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Truth no longer matters

Written By: - Date published: 10:15 am, July 14th, 2013 - 167 comments
Categories: david shearer, labour, making shit up, Media - Tags: , , ,

A significant proportion of the media is now heavily invested in the narrative that David Shearer is about to be rolled as Labour leader. In particular Patrick Gower and Duncan Garner have become so obsessed that they have become the object of regular satire. Matt McCarten’s piece today sums it up well:

This week was even more depressing. Some in the media have become so bored and cynical they now make up political news.

Labour had a conference remit to allow electorates to restrict selections to women. The media scrum screamed that Labour leader David Shearer would be toppled for allowing PC to go viral in his party. Shearer knocked out the remit. The scrum reversed tack, spinning he would now be toppled for interfering in party democracy.

That was bit weak so they invented a story about a letter signed by MPs, calling for his head. Every MP denied it, which only proved, to the scrum anyway, their fiction must be true. For their own credibility, the media now needs to keep the story alive and frame Shearer as a leader under internal attack. Truth no longer matters.

Politics was once about noble ideas. Now it’s about media celebrity and intrigue. No wonder New Zealanders have disengaged. And civil society is poorer for it.

Yes – civil society is poorer for it.

Truth no longer matters, and Shearer is damned if he does, damned if he doesn’t. Every coup denial is further proof of a coup. Take it away Brian…

167 comments on “Truth no longer matters”

  1. BM 1

    He’s boned, everyone except the most deluded realizes that.

  2. dumrse 2

    Stay in touch with WO, he knows what happening.

    • felix 2.1

      No need to stay in touch. He posts his innermost inanities right here on a regular basis under his various trool handles.

      • Yes 2.1.1

        Here’s some truth not recorded on here. Matt hasn’t paid his employees paye …and you tell him that he knows about the thrift. Good grief..you are really sick audience.

  3. Ed 3

    A good post Anthony, thanks. Mediawatch this morning covered some of the same issues.

  4. North 4

    Yes…….why bother with such a trifle as “truth”.

    The story about the story is far more interesting for the suck-ups. “How well was the lie peddled ?” is the order of the day – mine Potty Gower and the rest of the Dunning-Kruger afflicted narcissists.

    Fourth Estate is trumped by Fart Estate.

    Except as to Campbell whom sadly is in a minority of one !

  5. Appleboy 5

    Can we ban that fucking troll BM – he’s devoid of a single well made point, just coming (oo err) here to get his daily verbal jerk off. Perish that thought, with all that inner frustrated angst. We don’t need it(him?)

    • r0b 5.1

      Agreed on all counts. But he hasn’t attracted lprent’s attention for violating policy.

      • BM 5.1.1

        Just because someone disagrees, that doesn’t make them a troll.

        • Draco T Bastard 5.1.1.1

          Disagreements fine it’s just that you invariably have no argument (or, at least, one that stands up to scrutiny) for your position but you keep parroting it anyway.

  6. red blooded 6

    Let’s be honest; Shearer needs to up his game. Having said that, I don’t see much of a media scrum about the inanities, inaccuracies and misleading crap that passes as comment when it issues forth from Gower, Garner or their ilk. They need to learn to make a distinction between analysis and prejudice and between prediction and stirring. Who elected them and bestowed on them the level of political power they assume is their due?

    Mediawatch did explore this issue a bit, but others (Q&A, The Nation etc) have basically just said, “Not yet, but still on the way”. It hasn’t occurred to them to re-examine the veracity of the supposed sources. After all, their darling boys couldn’t possibly be wrong, or stirring…

  7. muzza 7

    r0b – Truth, is a key enabler of so called democracy, and a key criteria for so called, freedom!

    Without, truth, we are slaves, we are in an open air prison, trapped by lies, making decisions without the appropriate information, which is as reprehensible a situation, as one could ever nightmare up!

    Humanity, has not had truth, quite possibly, ever!

    • UglyTruth 7.1

      In commerce, truth is sovereign. Commerce isn’t limited to exchanges involving money, an exchange of valued ideas is a form of commerce. Some of the most valuable truths are the ones which are kept from you by your adversary.

  8. Gower reminds me of the kind of obnoxious pricks I thought I’d finished with when I left high school. First, he spends days scaremongering Slater/Farrar’s “man ban” into a test of Shearer’s leadership; then, when the hapless schmuck Shearer demonstrates this alleged “leadership” and kills the remit, Gower shifts immediately to concern trolling about what a terrible affront this is to the people who submitted the remit. It’s school bully stuff, and a real shame that Shearer plays the role of victim so well.

    • r0b 8.1

      I can’t work you out PM. For a “RWNJ” you’re often remarkably open minded. Most of the righties who comment here are mind-numbingly predicable. You are not. Keep up the good work!

      • ak 8.1.1

        Agreed r0b, forgive the subtle “blame the victim” jibe and another lost sheep is almost home…..

        • Jimmie 8.1.1.1

          I would have thought PM is more of a pinko with occasional flashes of common sense – see his posts at nominister from time to time.

  9. Anne 9

    …they invented a story about a letter signed by MPs, calling for his head.

    I wonder whether Duncan Garner was hoaxed as indeed I wonder if Patrick Gower was hoaxed a couple of weeks previously. A lesson to both of them to check and double check their so-called sources?

    Labour had a conference remit to allow electorates to restrict selections to women.

    That remit was briefly debated at last year’s Annual Conference. While I’m sure all delegates were in complete agreement with the basic premise, the remit was clumsily put together and should have been carefully re-phrased in a more acceptable way. It was an unpleasant surprise when it popped up again in its original form – more or less anyway.

    However it’s unfair to blame Shearer who cannot be expected to have a handle on every proposed remit, and believe me there are hundreds of them at any one time in the Labour Party. That is the job of the remit committees who didn’t have their eye on the ball. Not good enough!

  10. AmaKiwi 10

    Personality politics versus issue politics.

    I do not believe in personality politics. Eventually every personality will disappoint you.

    I believe in principles, ideals, issues.

    How did we get to this sorry state of personality politics? Because the only thing that matters in our vacuous parliamentary debates is what one’s leader demands. I can talk ’til I’m blue in the face to National MPs about the absurdity of charter schools, Sky City pokies, GCSB off the rails. It’s a waste of breath. When the PM (of either party) says, “Jump!” their entire caucus in unison asks, “How high, your majesty?”

