I agree with Chris T. Chloe is like a young Helen, and somewhere down the line she will very likely have a significant role in shaping the future for many.
“John Key always wanted to be PM since he was a boy” rofl yeah right, more like when the currency trading puppet was told by his American string pulling masters.
No, its not at all Puckish Rogue. You know John key’s back story doesn’t seem to add up. Too much of a Crosby Textor fabrication maybe? and since when has anyone from the Herald, like John Roughan for instance, been honest and told the truth?
Dude you probably think 9/11 was a conspiracy, that there’s something up with chemtrails and that the moon landings were faked so I’m comfortable with you thinking theres something up with John Keys backstory
(Don’t worry about those black helicopters over your house, its totally coincidental)
Is that the best you can do? What black helicopters? And I don’t have any “9/11, chemtrails and moon landings” conspiracy theories and it’s pretty obvious that you are not “comfortable” either Puckish Rogue.
A plane ain’t a bowling ball Bill – the pins don’t destroy a ball but a plane that hits a building isn’t much more than a cloud of debris. Now I wasn’t there – don’t know everything about it – but the official story does not come close to explaining what happened.
Any particular reason you played the false analogy card?
Stuart
“WTC 7 collapsed because of fires fueled by office furnishings. It did not collapse from explosives or from diesel fuel fires.” Conspiracy theorists have long pointed to the collapse of the 47-story structure as key evidence that the U.S. government orchestrated or abetted the 9/11 attacks” http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/design/a3524/4278874/
Not remotely Bob – for your bowling ball to be a credible analogy the plane would need to be substantially intact – enough to support a hypothesis that its kinetic energy contributed materially to the collapse. High rise buildings do not collapse from office materials fires – they rarely collapse at all because fire is one of the things they are designed to withstand.
This lame chiropracter has fuck all engineering competence either, for that matter. Otherwise their takedown of NIST’s analysis would be delivered using Maths in an appropriate technical journal.
cv trying to be intellectual yet remaining idiotic is a fail – you rely on others expertise, own up to that one mate, save yourself some OAB learning which I’m sure is coming, deservedly so imo.
No Stuart, it is you who “has to do better than that”: your incompetence at reading a detailed engineering analysis (such as NIST’s report on WTC7, for example) is evidence of nothing.
Your comments clearly reveal said incompetence, in case you’re wondering.
A Popular Mechanics article that addresses none of the the anomalies the collapse raises is enough to satisfy you?
It is, as the article reports a unique event. There have been numerous high rise fires around the world and none of them caused collapses. Done any firefighting OAB? Thought not.
Do you suppose any of those buildings contained office furnishings? You know they most probably did.
To cause a structural failure of the steel encased in concrete columns requires very high temperatures. These typically do not occur for sustained periods in office block fires. The fuel is exhausted or fails to burn in such a way as to maintain the 1000 degree plus temperatures for long enough. To obtain the effect would have required the building to act somewhat like a chimney or blast furnace – blast furnaces being a contrivance invented because ordinary fires do not reach temperatures that melt steel. Had the building chimneyed video would have shown this.
The clincher is probably the conjecture about the decibel level of thermite charges – no witness reports of explosions the report claims. Human attention is a focused phemonon and people on the spot at the time may have been slightly distracted. But an engineer would look for robust physical evidence rather than bystander conjecture.
But since you’re so pro OAB – you’d better tell us something to enlighten us.
No Stuart, I’ve cited NIST’s WTC7 analysis. If you can’t demonstrate it’s flawed using appropriate engineering calculations your reckons have no standing.
I’m happy to let them speak for me in this matter.
Long on rhetoric, short on Maths. Pack a sad, Stu.
Personally, I’m pretty sure US foreign policy was a contributing factor (not as much as the lame tanties of wannabe hero boys who think daesh are the solution, but still), and the buildings collapsed exactly as the various engineering reports describe.
Can’t debate with someone too frightened to put up any evidence – but that would require you to have read and understood the NIST report. And I don’t think the NIST report is the basis of your disagreement for some reason.
Let’s be clear here – I don’t have all the evidence on 9/11 – it’s not really a big deal for me, but I have read the substance of shortcomings of the NIST report.
The first and largest is that NIST is not a professional engineering body – it was a political assemblage like FEMA, and thus it didn’t follow the kinds of processes that engineers usually would. Most specifically it had a tight timeframe to report in, whereas engineers usually want to get to the bottom of things however long that might take.
There was a lot of computer modelling – but computer modelling is not necessarily reflective of reality. Even among impartial operators there is a temptation to adjust data points until you arrive at the solution you desire – a criticism that was made of climactic models that predicted global warming.
The prevailing engineering criticism of the NIST report considers the collapse anomalous. The building imploded symetrically – this is not an easy feat to achieve – the leading experts on it, demolitions engineers, build very complex firing plans to achieve it, and their impression of film of the building is generally that it was demolished.
If it were demolished the support beams would typically be cut with thermite charges or hexagen cutting bars. This would produce the symmetrical implosion that a randomly occurring natural fire would be unlikely to replicate.
Such a demolition would leave ample chemical and particulate evidence. There is evidence of thermite microspheres consistent with demolition, but it is contested, a debate which I imagine neither of us is qualified to parse.
a criticism that was made of climactic models that predicted global warming.
Svante Arrhenius’ adjusted the data of his global circulation models until they produced warming, and that’s the reason they accurately predicted the consequences of the greenhouse effect?
Or are you talking about the models the IPCC cites, which predict the lower range of consequences?
The capacity to adjust results makes them deservedly suspect.
But the object of climactic modelling was originally to understand the interrelations of complex systems, not to produce evidentiary quality outcomes to sway a political debate.
They were useful for that. More refined models eventually become predictive and reliable – but those of us who are not climate scientists cannot determine how reliable they are.
We do better with robust concrete data like glacier shrinkage, vegetation patterns, weather event frequency and so forth.
& CV agreed – the thing about NIST is that they were a Bush creation, and Bush was not overattached to the truth, as various WMD pronouncements established.
Funny how you are confident in your opinion of NIST’s work and then fail to summarise it.
Or perhaps you’re dishonest as opposed to incompetent, in which case I suppose it’s not really funny, eh.
My personal experience of your unethical rhetoric suggests the latter, but that doesn’t really matter: Occam’s Razor provides your inability to present the Maths involved as sufficient to support the former hypothesis, and charity does the rest.
@Stuart – Svante Arrhenius published his model of the atmosphere in 1896. Everything he predicted has occurred, within the limits of accuracy provided by the model.
This is the sense of George Box’s aphorism – “all models are wrong, some are useful”.
To criticise NIST’s model as not describing the exact minutiae of the collapse of WTC7 is indicative of a fundamental misunderstanding of what models are for: they assist curiosity.
Of course, in the stupid world where engineers are in league with the Illuminatii this cuts no ice. Still, maths, eh. Got any?
But no, – I don’t have any maths on building 7. Nor do I need any.
What math explains the presence of thermite microspheres?
If they were present in large quantities as some chemists and engineers state then no amount of modelling can overturn the presumption that thermite explosives were present.
I’d love, personally, to have been in a position to check out samples for myself, but what I have is hearsay from two groups of engineers. One group has a potential political motive to support the establishment story, the other may be provocative trouble makers for all I know. Still, NIST should have done the tests.
There were the Moscow apartment bombings of 1999 as a precedent, and the buildings in the Twin Towers district were plausible targets for anarchist terrorist demolition.
To criticise NIST’s model as not describing the exact minutiae of the collapse of WTC7 is indicative of a fundamental misunderstanding of what models are for: they assist curiosity.
Actually, engineering modelling (aka simulation) is used to determine how engineering structures will perform under different loading, stress and event scenarios.
It is used to help determine many things from ‘buildability’, normal engineering performance, materials cost reduction and of course, evaluation of the design in catastrophic failure.
Yes, you are not an expert on thermite, nor iron rich spheres. That being so, see point 1 on the number of engineers who would have to be bribed forever to keep them quiet and incurious.
No, actually, yawny yawn yawn, believe whatever you like and say a prayer for poor old Schiller and the dummheit.
I think you underestimate the effect of the media consensus at the time – it was about two years before any media could look critically at anything the Bush administration did.
Whether by chance or by design Bush had the perfect situation to launch his middle eastern adventures, which at least in terms of the Iraq invasion seem not to have been justified by the events of 9/11.
No, I’m not an expert on thermite microspheres, but I could probably determine their presence or absence. This was an important historical event as well as a crime scene, I’d expect it to have been explored thoroughly – but the NIST report does not give that impression. Nor am I alone in saying so.
The bribery thing is perhaps not as clear as black and white. After a time a report tends to be accepted. You seem to claim some kind of academic mantle but your acceptance of it is based on its authority, not its content. You haven’t checked the math, and I presume no-one has bribed you. Engineers are busy, and 9/11 truth fixations are probably not career enhancing.
But something is anomalous about it being the only highrise to have collapsed due to fire. People will continue to look for evidence – and the chance that Bush manufactured this event as blithely as he manufactured Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction makes the search somewhat consequential.
Yeah I always figured that in the absence of a provenance in National Party circles in his youth that was always a bunch of Crosby Textor shit, like the salary donated to charity. No provenance, no proof. Part of the package the country was sold when Michelle Boag and The Roundtable imported him.
Yeah, he was so into politics that he can’t remember what he was thinking in ’81. Nothing apparently.
Good point – it’s good pāhekā get to nut out their side. Middle class conservation and indigenous rights have pretty much always been in conflict and with the effects of climate change being felt AND the denial of government to do actual meaningful things many people of the left will be faced with stark and uncomfortable choices and decisions. As a Māori activist I also feel the toughness of those choices and I’m her to say that are FALSE. The dicotomy is not true both can be protected but it will take a change of attitude. The one that needs to change is that indigenous rights are expendable – they arent.
marty mars, that this guy made an effort like this must be encouraging for the future don’t you think? Combine this with the generation coming through now who have been raised with far more te reo and te ao maori and the older bigotries must be beginning to disappear.
Yes it is encouraging. I hope people reach out and offer the guy a course. Imagine him coming back next election being fluent or much better than his current level.
Maybe this might be true if he actually tried. Getting “some Maori woman” in the office to translate his bio is not much of a try, and the fact it appears that he doesn’t even know this women or what she does speaks even more volumes of his mindset and level of commitment to the betterment of society.
UK, Danish military admit to air striking Syrian Government Army
The US, Brits and the Danes have admitted their involvement in a prolonged US airstrike which killed 62 Syrian Army soldiers, wounded over 100 and destroyed Syrian army equipment and installations.
The airstrike hit a Syrian Government forward operating base which had been besieged on all sides by ISIS/ISIL for the last 2 years.
Immediately after the western airstrike the militants launched an attack and overran the Syrian Government base, leading to accusations that the US had in this case acted as the ISIL airforce.
Russia immediately called for an emergency meeting of the UN Security Council; the US said that such a meeting was unnecessary and that it was a “stunt” by Russia.
Yes, after 4 attack runs over 20 minutes, the Western attack stopped. The position was then immediately overrun by an ISIS/ISIL offensive.
Do you know anyone personally who has the level of prescience and control you regularly ascribe to the US military?
Fire control is a basic element of military operations.
These attacks are monitored by NATO and the US in real time by satellite. It wasn’t some squad or platoon which was hit as a target of opportunity and then later found out to be friendly.
It was a long standing forward base.
In addition, it appears that the target would also have been reviewed and cleared by Australians, Danes and Brits.
IMO the Pentagon has wanted from day one the ceasefire Kerry signed with Lavrov a few weeks ago to fail.
It’s a fucking static base McFlock that the Syrian Government had been defending from for fucking years; the Americans have also hit Syrian forces in this same immediate area with airstrikes prior to 2016.
It’s a frontline target. Get the camera angle off by a degree when you estimate its position, it’s fucked. If nobody tells the yanks that it’s friendly, it’s fucked. If it’s misidentified as enemy rather than dodgy third party with a common enemy, it’s fucked. If the yanks fail to pass on to the controllers that it’s friendly, it’s fucked. If the controllers fuck up the fire mission or plug the wrong numbers into the gps, it’s fucked.
The don’t get targeting data from the intrinsic intelligence of the universe.
Oh, so you’re a theatre critic or a eunuch: you know what needs to be done, you can tell people where they went wrong, you know when you’ve seen it done badly, but you can’t do it yourself.
He hasn’t said anything about it, but to be fair, the various western democracies involved in the attack on Syrian government forces killed military personnel of a murderous dicatorship, while the authoritarian nationalist regime involved in the attack on an aid convoy killed humanitarian aid workers. Obviously a person is going to rate one of those incidents as much worse than the other, and CV has done his rating…
Don’t propagandise about Assad’s “murderous regime” when the West is drowning in culpability for the destruction of the Syrian state.
The basis for that “stability” you’re so keen on in Syria was the efficient and ruthless torture and murder of the Assad regime’s opponents and anyone associated with them. For my money, that warrants the term “murderous dictatorship.” Your imaginings of how the uprising against that murderous dictatorship was somehow a plot by Western governments, on the other hand, doesn’t warrant some bullshit exercise in false equivalence.
Psycho Milt, I don’t particularly give a flying fuck if in fact Assad was disappearing hundreds of protestors into his secret prison system.
The US/Saudi/Turkey/Qatar used that – and their own agent provocateurs – to provide a pretext to fuel an illegal, geopolitically motivated war of regime change via Jihadist proxies. A war which has killed 400,000 to 500,000 Syrians, displaced several million more, and left an entire country on the verge of imploding just like the other Clinton pet project, Libya.
That’s the real fucking crime here.
Maybe someone even as morally blind as you can finally figure out where the truly “murderous regimes” lie in this picture.
Imaginary crimes you’ve convinced yourself of aren’t the “real” crime when compared to actual real crimes. And I don’t need lectures on morality from someone who thinks a friendly fire incident against military personnel is a duplicitous attack that warrants a lengthy diatribe while a friendly fire incident against an aid convoy isn’t worth a mention.
So its not a real crime that the US and NATO have allowed NATO member Turkey to fund, restock, regroup and rearm head chopping Islamist fighters across Turkish borders for the last four plus years?
Thats a real crime which has caused tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of Syrian deaths.
And no mate, despite your delusions, its very real, up to and including the ISIS oil tankers crossing the Turkish border, inconvenient as these facts may be to your stupidly misplaced outrage.
UN rows back from calling attack on aid convoy as being due to an airstrike, Russia/Syria deny involvement of air forces, say that attack damage to convoy not consistent with blast damage and cratering of an airstrike.
However it seems that some people still remain too quick to swallow the over-simplified anti-Assad, anti-Russian feed of the corporate MSM
Could you tell the difference? So you rely on the guys on the ground communicating their position to you. When that has to happen through three or more seperate command structures, mistakes will be made.
the old joke from WW2 was “When the English fly over, the Germans hit the ground. When the Germans fly over, the English and Americans hit the ground. When the Americans fly over, everyone hits the ground”.
I think that the Pentagon and the White House are at loggerheads over what to do in Syria. Obama and Kerry want to leave a legacy of co-operating with the Russians to destroy ISIS/ISIL.
The Pentagon neocons refuse to have anything to do with that and are undermining the efforts of both the President and the Sec State John Kerry.
I missed the duplicity in this specific case, although given Sun Tzu’s famous dictum – the art of war is deception – it would be unusual if the Pentagon weren’t from time to time, lying.
The same is true of all the other players.
This, on the other hand, has SNAFU written all over it.
#pt: Initial reports suggest 10/20 aid trucks are totally destroyed & all staff are either wounded or dead.The convoy was to feed 78,000.— Charles Lister (@Charles_Lister) September 19, 2016
Omar Barakat the director of the Syrian Red Crescent had been killed by the bombing on a convoy of aid in western Aleppo with more than 25 barrels and rocket
If your not wealthy, chinese and donating millions to National you can fuck off, we don’t care you created a wifi network and are a extremely highly university skilled IT person who made the area connected which helps business, in fact everyone, we don’t count that sort of thing here.
Donations lady and if you havn’t got one for us you can fuck off..eh?
“Larsen originally came to New Zealand on a long term business visa with plans for a personal development business which did not work out. Instead, she got involved with community projects, including helping to get internet access for rural areas.
Larsen said the problem was although she had a degree [a PhD in telecommunications], she was not actively using that degree to earn more than $45,000 which meant she did not qualify as a skilled immigrant. ”
reporting on immigration issues is routinely utter shit. This likely has very little to do with MPs and much more to do with a failure to meet policy or a failure to carry out required steps under the visa category
in short – never believe a single article about immigration.
