money cant buy but can kill a nation in the hands of pricks like him and Natcorp
    Come on NZ take these Natcorp bastards to the cleaners

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