    It is a farce to call New Zealand MPs “representatives.” They are vassals of their respective leaders.

    Since we cannot get a change of policy without changing the leader, we are mired in personality contests.

    The system has failed us and the country is the poorer for it.

    • RedLogix 10.1

      Excellent comment AmaKiwi.

      Of course the media doesn’t do principles or policies. Doesn’t sell advertising space.

  11. Struth 11

    Shearer is finished. Everyone in the game knows that, including Garner. Talk to MPs, party office holders, union leaders, anyone you like – he is finished. The only support Shearer has is the people in his pay – and even most of them are backing Grant.

    The only thing keeping Shearer in his position now is the division of those who wish to roll him. You seem to expect that the MPs currently negotiating his demise will call up reporters and dob themselves in. Your position is naive in the extreme.

    Quoting Matt McCarten, a man too proud to admit his pro-Shearer hysteria was misguided and has helped condemn his members to three more years of National, doesn’t help your case. He doesn’t know what’s going on – he isn’t involved with Labour and is completely out of the loop.

    What I want to know is why you’re so stridently defending a leader who has no support in caucus, the party or the affiliates. Let it go, man.

    • r0b 11.1

      Who is “stridently defending” Shearer? It’s clear that he has problems as Labour leader, and even he would admit that it’s been a grim week or two. What isn’t clear yet is whether Shearer is terminal, or whether he can turn it around.

      This post is about (some of) the media’s obsession with Shearer, their attempts to write the narrative for him. A separate and valid topic – see e.g. Mediawatch linked above. Unless you’re accusing Mediawatch of stridently defending Shearer?

      • Struth 11.1.1

        You’re clearly trying to pretend – as is the leader’s office – that there’s nothing to see here.

        The media have given Shearer a bloody fair run given his poor performance. I’ve even talked to some journos who’ve admitted they’ve cut him generously because they felt sorry for him. They really tried to give him anothet shot after November. But they can’t ignore the fact he’s now lost support at all levels of the party. The journos know this – they talk to people at all levels of the party, they know who the leakers are (some of the names might surprise you) and they know a dead man walking when they see it.

        I’d suggest the media have a duty to report this stuff. I understand some are cautious about their motives but in this case they’re on the money.

        All this whining about the media does is make you look out of touch and out of the loop.

        • r0b 11.1.1.1

          You’re clearly trying to pretend – as is the leader’s office – that there’s nothing to see here.

          That is what you are reading in to what I wrote. Once again – similar comments were made on Mediawatch – are they trying to pretend about Shearer? Defending Shearer? No – they are examining media behaviour.

          • Struth 11.1.1.1.1

            So, do you think Shearer will survive until the election? Do you think he should?

            • r0b 11.1.1.1.1.1

              Probably (by no means certainly), and yes (as long as the long run polls of polls keep extending the lead of the left block).

          • RedLogix 11.1.1.1.2

            r0b,

            I think Struth is right. And so is Pascal’s Bookie … Shearer survives only as everyone’s second (rapidly becoming third) best choice.

            I’ve done my very best to hold off on the overt Shearer bashing. I think he was very ill-served by those who pushed him into a role he was obviously unprepared for and one that ultimately he’s demonstrated a lack of talent for.

            He would have made a perfectly good Minister of Something Important. Every govt needs people of that calibre and experience.

            The problem for the entire left at the moment is that aside from the somewhat isolated figure of Cunliffe there is no-one in any Party who has the potential to be an inspirational leader.

            In the aftermath of Muldoon (and the comparisons with Key are becoming increasingly apt) Lange was able to claim an extraordinary loyalty from the electorate … despite the havoc being wrought by Douglas. Where is the equivalent figure on the left today?

            For while personality politics is always self-limiting, it is what we are stuck with.

            • Hami Shearlie 11.1.1.1.2.1

              Agreed re Cunliffe – he’s the only person in the Labour Caucus who is both inspirational AND very very intelligent as a politician – I would so love to see him up against Shonkey – I think Shonkey would be chewed up and spat out in quick measure!

              • geoff

                Cunliffe is inspirational to section of Labour but he’s also despised by another section.
                He’s my second choice behind Andrew Little.
                Little would possibly take Labour (and the country) further Left than Cunliffe AND, although some don’t think of him as inspirational, he is absolutely a person of integrity and character and is very well regarded by a big chunk of working class NZ.
                I also think Little is the perfect antithesis of John Key. John Key the flashy surface who is completely absent of an interior vs Little who is like a rough nugget of strong principles.

                • Just do It

                  Little is a list MP.
                  Never won a seat,
                  He has a future… two terms away.
                  Don’t repeat the same mistake as we did with Shearer.

                  I’d leave Labour if we repeated the Goff and Shearer mistake.

                  • Colonial Viper

                    I do not understand why Labour people seem determined to send new green recruits up over the trench wall to run at the machine guns. It’s hopeless. Helen Clark had 12 years in Parliament before she became leader, and her political experienced showed every day.

                    • geoff

                      This really smart chap called Geoff explained it to you the other day, CV.
                      In other words, you’re plain wrong. Little isn’t Shearer and he isn’t a noob.
                      Am I right in thinking you are a Cunliffe supporter? I am too but I just think Little would be better and he isn’t considered a divisive figure within Labour.

                  • geoff

                    Your opinion hinges on those two points? If so then you are simply ignorant of Andrew Little and his background.
                    Presume you’d prefer Cunliffe but if you were being truthful you would recognise that he is a very risky candidate for further internal ructions.

                    • Boadicea

                      Cut it Geoff, there is no problem with Cunliffe. Ask the members!

                      A small group arounf Goff and King want their pensions to vest, they knew Cunliffe viewed then as being beyong ther sell-by-date. So they ptcked a patsy. Cunliffe will be a great unifying leader. Stop repeating Mallard/Cosgrove lines.

                      Little has only started into his apprenticeship. Dont wreck him by making him leader too soon.

                      Xxxx love your work. Keep it up.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      I’ve said it to geoff before – Little has a distinguished 20 year Parliamentary career ahead of him if he wants it, including a good long spell at the top. To want it all, and to want it all now…I believe would be highly ill-advised.

                    • Chooky

                      Little really , really bombed out with his personal vote in the Taranaki electorate ….Say no more!…Why foist another dud on the voting/non-voting Labourite.