This will be up soon everywhere, for the fact probably that Hekia is leaving for a study of privatisation in the us under the disguise of education research..
We gonna have to pay for our kids educations soon..and on the minimum wage..
Is it time to get the AR-15 out yet, I need protection from my government..one thing the US got right maybe, just.., gun laws. I got to protect myself and kids from these psychopaths surely.
Global funding eh, so do we put our kids up for something, is that like crowd funding? Like a photo on the internet.., a stunning pic of your kid and see how much you get for it?
I could PR, Not too sure about an SKS CV, as with my deep knowledge of guns due to all the hours of gun games I play the SKS is slow and gives a high recoil.
My preferred method of cleaning out the garbage would probably be a grenade.
Or perhaps as in BattleField I could just plant a shit load of mines around the house to keep them away.
God help election time if some idiot from National happens to have the misfortune to knock at my door. I may brew up a special concoction of mine I use for the garden, you know fermented seafood that sort of thing 🙂 Give him a grenade alright.
Well as long as you have the licence and then endorsement to buy a MSSA then its all good and good luck to you though I really should let you know the authorities tend to look down on people being shot
This is one of the problems of PC linguistic imperialism – there are some gender linked behaviours that nevertheless ought to attract condemnation. Of the two I think the ‘boys with guns’ trope is the more sociopathic, but doubtless there are vicious condemnations of females that also bear the inconvenient ring of truth.
I’m not offended by you talking about my boner, I’m ackshully quite proud of my boner and I feel it should be talked about more but I am confused because I haven’t mentioned my boner on this thread
I’ve got a feeling the phrase ‘Can you reference my boner’ may become a TS go to put down in future. Definitely funnier than ‘yes, dear’.
On a more serious matter, talking about using weapons against political opponents, even with tongue in cheek, is crossing a line, people. Please take care with your words.
It’s getting bad in NZ when old hippies are getting so pissed off with the actions of the government and what this once caring land has become, that he actually experiences emotions of anger.
Declining NZ – 1st world to 5th? Stop the rot! Stop the rort!
3 Fish stocks unknown – information faulty.
MPI making deals to try and get some precise information thru observers, upsetting level playing field.
30% of catch may be thrown back – probably dead or maimed – as it is presently uneconomic to harvest.
Quota system not working for the health of sea harvest – but no 💡 to introduce newer appropriate and necessary legislation.
4 People in severe pain and left unable to work and earn after having metal-on-metal hip replacements. World recall by Johnson and Johnson (a trusted company and brand) after metalosis from the two metals cobalt and something else (my ignorance would be similar to those of the recipients who would rely on the integrity of supply
company and their specialists).
Specialists were advised about recall but government does not make it mandatory for them to advise their clients. 500 of these hip-ops supplied to NZ, about 400 used and about 25 applying to sue for their rightful share of payout from Johnson and Johnson to help with their disablement and suffering, now and almost certainly, in future. ACC rules allow suing for punitive and exemplary damages but still the decision of the Courts is needed. Don’t know why. Again ignorance would be widespread amongst all who haven’t training in this particular field of sorrows. Believed that many people still not informed about having a toxic implant inside them. E&OE
Hide had a grizzle piece in The Horrid on Sunday about how his holiday as a wee boy was ruined because of Cook Straight ferry workers’ industrial action and presumably sees all worker representation evil as a result.
Under the current government policy of floating bizarre and discredited ideas for industry and public consumption before sniffing the wind and canning said idea, unions have never had it better.
Well of course the unions would reject anything the National government said, I don’t think anyone would surprised about the teachers unions putting ideology above kids best interests
What PR? Do you actually agree that Key’s Nat government are; “putting ideology above kids best interests”? Or did you just not understand RR’s comment?
Either way does not convince me to pay heed to anything you have to say on the topic of education.
You got it round the wrong way. We’re putting childrens best interests before National Party ideology. Just remember that teachers working conditions are children’s learning conditions. Make it too hard for teachers to do their job and the children are the ones that suffer.
You have a peculiar Pink Floyd view of the world no doubt fashioned from where you get your opinions. That somehow NZ teachers are out to destroy kids.
Still no evidence of that provided by you. 99% against global funding isn’t some sort of anomaly. There could not be a greater mandate rejecting Parata’s, the current government’s, and your opinion unless it were 100%.
As You_fool describes below, how can the entire teaching profession be wrong, while one proven incompetent minister who never taught a classroom in her life, and uses google for education policy, be right?
Oh please, NCEA was the end of the world, Tomorrows Schools was the end of the world, I’m guessing it was the end of the world when NZ changed to metric and the dollar
The teaching unions default position when it comes to National or change is the same, against it (whatever it is)
NZ has slid in international rankings with all these changes. Teachers I guess want to arrest a further slide. You be the judge – it’s what you like to do.
Novapay PR – and every other lamebrained educational disaster the Gnats have come up with – stupid wasteful ideas that have not advanced education. The Gnats have long since burned any shreds of credibility they could have had with teachers and thus the unions, as democratic organisations, are obliged to oppose their every ill-conceived whim.
NCEA and Tomorrow’s Schools were both incompetent mismanagement of the education system, and so is this. It was correctly rejected by the teacher’s union.
Why not ? They are all self-optimising individuals in a free market. Just teach the “kids” how to think rationally and get the perfect information “they need” and all’s sweet. And grades achievement skills too, for “teacher’s ” sake.
How is a funding regime that will see schools having to balance numbers of teachers and support staff against ever increasing operational costs thus seeing class sizes increase and support staff numbers dropping in the children’s best interests.
What evidence do you have that National’s ideological experimentation is in childrens’ best interests? Because they say it is? There doesn’t seem to be any grounding in research of successful practice in their adoption of failed overseas trials.
The current government’s strategy toward public service is to throw any old idea at it in the hope it will stick. Where education is concerned however it’s not a case of it being broken, because the teaching and the curriculum is fine, it’s the neoliberal policy of keeping the disenfranchised crushed which makes home life in certain communities very hard for kids to study in.
No, your response here is a parroting of noted anti-worker collective shills like Slater, Hooton, Farrar, and Hide. It would be good if you could have a thought of your own once in a while.
It always surprises me that we train up people to teach our kids, ensuring that they have the best skills, knowledge and techniques to teach the next generation and then routinely ignore them on how best to actually do the job of teaching.
Yes… And may I point out to Poxish Rogue that the PPTA did NOT oppose NCEA, despite the reservations of many members. By and large PPTA has supported NCEA. PPTA does not automatically oppose every proposed change.
Poxish Rogue demonstrates an abysmal ignorance of what motivates good teachers. Engaging with their students and caring about them is the first element. And the vast majority of those good teachers belong to and support the PPTA, just to forestall the crap argument that the union is only there to protect incompetent teachers. Good teachers want to protect their students from pernicious, ideologically-based Government policies that have shown no benefits overseas, and will fight tooth and nail to do so.
Just read an article, drone with arms could lift toddler..
imaginings of dirty old pedies in raincoats lining up at hobby shops comes to mind.
I mean why do they print articles like that? Some sick Journo having a fantasy moment?
I know you know what..some jobsworth is going to have to make a law/bylaw now, stating all drones have to have a , ” CAUTION do not lift toddlers or young children, dogs cats or your grandma with this device” warning sticker placed on them.
This is part of Part One of Five by Katherine Dolan who has left NZ looking for something better.
It would be good if people could see it as from a female who feels and sees it both as a female,and a NZr who assesses that we all should expect better. And also not be like some of the commenters who look at themselves, their own family and locale which they find satisfactory, and who then reject it as being untrue. There is an opportunity to see beyond our own little personal understandings to the truth of the bigger picture.
Part one of New Zealand is no paradise: Sex, Drugs and Denial, a five-part series about growing up hating New Zealand by Katherine Dolan, written for Stuff Nation. And after being homeless in Canada, swaddled in black in Saudi Arabia and living hand to mouth in the Balkans, why do I still consider my New Zealand a uniquely lonely and uncomfortable place?
I say “my New Zealand” because the place I grew up perhaps no longer exists. I hope it doesn’t, because rural New Zealand in the 1980s and ’90s was a puritanical, misogynist, authoritarian, anti-intellectual, alcohol-dependent society that specialised in casual brutality.
I grew up in a New Zealand that worshipped the Spartan virtues: stoicism, masculinity, physical strength, group cohesion, terseness.
Pony-tail guy wields the TPP as a threat to the US in his most recent speak/slur on the world stage.
My question is if he’s that afraid of Chinese influence in the region, why doesn’t he address the massive influence of cheap, laundered, and ill-gotten Chinese money flooding into the New Zealand residential property market?
Yet again, dropped-soap guy says one thing yet does another and fails to recognise he doesn’t stand for the people of the Asia Pacific region at all.
It would be interesting to know if there has been more to this trip he is on than batting for his former enemy and parading around the UN …. maybe Bilderberg?
What I do know is the international community don’t take him seriously. Obama is on record wondering why Australia listens to him. Clark is tainted in UN circles because of her association with Key and his anti-worker government.
“What I do know is the international community don’t take him seriously”
Really? Do you have anything other than your overactive imagination to justify this, and the comments that follow this, statement?
Helen Clark certainly seemed very grateful for Key’s supporting he candidacy on TV last night? Is there something you know that she doesn’t?
Obama certainly didn’t to seem to hold the views you subscribe to when he was overheard talking to the Australian PM did he?
Obama did hold the views I subscribe to. He questioned Turnbull on wether he listened to the New Zealanders, and followed by saying Key was a great guy to play golf with. Damned by faint praise on the second part, for sure.
Fair enough that you query there Alwyn but what we’ve got here is a ‘machine’. Dear Helen, whom (for my sins) I’d re-vote for at the drop of a hat…..reasons later…..is part of that ‘machine’. “Hate and damn you today, hold you close and kiss you tomorrow.” There’s nothing as mind-altering as power/the prospect of it.
To wit, Marigold Barry when asked why she was standing in North Shore, was it?…… produced the howler that she she had “a great deal to offer……” Hmm, Hmm…..Ahem.
What is wrong with an actual train? Countless developed and developing countries use them and have used them for many decades since the beginning of the industrial revolution. They are a very efficient form of transport, local, public, and otherwise.
That New Zealand has not kept up with this technology is our own fault and one which must be paid for now.
especially if you import some steel from china that comes with a ‘good quality’ certification. Yeah, cheap must be good and practical.
in saying that, Wuppertal has had a sky gondola since the beginning of the last century, mainly due to the roads being so small that a tram or bus would not pass. its quite awesome fun taking a trip over the Wupper.
NZers always seem to choose the short-term cheap, worst option and long term most expensive option. It doesn’t help when the politicians keep telling us we can have things ever cheaper.
So 4,000+ sky cabs reaching the cbd every hour. Sorry I can’t see it. Then there’s the issue of keeping something with so many moving parts running freely. Any human error or emergency in one cab holds up the whole system and everyone is left dangling in the air. Potential nightmare scenarios are high.
Due to their simplistic design they are low maintenance.
Nonetheless, one would assume they would have procedures in place in the event of a breakdown. For example, units would have an auxiliary motor or could be pushed or towed by another unit.
Simplistic designs tend to be more low maintenance as there is generally less to go wrong.
The lifespan and overall maintenance requirements of the network itself will largely come down to the construction materials used. One would expect they will be aware of the elements, thus requirements.
It would probably be like the monorail that used to run in Sydney.
They finally scrapped it in 2013, from memory.
It was estimated to be about 40% more expensive than even light rail would have been. I think the idea that it would be “cheaper than rail” would prove to be someone’s wet dream.
Of course the cost estimate would probably be like the one some of the Wellington Regional Council candidates have. They just claim that we could have light rail at half the cost determined in an evaluation of the idea. Bloody idiots the lot of them.
No train expert here, but the big advantage to me is that you wouldn’t have to construct a rail corridor through Auckland, this could be tacked onto the side of existing roads or run up the middle.
Yep. I think public servants top salaries need to be capped at $100k. Provides a good living standard without being over the top as what we have now is.
Kermadecs and the Foreshore.
Is this just another instance of Key not having any knowledge of history. His tendency of governing in the now reflects his poor judgement. His allowing Smith to be anywhere near the Kermadecs issue in the first place would seem to bear this out. The sidelining of Smith from the Kermadec issue should not come as a surprise to many – remember the Foreshore issue and the disgraceful grandstanding of Smith and Peter Dunne in Nelson.
Wow! thanks for the link – that is definitely well worth remembering, and certainly pertinent to the current clusterfuck. Smith, needs to be as far away from this as possible.
No it has a well documented history of Polynesian settlement or use. But it was abandoned hundreds of years before European arrival. So claims of customary use are nonsense.
Well the archeology I’m aware of is that there is no evidence of regular journeys, that raoul was settled for a period by eastern Polynesians (not Maori) but it was abandoned in the 15th century. Apart from a small number of flakes of obsidian there’s no evidence of any kind of ongoing transit between nz and the kermadecs.
Eastern Polynesian was the originating culture of Maori but that does not mean the people who travelled to the kermadecs and then onto Norfolk and lord Howe islands were Maori
Four flakes, from Raoul Island in the Kermadec Group, are identical to obsidian from Mayor Island, New Zealand. The four flakes, from a Polynesian settlement site between 450 and 640 years old, provide the first clear demonstration that Polynesians who had reached New Zealand had, as Maori tradition records, some success in return voyaging…
Read atholl Anderson in ‘ Tangata whenua An illustrated history ‘ a much more recent book that contains a summary of recent research.
There he says that no archeological evidence exists of return trips to eastern Polynesia despite the wealth of new and useful materials found in NZ. The people who went to the kermadecs likely left nz soon after arrival and then went on to Norfolk Island, lord Howe island and then New South Wales. Artefacts of these travels have been found but none going back east.
Polynesian people were there. I’m told they weren’t Maori. The Prime Minister is John Key – you should get out more, try Venezuela it would suit your thinking or lack there of.
He tells too many lies. That’s why I wondered if he’s the one spoon-feeding you.
Here’s RTM from the Kermadecs thread to set you straight:
…archaeologists have found obsidian from Mayor Island in the Bay of Plenty on Raoull, the largest of the Kermadec Islands, alongside recognisably Maori artefacts…
Now you know the facts make sure not to keep spreading the lies, there’s a dearie. You could even elect not to trust your source on other matters if you were smart.
Now there’s some expert trolling, behold! Peter Jackson has certainly done all right for himself, well done him, shame he had to shaft a bunch of NZ workers to get there, & a bit disappointing he hasn’t made a decent movie in over a decade (but hey, check out that new frame rate!).
Apparently David Seymour thinks tax payers need to fund a ‘Ministry of Men’.
How about a “Ministry of Vulnerable Men’? The Chief’s players, Tony Veitch and Nikolas Delegat can lodge complaint’s there about their appalling and unfair treatment from Women and the NZ political system. (sarc.)
He does actually make some good points:
“A Few Stats
Where once women were clearly marginalised, men are now behind in most social statistics. University graduates: women 60/40. Imprisonment: men 94/6. Life expectancy: women 84/80 (non-Maori), 77/73 (Maori). Suicide rate: men 74/16. We could go on. The only significant stat running against women is income (Men 53/47)”
So women are better educated, imprisoned less, live longer, but still earn less? How does that work without omitting criteria that doesn’t suit your narrative?
What narrative? That David Seymour has a point?
We have a Ministry for Women which seems to have two primary goals, gender pay equality, and reducing violence against Women. These are two very significant social ills that need addressing, but are they any more significant than our men growing up poorly educated with high imprisonment rates (I would suggest there is a link right there) and dying younger?
Well, the first step would be to see whether other socioeconomic or demographic factors have a greater correlation and causal relationship than “men”, and whether those factors are being independantly addressed by other responsible ministries.
By just ignoring the historic and current power imbalance within society and leaping upon arbitrary gender distinctions, your narrative of “what about teh menz” is shallow, venal, self-absorbed and stupid. If a targeted effort is needed, it should target the division that causes the power imbalance that causes the negative outcomes, which does not necessarily equate to the most obvious example of division within those outcomes.
Search for the confounding variable, not the one that matches your preconceptions.
See response to Sabine below. The gender links regarding education have already been identified, perhaps the idea of a ‘Ministry for Men’ doesn’t fit your preconceptions. Or perhaps it is just because of who raised the issue…
You’re welcome to demonstrate the systemic issues that make your whinge du jour a male issue rather than a cultural or socioeconomic issue. Because domestic violence and income disparities are direct results of historic treatment and social relegation of women. But men were always the main populators of prison, for example, even when women were little more than property. Prison isn’t a male problem it’s a social problem . Addressing it as a male problem restricts the list of observable solutions.