                      Why keep ignoring the choice of the grassroots Labour members? … Cunliffe is their vote.!!!. (especially as everyone knows that those who regard him as ” a very risky candidate for further internal ructions “….. are dead wood.)

                    • geoff

                      Boadicea & CV: Well I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree.
                      You may be correct about the membership preferring Cunliffe but the reality is that the significant number of caucus members, who are anti-Cunliffe, are not just going to conveniently disappear and that is what would drive further internal ructions.

                      Chooky: It’s not just about the electorate vote. I believe Little could bring in more party vote than Cunliffe could.

                      Anyway, Cunliffe would be a much preferred option to Shearer.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      Little would certainly be a preferred choice to Shearer. One thing I would like to see is how Little holds the line on important questions of left wing political economy, when he is tested.

                      As for Cunliffe possibly being in the mix, I know he has been greatly enjoying just focussing on his electorate and portfolio duties. Must be a relief not to be in the firing line of his “colleagues” leaking on each other for once. Seriously, why would he subject himself to the same ongoing caucus BS which hasn’t changed one bit since 2012.

            • r0b 11.1.1.1.2.2

              Agreed, mostly. But I don’t think we get to find out if Shearer is that figure unless / until he fights an election campaign as leader.

              Like the personality politics, the “once in three years” test is a pain in the ass, but we’re stuck with it.

            • Anne 11.1.1.1.2.3

              Agree 100% with Redlogix.

              Right from the start I believed they were doing David Shearer a huge disservice pushing him into the top job without the necessary political experience. What made it worse is that the pushing was coming from senior caucus members – all of whom had years and years of political experience between them, and they must have known how difficult it was going to be for him. They were more interested in maintaining control over the parliamentary party and they saw David Shearer as someone who would be easy to manipulate?

              Perhaps it’s time to get down to the nitty-gritty reason why I think David Cunliffe was so badly treated:

              Cunliffe was Helen Clark’s preferred successor. I understand he turned it down because he recognised that the leadership role after the 2008 defeat was going to be a poisoned chalice. It was the wise thing to do and no-one can blame him.

              I suspect the longer standing MPs never forgave Cunliffe for – essentially – being Helen Clark’s favourite, and from that point onwards they perceived everything he did and said as evidence he was plotting against Phil Goff and later… David Shearer. The erroneous assumption that Cunliffe withheld important fiscal information from Goff prior to the final campaign leadership debate is a good case in point.

              Now they’re in the ignominious position that in the event of a leadership contest before the next election, they may have to eat humble pie and go with the best person for the job – David Cunliffe. Can they do it? Have my doubts. Their perceptions are probably too ingrained now.

              • handle

                First time I have heard anybody say “Cunliffe was Helen Clark’s preferred successor.” Any evidence to back that up?

                • Anne

                  Anecdotal evidence from individuals who should know better than most and they’re NOT journalists.

                  Naturally handle there is no ‘evidence’ by way of video or the written word in the public arena.

              • RedLogix

                Interesting Anne.

                In the light of that information (I had imagined that it was Phil Goff who was HC’s preferred successor) it would have been much smarter for Goff to have stayed on after the 2011 election, and then gallantly stood aside around now for Cunliffe to step up in time for 2014. And been well-rewarded with nice job of his choosing.

                Certainly I spoke out here several times that I would have preferred Goff not resign. Here’s a comment I made at the time:

                I think Goff and King standing down is a blunder of historic proportions. Right now I don’t think Labour is going to recover from this….ever.

                Time could prove me wrong, but while I rather like Cunliffe for his excellent communication skills… I can’t see him doing any better than Goff. Goff at least earned a lot of grudging respect for how he handled this campaign, and now it’s all been squandered.

                http://thestandard.org.nz/two-weeks-to-choose/#comment-409478

                If I can be allowed to qualify this with hindsight a little; I don’t think Cunliffe would have a much better run than Goff at the time. The Key machine was until recently so rampant I don’t think DC would have been any kind of magic wand against that. But Key’s teflon is suddenly showing some patches and for the next 18 months … Leader of the Opposition will no longer be the poisoned chalice it has been until now.

                • Anne

                  In the light of that information (I had imagined that it was Phil Goff who was HC’s preferred successor) it would have been much smarter for Goff to have stayed on after the 2011 election, and then gallantly stood aside around now for Cunliffe to step up in time for 2014. And been well-rewarded with nice job of his choosing.

                  Agreed Redlogix.

                  I was given to understand Phil Goff was Helen’s second choice. I have no proof of course but I had sufficient trust in the integrity of the persons who told me that I believe it. I also think Phil Goff is to be given full credit for standing up to the Nacts and delivering an excellent performance during the 2011 campaign. It didn’t help he only had a shortened campaign period (due to RWC) to prove his worth. I suspect the undermining of Cunliffe came from elsewhere in the caucus, and Goff and King were merely responding to it. But that’s just a hunch on my part.

                  • Colonial Viper

                    I was given to understand Phil Goff was Helen’s second choice.

                    +1

                    Also back the statements that Goff should have stayed on, but it became obvious that a great many MPs seemed to have their heart set on a short term change, regardless of what the best strategic move for the party would have been.

              • RedLogix

                And I’d add this … Goff resigning and opening the door to Shearer has essentially created a power vacuum into which various factions and alliances have been striving to fill ever since.

                With no success because Shearer was never in a position to resolve any of it. His one attempt at asserting his authority, lashing out at Cunliffe after the 2012 Convention was a dud because he picked the wrong target.

                • Populuxe1

                  Goff should have stayed as leader to have taken Labour to the election, not limped off just as he’d acquired enough mana to pull it off.

                • hush minx

                  I think if Cunliffe does end up as leader the experiences he’s had, like getting dumped on at conference, will actually make him a better leader. Experiencing tough times is what makes us grow, and I think the DC who would stand now it’s very different to the one before. Let’s hope HC would still approve!

                  • Colonial Viper

                    The chances of the current Labour caucus standing behind any new leader in a consistent way, for any extended duration, is roughly nil. So my advice to Cunliffe remains the same – stay the hell away from the chalice, keep up the good work as an electorate MP, focus on the portfolios he has, and enjoy the extra time with the family.

                    Everyone else in caucus can busy themselves running around counting their numbers and cutting deals behind Shearer’s back.

                    • Boadicea

                      Cunliffe has to accept his fate. He is the only one who can unify the WHOLE party: Caucus, Council, sectoral groups and Members.

                      It is not in a real leader’s make-up to sacrifice his people to three years of deprivation rather than take on a risky fight.

                      Ducking a responsibility to take over the Leadership immediately is the approach of a looser.

                      Cunliffe is a winner.

    • Colonial Viper 11.2

      The only thing keeping Shearer in his position now is the division of those who wish to roll him.

      The other thing is timing. A new Leader would have to be selected by a Membership/unions process. By the time all is said and done we’ll be in an election year. And a Labour loss in election year would likely mean whoever became Leader now would be replaced in Feb ’15.

      • ghostwhowalksnz 11.2.1

        Thats why the story needed Shearer to ‘resign’ after being confronted bynthe so called petition with Mps names on it.

        • Arfamo 11.2.1.1

          Duncan Garner made an assertion and predictions based on an assumed reliable information source. His claim about the letter has been shown to be nonsense and his prediction was wrong. Surely the principal lesson to learn from this is that all future Duncan Garner assertions and predictions should be viewed with the high level of skepticism the evidence shows this one rightly deserved.

      • Boadicea 11.2.2

        CV. I believe that Shearer and Robertson will resign very soon. Weeks.
        We could have a new Leader by Conference in Christchurch.

        The possibility of loosing in 2014 should not be a consideration in fixing the very broken leadership issue.
        Any other approach will definitely lead to an Election loss.

        • Colonial Viper 11.2.2.1

          The possibility of loosing in 2014 should not be a consideration in fixing the very broken leadership issue.

          Indeed, but that is probably not how privileged careerists think.

        • Jackal 11.2.2.2

          Shearer and Robertson will resign very soon? Do you have some evidence to base this belief on Boadicea, or is this simply the wishful thinking of a NActUF voter? Remember, the Duncan Garner coup letter has been proven to be entirely false. It was simply another diversion and attempt by an already discredited right wing hack to cause speculation about David Shearer as leader of the opposition.

          With nobody else in Labour challenging for the role, what people need to ask themselves is do they want another three years of John Key and National…because if Shearer is rolled, that’s exactly what they’ll get. Many voters will think there isn’t a stable alternative to the current government. Your choice is between John Key’s track record or David Shearer’s…and in my opinion the painter on the roof scandal just doesn’t compare.

          The left wing has a good chance to win the next election, but only if these dangerous narratives are curtailed at the earliest opportunity. If they’re allowed to run right up to the next election, you may as well kiss your country goodbye.

          The media simply won’t stop because they get their own way. In fact the MSM has demonstrated that they get even worse after a Labour party compromise. I think what Labour and other left wing party’s need to do is challenge the MSM at every opportunity. Leaving such untruths and manipulations unanswered is clearly not working. If National and their propagandists want a fight without rules, that’s exactly what they should get. Go on the offensive and attack National and their media affiliates at every opportunity.

          People might recall that the right wing spin-doctors did exactly the same thing with Phil Goff when he was Labour leader, and Helen Clark before him for that matter. However the rhetoric seems to be even worse this time, perhaps because the race is a lot closer. It’s unfortunate that the right wings manipulations are getting the attention they clearly don’t deserve.

          I don’t think losing the 2014 election is an option. There won’t be much of New Zealand left to govern if National have another four years at the helm.

          • Boadicea 11.2.2.2.1

            Hi Jackal 11.2.2.2 @5.03pm.
            Why do I say Shearer/Robertson will be gone in weeks?

            Polls: The next polls will have him in the 20s, following the poor handling of the Sky City box and the ManBan affairs.
            Membership: Not even electorate people who used to advocate for him are asserting support. Shearer’s former supporters are either sadly silent or openly despairing at the repeated clumsiness.
            NZ Council and Women’s Council: they are sooo pissed with Shearer’s handling on the ManBan. The relationship between the Caucus and the Council is broken.
            MPs: the ABC core, King, Goff, Jones, Cosgrove, Fa’foi have lost the respect of their middle ground colleagues because of Sky Box and ManBan.
            Many of those MPs and aspiring MP’s see that we cannot get the Party vote into the 30s with Shearer against Key. They are looking around.

            Those factors, and not Garner/Gower, are why Shearer will resign in weeks.Robertson has to resign at the same time as both positions will be up for election.

            • Ad 11.2.2.2.1.1

              Onya Boodicka. With Cunliffe all the way.

              See how long the ABC club can hold out. It’s been 4 years though.

              Here’s hoping for a better Labour Party than the one we get now.

            • Mary 11.2.2.2.1.2

              That there was a “letter” may not have been the truth but Shearer leaving the leadership must surely be true. If it’s not it needs to be.

    • geoff 11.3

      Struth! Nailed it! (and not in a fucked up pintrest project kinda way)

  12. red blooded 12

    Hey, I don’t see any strident defense in this or other postings on this issue by Anthony. What I do see is a critique of the way media histrionics impact on our democracy. I care about this and think it’s a timely thing to be discussing.

    I’ve already said that I think that Shearer needs to lift his game. Whether he’s capable of this and can mature into being an effective leader and spokesperson, I don’t know. Let’s not forget how Clarke was panned and seen as dead in the water during her first term, though. People can build their skills and learn from experience. Either way, the point remains that leadership of the Labour Party is up to members to decide, not attention-seeking political pundits. These guys should report the news, not try to make it.

    • RedLogix 12.2

      Lots of positive integers from me too…

    • Colonial Viper 12.3

      I love the way you use Helen Clark to make a point about Shearer developing over time. Seriously? Remember that Clark had the benefit of several terms experience as an MP, including time in government. She had served 12 years in Parliament including time as a Minister by the time she became Leader. Shearer has none of that going for him, and it shows.

      • Anne 12.3.1

        Appropriate correction CV. Helen had already built her skills and experiences over 10 plus years when she became the leader. rb’s comment is still on the mark though.

      • RedLogix 12.3.2

        What’s more I remember a Kim Hill Checkpoint interview from way back when she was a Minister of Health in the late 80′s and thinking to myself ..”she’s got what it takes to be a Prime Minister”.

        Never once got that sense from the grey man.

    • Struth 12.4

      “I’ve already said that I think that Shearer needs to lift his game. Whether he’s capable of this and can mature into being an effective leader and spokesperson, I don’t know”

      How long do you want to wait to find out?

      We’ve wasted the good part of a term in opposition waiting for the great leader we were promised to emerge. During this time Shearer’s weak leadership and the incompetence of those behind him have allowed National to further eviscerate our welfare state and attack the most vulnerable.