Damn, if those pesky women would just go back to the three K’s. Kinder, Kirche, Kueche.
Surely all would be good for the poor misunderstood man that fail in all other categories other then wages. Despite being lesser educated, more often imprisoned and live shorter yet they still earn more money.
For what its worth my wife earns more then I do but its my hope that one day I can finally achieve my dream of become a kept man, living off my wifes earnings
average Puckish Rogue, on average women earn less then man. And i really hope that we don’t have to re-hash this truth.
My partner also hopes he could be a kept man, however i have been telling him for years that i started working at an earlier age (cause girls will have husbands and need no stinkn higher education 🙂 ) as he did cause he got that higher education thingy, so if anyone is to be kept it would be me. But alas, i don’t really function well when kept and having to ask for stuff. So i go to work every day 🙂 and count my pennies.
Interestingly enough even though my wife makes more then me (its not a great deal more to be completely honest) I pretty much the financial decisions in our household because, in her words, its “I trust you” and when it comes to decisions about our retirement its “I’m not interested in that, I’ll leave it up to you”
prison? so that has got nothing to do with man offending at a higher rate?
early death? maybe you want to complain to certain businesses that don’t implement safety for their workers, the forestry industry comes to mind for once.
low education? Are you saying that boys in NZ are not going to the same schools as girls? Are you saying that schools in NZ are discriminating against boys? Or may it be that boys often don’t get the support they need from their families, where as girls know that if they don’t finish schools they will never ever be anything other the a min wage slave? (the boys in my partners family who have not finished school did so cause ‘school was boring’ and ‘ i am not learning anything’ and ‘i don’t need this i can be like my dad’).
suicide: this is the one thing in NZ that always stumps me, it is such an issue and the country as a collective refuses to talk about it and do something about it. . (the mind does not understand)
Good for you Sabine, at least you are starting to ask the questions that need to be asked about the hard raw life so very many men get..
Though I do worry that there is a lack of consistency when similar such questions are put about other sectors of our population, for example your question one and Maori and prison…. we know the question is not that simple is it ….
at least the issues are getting out there though
cos you know, I don’t want to die early just because I’m male, nor go to prison – but that is the reality for us
You’re not going to die early because you’re male, or go to prison because you’re male. Statistical differences at the population level tell us nothing about particular individuals, that’s why the whole “paid 12% less because you’re a woman” thing was a crock of shit. We don’t need a “sent to prison because you’re a man” crock of shit to even things out…
but frankly do not blame the success of the girls to the failure of the boys.
or let me rephrase this, would the failure of your son be the result of your daughters success? or would you rather your daughter pretend to fail so your son could be successful?
If and when women commit more crimes and are apprehended for it they will end up in prison.
This has got nothing to do with Maori men being more likely to be arrested then white men – this has more to do with institutionalized racism, alive and very well in NZ as recent cases have shown again. btw. no girl forced that rich boy to beat a women unconscious, and no girl forced that judge to give that rich boy a slap with a very wet bus ticket.
as for you dying early, eat well, drink in moderation, laugh a lot and you may live long, do not offend, don’t piss off popo and you will not go to prison.
Again, this has got nothing to do with women.
care to comment that the women despite it all still earn less then men? or is it that men should earn more cause men? 🙂
“low education? Are you saying that boys in NZ are not going to the same schools as girls? Are you saying that schools in NZ are discriminating against boys?”
It may have a link to the ratio’s of Female/Male teachers in our system,:
“The dominant research perspective is that connected to issued of male identity formation – specifically how boys see themselves as learners. Much of the research suggests that issues of gender identity are the most significant area to understand and address in boys’ education issues. In this approach, consideration is given to how boys perceive themselves as learners in contemporary classrooms and how this translates into educational achievement.
It also claimed in some research that aspects of education are ‘feminised’ and inherently biased towards the achievement of girls” http://www.ero.govt.nz/publications/boys-education-good-practice-in-secondary-schools/introduction/
Perhaps the boys in your family were ‘bored’ and didn’t learn anything because the teaching methods being used were not conducive to their learning requirements.
This could be the root cause of why male incarceration rates and suicide rates are so high also. If you don’t feel like you fit in…if only we had a Ministry that could be researching these links further.
so who is stopping the men from educating boys? Who is stopping men from going into the teaching profession? Why not more boys only schools?
as for the teaching methods, is that the fault of girls? Or is that the fault of governments? And the fact that maybe some kids are not made for long studies? you will find if you search here that I am one who advocates for proper apprenticeships as i fully understand that not every one is made for the academics.
But is that the fault of girls?
I can’t and won’t comment on the suicide rates, as i stated above, i can not understand why NZ is refusing to have an open and honest discussion about it. Maybe it has to do with that stupid bull shit about ‘harden up’, have a beer mate ‘she’ll be alright’ attitude that is so prevalent in this country.
Maybe we should just have a Ministry for Vulnerable Humans.
But non of this has anything to do with Girls, how they do in school, how old they live and how much less they get paid then their male counterparts in equal roles.
“men don’t go into primary or early childhood education any more for obvs reasons.” – Coz the work is too hard? Can get better pay laying gravel on roads? Funny how most principals are males innit?
just sad then, how a few fuckwits have fucked it up for the men and the teaching profession. No?
I still believe that Gangnam Style reasons have more to do with it, namely that they pay is too lowly for men to even apply.
But I can see how some men may fear these accusations so much that all of the men refuse to be teachers. Especially when one considers the girls and their knobbly knees that adult male teachers must be protected from.
Primary teacher salaries
The current starting salary for a primary school teacher with a Bachelor’s teaching degree is $47,039.
Secondary teacher salaries
The current entry salary for a secondary school teacher who holds registration granted by The Education Council of Aotearoa New Zealand and a New Zealand Qualifications Framework (NZQF) Level 7 subject or specialist qualification (the qualification must have at least 72 credits at Level 7) and a recognised teaching qualification is $50,268.
so essentially there is not a lot of pay involved in teaching, despite a high level of qualification demanded.
Might it not just be that many blokes look at teaching and go nah, can’t be arsed, to hard and not enough pay.
but hey, i can see where ‘i might get accused of inapropriate behaviour’ seems like an nicer out instead of saying i am not paid enough to bother with the badly educated kids of others.
Yeah, the pay isn’t stellar ether, other reasons include.
!. low pay.
2, Mainly Woman environment
3,Accusations of kiddy fiddling
4.Seems to be very little career prospects.
5. Getting hit on by kids Mothers.
6,Looked on with suspicion by a good percentage of the public.
The only positive is the amount of holidays you get.
!. low pay. – Well maybe if men were to join the service pay would go up?
2, Mainly Woman environment – Maybe if men were to join the service it would be a mixed environment?
3,Accusations of kiddy fiddling – both men and women have been found guilty of the offense, so really that is just a cheap cop out, also cops, doctors, sales people, it people and all other sorts of people have been accused and found guilty of the offense. so maybe men should just stay at home and never leave the house without an appropriate chaperone? A mother, wife, or aunty would do. Only old women of course. Lest you get accused?
4.Seems to be very little career prospects. – principal? become Hekia Parata Minister of ‘Education’ at least you would be a Minister with teaching credentials?
5. Getting hit on by kids Mothers. – why no gay men have children in school?
6,Looked on with suspicion by a good percentage of the public. -you have a very low opinion of a. yourself, and b. the public
The only positive is the amount of holidays you get. – yei, upside.
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but the reason there are no more men in teaching is men like yourself, as it is you who would taunt the male teacher with your bogus accusations, your bogus snide remarks and your bullshit suspicion.
But it lets you blame the women for not doing their job education your son or your future son should he fail in school. Cause while a man may have been better we can fully understand why no man would want that low pay, low career option, surrounded by women, low regards type o job.
Hi m pledger, I read recently, a few essays on suicide in aotearoa.
Disconnection from community seemed to be a strong factor in suicide.
That is not to deny the part alcohol may play.
I agree with Sabine, the silence around this issue is not helping.
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Been hoping we would see something like this from Sir Geoffrey Palmer. This is excellent.The present Bill goes further than the National Development Act 1979 in stripping away procedures designed to ensure that environmental issues are properly considered. The 1979 approach was not acceptable then and this present approach is ...
He’s Got The Moxie: Only Willie Jackson possesses the credentials to meld together a new Labour message that is, at one and the same moment, staunchly working-class, union-friendly, and which speaks to the hundreds-of-thousands of urban Māori untethered to the neo-tribal capitalist elites of the Iwi Leaders Forum.IT’S ONE OF THE ...
Tree-huggers may well accuse the Government of giving them the fingers, after Energy Minister Simeon Brown announced new measures to protect powerlines from trees, rather than measures to protect trees from powerlines. It can be no coincidence, surely, that this has been announced at the same as Fisheries Minister Shane Jones ...
Willie Jackson will participate in the prestigious Oxford Union debate on Thursday, following in David Lange’s footsteps. Coincidentally, Jackson has also followed Lange’s footsteps by living in his old home in South Auckland. And like Lange, Jackson might be the sort of loud-mouth scrapper who could take over the Labour ...
Barrister Gary Judd KC’s complaint to the Regulatory Review Committee has sparked a fierce debate about the place of tikanga Māori – or Māori customs, values and spiritual beliefs – in the law.Judd opposes the New Zealand Council of Legal Education’s plans to make teaching tikanga compulsory in the legal curriculum.AUT ...
Today New Zealand First will introduce a Member’s Bill that will protect New Zealanders' right of free speech. The “Protection of Freedom of Expression Bill” will ensure that no organisation or individual, when acting within the law, is unreasonably denied use of a public venue for an organised event or ...
The Green Party unequivocally condemns the governing parties’ attempts to limit the public’s say on the controversial Māori wards legislation, after the select committee considering the legislation set a deadline for submissions of just five days. ...
Disabled children and families nationwide have recently found out they’re no longer able to use disability support funding for programmes during school hours in another quiet update from the Government. ...
Following a horrific case of stalking that ended in tragedy, Labour’s police spokesperson Ginny Andersen has drafted a bill that would add stalking to the Crimes Act. ...
The Rt Hon Winston Peters, joined by Mike King, has announced $24 million over four years for the ‘I Am Hope Foundation’, and will provide young people aged between 5 to 25 years with free mental health counselling services. This funding will help I Am Hope’s ‘Gumboot Friday’ initiative give ...
Te Pāti Māori have launched a petition to stop the repeal of Section 7AA from the Oranga Tamariki Act. This announcement comes prior to the first reading of the Section 7AA repeal bill in Parliament today. “Section 7AA forces the Government to adhere to Te Tiriti o Waitangi with respect ...
The Government has yet again failed to do the one thing that needs to happen to ensure houses can be built – commit to ongoing funding, Labour housing spokesperson Kieran McAnulty said. ...
Treasury officials have outlined many ways in which the Fast Track Approvals Bill is deeply flawed, Labour environment spokesperson Rachel Brooking says. ...
Green Party co-leaders Marama Davidson and Chlöe Swarbrick used this year's State of the Planet to call on the Government to prioritise people and planet as the delivery of the Budget approaches. A full transcript of their speeches can be found below. ...
Green Party co-leaders Marama Davidson and Chlöe Swarbrick have used their State of the Planet speeches to challenge the Government to prioritise people and planet over profit as the delivery of the Budget approaches. ...
The Government’s introduction of legislation that would enable landlords to end tenancies with no reason marks a dark day for the 1.4 million people who rent their home in Aotearoa. ...
The Minister for Mental Health has found the Suicide Prevention Office and mental health support for 111 calls slipping through his fingers, says Labour spokesperson for Mental Health Ingrid Leary. ...
Today’s justification from the Minister for Children for scrapping protections for our tamariki was either a case of ignorance or deliberate deception. ...
The Green Party says the Government’s misguided policy on gangs will fail, following the announcement of the establishment of a national gang unit and district gang disruption units to target gang activities. ...
“With Police pay negotiations still unresolved after six months in Government, Mark Mitchell has today rolled the Commissioner out for a rebrand of their approach to gang crime,” Labour police spokesperson Ginny Andersen said. ...
The Government bringing back 50 charter schools will not increase achievement and is a distraction from the core mission of the education system, Labour education spokesperson Jan Tinetti said. ...
Te Pāti Māori is showing extreme concern over the Environment Select Committees adoption of a lucky dip draw to determine hearings for the Fast Track Approvals bill. Of the 27,000 submissions, 2,900 requested to present. All organisations will be heard; however, the remaining 2,350 submitters will be subject to a ...
Today New Zealand First will introduce a Member’s Bill that will protect women’s spaces. The ‘Fair Access to Bathrooms Bill’ will require, primarily in the interest and safety of women and girls, that all new non-domestic publicly accessible buildings provide separate, clearly demarcated, unisex and single sex bathrooms. This Bill ...
The Green Party is welcoming Climate Change Minister Simon Watts’ continuation of Hon. James Shaw’s cross-party work on climate adaptation, now in the form of a Finance and Expenditure Committee Inquiry. ...
The National Government plans to cut 390 jobs at ACC, including roles in the areas of prevention of sexual violence, road safety and workplace safety. ...
The Government has been caught in opposition to evidence once again as it looks to usher in tried, tested and failed work seminar obligations for job-seeking beneficiaries. ...
The Green Party is welcoming the announcement by the Minister Responsible for RMA Reform Chris Bishop to approve most of the Wellington City Council’s District Plan recommendations. ...
David Seymour has failed to get the sweeping cuts he wanted to the free and healthy school lunch programme, Labour education spokesperson Jan Tinetti said. ...
Hon Willie Jackson has been invited by the Oxford Union to debate the motion “This House Believes British Museums are not Very British’ on May 23rd. ...
Over the next four years, Budget 24 will support the training and recruitment of 1,500 teachers into the workforce, Education Minister Erica Stanford announced today. “To raise achievement and develop a world leading education system we’re investing nearly $53 million over four years to attract, train and retain our valued ...
1. New Zealand Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Foreign Affairs Rt Hon Winston Peters; Minister of Health and Minister for Pacific Peoples Hon Dr Shane Reti; and Minister for Climate Change Hon Simon Watts hosted Cook Islands Minister of Foreign Affairs and Immigration Hon Tingika Elikana and Minister of Health Hon Vainetutai Rose Toki-Brown on 24 May ...
The Government has approved two-year extensions for four New Zealand Defence Force deployments to the Middle East and Africa, Defence Minister Judith Collins and Foreign Minister Winston Peters announced today. “These deployments are long-standing New Zealand commitments, which reflect our ongoing interest in promoting peace and stability, and making active ...
The Climate Change Commission Chair, Dr Rod Carr, has confirmed his plans to retire at the end of his term later this year, Climate Change Minister Simon Watts says. “Prior to the election, Dr Carr advised me he would be retiring when his term concluded. Dr Rod Carr has led ...
Nine highly respected experts have been appointed to the inaugural board of the new Integrity Sport and Recreation Commission, Sport & Recreation Minister Chris Bishop says. “The Integrity Sport and Recreation Commission is a new independent Crown entity which was established under the Integrity Sport and Recreation Act last year, ...
Foreign Minister Winston Peters confirmed today that Vote Foreign Affairs in Budget 2024 will balance two crucial priorities of the Coalition Government. While Budget 2024 reflects the constrained fiscal environment, the Government also recognises the critical role MFAT plays in keeping New Zealanders safe and prosperous. “Consistent with ...
New social housing funding in Budget 2024 will ensure the Government can continue supporting more families into warm, dry homes from July 2025, Housing Ministers Chris Bishop and Tama Potaka say. “Earlier this week I was proud to announce that Budget 2024 allocates $140 million to fund 1,500 new social ...
Introduction Today, we are sharing a red-letter occasion. A Blackball event on hallowed ground. Today we underscore the importance of our mineral estate. A reminder that our natural resource sector has much to offer. Such a contribution will not come to pass without investment. However, more than money is needed. ...
Increasing national and regional prosperity, providing the minerals needed for new technology and the clean energy transition, and doubling the value of minerals exports are the bold aims of the Government’s vision for the minerals sector. Resources Minister Shane Jones today launched a draft strategy for the minerals sector in ...
The coalition Government’s legislation to restore the rights of communities to determine whether to introduce Māori wards has passed its first reading in Parliament, Local Government Minister Simeon Brown says. “Divisive changes introduced by the previous government denied local communities the ability to determine whether to establish Māori wards.” The ...