      We owe it to the people Labour represents to get a new leader in there with a good team around them in time to win the 2014 election. We all know deep down that Shearer can’t do it.

      • Pascal's bookie 12.4.1

        Yes. But until the caucus rallies around a replacement; It. Will. Not. Happen.

        • Struth 12.4.1.1

          Yeah, as I said, it’s only the division of Shearer’s opponents that’s keeping him there. But it’s a very fluid situation at the moment and alliances are shifting. It’ll happen, I just hope it doesn’t happen too late for 2014.

          • Pascal's bookie 12.4.1.1.1

            So you’ve got nothing. It’s been a ‘fluid situation’ since before Goff lost the last election, and here we are.

            The only thing that matters is the actual numbers, and a coup wan’t happen without them.

            MPs will leak stories saying it’s on not because it is on, but to try and create the pressure needed to bring it on. The fact those stories are happening, but coups are not happening, shows that Shearer still actually has the numbers.

            • Struth 12.4.1.1.1.1

              It’s a strange thing about coups – you can’t give what you have without revealing your sources. It’s the same problem the media have. But they’ll be talking to the same people I am – hearing publicly pro-Shearer MPs say he has to go, seeing quiet conversations in corridors between people who have recently been seen as enemies, hearing about the events where party members spontaneously toast his demise – and realising that his time is up. The Shearer project has collapsed, the only question is what to do next. You can choose to believe what you like, and I understand if you’re suspicious of the media. I’ll go with the evidence right in front of me.

              • Pascal's bookie

                But you have no credibility Struth.

                that’s the thing with pseudonyms. They are all well and good, (look see, I’ve got one too!) but they do mean that no one knows, and no one will, or should, take your personal claims as having any merit.

                For all we know you are Garner, or his source. Not saying you are, but claims to be talking with so-and-so about such-and-such aren’t worth anything from a pseudonym.

                So best you run along and have a think about how it all works and stop being so naive as to think anyone would take the stuff you are saying seriously from a pseudonym.

                What is ‘in fornt’ of us, is you pretty much engaging in the same thing garner was. Running off at the mouth and looking like a tool. Either name names, or GTFO basically. Either discuss it like a citizen, or act like an operative in the game. But if you do the latter, don’t expect people here not to see the game.

                • Struth

                  Like I say, it’s up to you what you choose to believe, and I can understand why you’d be suspicious of the press gallery and anonymous sources. But the fact is pseudonyms and anonymous sources are all you’re going to get until the moment of the coup. That’s how they game’s played, always has been and always will be. Regardless, I think anyone vaguely plugged into Labour at the moment can see the writing on the wall.

                  • Pascal's bookie

                    The writing is always on the wall.

                    Sometimes there are rumours of coups, and they never happen. (cf the last 3 years or so in Labour)

                    Sometimes there are no open rumours of coups, and then there’s open talk of it for 48 hours and then it’s done. (cf most fucking coups that actually happen)

                    Usually that’s how it works. the fact there are rumours being planted with journos, and by people by yourself, tells people who have actually watched politics for a while that they don’t have the numbers and are trying brute force to get them. But they won’t get them unless they can resolve the split in the anti-Shearer camp.

                    Given they appear to hate each other, the chances of that happening via this sort of carry on are slim.

                    If the plotters aren’t at a stage where they are prepared to go even slightly public, getting their names mentioned at least, then the writing is faint indeed.

                    I repeat, you’ve got nothing.

                    • RedLogix

                      The writing is always on the wall.

                      When the leader is competent and popular it’s written in invisible ink.

                    • geoff

                      You’re repeating a pointless assertion PB. Struth isn’t offering evidence, just some tasty gossip. And as someone who is really fed up with the Shearer fiasco, I feel a little hope when I read a convincing sounding tidbit from a claimed insider. Perhaps I’m deluded but I’ll cling to anything if it means I can believe that it will mean the arseholes controlling the Labour caucus get the shove.

                      I don’t actually think I’m deluded though, I attribute that to those who think Shearer should stay on as leader. It also lines up with the information I have been receiving from friends who are political insiders in Wellington. Oops now I sound just like Struth!

            • Colonial Viper 12.4.1.1.1.2

              The fact those stories are happening, but coups are not happening, shows that Shearer still actually has the numbers.

              I don’t think that’s quite the right conclusion, or at least not one which captures the essence of the situation.

              Shearer’s total mishandling of the “manban” (where he basically ignored all the advice he was given by both the caucus and the party) has finally focused very many peoples minds.

              • OneTrack

                Not to mention that the party has basically ignored Shearer as the man ban is still on. In other words, his authority is zero.

  13. Alanz 13

    “Some in the media have become so bored and cynical they now make up political news.”

    The best part of the past week is that Duncan Garner’s credibility has taken a hit and even my workmates who are not very interested in politics can now see he is untrustworthy.

    • Struth 13.1

      Duncan will be proven right, because he has eyes to see what is going on. A coup may not happen tomorrow, but it is inevitable. Politically, Shearer is finished. These potshots at the media only hasten his downfall.

      • Pascal's bookie 13.1.1

        Duncan was proven wrong on Tuesday night. There was no letter, Gower had no letter, there was no vote. That was his story.

        • TightyRighty 13.1.1.1

          Just because there is no letter, doesn’t mean there is no coup. the two aren’t vitally dependent on each other. If i was plotting a coup, the last thing i would do is commit anything to paper. especially in the labour party. remember chris carter? it wasn’t even that long ago

          • Pascal's bookie 13.1.1.1.1

            derp.

            Do *you* remember Chris Carter?

            He tried to launch a coup through destablisation, putting a letter in journo’s inboxes saying it was on.

            The only difference between what we know from Tuesday, and Carter’s fail parade is that this mp is smart enough to get himself source confidentiality. Other than that, there is about as much evidence of an actual coup being in the offing now as there was then.

            Was there a coup back then? No. There wasn’t.

            That doesn’t mean there won’t be one now, but all evidence points to the numbers not being there. If the numbers were there, they’d get it done rather than trying to foster the numbers through plays like this.

      • Arfamo 13.1.2

        Duncan was proven wrong. He cannot now be proven correct. To be proven correct he needs to make another specific assertion and prediction and to be proven right about the next one. Until then, the evidence is that Duncan’s predictions cannot be assumed to be correct. His last one was wrong.

  14. Anne 14

    …even my workmates who are not very interested in politics can now see he is untrustworthy.

    Not according to Fran O’Sullivan who described Garner on Q&A this morning as:

    “One of our most respected journalists”. :roll:

    • BIGDOG 14.1

      Yes Anne,the trouble with the msm is the fact that its a very small pool of National inclined dipshits who cravenly report anything said by JK as if its graven in stone.I gave up reading anything this appalling women says years ago as I already know her stance on everything.In fact if she was run over by a bus I could step into her job and I don’t think anyone would notice!As for this other clown,if he’s reduced to ranting on talkback radio for a crust,can he be taken seriously?

    • David H 14.2

      “One of our most respected journalists”. :roll:

      Yeah had to clean the keyboard and screen after they said that, should have a comedy warning up for those drinking coffee.

    • tc 14.3

      Fran O’Sullivan/Garner/Gower/Armstrong/Young etc all have little credibility as proper journalists with balance and intellect but they have soapboxes and self importance so they equate that to respect. .

      she meant one of our most egotistical/arrogant, delusional shills all of them.

  15. infused 15

    Garner wouldn’t have made that shit up. He has nothing to gain by doing it. Truth about the matter will eventually come out.

    Patrick Gower is such a fucking douche though.

    • Arfamo 15.1

      Garner wouldn’t have made that shit up. He has nothing to gain by doing it.

      He didn’t. His overestimation of his own intelligence made him gullible and he was played by someone who did have something to gain by his doing it. Have fun working out who.

    • Struth 15.2

      Exactly right. He knows as well as everyone else who’s in the loop that Shearer is finished. MPs are running the numbers as I type. This whining about the media looks pathetic to anyone on the inside.

      • Arfamo 15.2.1

        MPs are running the numbers as I type.

        Fair enough. You must be in the know somehow. How are the numbers looking at the moment? I don’t mind waiting while you check with your impeccable source. Shouldn’t take you longer than an hour I imagine.

        • David H 15.2.1.1

          What numbers??? As far as i can remember it’s 50% to trigger a voting system, that includes Members, Unions, and Politicians. Sorry if I got it wrong. So from what I see, Shearer can’t be ‘rolled’ like they did in Aussie, he has to be voted out .

          • Struth 15.2.1.1.1

            You’re talking about the electoral college after a spill. The trigger is a 50% vote of no confidence by caucus. Unfortunately there is no mechanism for the membership to trigger a spill.

      • Pascal's bookie 15.2.2

        hahahahaha:

        The only thing keeping Shearer in his position now is the division of those who wish to roll him.

        Any sign of that being resolved? No?

        Struth, you’re an idiot who read an espiner blogpost and thinks he knows stuff

        Ancient saying that a week is a long time in politics. In this day and age it’s an eon. It’s been nearly a week since Garner got captured by his source and there still has been nothing happen. He was wrong, and was used, and it hasn’t worked out for either his source or himself.

        When the coup didn’t happen on Tues, big time punter idiots were saying ‘it’ll be over the weekend then, that’ll be the timing because xyz’. Clocks ticking on that one too.

        So come on Struth. Put a timeframe on it. If it’s on, then that shouldn’t be hard.

        If it’s not on, then it’s not on.

        All political careers end in failure, as they say, so just saying that he will be rolled is pointless know-nothing fake wisdom. they will all be betrayed and rolled in one way or another. Today, a month, a year. It’s not a prediction that makes you look good unless you put a time on it.

        So step up. When?

        • Struth 15.2.2.1

          As we all know, the only person who has the numbers in caucus for a spill is Grant Robertson, and he doesn’t want one until after the election. But something major has changed over the last couple of weeks. The alliances (I wouldn’t call them factions) are starting to break down and people are having the conversations and working out the maths. I’ve had calls from many senior sources at all levels of the party over the last week saying the leadership is terminal. All agree Shearer is finished – he might still be the titular leader but he has no authority and no support.

          The mood on the third floor of Parliament is completely different – the place is in lockdown and a sense of panic is starting to take hold. Caucus has accepted that Shearer isn’t up to it and they’re worried if they don’t act now they’ll be forced to later and it’ll be too late to pull it back by 2014.

          So, division may be resolved by fear of a collapse and by internal pressure from the party (the number of angry letters from members is starting to rattle even the ABCs). They don’t have to actually agree on a leader, there just need to be enough of them worried enough about the leadership for 50% to trigger an election. That’s what these leaks are all about – the note to Gower, the man ban leak to Slater, the MP who came to Garner with the letter of no confidence story.

          Timing is the next question. What I’m hearing is it’ll be in the next couple of months so there’s a new leader for conference and doesn’t interfere with Chch East. If it’s not soon it’ll have to be after the by-election, which means a coup very late in the year.

          It’s not an exact science – you couldn’t say ‘there’ll be a coup next tuesday at the recess caucus’. Hell, this lot left Phil Goff in charge even after he covered up the Darren Hughes fiasco. What I can tell you is this – Shearer has no support and he’s reviled across the party, caucus are running numbers and it’s likely to happen before the end of the year. No amount of blog posts whining about the media reporting what they see is going to change this.

          • Macro 15.2.2.1.1

            “As we all know, the only person who has the numbers in caucus for a spill is Grant Robertson, and he doesn’t want one until after the election.”

            OMG! Labour is truly fucked!

            If what you say is anywhere close to the matter, the Labour caucus are a truly sad lot. I can see support for Labour going down the plug hole as I type…..
            Not that I have anything against Grant – but he is NOT the man any more than Shearer was.

            The commentators here – who are all passionate about promoting the ideals of left wing policies – have been calling here for months for someone to espouse true ideals and policies which incorporate the whole of society, not the top 20%. Some inkling that those in Parliament who supposedly represent the majority – not the well to do – are actually understanding of the state of our society as it has become. But their cry falls on deaf ears.. There is a massive disconnect between the so-called leaders, and those who want to follow.

          • Anne 15.2.2.1.2

            – Shearer has no support and he’s reviled across the party,…

            You’ve given yourself away Struth. That is garbage. David Shearer is not reviled. Many may not see him as the best person to be leader, but no-one reviles him. Don’t think I’ll bother to read any more of your ravings.

  16. Rajiv 16

    I think what is tearing Left apart in New Zealand is not lack of direction but inability to come to a consensus as to what common direction to take.