The coalition Government has today introduced legislation to slash the tangle of red and green tape throttling some of New Zealand’s key sectors, including farming, mining and other primary industries. RMA Reform Minister Chris Bishop says the Government is committed to unlocking development and investment while ensuring the environment is ...
The decision by Environmental Protection Authority (EPA) to approve the continued use of hydrogen cyanamide, known as Hi-Cane, has been welcomed by Environment Minister Penny Simmonds and Agriculture Minister Todd McClay. “The EPA decision introduces appropriate environmental safeguards which will allow kiwifruit and other growers to use Hi-Cane responsibly,” Ms ...
Kia ora, Ngā mihi nui ki a koutou kātoa Tāmaki Herenga Waka, Tāmaki Herenga tangata Ngā mihi ki ngā mana whenua o tēnei rohe Ngāti Whātua ō Ōrākei me nga iwi kātoa kua tae mai. Mauriora. Greetings everyone. Thank you to the EMA for hosting this event. Let me acknowledge ...
The coalition Government is investing in social housing for New Zealanders who are most in need of a warm dry home, Housing Minister Chris Bishop says. Budget 2024 will allocate $140 million in new funding for 1,500 new social housing places to be provided by Community Housing Providers (CHPs), not ...
Thousands more young New Zealanders will have better access to mental health services as the Government delivers on its commitment to fund the Gumboot Friday initiative, says Deputy Prime Minister Winston Peters and Mental Health Minister Matt Doocey. “Budget 2024 will provide $24 million over four years to contract the ...
The Coalition Government’s Residential Tenancies Amendment Bill, which will improve tenancy laws and help increase the supply of rental properties, has passed its first reading in Parliament says Housing Minister Chris Bishop. “The Bill proposes much-needed changes to the Residential Tenancies Act 1986 that will remove barriers to increasing private ...
Standing here in Cassino War Cemetery, among the graves looking up at the beautiful Abbey of Montecassino, it is hard to imagine the utter devastation left behind by the battles which ended here in May 1944. Hundreds of thousands of shells and bombs of every description left nothing but piled ...
I present a legislative statement on the Oranga Tamariki (Repeal of Section 7AA) Amendment Bill Mr. Speaker, I move that the Oranga Tamariki (Repeal of Section 7AA) Amendment Bill be now read a first time. I nominate the Social Services and Community Committee to consider the Bill. Thank you, Mr. ...
The Bill to repeal Section 7AA of the Oranga Tamariki Act has had its first reading in Parliament today. The Bill reaffirms the Coalition Government’s commitment to the care and safety of children in care, says Minister for Children Karen Chhour. “When I became the Minister for Children, I made ...
Kia ora koutou, good morning, and zao shang hao. Thank you Fran for the opportunity to speak at the 2024 China Business Summit – it’s great to be here today. I’d also like to acknowledge: Simon Bridges - CEO of the Auckland Chamber of Commerce. His Excellency Ambassador - Wang ...
Foreign Minister Winston Peters has confirmed a New Zealand Government plane will head to New Caledonia in the next hour in the first in a series of proposed flights to begin bringing New Zealanders home. “New Zealanders in New Caledonia have faced a challenging few days - and bringing ...
Foreign Minister Winston Peters has confirmed a New Zealand Government plane will head to New Caledonia in the next hour in the first in a series of proposed flights to begin bringing New Zealanders home. “New Zealanders in New Caledonia have faced a challenging few days - and bringing them ...
The Coalition Government will introduce legislation this year that will enable roadside drug testing as part of our commitment to improve road safety and restore law and order, Transport Minister Simeon Brown says. “Alcohol and drugs are the number one contributing factor in fatal road crashes in New Zealand. In ...
The Government has announced a series of immediate actions in response to the independent review of Kāinga Ora – Homes and Communities, Housing Minister Chris Bishop says. “Kāinga Ora is a large and important Crown entity, with assets of $45 billion and over $2.5 billion of expenditure each year. It ...
Associate Health Minister David Seymour is pleased that Pseudoephedrine can now be purchased by the general public to protect them from winter illness, after the coalition government worked swiftly to change the law and oversaw a fast approval process by Medsafe. “Pharmacies are now putting the medicines back on their ...
Tēnā koutou katoa. Da jia hao. Good morning everyone. Prime Minister Luxon, your excellency, a great friend of New Zealand and my friend Ambassador Wang, Mayor of what he tells me is the best city in New Zealand, Wayne Brown, the highly respected Fran O’Sullivan, Champion of the Auckland business ...
Energy Minister Simeon Brown has announced that the Government will make it easier for lines firms to take action to remove vegetation from obstructing local powerlines. The change will ensure greater security of electricity supply in local communities, particularly during severe weather events. “Trees or parts of trees falling on ...
Wairarapa Moana ki Pouakani were the top winners at this year’s Ahuwhenua Trophy awards recognising the best in Māori dairy farming. Māori Development Minister Tama Potaka announced the winners and congratulated runners-up, Whakatōhea Māori Trust Board, at an awards celebration also attended by Prime Minister Christopher Luxon and Finance Minister ...
"On the 27th of March, I sought assurances from the Chief Executive, Department of Internal Affairs, that the Department’s correct processes and policies had been followed in regards to a passport application which received media attention,” says Minister of Internal Affairs Brooke van Velden. “I raised my concerns after being ...
Attorney-General Judith Collins has announced the appointment of three new District Court Judges, to replace Judges who have recently retired. Peter James Davey of Auckland has been appointed a District Court Judge with a jury jurisdiction to be based at Whangarei. Mr Davey initially started work as a law clerk/solicitor with ...
Associate Education Minister David Seymour is calling on the Post Primary Teachers’ Association (PPTA) to put ideology to the side and focus on students’ learning, in reaction to the union holding paid teacher meetings across New Zealand about charter schools. “The PPTA is disrupting schools up and down the ...
Commerce and Consumer Affairs Minister Andrew Bayly today announced the appointment of Craig Stobo as the new chair of the Financial Markets Authority (FMA). Mr Stobo takes over from Mark Todd, whose term expired at the end of April. Mr Stobo’s appointment is for a five-year term. “The FMA plays ...
Surf Life Saving New Zealand and Coastguard New Zealand will continue to be able to keep people safe in, on, and around the water following a funding boost of $63.644 million over four years, Transport Minister Simeon Brown and Associate Transport Minister Matt Doocey say. “Heading to the beach for ...
New Zealand and Tuvalu have reaffirmed their close relationship, Foreign Affairs Minister Winston Peters says. “New Zealand is committed to working with Tuvalu on a shared vision of resilience, prosperity and security, in close concert with Australia,” says Mr Peters, who last visited Tuvalu in 2019. “It is my pleasure ...
New Zealand is gravely concerned about the situation in New Caledonia, Foreign Minister Winston Peters says. “The escalating situation and violent protests in Nouméa are of serious concern across the Pacific Islands region,” Mr Peters says. “The immediate priority must be for all sides to take steps to de-escalate the ...
Prime Minister Christopher Luxon met today with Samoa’s O le Ao o le Malo, Afioga Tuimalealiifano Vaaletoa Sualauvi II, who is making a State Visit to New Zealand. “His Highness and I reflected on our two countries’ extensive community links, with Samoan–New Zealanders contributing to all areas of our national ...
Transport Minister Simeon Brown has announced that he has approved Waiheke Island ferry operator Island Direct to be eligible for SuperGold Card funding, paving the way for a commercial agreement to bring the operator into the scheme. “Island Direct started operating in November 2023, offering an additional option for people ...
Foreign Minister Winston Peters today announced further sanctions on 28 individuals and 14 entities providing military and strategic support for Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. “Russia is directly supported by its military-industrial complex in its illegal aggression against Ukraine, attacking its sovereignty and territorial integrity. New Zealand condemns all entities and ...
A year on from the tragedy at Loafers Lodge, the Government is working hard to improve building fire safety, Building and Construction Minister Chris Penk says. “I want to share my sincere condolences with the families and friends of the victims on the anniversary of the tragic fire at Loafers ...
Ka nui te mihi kia koutou. Kia ora and good afternoon, everyone. Thank you so much for having me here in the lead up to my Government’s first Budget. Before I get started can I acknowledge: Simon Bridges – Auckland Business Chamber CEO. Steve Jurkovich – Kiwibank CEO. Kids born ...
Asia Pacific Report A West Papuan independence group has condemned French “modern-day colonialism in action” in Kanaky New Caledonia and urged indigenous leaders to “fight on”. In a statement to the Kanak pro-independence leadership, exiled United Liberation Movement for West Papua (ULMWP) president Benny Wenda said the proposed electoral changes ...
“The situation in Gaza is desperate,” Will Alexander said. “It’s obvious to everyone that if Christopher Luxon truly cared, our government could do a lot more.” ...
ANALYSIS:By Nicole George, The University of Queensland New Caledonia’s capital city, Nouméa, has endured widespread violent rioting over the past three days. This crisis intensified rapidly, taking local authorities by surprise. Peaceful protests had been occurring across the country in the preceding weeks as the French National Assembly in ...
EDITORIAL:By Fred Wesley, editor-in-chief of The Fiji Times So 40 Fiji members of Parliament voted in favour of the Special Committee on Emoluments Report on the review of MPs’ salaries, allowances and benefits in Parliament on Friday. Now that’s not going down well with the masses, with many venting ...
First Hovel Grant Bishop Chris ventured out of the High Keep For his annual tour of the slums of the Holey Land. His litter bearers held his palanquin high Above the muck strewn and dilapidated alleys Of the Capital. The menials and peons swarmed around And pleaded for Alms from ...
Opinion: Following France’s President Emmanuel Macron’s visit to New Caledonia on Thursday, attention has turned to the country’s political future beyond the ongoing crisis. The uprising, which began on May 14, has demonstrated the capacity and determination of those involved to shut down the country and to inflict extensive economic ...
Asia Pacific ReportBy a Kanak from Aotearoa New Zealand in Kanaky I’ve been trying to feel cool and nice on this beautiful sunny day in Kanaky. But it has already been spoiled by President Emmanuel Macron’s flashy day-long visit on Thursday. Currently special French military forces are trying to ...
RNZ Pacific The survivors of a massive landslide in a remote village in Papua New Guinea’s highlands are still waiting for official help, more than 24 hours after the disaster. Hundreds are feared dead in Yambali village in Enga province after the landslide bulldozed homes and buried families alive early ...
By Miriam Zarriga in Port Moresby The United States has said it is “ready to lend a helping hand” to the people of Mulitaka, Enga province, after a devasting landslide swallowed an entire village in Papua New Guinea’s highlands yesterday. US President Joe Biden and his wife said in a ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Michelle Grattan, Professorial Fellow, University of Canberra Housing remains one of Australia’s most pressing issues in both state and federal politics. The RBA keeping rates up and high mortgage repayments have left many Australians struggling. For those Australians who don’t own a ...
This plan lacks any thought on how to drive New Zealand forward. Giving away rare minerals owned by every New Zealander for a measly return of 2.1% to the crown last year is simply ludicrous. ...
A West Coast conservation leader is lodging a complaint with Police after an officer barred her from a public meeting in Blackball, called by Resources Minister Shane Jones. The NZ First politician was in the historic coal-mining town on Thursday to launch the Government’s new draft minerals strategy, promising to ...
Editor Madeleine Chapman meets an old rival and wonders what could’ve been. Mōrena and welcome to The Weekend, where dreams and regrets have time and space to flower. What’s the thing in your life that you wish you had given more energy to? It could be a relationship, an exam, ...
This year, Tori Peeters will compete at the Paris Olympics in the javelin. Ten years ago, Madeleine Chapman thought she might be in the same position. She talks to Peeters about what it takes to go all the way and mulls her own life decisions in the process.No New ...
The star of High Country talks Tinkerbell, her love for Hawkeye Pierce and why a 98-year-old environmentalist is the most stylish man on television. Sara Wiseman has been a fixture on New Zealand television screens for nearly three decades. First appearing in Hercules and Xena Warrior Princess during the mid ...
Alex Casey takes a trip to Lincoln to visit the only couple from the first season of Married at First Sight NZ that’s still together. To cross the threshold into Brett and Angel’s marital abode is to be greeted with a welcome that sums up the MAFSNZ season one golden ...
In a new weekly interview series, we ask a different local artist to curate their dream weekend soundtrack. First up: Troy Kingi. Troy Kingi is a man on a well-documented mission to make 10 albums, in 10 genres, over 10 years. But finding himself creatively blocked while making his eighth ...
Reflections on a childhood split across Hong Kong and Auckland. The Sunday Essay is made possible thanks to the support of Creative New Zealand.I arrive in Hong Kong with my mother in the middle of summer. t’s not a good time to travel here, she tells me. It’s June. We’re ...
Pacific Media Watch Pro-Palestinian protesters dressed in blue “press” vests tonight staged a vigil calling on New Zealand journalists to show solidarity with the media of Gaza who have suffered the highest death toll in any war. They staged the vigil at the Viaduct venue of NZ’s annual Voyager Media ...
Opinion: Outside my house, the autumn breeze blows crisp leaves off trees and leaks through the gap in my ranchslider while I slump on my couch listening to our CEO announcing our restructure. With many ums and ahs, he reads his script, talking of “prioritisation,” “working differently,” and “reconceiving the ...
Just days after Taiwan’s new president called on China to stop making threats, Beijing has launched “punishment” military drills around the island. Everyone was watching to see what China’s reaction to the swearing in of President William Lai Ching-te would be. On Thursday night we found out. China had already ...
For the past six weeks Annie has been sleeping with a teacher named Patrick Drury. Twice he has tried to call it an affair. Twice she has considered correcting him. But she likes how he looks when he says it. She likes that he’s older than her. That he’s recently ...
MONDAY Fast-Track Jones stood in the shade beneath an awning of a train station and waited for the 3:10 to Blackball. He narrowed his eyes and studied the view. A water tower. A windmill. A cattle fence. All else was empty land. Locomotive smoke rose over the horizon. The 3:10 ...
A groundbreaking investigative podcast into the death of Gore three-year-old Lachie Jones has won Melanie Reid and Bonnie Sumner two notable awards at the Voyager Media Awards. Their in-depth reporting and nine-part first season of The Boy in the Water, which led to the case being reopened twice and preceded ...
By Eleisha Foon, RNZ Pacific senior journalist Scores of people have died in a huge landslide which has struck a remote village in the Papua New Guinean highlands. The landslide reportedly hit Yambali village in Enga Province, about 600 km north-west of Port Moresby. The landslip has buried homes and ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Lara Herrero, Research Leader in Virology and Infectious Disease, Griffith University Red-Diamond/Shutterstock We’ve now been living with COVID for well over four years. Although there’s still much to learn about SARS-CoV-2 (the virus that causes COVID) at least one thing seems ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Clive Schofield, Professor, Australian National Centre for Ocean Resources and Security (ANCORS), University of Wollongong The International Tribunal for the Law of the Sea has found countries are obliged to protect the oceans from climate change impacts under the law of the ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Rebecca McGirr, Postdoctoral research fellow, Australian National University Bernhard Staehli/Shutterstock Imagine you’re standing near the edge of the Antarctic Ice Sheet, gazing out over the ocean, when the ice near you starts to melt very rapidly. A surge of meltwater flows ...
The Finance Minister prepares to present one of the most difficult budgets, National MP David MacLeod gets himself into trouble and the First Home Buyers Grant is scrapped. ...
The Iranian Solidarity Group NZ met with Minister For Foreign Affairs Rt. Hon. Winston Peters, urging the NZ government to designate the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (the IRGC) as a terrorist organisation. The group continues to advocate for justice ...
On 24th May, 6pm, Palestinian journalists covering Gaza will be honoured in a silent and visually impactful vigil outside Shed 10, 89 Quay Street, Auckland, where the Voyager Media Awards are being held. ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Tim Harcourt, Industry Professor and Chief Economist, University of Technology Sydney This should be a golden age for Australian soccer. After all, the big picture is good: the Matildas are waltzing, the Socceroos are well supported and Australia was just awarded hosting ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Ben Wellings, Associate Professor in Politics and International Relations, Monash University Assuming a Labour win in the UK general election – always a risky assumption given Labour’s proclivity for snatching defeat from the jaws of victory – the “Global Britain” bombast emanating ...