    Labour Party needs to move to center of the political spectrum for a broader support. But, as far as I can see, powerful Unions want to inject their agenda into the Labour Party. I’m not link whoring but I find this “policy” of Unite as crazy and everyone needs to read this and the comments below on this Kiwiblog post:

    http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/07/unite_complains_mcdonalds_hires_too_many_indians.html

    In my opinion, this Unite demand to dictate hiring of certain workers reflects one of the worst, bullying and manipulative side of the so called “Unions”.

    My own connections with New Zealand working-class, especially White working class are covered in this post:

    http://nzpolemicist.wordpress.com/2013/07/09/make-way-for-white-nz-political-party/

    Still, after this disclosure, I ask you, is a country made up of only the working class and the Labour Unions? Surely, there are many other classes and interest groups.

    Any sane political party, while supporting all classes, should target expanding the middle-class. Only then maximum number of citizens can have a better quality of life.

    Sooner the Labour Party realizes it the better.

    • Colonial Viper 16.1

      The greatest expansion of the middle class was in the 50′s and 60′s when unions were strong. The middle class has been decimated over the last 20 years as unions have also been decimated.

      And McDonalds jobs are not going to build a middle class, unions or no unions.

      As for Labour moving into the “centre”: a resource depletion debt fuelled global economic meltdown is underway. Our politics, centrist or not, currently has no answers for it.

    • Te Reo Putake 16.2

      Unite is not affiliated to the NZ Labour Party, Rajiv. And trying to appeal only to the centre is why Labour can’t get above the low thirties in polling. Unite does seem to have exposed a racist hiring policy at that Maccas branch, so good on them for exposing it. I hope the manager sees the error of his way and starts hiring from the wider community.

  17. Rajiv 17

    Please note in the comments section of the post, that I never said McDonalds jobs will build middle-class. In fact I said, anyone who would do those jobs at minimum wage for the rest of their life is to be pitied.

    First, my point was, what business is it of Unite to lay down the law–for an independent business– as to which workers should be hired?

    Furthermore, as I asked in the comments section, how can hiring a bunch of “New Zealanders” by firing another bunch “New Zealanders” solve the problem of unemployment?

    As the saying goes– a government (or Union) that robs Peter to pay Paul, can always depend on the support of Paul. Unite’s action stinks of political kickback.

    Labour Party needs to steer clear of that kind of divisive and partisan politics.

    • Colonial Viper 17.1

      From my perspective, I believe that workers should have a strong voice in how a business is run. On a larger scale, labour should also have a strong voice in how the economy is run.

      Currently, capital has by far the dominant voice in directing the economy. No surprise then that it has created an economy friendly to capital and unfriendly to labour.

    • Te Reo Putake 17.2

      It’s not Unite ‘laying down the law’. Discriminatory hiring practices are illegal in NZ full stop. And Unite is doing its best to lift Maccas workers income well above the minimum wage. That’s why they were at that store in the first place.

      http://www.unite.org.nz/

      • Rajiv 17.2.1

        I ask you, in all sincerity: Is it illegal to discriminate on grounds of merit and skill-level? Businesses will only hire people who do the job most efficiently, turn up every day and on time, work hard.

        What if one were to complain that it is discriminatory that All Blacks are made up of only THREE racial/Ethnic groups: Whites, Maori and Pacific Islanders??

        Would you say it’s discrimination that only these three groups get to represent New Zealand in All Blacks? No, you wouldn’t. So why should businesses not be free to hire whoever they think can do the job best.

        And I have seen plenty of manufacturing places where workers are mostly Pacific Islanders and Maori. But that’s probably because they can do it better than any others. I would NEVER say that it is discriminatory to hire only Maori and Pacific Islanders. It’s up to the business/ Employer to decide who can do the job best.

        • Te Reo Putake 17.2.1.1

          Rajiv, you seem confused. On one hand you laud selection on merit, then contradict yourself by accepting race based selection as legitimate. It’s not. We do not allow people to employ based on a racial bias. If you don’t like it, lobby to get our discrimination laws weakened.

          • Rajiv 17.2.1.1.1

            No Sir,

            I’m not confused, nor do I contradict myself.

            To remove any confusion I may have caused, let me repeat for the last time: I only support hiring on grounds of merit and skill. Furthermore, I believe that an employer or business must have sole discretion as to which workers best fit the job and will perform best. Period.

            • Te Reo Putake 17.2.1.1.1.1

              Care to elaborate? Do you find it acceptable for an employer to hire on a racial basis? I think you do, which would be a contradiction of your statement that selection should be merit based.

              • Rajiv

                Employers will hire only those they think will perform best. If there are workplaces places full of Pacific Islanders and Maori (these workplaces do exist, by the way), I personally don’t think it’s racial discrimination against other races. Maybe employers think those PI’s and Maori workers can do the job better than other available job-applicants. Moreover, sometimes it helps the business if workers have a strong sense of community which would lead to better team work and greater productivity.

                I don’t see the need to throw a hissy fit when I see workplaces dominated by Pacific Islander workers, for example. So, why should Unite throw a hissy fit when they see a small workplace where workers from an ethnic group predominate– they may be Indians, Chinese, Filipinos, or indeed Maori. It is not a Union’s job to decide who gets hired or fired.

                At last, if you still disagree with me. Then will you and Unite also go to all the workplaces where Pacific Islanders and Maori (for example) predominate the workforce and ask the employer to hire people from other races and ethnic backgrounds– more White people and Chinese people, for example? Would you support such a move? Just asking ;-)

                • Te Reo Putake

                  Just asking? Are you that thick or just putting it on? Either you support race based employment ot you don’t. Yes or no will be fine, ta.

                  • Rajiv

                    Now you’re either being childish or putting it on. Let’s cut to the chase.

                    NO, I do not support race based employment. But YOU certainly do.

                    I support ONLY merit and skill based hiring.

                    I hope it wasn’t too much reading for you.

                    Enjoy your Maccas,
                    McDonald’s Global Team.

                    http://mcdonalds.co.nz/

                    • Te Reo Putake

                      Google “maccas”, doofus.

                      So you’re a paragon of anti racist virtue who approves of race base bigotry in employment. Gotcha. What a douche.

        • Bill 17.2.1.2

          Businesses will only hire people who do the job most efficiently, turn up every day and on time, work hard.