The community group People Against Prisons Aotearoa is holding a protest against mass incarceration tomorrow against the Government’s proposed expansion of Waikeria prison. ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By T.J. Thomson, Senior Lecturer in Visual Communication & Digital Media, RMIT University Shutterstock OpenAI, the makers of ChatGPT, and News Corp, the international media conglomerate, have signed a deal that will let OpenAI use and learn from News Corp’s content. In ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Jaimon Kelly, Senior Research Fellow in Telehealth delivered health services, The University of Queensland Shutterstock/Nils Versemann For many Australians the emergency department (ED) is the physical and emblematic front door to accessing urgent health-care services. But health-care services are evolving rapidly ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Rebecca Trelease, Senior Lecturer in Communication Studies, Auckland University of Technology Getty Images Following the hugely successful recent season of Married At First Sight (MAFS) Australia, fans of the format – and the reality romance genre in general – will be ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Dominic Redfern, Associate Professor, School of Art, RMIT University We Are All Unique by Universal Everything commissioned by Hyundai Motorstudio Senayan Park in Beings at ACMI.Image by Michelle Tran At this week’s launch of Beings by Universal Everything, ACMI board member ...
As Married at First Sight New Zealand returns to our screens this Sunday, Tara Ward speaks to the show’s new relationship experts about what lies ahead. This is an excerpt from our weekly pop culture newsletter Rec Room. Sign up here. John Aiken is teasing Jo Robertson about her cup of ...
A new poem by Wellington writer Erin Donohue. The body’s score Here is what happens if you starve yourself for years. Your body will forget herself. She will have to learn new how a heart beats and she will not get it right. She will need MRIs and a quiet ...
The only published and available best-selling indie book chart in New Zealand is the top 10 sales list recorded every week at Unity Books’ stores in High St, Auckland, and Willis St, Wellington.AUCKLAND1 Before the Coffee Gets Cold by Toshikazu Kawaguchi (Picador, $25)A charming, smash-hit book about ...
COMMENTARY:By Eugene Doyle “Only the struggle counts . . . death is nothing.” Éloi Machoro — “the Che Guevara of the Pacific” — said this shortly before he was gunned down by a French sniper on 12 January 1985. Machoro, one of the leaders of the newly-formed FLNKS (Kanak ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Alexandra Wake, Associate Professor, Journalism, RMIT University Photo by Andrea Piacquadio/Pexels The news media play a vital role in shaping the public conversation and covering complex issues such as war, the economy, climate change and technology. Yet our new research ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Aviroop Gupta, PhD Candidate, Curtin University Narendra Modi’s right-wing Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) has resorted to religious polarisation as it tries to rally its Hindu nationalist base in India’s ongoing general election, which ends on June 1. Just days after voting started ...
Lana Walters’ new show is playing in Auckland for the NZ International Comedy Festival. Madeleine Holden (a parent) and Liv Sisson (not) went along to review. I hadn’t heard of comedian Lana Walters until a colleague posted the following message in one of The Spinoff’s Slack channels: “Has anyone been ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Paola A. Magni, Associate Professor of Forensic Science, Murdoch University Microgen / Shutterstock When you think of a criminal investigation, you might picture detectives meticulously collecting and analysing evidence found at the scene: weapons, biological fluids, footprints and fingerprints. However, this ...
Recent price falls in the New Zealand market for carbon credits leaves the Government facing the prospect of a significant loss of revenue from carbon auctions this year. The March financial statements from Treasury highlight lower-than-expected revenue ...
ANALYSIS:By Patrick Decloitre, RNZ Pacific correspondent French Pacific desk French President Emmanuel Macron has ended a meeting-packed whirlwind day in New Caledonia with back-to-back sessions including opposing leaders in the French Pacific territory. Macron left New Caledonia this morning, leaving some members of his entourage to deal with details ...
"The government's 'Draft Mineral Strategy' released this week by Minister for Resources Shane Jones is a disaster in the making for the environment, the climate and people as more and more rural communities will have to battle these companies ...
Behind the pretty flower beds at Auckland Botanic Gardens, conservation mahi is under way for the region’s 357 threatened plants. This is an excerpt from our weekly environmental newsletter Future Proof. Sign up here. At Auckland Botanic Gardens, conservation specialist Ella Rawcliffe has been trying to plant a seed that’s smaller ...
One financial hopeful looks to MPs for inspiration on how to be savvy with money.As a person whose search history includes “easy ways to make money” and “what should I do with $1,000 savings”, my interest was piqued when parliament released the pecuniary interests register this week. Since 2005, ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Barbara Mintzes, Professor, School of Pharmacy and Charles Perkins Centre, University of Sydney Monster Ztudio/Shutterstock Drug companies are paying Australian doctors millions of dollars a year to fly to overseas conferences and meetings, give talks to other doctors, and to serve ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Trivess Moore, Associate Professor, School of Property, Construction and Project Management, RMIT University The Victorian government is planning Australia’s largest urban renewal project. The plan is to knock down and rebuild 44 large public housing towers in Melbourne. The government says these ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Karen Scott, Professor in Law, University of Canterbury Christian Charisius/dpa/Getty Images In a significant development for small island nations threatened by rising seas, the International Tribunal for the Law of the Sea (ITLOS) has found greenhouse gases constitute marine pollution. The ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Pi-Shen Seet, Professor of Entrepreneurship and Innovation, Edith Cowan University William Fortunato/Pexels Entrepreneurs are the lifeblood of any innovative economy. New business creation has been shown to have a significant and positive impact on economic growth, innovation and job creation. ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Treena Clark, Chancellor’s Postdoctoral Indigenous Research Fellow, Faculty of Design, Architecture and Building, University of Technology Sydney Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander readers are advised that this article contains names, images and stories of deceased people. Around the world, fashion researchers, ...
Gumboot Friday pocketed a significant budget boost this week, writes Stewart Sowman-Lund in this extract from The Bulletin, but concerns have been raised over transparency. To receive The Bulletin in full each weekday, sign up here. ...
Keith Olbermann on Trump, – 176 remarks by the US Republican presidential nominee.
http://www.vox.com/2016/9/14/12919744/trump-keith-olbermann
Reporter Chris Chang interviews 22-year-old Chloe Swarbrick who wants to be the mayor of Auckland.
http://tvnz.co.nz/q-and-a-news/chloe-swarbrick-wants-auckland-s-top-job-video-6493381
Build The Surge For Chloe Swarbrick!
Chris Trotter
http://thedailyblog.co.nz/2016/09/19/build-the-surge-for-chloe-swarbrick/
I agree with Chris T. Chloe is like a young Helen, and somewhere down the line she will very likely have a significant role in shaping the future for many.
A 22 year old who wants to be Mayor of Auckland, how horrific.
Well, John Key always wanted to be PM since he was a boy. Why not support those who want political power ahead of all else?
I have to agree cv. Not about the power bit.
Not so sure about Chloe’s pro development endorsements. Her policy reads like the Young Natz on the property development roundtable.
“John Key always wanted to be PM since he was a boy” rofl yeah right, more like when the currency trading puppet was told by his American string pulling masters.
Yes because the very idea of someone having a previous career before becoming a politician is so unbelievable these days
No, its not at all Puckish Rogue. You know John key’s back story doesn’t seem to add up. Too much of a Crosby Textor fabrication maybe? and since when has anyone from the Herald, like John Roughan for instance, been honest and told the truth?
Dude you probably think 9/11 was a conspiracy, that there’s something up with chemtrails and that the moon landings were faked so I’m comfortable with you thinking theres something up with John Keys backstory
(Don’t worry about those black helicopters over your house, its totally coincidental)
Is that the best you can do? What black helicopters? And I don’t have any “9/11, chemtrails and moon landings” conspiracy theories and it’s pretty obvious that you are not “comfortable” either Puckish Rogue.
2 planes 3 buildings mate – something ain’t right there.
You’ll need a bit more detail than that, otherwise 10 pin bowling is impossible! (1 ball, 10 pins, something ain’t right there…)
hi bob, why did wtc tower 7 collapse?
the one the bbc reprted as having collapsed, before the tower collapsed.
A plane ain’t a bowling ball Bill – the pins don’t destroy a ball but a plane that hits a building isn’t much more than a cloud of debris. Now I wasn’t there – don’t know everything about it – but the official story does not come close to explaining what happened.
Any particular reason you played the false analogy card?
Stuart
“WTC 7 collapsed because of fires fueled by office furnishings. It did not collapse from explosives or from diesel fuel fires.” Conspiracy theorists have long pointed to the collapse of the 47-story structure as key evidence that the U.S. government orchestrated or abetted the 9/11 attacks” http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/design/a3524/4278874/
So the 10 pin bowling analogy stands.
Not remotely Bob – for your bowling ball to be a credible analogy the plane would need to be substantially intact – enough to support a hypothesis that its kinetic energy contributed materially to the collapse. High rise buildings do not collapse from office materials fires – they rarely collapse at all because fire is one of the things they are designed to withstand.
You’ll have to do better than that.
…for example, you don’t appear to understand the meaning of “kinetic”.
There’s a zero percent chance that office fires caused the collapse of WTC7.
Popular Mechanics, and the NIST report, have it demonstrably wrong.
This lame chiropracter has fuck all engineering competence either, for that matter. Otherwise their takedown of NIST’s analysis would be delivered using Maths in an appropriate technical journal.
It’s okay, apparently zero percent has a margin for error that’s just as wide as 50/50 lol
OAB, this “lame chiropractor” knows quite a bit about mechanics, and NIST have it 100% wrong.
cv trying to be intellectual yet remaining idiotic is a fail – you rely on others expertise, own up to that one mate, save yourself some OAB learning which I’m sure is coming, deservedly so imo.
of course I rely on others’ expertise, I ain’t no genius level savant.
wicked!
set fire to a few la-zy-boys, and down comes a 47 story building, 7 hours later.
who woulda thunk.
No Stuart, it is you who “has to do better than that”: your incompetence at reading a detailed engineering analysis (such as NIST’s report on WTC7, for example) is evidence of nothing.
Your comments clearly reveal said incompetence, in case you’re wondering.
Charming –
A Popular Mechanics article that addresses none of the the anomalies the collapse raises is enough to satisfy you?
It is, as the article reports a unique event. There have been numerous high rise fires around the world and none of them caused collapses. Done any firefighting OAB? Thought not.
Do you suppose any of those buildings contained office furnishings? You know they most probably did.
To cause a structural failure of the steel encased in concrete columns requires very high temperatures. These typically do not occur for sustained periods in office block fires. The fuel is exhausted or fails to burn in such a way as to maintain the 1000 degree plus temperatures for long enough. To obtain the effect would have required the building to act somewhat like a chimney or blast furnace – blast furnaces being a contrivance invented because ordinary fires do not reach temperatures that melt steel. Had the building chimneyed video would have shown this.
The clincher is probably the conjecture about the decibel level of thermite charges – no witness reports of explosions the report claims. Human attention is a focused phemonon and people on the spot at the time may have been slightly distracted. But an engineer would look for robust physical evidence rather than bystander conjecture.
But since you’re so pro OAB – you’d better tell us something to enlighten us.
I note that NIST ≠ Popular Mechanics, despite the latter’s established credibility.
Still nothing evidence based OAB – put up or shut up.
No Stuart, I’ve cited NIST’s WTC7 analysis. If you can’t demonstrate it’s flawed using appropriate engineering calculations your reckons have no standing.
I’m happy to let them speak for me in this matter.
You’re not worth my time
https://books.google.co.nz/books?hl=en&lr=&id=XaQDAQAAQBAJ&oi=fnd&pg=PR8&dq=9/11+collapse&ots=O0S6lNrNrl&sig=mMceKwfprz6fMiDI3ICDBzxKVDQ#v=onepage&q=9%2F11%20collapse&f=false
OAB the NIST analysis of the WTC7 failure is completely wrong.
Get it into your head.
That report is not to be relied upon.
…I seen it! Or at least, Jesse Ventura seen it, and he’s inphalloble!
Long on rhetoric, short on Maths. Pack a sad, Stu.
Personally, I’m pretty sure US foreign policy was a contributing factor (not as much as the lame tanties of wannabe hero boys who think daesh are the solution, but still), and the buildings collapsed exactly as the various engineering reports describe.
Still seen no maths from you OAB.
Can’t debate with someone too frightened to put up any evidence – but that would require you to have read and understood the NIST report. And I don’t think the NIST report is the basis of your disagreement for some reason.
So what’s your beef?
My confidence in NIST is based on:
1. Common sense.
2. My personal experiences with engineering software.
3. In this context, I know what kinetic means, and you don’t.
So – you go with the establishment view without trying to understand the evidence. Congratulations – you probably wouldn’t have understood it anyway.
‘Common sense’ is neither abundant nor shared.
Engineering software is neither here nor there.
I know perfectly well what kinetic means – but I’m so impressed by your dishonest attempt at one-upmanship.
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1. It would take far too many engineers to be part of the conspiracy.
2. It would be horribly expensive and time consuming to concoct the false software required.
3. You used the word first, apparently blissfully unaware of the fact that thermal expansion is kinetic.
The stupid consequences of stupid US foreign policy fail do not require a giant conspiracy of civil and structural engineers.
Let’s be clear here – I don’t have all the evidence on 9/11 – it’s not really a big deal for me, but I have read the substance of shortcomings of the NIST report.
The first and largest is that NIST is not a professional engineering body – it was a political assemblage like FEMA, and thus it didn’t follow the kinds of processes that engineers usually would. Most specifically it had a tight timeframe to report in, whereas engineers usually want to get to the bottom of things however long that might take.
There was a lot of computer modelling – but computer modelling is not necessarily reflective of reality. Even among impartial operators there is a temptation to adjust data points until you arrive at the solution you desire – a criticism that was made of climactic models that predicted global warming.
The prevailing engineering criticism of the NIST report considers the collapse anomalous. The building imploded symetrically – this is not an easy feat to achieve – the leading experts on it, demolitions engineers, build very complex firing plans to achieve it, and their impression of film of the building is generally that it was demolished.
If it were demolished the support beams would typically be cut with thermite charges or hexagen cutting bars. This would produce the symmetrical implosion that a randomly occurring natural fire would be unlikely to replicate.
Such a demolition would leave ample chemical and particulate evidence. There is evidence of thermite microspheres consistent with demolition, but it is contested, a debate which I imagine neither of us is qualified to parse.
a criticism that was made of climactic models that predicted global warming.
Svante Arrhenius’ adjusted the data of his global circulation models until they produced warming, and that’s the reason they accurately predicted the consequences of the greenhouse effect?
Or are you talking about the models the IPCC cites, which predict the lower range of consequences?
Or are you just galloping with Mr. Gish?
No, you’re wrong. You should have zero confidence in NIST. They have got it wrong when it comes to WTC7. Their analysis is faulty in the extreme.
There is zero chance that WTC7 collapsed due to fires.
A computer model is not evidence.
The capacity to adjust results makes them deservedly suspect.
But the object of climactic modelling was originally to understand the interrelations of complex systems, not to produce evidentiary quality outcomes to sway a political debate.
They were useful for that. More refined models eventually become predictive and reliable – but those of us who are not climate scientists cannot determine how reliable they are.
We do better with robust concrete data like glacier shrinkage, vegetation patterns, weather event frequency and so forth.
& CV agreed – the thing about NIST is that they were a Bush creation, and Bush was not overattached to the truth, as various WMD pronouncements established.
@CV
Funny how you are confident in your opinion of NIST’s work and then fail to summarise it.
Or perhaps you’re dishonest as opposed to incompetent, in which case I suppose it’s not really funny, eh.
My personal experience of your unethical rhetoric suggests the latter, but that doesn’t really matter: Occam’s Razor provides your inability to present the Maths involved as sufficient to support the former hypothesis, and charity does the rest.
@Stuart: Arrhenius didn’t use a computer.
Cheap shots and no content – I neither know nor care who Arrhenius is.
Occam’s razor – principals are not to be multiplied beyond necessity – excludes him.
You want math when the evidence is microspheres.
Disingenuous.
@Stuart – Svante Arrhenius published his model of the atmosphere in 1896. Everything he predicted has occurred, within the limits of accuracy provided by the model.
This is the sense of George Box’s aphorism – “all models are wrong, some are useful”.
To criticise NIST’s model as not describing the exact minutiae of the collapse of WTC7 is indicative of a fundamental misunderstanding of what models are for: they assist curiosity.
Of course, in the stupid world where engineers are in league with the Illuminatii this cuts no ice. Still, maths, eh. Got any?
Thanks – always good to know.
But no, – I don’t have any maths on building 7. Nor do I need any.
What math explains the presence of thermite microspheres?
If they were present in large quantities as some chemists and engineers state then no amount of modelling can overturn the presumption that thermite explosives were present.
NIST made no such tests.
http://journalof911studies.com/volume/2008/Ryan_NIST_and_Nano-1.pdf
I’d love, personally, to have been in a position to check out samples for myself, but what I have is hearsay from two groups of engineers. One group has a potential political motive to support the establishment story, the other may be provocative trouble makers for all I know. Still, NIST should have done the tests.
There were the Moscow apartment bombings of 1999 as a precedent, and the buildings in the Twin Towers district were plausible targets for anarchist terrorist demolition.
Actually, engineering modelling (aka simulation) is used to determine how engineering structures will perform under different loading, stress and event scenarios.
It is used to help determine many things from ‘buildability’, normal engineering performance, materials cost reduction and of course, evaluation of the design in catastrophic failure.
“Assisting curiosity” is a quaint idea though.
Yes, you are not an expert on thermite, nor iron rich spheres. That being so, see point 1 on the number of engineers who would have to be bribed forever to keep them quiet and incurious.
No, actually, yawny yawn yawn, believe whatever you like and say a prayer for poor old Schiller and the dummheit.
I think you underestimate the effect of the media consensus at the time – it was about two years before any media could look critically at anything the Bush administration did.
Whether by chance or by design Bush had the perfect situation to launch his middle eastern adventures, which at least in terms of the Iraq invasion seem not to have been justified by the events of 9/11.
No, I’m not an expert on thermite microspheres, but I could probably determine their presence or absence. This was an important historical event as well as a crime scene, I’d expect it to have been explored thoroughly – but the NIST report does not give that impression. Nor am I alone in saying so.
The bribery thing is perhaps not as clear as black and white. After a time a report tends to be accepted. You seem to claim some kind of academic mantle but your acceptance of it is based on its authority, not its content. You haven’t checked the math, and I presume no-one has bribed you. Engineers are busy, and 9/11 truth fixations are probably not career enhancing.
But something is anomalous about it being the only highrise to have collapsed due to fire. People will continue to look for evidence – and the chance that Bush manufactured this event as blithely as he manufactured Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction makes the search somewhat consequential.
Yeah I always figured that in the absence of a provenance in National Party circles in his youth that was always a bunch of Crosby Textor shit, like the salary donated to charity. No provenance, no proof. Part of the package the country was sold when Michelle Boag and The Roundtable imported him.
Yeah, he was so into politics that he can’t remember what he was thinking in ’81. Nothing apparently.
+1 North. Yes, you are onto it. It’s surprising how people who should know better (i.e CV) still have their eyes closed to the spin.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11713057
Looks like we’re about to find out if mccullys corruption bares fruit.
Anything written by Audrey Young has to be taken with a pinch of salt.
Nah Paul, it’s way past that, more like anything said in NZ is to be taken as spin and bullshit.
I’m not exaggerating either. It is exactly like that. Nothing printed is the truth anymore at all.
Liar
Yes you are Stunned Mullet.
Or is I ?
We all am.
veritasly
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/84398001/hamilton-candidates-google-translation-misguided-gibberish-maori-likely-to-switch-off
Way to encourage Te reo Maori fellas, no wonder no one bothers.
Try supporting the Left in general lol
What do you mean? You are not left and in fact you act like you spit on the left from your exhalted position of judgment.
How are you enjoying Left Wing support of the Kermadec Ocean Sanctuary.
That’s what I mean.
Good point – it’s good pāhekā get to nut out their side. Middle class conservation and indigenous rights have pretty much always been in conflict and with the effects of climate change being felt AND the denial of government to do actual meaningful things many people of the left will be faced with stark and uncomfortable choices and decisions. As a Māori activist I also feel the toughness of those choices and I’m her to say that are FALSE. The dicotomy is not true both can be protected but it will take a change of attitude. The one that needs to change is that indigenous rights are expendable – they arent.
Yeah I give the guy ups for giving it a go – good lesson about g-translate. And a lesson about seeking help real help if you want to get it right.
marty mars, that this guy made an effort like this must be encouraging for the future don’t you think? Combine this with the generation coming through now who have been raised with far more te reo and te ao maori and the older bigotries must be beginning to disappear.
Yes it is encouraging. I hope people reach out and offer the guy a course. Imagine him coming back next election being fluent or much better than his current level.
Agree BM, fuck the media vilifying this guy, big ups & a ‘Kia Ora’ from me.
Maybe this might be true if he actually tried. Getting “some Maori woman” in the office to translate his bio is not much of a try, and the fact it appears that he doesn’t even know this women or what she does speaks even more volumes of his mindset and level of commitment to the betterment of society.
Bill mitchell on Basic Income guarantees.
http://bilbo.economicoutlook.net/blog/?p=34448
UK, Danish military admit to air striking Syrian Government Army
The US, Brits and the Danes have admitted their involvement in a prolonged US airstrike which killed 62 Syrian Army soldiers, wounded over 100 and destroyed Syrian army equipment and installations.
The airstrike hit a Syrian Government forward operating base which had been besieged on all sides by ISIS/ISIL for the last 2 years.
Immediately after the western airstrike the militants launched an attack and overran the Syrian Government base, leading to accusations that the US had in this case acted as the ISIL airforce.
Russia immediately called for an emergency meeting of the UN Security Council; the US said that such a meeting was unnecessary and that it was a “stunt” by Russia.
https://www.rt.com/uk/359856-uk-hit-syria-troops/
Aus was involved: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-09-19/syria-air-strikes-will-continue-despite-botched-operation/7858694
IMO there is no way US target intel could have mistaken a long held Syrian Govt base beseiged on all sides by ISIS for years, for an ISIS position.
SNAFU. Friendly fire is a thing.
Does the rt report mention that the bombing ceased as soon as the Russians updates the “intel”.
Or did you leave that part out?
Do you know anyone personally who has the level of prescience and control you regularly ascribe to the US military?
Yes, after 4 attack runs over 20 minutes, the Western attack stopped. The position was then immediately overrun by an ISIS/ISIL offensive.
Fire control is a basic element of military operations.
These attacks are monitored by NATO and the US in real time by satellite. It wasn’t some squad or platoon which was hit as a target of opportunity and then later found out to be friendly.
It was a long standing forward base.
In addition, it appears that the target would also have been reviewed and cleared by Australians, Danes and Brits.
IMO the Pentagon has wanted from day one the ceasefire Kerry signed with Lavrov a few weeks ago to fail.
🙄
“Fire control”
Which works 100% of the time, eh. In my opinion, your opinion of the Pentagon is informed by little but Russian “news” reports.
RAF reaper drones were used in the attack. These drones have extremely high tech, high resolution sensors used for correctly identifying targets.
A Syrian Govt base isn’t a rag tag bunch of guys with AK47s on a goat track.
Nor is daesh.
I doubt you could tell the difference between the sides, even with a drone as good as you think they are in optimal viewing conditions.
It’s a fucking static base McFlock that the Syrian Government had been defending from for fucking years; the Americans have also hit Syrian forces in this same immediate area with airstrikes prior to 2016.
It’s a frontline target. Get the camera angle off by a degree when you estimate its position, it’s fucked. If nobody tells the yanks that it’s friendly, it’s fucked. If it’s misidentified as enemy rather than dodgy third party with a common enemy, it’s fucked. If the yanks fail to pass on to the controllers that it’s friendly, it’s fucked. If the controllers fuck up the fire mission or plug the wrong numbers into the gps, it’s fucked.
The don’t get targeting data from the intrinsic intelligence of the universe.
Full of excuses.
Time for the US to open up to a full investigation of the incident.
Meanwhile, the US aircover for ISIS has meant that ISIS has now gained a critical firing position over a key Syrian Govt airbase.
I’m sorry that the real world isn’t as perfect as you are.
If you reckon you can do better, you’re a fool.
Listen up dickhead, I’m not a forward air controller or an air mission planner.
In fact, let’s see the US present to the UN Security Council their story of what really happened. Instead of avoiding it. Or minimising it.
Oh, so you’re a theatre critic or a eunuch: you know what needs to be done, you can tell people where they went wrong, you know when you’ve seen it done badly, but you can’t do it yourself.
You demand the US “open up to a full investigation” of how they bombed troops that were incredibly close to the guys you’re happy for them to bomb (close enough to be overwhelmed “immediately” afterwards), and yet your total response to comments about the Syrians and/or Russians bombing a routine aid convoy with the appropriate permissions and notifications is zero.
We don’t need to see up your kilt to know which side you dress to, do we…
He hasn’t said anything about it, but to be fair, the various western democracies involved in the attack on Syrian government forces killed military personnel of a murderous dicatorship, while the authoritarian nationalist regime involved in the attack on an aid convoy killed humanitarian aid workers. Obviously a person is going to rate one of those incidents as much worse than the other, and CV has done his rating…
Don’t propagandise about Assad’s “murderous regime” when the West is drowning in culpability for the destruction of the Syrian state.
The West greenlit and supported the Turkish/Saudi/Qatari fuelled+funded war in Syria which has killed 400,000 to 500,000 Syrians now.
Various estimates has the US supplying roughly US$1B of aid to anti-Assad islamist fighters per year, over the last 4 years.
While the russians and syrians just bomb hospitals and relief convoys. Got that.
let’s see what happens after Nov 8.
Don’t propagandise about Assad’s “murderous regime” when the West is drowning in culpability for the destruction of the Syrian state.
The basis for that “stability” you’re so keen on in Syria was the efficient and ruthless torture and murder of the Assad regime’s opponents and anyone associated with them. For my money, that warrants the term “murderous dictatorship.” Your imaginings of how the uprising against that murderous dictatorship was somehow a plot by Western governments, on the other hand, doesn’t warrant some bullshit exercise in false equivalence.
Psycho Milt, I don’t particularly give a flying fuck if in fact Assad was disappearing hundreds of protestors into his secret prison system.
The US/Saudi/Turkey/Qatar used that – and their own agent provocateurs – to provide a pretext to fuel an illegal, geopolitically motivated war of regime change via Jihadist proxies. A war which has killed 400,000 to 500,000 Syrians, displaced several million more, and left an entire country on the verge of imploding just like the other Clinton pet project, Libya.
That’s the real fucking crime here.
Maybe someone even as morally blind as you can finally figure out where the truly “murderous regimes” lie in this picture.
That’s the real fucking crime here.
Imaginary crimes you’ve convinced yourself of aren’t the “real” crime when compared to actual real crimes. And I don’t need lectures on morality from someone who thinks a friendly fire incident against military personnel is a duplicitous attack that warrants a lengthy diatribe while a friendly fire incident against an aid convoy isn’t worth a mention.
So its not a real crime that the US and NATO have allowed NATO member Turkey to fund, restock, regroup and rearm head chopping Islamist fighters across Turkish borders for the last four plus years?
Thats a real crime which has caused tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of Syrian deaths.
And no mate, despite your delusions, its very real, up to and including the ISIS oil tankers crossing the Turkish border, inconvenient as these facts may be to your stupidly misplaced outrage.
You really have developed false equivalence to a kind of art form.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-idUSKCN11Q1NR
UN rows back from calling attack on aid convoy as being due to an airstrike, Russia/Syria deny involvement of air forces, say that attack damage to convoy not consistent with blast damage and cratering of an airstrike.
However it seems that some people still remain too quick to swallow the over-simplified anti-Assad, anti-Russian feed of the corporate MSM
A base that was right on the front line, close enough to immediately fall to daesh.
You can’t have it both ways. Either it was close enough to be taken immediately, or it was far enough away to be clearly not daesh.
Huh? It was a long standing forward base which was overrun by ISIS/ISIL straight after the US destroyed its fighting capability.
Indeed. Which means daesh must have been fucking close, no?
Yes probably within 5km. Outside of machine gun/sniper range but well inside mortar range.
Well within. Closer than Syrian reinforcements.
Could you tell the difference? So you rely on the guys on the ground communicating their position to you. When that has to happen through three or more seperate command structures, mistakes will be made.
US friendly fire casualties are so high that the screwup is quite likely.
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/war_stories/2002/04/generals_apathy.html
Estimates put US friendly fire at between 25 and 40% of their casualties. The Brits, who are our usual model, managed closer to 3% in the Falklands.
Good outfit to stay away from in combat – though it’s often air-ground rather than ground – ground.
the old joke from WW2 was “When the English fly over, the Germans hit the ground. When the Germans fly over, the English and Americans hit the ground. When the Americans fly over, everyone hits the ground”.
Another blatant example of American stupidity and duplicity. Just watch all the anti Russian rhetoric drown out what has actually happened.
I think that the Pentagon and the White House are at loggerheads over what to do in Syria. Obama and Kerry want to leave a legacy of co-operating with the Russians to destroy ISIS/ISIL.
The Pentagon neocons refuse to have anything to do with that and are undermining the efforts of both the President and the Sec State John Kerry.
Stupidity, yes. The gods themselves and so-forth…
I missed the duplicity in this specific case, although given Sun Tzu’s famous dictum – the art of war is deception – it would be unusual if the Pentagon weren’t from time to time, lying.
The same is true of all the other players.
This, on the other hand, has SNAFU written all over it.
pretty much. Hell, the yanks have been bombing themselves and their allies for decades.
Meanwhile….
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/09/syria-deadly-aid-convoy-bombing-ceasefire-ends-160919194433498.html
well that sucks.
Killed one of the good guys, too.
Omar Barakat the director of the Syrian Red Crescent had been killed by the bombing on a convoy of aid in western Aleppo with more than 25 barrels and rocket
http://syria.liveuamap.com/en/2016/19-september-omar-barakat-the-director-of-the-syrian-red
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/84436652/immigration-new-zealand-tells-danish-woman-in-nelson-silke-larsen-she-must-go
If your not wealthy, chinese and donating millions to National you can fuck off, we don’t care you created a wifi network and are a extremely highly university skilled IT person who made the area connected which helps business, in fact everyone, we don’t count that sort of thing here.
Donations lady and if you havn’t got one for us you can fuck off..eh?
This fucking government is FUBAR.
“Larsen originally came to New Zealand on a long term business visa with plans for a personal development business which did not work out. Instead, she got involved with community projects, including helping to get internet access for rural areas.
Larsen said the problem was although she had a degree [a PhD in telecommunications], she was not actively using that degree to earn more than $45,000 which meant she did not qualify as a skilled immigrant. ”
reporting on immigration issues is routinely utter shit. This likely has very little to do with MPs and much more to do with a failure to meet policy or a failure to carry out required steps under the visa category
in short – never believe a single article about immigration.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11713072
This will be up soon everywhere, for the fact probably that Hekia is leaving for a study of privatisation in the us under the disguise of education research..
We gonna have to pay for our kids educations soon..and on the minimum wage..
Is it time to get the AR-15 out yet, I need protection from my government..one thing the US got right maybe, just.., gun laws. I got to protect myself and kids from these psychopaths surely.
Global funding eh, so do we put our kids up for something, is that like crowd funding? Like a photo on the internet.., a stunning pic of your kid and see how much you get for it?
Choose an SKS, not an AR15.
Showing your age there CV?
I always liked the Vintorez.
Or, perhaps, the Barrett.
Don’t worry about it, you probably couldn’t afford an AR-15 🙂
http://www.guncity.com/firearms/all-firearms/ec-category-lic./ecategory/223
I could PR, Not too sure about an SKS CV, as with my deep knowledge of guns due to all the hours of gun games I play the SKS is slow and gives a high recoil.
My preferred method of cleaning out the garbage would probably be a grenade.
Or perhaps as in BattleField I could just plant a shit load of mines around the house to keep them away.
God help election time if some idiot from National happens to have the misfortune to knock at my door. I may brew up a special concoction of mine I use for the garden, you know fermented seafood that sort of thing 🙂 Give him a grenade alright.
Well as long as you have the licence and then endorsement to buy a MSSA then its all good and good luck to you though I really should let you know the authorities tend to look down on people being shot
Well I spent some time on COD4 so if not an SKS maybe a G3 that seemed pretty good in the game
That’s because demand for particular firearms skyrocket when they get the free advertising of being used to kill defenceless people.
As soon as firearms are mentioned the conversation never seems to head in a good direction. There has to be a better way to express anger imo.
I disagree, as soon as firearms gets mentioned the conversations seems to get more interesting/amusing so its all good
I agree mauī – some boys get too physically excited by firearms.
Thats sexist
Some kinds of sexism are fine and acceptable, apparently
Nope – it’s an immaturity putdown.
What about women giggling like little girls? Is that an “immaturity put down” as well? In fact, double standards is what it is.
Nah you’re confusing inclusion with exclusion.
This is one of the problems of PC linguistic imperialism – there are some gender linked behaviours that nevertheless ought to attract condemnation. Of the two I think the ‘boys with guns’ trope is the more sociopathic, but doubtless there are vicious condemnations of females that also bear the inconvenient ring of truth.
So why not just say some people, why single out boys and not girls?
I was referring to your boner and the specific conversation. Sorry if you were offended.
I’m not offended by you talking about my boner, I’m ackshully quite proud of my boner and I feel it should be talked about more but I am confused because I haven’t mentioned my boner on this thread
Yes i hear your confusion.
Can you please reference my boner so I know what you’re on about
Freud would have a field day…
@ p.s. no I quite like your freigned confusion it suits you.
I’ve got a feeling the phrase ‘Can you reference my boner’ may become a TS go to put down in future. Definitely funnier than ‘yes, dear’.
On a more serious matter, talking about using weapons against political opponents, even with tongue in cheek, is crossing a line, people. Please take care with your words.
oh fuck, I missed the ideal response for “can you please reference my boner?”: “did you just ask for a sightation?” 🙂
http://www.superdickery.com/batmans-boner/
It’s getting bad in NZ when old hippies are getting so pissed off with the actions of the government and what this once caring land has become, that he actually experiences emotions of anger.
The dude is not impressed.
Declining NZ – 1st world to 5th? Stop the rot! Stop the rort!
3 Fish stocks unknown – information faulty.
MPI making deals to try and get some precise information thru observers, upsetting level playing field.
30% of catch may be thrown back – probably dead or maimed – as it is presently uneconomic to harvest.
Quota system not working for the health of sea harvest – but no 💡 to introduce newer appropriate and necessary legislation.
4 People in severe pain and left unable to work and earn after having metal-on-metal hip replacements. World recall by Johnson and Johnson (a trusted company and brand) after metalosis from the two metals cobalt and something else (my ignorance would be similar to those of the recipients who would rely on the integrity of supply
company and their specialists).
Specialists were advised about recall but government does not make it mandatory for them to advise their clients. 500 of these hip-ops supplied to NZ, about 400 used and about 25 applying to sue for their rightful share of payout from Johnson and Johnson to help with their disablement and suffering, now and almost certainly, in future. ACC rules allow suing for punitive and exemplary damages but still the decision of the Courts is needed. Don’t know why. Again ignorance would be widespread amongst all who haven’t training in this particular field of sorrows. Believed that many people still not informed about having a toxic implant inside them. E&OE
Would this be the same union power Rodney Hide and Dirty Politics David Farrar said is dead?
http://www.newshub.co.nz/politics/teachers-vote-overwhelmingly-against-global-funding-2016092010
Hide had a grizzle piece in The Horrid on Sunday about how his holiday as a wee boy was ruined because of Cook Straight ferry workers’ industrial action and presumably sees all worker representation evil as a result.
Under the current government policy of floating bizarre and discredited ideas for industry and public consumption before sniffing the wind and canning said idea, unions have never had it better.
Well of course the unions would reject anything the National government said, I don’t think anyone would surprised about the teachers unions putting ideology above kids best interests
Could say that about National! PR. Exactly that.
Yup
What PR? Do you actually agree that Key’s Nat government are; “putting ideology above kids best interests”? Or did you just not understand RR’s comment?
Either way does not convince me to pay heed to anything you have to say on the topic of education.
sorry for the misunderstanding, I’m agreeing that Richard could say that not that I agree with him
But you don’t have any coherent argument against RR, so you just resorted to facile glibness? That is at least in character for you.
Still not convinced of why I should pay any attention to your hollow opinions on this topic.
Only you can answer that one
And there’s the facile glibness in action.
Yep the cardboard cutout of commenters shows his depth.
Still waiting for you to bring up my boner…
Is key in your office today? I thought he was away trying to build his credibility against insurmountable odds
Forgive my naievity but I always thought you couldn’t bring up a boner without having first swallowed it……must we discuss this ?
Back to sense and my (home cooked) green curry pork dinner this is a very comical thread. Thank you everyone !
You got it round the wrong way. We’re putting childrens best interests before National Party ideology. Just remember that teachers working conditions are children’s learning conditions. Make it too hard for teachers to do their job and the children are the ones that suffer.
Indeed, and 99% of teachers agreed this is the case.
There could hardly be a more convincing ‘get stuffed’ to Hekia Parata.
I sometimes wonder if she has forgotten where she came from.
The unions are doing whats best for their members as they’ve always done, not whats best for the kids
You have a peculiar Pink Floyd view of the world no doubt fashioned from where you get your opinions. That somehow NZ teachers are out to destroy kids.
Destroy kids no, put teachers interests ahead of kids interests, yes
Still no evidence of that provided by you. 99% against global funding isn’t some sort of anomaly. There could not be a greater mandate rejecting Parata’s, the current government’s, and your opinion unless it were 100%.
As You_fool describes below, how can the entire teaching profession be wrong, while one proven incompetent minister who never taught a classroom in her life, and uses google for education policy, be right?
Oh please, NCEA was the end of the world, Tomorrows Schools was the end of the world, I’m guessing it was the end of the world when NZ changed to metric and the dollar
The teaching unions default position when it comes to National or change is the same, against it (whatever it is)
NZ has slid in international rankings with all these changes. Teachers I guess want to arrest a further slide. You be the judge – it’s what you like to do.
Novapay PR – and every other lamebrained educational disaster the Gnats have come up with – stupid wasteful ideas that have not advanced education. The Gnats have long since burned any shreds of credibility they could have had with teachers and thus the unions, as democratic organisations, are obliged to oppose their every ill-conceived whim.
NCEA and Tomorrow’s Schools were both incompetent mismanagement of the education system, and so is this. It was correctly rejected by the teacher’s union.
No they are not trying to destroy kids. But the interests of the kids and the teachers most certainly do not coincide.
Right. And I suppose Hekia Parata’s interests and the kids’ are one and the same?
Why not ? They are all self-optimising individuals in a free market. Just teach the “kids” how to think rationally and get the perfect information “they need” and all’s sweet. And grades achievement skills too, for “teacher’s ” sake.
And unions having in their membership real human beings who have kids prefer to proceed without thought for their children. Puleez !
How is a funding regime that will see schools having to balance numbers of teachers and support staff against ever increasing operational costs thus seeing class sizes increase and support staff numbers dropping in the children’s best interests.
What evidence do you have that National’s ideological experimentation is in childrens’ best interests? Because they say it is? There doesn’t seem to be any grounding in research of successful practice in their adoption of failed overseas trials.
The current government’s strategy toward public service is to throw any old idea at it in the hope it will stick. Where education is concerned however it’s not a case of it being broken, because the teaching and the curriculum is fine, it’s the neoliberal policy of keeping the disenfranchised crushed which makes home life in certain communities very hard for kids to study in.
No, your response here is a parroting of noted anti-worker collective shills like Slater, Hooton, Farrar, and Hide. It would be good if you could have a thought of your own once in a while.
It always surprises me that we train up people to teach our kids, ensuring that they have the best skills, knowledge and techniques to teach the next generation and then routinely ignore them on how best to actually do the job of teaching.
Yes… And may I point out to Poxish Rogue that the PPTA did NOT oppose NCEA, despite the reservations of many members. By and large PPTA has supported NCEA. PPTA does not automatically oppose every proposed change.
Poxish Rogue demonstrates an abysmal ignorance of what motivates good teachers. Engaging with their students and caring about them is the first element. And the vast majority of those good teachers belong to and support the PPTA, just to forestall the crap argument that the union is only there to protect incompetent teachers. Good teachers want to protect their students from pernicious, ideologically-based Government policies that have shown no benefits overseas, and will fight tooth and nail to do so.
It’s National and its support puppets that are putting ideology above the well-being of our children and society in general.
Just read an article, drone with arms could lift toddler..
imaginings of dirty old pedies in raincoats lining up at hobby shops comes to mind.
I mean why do they print articles like that? Some sick Journo having a fantasy moment?
I know you know what..some jobsworth is going to have to make a law/bylaw now, stating all drones have to have a , ” CAUTION do not lift toddlers or young children, dogs cats or your grandma with this device” warning sticker placed on them.
the issue is not that.
the issue is when are drones going to be able to lift adults….. and become our own personal flying devices …. coming soon to a store near you …
Interesting series on Stuff Nation. They put out an invitation for people to contribute. Why not have a go and say how yiu find NZ its highs and lows.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/84158436/New-Zealand-is-no-paradise-it-is-brutal
This is part of Part One of Five by Katherine Dolan who has left NZ looking for something better.
It would be good if people could see it as from a female who feels and sees it both as a female,and a NZr who assesses that we all should expect better. And also not be like some of the commenters who look at themselves, their own family and locale which they find satisfactory, and who then reject it as being untrue. There is an opportunity to see beyond our own little personal understandings to the truth of the bigger picture.
Part one of New Zealand is no paradise: Sex, Drugs and Denial, a five-part series about growing up hating New Zealand by Katherine Dolan, written for Stuff Nation.
And after being homeless in Canada, swaddled in black in Saudi Arabia and living hand to mouth in the Balkans, why do I still consider my New Zealand a uniquely lonely and uncomfortable place?
I say “my New Zealand” because the place I grew up perhaps no longer exists. I hope it doesn’t, because rural New Zealand in the 1980s and ’90s was a puritanical, misogynist, authoritarian, anti-intellectual, alcohol-dependent society that specialised in casual brutality.
I grew up in a New Zealand that worshipped the Spartan virtues: stoicism, masculinity, physical strength, group cohesion, terseness.
I’ve been following it. There is some discussion on it in open mike the 17th.
Pony-tail guy wields the TPP as a threat to the US in his most recent speak/slur on the world stage.
My question is if he’s that afraid of Chinese influence in the region, why doesn’t he address the massive influence of cheap, laundered, and ill-gotten Chinese money flooding into the New Zealand residential property market?
Yet again, dropped-soap guy says one thing yet does another and fails to recognise he doesn’t stand for the people of the Asia Pacific region at all.
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/313728/john-key-warns-us-of-risks-in-failing-to-ratify-tpp
It would be interesting to know if there has been more to this trip he is on than batting for his former enemy and parading around the UN …. maybe Bilderberg?
Not sure on that.
What I do know is the international community don’t take him seriously. Obama is on record wondering why Australia listens to him. Clark is tainted in UN circles because of her association with Key and his anti-worker government.
“What I do know is the international community don’t take him seriously”
Really? Do you have anything other than your overactive imagination to justify this, and the comments that follow this, statement?
Helen Clark certainly seemed very grateful for Key’s supporting he candidacy on TV last night? Is there something you know that she doesn’t?
Obama certainly didn’t to seem to hold the views you subscribe to when he was overheard talking to the Australian PM did he?
Obama did hold the views I subscribe to. He questioned Turnbull on wether he listened to the New Zealanders, and followed by saying Key was a great guy to play golf with. Damned by faint praise on the second part, for sure.
John Key fluffers can’t read between the lines.
I suggest that you actually listen to what Obama said
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11548292
“He’s a wonderful guy. He and I have become good friends. And not just because we play golf together.”
Nothing like what you are saying is it?
Recall Key declaring war on North Korea? I doubt the international community take the nitwit that seriously.
Really?
And what are the grounds for this wild figment of your imagination?
Declaring war? Do you even know what that means?
Fair enough that you query there Alwyn but what we’ve got here is a ‘machine’. Dear Helen, whom (for my sins) I’d re-vote for at the drop of a hat…..reasons later…..is part of that ‘machine’. “Hate and damn you today, hold you close and kiss you tomorrow.” There’s nothing as mind-altering as power/the prospect of it.
To wit, Marigold Barry when asked why she was standing in North Shore, was it?…… produced the howler that she she had “a great deal to offer……” Hmm, Hmm…..Ahem.
Do you favour SkyCabs for Auckland?
http://m.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11627681
Looks like shit.
Next.
I like it.
It looks modern. It’s practical, cost efficient and environmentally friendly.
What is wrong with an actual train? Countless developed and developing countries use them and have used them for many decades since the beginning of the industrial revolution. They are a very efficient form of transport, local, public, and otherwise.
That New Zealand has not kept up with this technology is our own fault and one which must be paid for now.
“What is wrong with an actual train?”
This can compliment the rail network where it is more cost effective and practical to do so.
especially if you import some steel from china that comes with a ‘good quality’ certification. Yeah, cheap must be good and practical.
in saying that, Wuppertal has had a sky gondola since the beginning of the last century, mainly due to the roads being so small that a tram or bus would not pass. its quite awesome fun taking a trip over the Wupper.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wuppertal_Suspension_Railway
It’s cost effective because of its simplistic design and ease to install.
Interestingly enough, I think you’ll find that it’s harder to install than a good underground. People simply won’t want them mucking up their skyline.
The rate burden that comes with going underground would soon entice them to change their mind.
Possibly or they’ll just stop everything.
NZers always seem to choose the short-term cheap, worst option and long term most expensive option. It doesn’t help when the politicians keep telling us we can have things ever cheaper.
Good idea, Looks a hell of a lot cheaper than rail.
Love to see the data on what it can handle peak time.
It can pickup 8 people at a time, about as much use as building a mini van only lane on the motorway. Stupid.
32,000 people into the CBD per hour, or 64,000 people per morning peak with all seated or 120,000 people with standees.
http://www.skycabs.co.nz/documents/AucklandStrategyForeword.pdf
So 4,000+ sky cabs reaching the cbd every hour. Sorry I can’t see it. Then there’s the issue of keeping something with so many moving parts running freely. Any human error or emergency in one cab holds up the whole system and everyone is left dangling in the air. Potential nightmare scenarios are high.
Due to their simplistic design they are low maintenance.
Nonetheless, one would assume they would have procedures in place in the event of a breakdown. For example, units would have an auxiliary motor or could be pushed or towed by another unit.
LOL
Your not actually buying that BS are you?
Or, to put it another way:
Due to them being in the open, salt saturated air of Auckland, they’ll be bloody high maintenance.
Simplistic designs tend to be more low maintenance as there is generally less to go wrong.
The lifespan and overall maintenance requirements of the network itself will largely come down to the construction materials used. One would expect they will be aware of the elements, thus requirements.
http://www.skycabs.co.nz/documents/AucklandStrategyForeword.pdf
It would probably be like the monorail that used to run in Sydney.
They finally scrapped it in 2013, from memory.
It was estimated to be about 40% more expensive than even light rail would have been. I think the idea that it would be “cheaper than rail” would prove to be someone’s wet dream.
Of course the cost estimate would probably be like the one some of the Wellington Regional Council candidates have. They just claim that we could have light rail at half the cost determined in an evaluation of the idea. Bloody idiots the lot of them.
No train expert here, but the big advantage to me is that you wouldn’t have to construct a rail corridor through Auckland, this could be tacked onto the side of existing roads or run up the middle.
It’s got great potential.
New Zealanders paid $1.3 billion dollars more in council rates in 2015 than in 2009.
Since 2009, increases at a national level have outstripped both population growth and inflation.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/84015499/local-government-rates-are-up-government-funding-is-down
Six figure council ‘manager’ salaries seem common as nowadays.
It’s outrageous what some are being paid.
Yep. I think public servants top salaries need to be capped at $100k. Provides a good living standard without being over the top as what we have now is.
I like it.
Kermadecs and the Foreshore.
Is this just another instance of Key not having any knowledge of history. His tendency of governing in the now reflects his poor judgement. His allowing Smith to be anywhere near the Kermadecs issue in the first place would seem to bear this out. The sidelining of Smith from the Kermadec issue should not come as a surprise to many – remember the Foreshore issue and the disgraceful grandstanding of Smith and Peter Dunne in Nelson.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/treaty-of-waitangi/news/article.cfm?c_id=350&objectid=3515159
It would also be interesting to know what Key’s own utterances on the Foreshore issue were back then – … he probably “couldn’t quite remember”.
Wow! thanks for the link – that is definitely well worth remembering, and certainly pertinent to the current clusterfuck. Smith, needs to be as far away from this as possible.
I’m told Maori had no idea the Kermadecs existed before Cook and co turned up. Is this right?
Possibly, but would they have found had Cook and co not taken their rights away?
same logic as the radio frequencies.
No it has a well documented history of Polynesian settlement or use. But it was abandoned hundreds of years before European arrival. So claims of customary use are nonsense.
Apart from the custom of seafarers to stop there to restock etc.
Well the archeology I’m aware of is that there is no evidence of regular journeys, that raoul was settled for a period by eastern Polynesians (not Maori) but it was abandoned in the 15th century. Apart from a small number of flakes of obsidian there’s no evidence of any kind of ongoing transit between nz and the kermadecs.
Perhaps you can invent an alternative scenario. Aliens visited tangata whenua, perhaps…
Alien: “What can we do for you?”
Tangata Whenua: “Can you put these flakes on Raoul Island for us? “
Eastern Polynesian was the originating culture of Maori but that does not mean the people who travelled to the kermadecs and then onto Norfolk and lord Howe islands were Maori
It’s time for your reality check.
My bold.
Perhaps it was the doing of an alien?
After all, people have found rocks from the Moon and even Mars on Earth.
http://www.space.com/178-crater-moon-linked-rock-earth.html
http://www.space.com/14268-rare-mars-meteorite-rocks-tissint.html
Amazing isn’t it?
Only joking about the aliens. Donald Trump was not in the vicinity of these being found.
Read atholl Anderson in ‘ Tangata whenua An illustrated history ‘ a much more recent book that contains a summary of recent research.
There he says that no archeological evidence exists of return trips to eastern Polynesia despite the wealth of new and useful materials found in NZ. The people who went to the kermadecs likely left nz soon after arrival and then went on to Norfolk Island, lord Howe island and then New South Wales. Artefacts of these travels have been found but none going back east.
Check http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/79760636/atholl-Anderson-where-did-Maori-come-from
Irrelevant. This is about Treaty rights, not customary ones. You’re getting mixed up with the foreshore law.
Some were saying yesterday that there were customary trips to the kermadecs, so it’s relevant in that sense
Not exactly. Customary trips that used the Kermadecs as a place to re-stock on the journey.
Nobody said that they were customary.
As discussed yesterday, they left artefacts there, so no, your source is feeding you false information. Who is it, the Prime Minister?
Polynesian people were there. I’m told they weren’t Maori. The Prime Minister is John Key – you should get out more, try Venezuela it would suit your thinking or lack there of.
He tells too many lies. That’s why I wondered if he’s the one spoon-feeding you.
Here’s RTM from the Kermadecs thread to set you straight:
Now you know the facts make sure not to keep spreading the lies, there’s a dearie. You could even elect not to trust your source on other matters if you were smart.
Oh do float off Tarquin.
You race batting pillock.
Oh wait, what new from national supporters who write on the standard…
National party supporters default; Racist, sexist, and smug Tory scum – I’m sure I missed somthing. 😉
Fraudulent through wilful ignorance and prejudice. I’m sure I have also forgotten something.
#only POKEMONES
http://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/2016/09/15/wellington-the-little-city-that-could-and-did/?ncid=tweetlnkauhpmg00000001
“If you were to pinpoint a person and a moment in time for Wellington’s transformation, it would probably be Peter Jackson and the late 1990s.”
Hes a good man Sir Peter
Now there’s some expert trolling, behold! Peter Jackson has certainly done all right for himself, well done him, shame he had to shaft a bunch of NZ workers to get there, & a bit disappointing he hasn’t made a decent movie in over a decade (but hey, check out that new frame rate!).
+1 Gangnam Style – yep we value those that help others as well as themselves in a decent society.
Ok so I disagree with you on the shafting of the workers, they were treated decently.
On the decent movie…yeah fair enough
Apparently David Seymour thinks tax payers need to fund a ‘Ministry of Men’.
How about a “Ministry of Vulnerable Men’? The Chief’s players, Tony Veitch and Nikolas Delegat can lodge complaint’s there about their appalling and unfair treatment from Women and the NZ political system. (sarc.)
He does actually make some good points:
“A Few Stats
Where once women were clearly marginalised, men are now behind in most social statistics. University graduates: women 60/40. Imprisonment: men 94/6. Life expectancy: women 84/80 (non-Maori), 77/73 (Maori). Suicide rate: men 74/16. We could go on. The only significant stat running against women is income (Men 53/47)”
So women are better educated, imprisoned less, live longer, but still earn less? How does that work without omitting criteria that doesn’t suit your narrative?
Seymour just trolling surely, MRAs prob closely linked to ACT I would imagine.
What narrative? That David Seymour has a point?
We have a Ministry for Women which seems to have two primary goals, gender pay equality, and reducing violence against Women. These are two very significant social ills that need addressing, but are they any more significant than our men growing up poorly educated with high imprisonment rates (I would suggest there is a link right there) and dying younger?
Well, the first step would be to see whether other socioeconomic or demographic factors have a greater correlation and causal relationship than “men”, and whether those factors are being independantly addressed by other responsible ministries.
By just ignoring the historic and current power imbalance within society and leaping upon arbitrary gender distinctions, your narrative of “what about teh menz” is shallow, venal, self-absorbed and stupid. If a targeted effort is needed, it should target the division that causes the power imbalance that causes the negative outcomes, which does not necessarily equate to the most obvious example of division within those outcomes.
Search for the confounding variable, not the one that matches your preconceptions.
See response to Sabine below. The gender links regarding education have already been identified, perhaps the idea of a ‘Ministry for Men’ doesn’t fit your preconceptions. Or perhaps it is just because of who raised the issue…
You’re welcome to demonstrate the systemic issues that make your whinge du jour a male issue rather than a cultural or socioeconomic issue. Because domestic violence and income disparities are direct results of historic treatment and social relegation of women. But men were always the main populators of prison, for example, even when women were little more than property. Prison isn’t a male problem it’s a social problem . Addressing it as a male problem restricts the list of observable solutions.
Damn, if those pesky women would just go back to the three K’s. Kinder, Kirche, Kueche.
Surely all would be good for the poor misunderstood man that fail in all other categories other then wages. Despite being lesser educated, more often imprisoned and live shorter yet they still earn more money.
Ministry of vulnerable men indeed. 🙂
For what its worth my wife earns more then I do but its my hope that one day I can finally achieve my dream of become a kept man, living off my wifes earnings
Sadly though its yet to happen 🙂
average Puckish Rogue, on average women earn less then man. And i really hope that we don’t have to re-hash this truth.
My partner also hopes he could be a kept man, however i have been telling him for years that i started working at an earlier age (cause girls will have husbands and need no stinkn higher education 🙂 ) as he did cause he got that higher education thingy, so if anyone is to be kept it would be me. But alas, i don’t really function well when kept and having to ask for stuff. So i go to work every day 🙂 and count my pennies.
Come on Sabine, PR hates women – of course he going to rehash it.
What makes you say that?
Your comments and your attitude here.
I mean look at your history PR. It shows.
Interestingly enough even though my wife makes more then me (its not a great deal more to be completely honest) I pretty much the financial decisions in our household because, in her words, its “I trust you” and when it comes to decisions about our retirement its “I’m not interested in that, I’ll leave it up to you”
Men definitely get the raw end of the stick as the stats show
Are we allowed to say such yet? Or we not that advanced to recognise these things ……
prison
early death
low education
suicide
great aint it
prison? so that has got nothing to do with man offending at a higher rate?
early death? maybe you want to complain to certain businesses that don’t implement safety for their workers, the forestry industry comes to mind for once.
low education? Are you saying that boys in NZ are not going to the same schools as girls? Are you saying that schools in NZ are discriminating against boys? Or may it be that boys often don’t get the support they need from their families, where as girls know that if they don’t finish schools they will never ever be anything other the a min wage slave? (the boys in my partners family who have not finished school did so cause ‘school was boring’ and ‘ i am not learning anything’ and ‘i don’t need this i can be like my dad’).
suicide: this is the one thing in NZ that always stumps me, it is such an issue and the country as a collective refuses to talk about it and do something about it. . (the mind does not understand)
Good for you Sabine, at least you are starting to ask the questions that need to be asked about the hard raw life so very many men get..
Though I do worry that there is a lack of consistency when similar such questions are put about other sectors of our population, for example your question one and Maori and prison…. we know the question is not that simple is it ….
at least the issues are getting out there though
cos you know, I don’t want to die early just because I’m male, nor go to prison – but that is the reality for us
You’re not going to die early because you’re male, or go to prison because you’re male. Statistical differences at the population level tell us nothing about particular individuals, that’s why the whole “paid 12% less because you’re a woman” thing was a crock of shit. We don’t need a “sent to prison because you’re a man” crock of shit to even things out…
mate i have always asked the question.
but frankly do not blame the success of the girls to the failure of the boys.
or let me rephrase this, would the failure of your son be the result of your daughters success? or would you rather your daughter pretend to fail so your son could be successful?
If and when women commit more crimes and are apprehended for it they will end up in prison.
This has got nothing to do with Maori men being more likely to be arrested then white men – this has more to do with institutionalized racism, alive and very well in NZ as recent cases have shown again. btw. no girl forced that rich boy to beat a women unconscious, and no girl forced that judge to give that rich boy a slap with a very wet bus ticket.
as for you dying early, eat well, drink in moderation, laugh a lot and you may live long, do not offend, don’t piss off popo and you will not go to prison.
Again, this has got nothing to do with women.
care to comment that the women despite it all still earn less then men? or is it that men should earn more cause men? 🙂
Ahhh, a classic victim blaming argument.
😛
“low education? Are you saying that boys in NZ are not going to the same schools as girls? Are you saying that schools in NZ are discriminating against boys?”
It may have a link to the ratio’s of Female/Male teachers in our system,:
“The dominant research perspective is that connected to issued of male identity formation – specifically how boys see themselves as learners. Much of the research suggests that issues of gender identity are the most significant area to understand and address in boys’ education issues. In this approach, consideration is given to how boys perceive themselves as learners in contemporary classrooms and how this translates into educational achievement.
It also claimed in some research that aspects of education are ‘feminised’ and inherently biased towards the achievement of girls”
http://www.ero.govt.nz/publications/boys-education-good-practice-in-secondary-schools/introduction/
Perhaps the boys in your family were ‘bored’ and didn’t learn anything because the teaching methods being used were not conducive to their learning requirements.
This could be the root cause of why male incarceration rates and suicide rates are so high also. If you don’t feel like you fit in…if only we had a Ministry that could be researching these links further.
A Ministry genuinely makes sense in light of these massive issues …
so who is stopping the men from educating boys? Who is stopping men from going into the teaching profession? Why not more boys only schools?
as for the teaching methods, is that the fault of girls? Or is that the fault of governments? And the fact that maybe some kids are not made for long studies? you will find if you search here that I am one who advocates for proper apprenticeships as i fully understand that not every one is made for the academics.
But is that the fault of girls?
I can’t and won’t comment on the suicide rates, as i stated above, i can not understand why NZ is refusing to have an open and honest discussion about it. Maybe it has to do with that stupid bull shit about ‘harden up’, have a beer mate ‘she’ll be alright’ attitude that is so prevalent in this country.
Maybe we should just have a Ministry for Vulnerable Humans.
But non of this has anything to do with Girls, how they do in school, how old they live and how much less they get paid then their male counterparts in equal roles.
men don’t go into primary or early childhood education any more for obvs reasons.
“men don’t go into primary or early childhood education any more for obvs reasons.” – Coz the work is too hard? Can get better pay laying gravel on roads? Funny how most principals are males innit?
what reasons?
and why obvious?
Thought that was fairly obvious, accusations of kiddy fiddling,
Men fear career-ending accusations of paedophilia. It’s not a trivial concern.
Someone even made a movie about it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hunt_(2012_film)
just sad then, how a few fuckwits have fucked it up for the men and the teaching profession. No?
I still believe that Gangnam Style reasons have more to do with it, namely that they pay is too lowly for men to even apply.
But I can see how some men may fear these accusations so much that all of the men refuse to be teachers. Especially when one considers the girls and their knobbly knees that adult male teachers must be protected from.
http://www.newstalk.com/New-Zealand-school-girls-told-to-wear-longer-skirts-to-create-a-good-work-environment-for-male-staff
“This was reportedly to ‘keep our girls safe, stop boys from getting ideas and create a good work environment for male staff’.”
– cause we can’t trust men and boys to behave themselves appropriatly we must cover our girls to keep them safe. Yeah, right fucking Tui.
There’s also the issue of young girls using the “he touched me accusation” to get leverage over or get back at male teachers.
As demonstrated on this site on numerous occasions, the female is always truthful and honest and the man is always guilty.
Your career could be over just like that.
seriously BM there are how many Girls accusing teachers of having touched them? In NZ?
when you google Girls accusing teachers of molestation what comes up are cases of teachers – male and female – of having been accused and found guilty of molestation, or sexual misconduct.
https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=teachers+accused+of+sexual+molestation+in+NZ&oq=teachers+accused+of+sexual+molestation+in+NZ&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l5.6305j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
I still believe that the low pay is more of an issue
https://www.teachnz.govt.nz/teaching-in-new-zealand/salaries/
Primary teacher salaries
The current starting salary for a primary school teacher with a Bachelor’s teaching degree is $47,039.
Secondary teacher salaries
The current entry salary for a secondary school teacher who holds registration granted by The Education Council of Aotearoa New Zealand and a New Zealand Qualifications Framework (NZQF) Level 7 subject or specialist qualification (the qualification must have at least 72 credits at Level 7) and a recognised teaching qualification is $50,268.
so essentially there is not a lot of pay involved in teaching, despite a high level of qualification demanded.
Might it not just be that many blokes look at teaching and go nah, can’t be arsed, to hard and not enough pay.
but hey, i can see where ‘i might get accused of inapropriate behaviour’ seems like an nicer out instead of saying i am not paid enough to bother with the badly educated kids of others.
Yeah, the pay isn’t stellar ether, other reasons include.
!. low pay.
2, Mainly Woman environment
3,Accusations of kiddy fiddling
4.Seems to be very little career prospects.
5. Getting hit on by kids Mothers.
6,Looked on with suspicion by a good percentage of the public.
The only positive is the amount of holidays you get.
!. low pay. – Well maybe if men were to join the service pay would go up?
2, Mainly Woman environment – Maybe if men were to join the service it would be a mixed environment?
3,Accusations of kiddy fiddling – both men and women have been found guilty of the offense, so really that is just a cheap cop out, also cops, doctors, sales people, it people and all other sorts of people have been accused and found guilty of the offense. so maybe men should just stay at home and never leave the house without an appropriate chaperone? A mother, wife, or aunty would do. Only old women of course. Lest you get accused?
4.Seems to be very little career prospects. – principal? become Hekia Parata Minister of ‘Education’ at least you would be a Minister with teaching credentials?
5. Getting hit on by kids Mothers. – why no gay men have children in school?
6,Looked on with suspicion by a good percentage of the public. -you have a very low opinion of a. yourself, and b. the public
The only positive is the amount of holidays you get. – yei, upside.
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but the reason there are no more men in teaching is men like yourself, as it is you who would taunt the male teacher with your bogus accusations, your bogus snide remarks and your bullshit suspicion.
But it lets you blame the women for not doing their job education your son or your future son should he fail in school. Cause while a man may have been better we can fully understand why no man would want that low pay, low career option, surrounded by women, low regards type o job.
i can see how that makes sense.
The biggest thing that would help men would be to restrict alcohol – alcohol is a contributing factor in crime, early death and suicide.
Hi m pledger, I read recently, a few essays on suicide in aotearoa.
Disconnection from community seemed to be a strong factor in suicide.
That is not to deny the part alcohol may play.
I agree with Sabine, the silence around this issue is not helping.
They’d be happier and live longer if they stayed at home and looked after their children.
Does Seemore Coq know what the incarceration rates were when fewer women got degrees? I’m betting it was similar to now.
The apple doesn’t fall far….
A man who had blown up bombs in New York, and shot multiple times at the police. He is wounded and then arrested.
An African-American is shot dead for walking or driving and is unarmed.
Anyone else see the blatant contradiction?
Excellent comment Ianmac ! Whom amongst us can’t see the blatant contradiction ? “Black Lives” DON’T matter. In contrast to other rotten lives which DO matter. If only for the purposes of the show trial which follows.
NZ should sell all its best food producing companies to the Chinese, that’s the way forward for this country.
You forgot the /sarc
Things gotten too peaceful for you CV?
The 9/11 and trump squabbles aren’t enough.
The agitation is strong in this one.
Damn right I am agitated.
Silver Fern Farms, sold off to the Chinese
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/84462859/government-approves-shanghai-malingsilver-fern-farms-deal
Hi Colonial Viper
The response can be distilled to TINA
we clearly need 3 more years of National then, cause job well done.
ahh.. i see.
apparently its going to
‘ create substantial and identifiable benefit’.
excellent, i can rest easy with paula bennett on the case.