          Erm, no. Not only You’re forgetting to include:

          Easily intimidated.
          Preferably non-union or anti-union (eg, many Chinese workers are very suspicious of unions given the nature of unions in China),
          Temporary as in, for example, a student who knows it’s not ‘forever’ and who will therefore put up with far more shit.
          Desperate and therefore possibly willing to work in more onerous conditions for less pay.

          And that list goes on to include such discriminatory practices as employing only married men or fathers of young children and on and on and on. Call it employers looking for ‘bang for buck’ or somesuch…

      • KJT 17.2.2

        Interesting that one of the most successful OECD countries, by almost all measures, including right wing ones, is 75 to 80% Unionised.

        And by the way has one of the highest proportions of Government involvement in the economy, by GDP.

        Finland.

        It must be depressing to be a right wing apologist and watch all the countries adopting right wing solutions, such as austerity, tax cuts for the rich, stiffing workers, and less Government involvement, going down the tubes.

        • Rajiv 17.2.2.1

          I’m not a right wing apologist but a Libertarian. The problem is not with Trade Unionism but the corrupt and manipulative practices of Trade Unions.

          Finland’s example is irrelevant to the topic of Unite’s promotion of race quotas. Finland is–mostly– a racially and ethnically homogenized society. New Zealand is racially and ethnically diverse. But for a Union to play race-politics is unbecoming. That was my only point.

          That said, I am all for workers’ rights. But Unions cannot ask or force businesses/ employers as to WHICH workers to hire and WHICH ones to fire. This is unheard of and absurd.

          • Te Reo Putake 17.2.2.1.1

            “I’m not a right wing apologist but a Libertarian. ”

            Yeah, not mutually exclusive concepts.

            “But Unions cannot ask or force businesses/ employers as to WHICH workers to hire and WHICH ones to fire. This is unheard of and absurd.”

            Good thing nobody’s suggesting that then. ‘cept you.

            • Rajiv 17.2.2.1.1.1

              Many Libertarian principles are opposed to Right wing and conservative ideologies, on civil liberties for example.

              Actually, I would say, on matters of civil liberties Libertarians may well be a lot closer to Left than many would like to admit.

          • richard 17.2.2.1.2

            I’m not a right wing apologist but a Libertarian.

            Here’s a question. If Libertarianism is so good, why has it never been adopted by a single country in the whole world?

            • Rajiv 17.2.2.1.2.1

              I’ll tell you why Richard.

              Because Libertarianism is too good and too honest for majority of corrupt, tribalistic and cowardly humanity to accept. lol.. (Okay that was half-a-joke).

              On a serious note, I think one manifestation of Libertarian principles is a liberal democracy. Here’s a definition from Wikipedia:

              “Liberal democracy is a form of government in which representative democracy operates under the principles of liberalism. It is characterized by fair, free, and competitive elections between multiple distinct political parties, a separation of powers into different branches of government, the rule of law in everyday life as part of an open society, and the equal protection of human rights, civil rights, civil liberties, and political freedoms for all persons.”

              I am pleased to inform you that at least in most Western countries we do have political systems largely based on liberal democratic principles, including New Zealand. And thank heavens for that!

          • KJT 17.2.2.1.3

            As I have said before, scratch a self styled libertarian and you find a nasty little authoritarian fascist trying to escape.

            Funny how Libertarians are always in favour of restricting workers rights, increasing police powers, State surveillance, removing welfare and unfettered capitalism/license to steal.

            Libertarianism works so well, In one of the few counties where it is practiced, Somalia.

      • Rajiv 17.2.3

        Maccas…. What a charming nickname you have for an American multinational fast food joint.

        Yes, please keep supporting Maccas, and Capitalism is safe in your hands, hearts and minds.

        Thank you so much,
        Maccas’ Global Management.

        • Te Reo Putake 17.2.3.1

          You really need to get out more.

        • framu 17.2.3.2

          i think youll find that “Maccas” is a highly common abbreviation both here and in australia used mostly by those who go there -

          just how high is your horse?

  18. Pascal's bookie 18

    I don’t think garner ‘made it up’. But what he didn’t do was verify what he was told.

    The C.Espiner piece, and other bits of mansplaining bullshit that is surfacing all over the place, (some of it not a million miles from this thread), act is if the point of the criticism of Garner is that Shearer is safe or that there isn’t trouble in caucus and the Garner’s critics are naive and that you’ll see, you’ll see, Shearer will be rolled and know-nothing critics just don’t understand destabilisation maaann.

    What a load of horseshit.

    Of course there are murmurings in caucus. Of course destabilisation campaigns happen over a period of time, and of course Shearer will eventually be rolled in one way or another.

    Espiner says that Garner only got the timing wrong. The timing was the story however. So Espiner is the naive fool here, (or a bullshit artist sticking up for his useless tool of a mate who failed, for whatever reason, to follow basic journalistic practice).

    Garner said that the coup was on on Tuesday night and that there was a letter circulating. He got that from one source who came to him. It wasn’t a scoop, it wasn’t something he found out, it was something one mp wanted him to say. And he said it without even bothering to check with Gower who his source told him also had the letter. Well played by the source on that one.

    My guess is that Garner didn’t clear it with Gower because he wanted to be first on the twitter with it, and the source guessing as much, chose Garner for that reason.

    So the ‘story’ Garner told was that there was a coup on. The only confirmed story he actually had is that one mp was running a destabilising campaign. He then acted in away that served only that campaign. He became captured by his source. His source now has him in the position that if Garner joins the destabilisation campaign, he can credibly (to idiots) claim that he was right. Now that is a type of journalism, but hahahaha. Player got played.

    So, what should of Garner done?

    The source told him Gower had the letter. That needed confirming. One phone call would have told garner that i) his source was lying to him, and ii) that therefore the coup wasn’t on that night. He could have then put the whole thing in his background knowledge box with confirmed knowledge of an mp who was destabilising and that they didn’t have the numbers yet.

    When you don’t have the numbers, the leader isn’t finished. That’s as obvious as bullets, but morons seem to think it’s not relevant. Folks can bleat all they like about Garner’s critics being naive, but they always have to account for the fact that Shearer still has the numbers. And until caucus can decide on a replacement, he will remain leader. That’s not guaranteed. It’s quite possible for a guy everyone in caucus hates and thinks sux to remain leader if they can’t agree on who should replace him. As long as Shearer remains the second best choice of everyone, and they can’t agree on a best choice, he stays.

    • Colonial Viper 18.1

      The one extra wrinkle is that caucus no longer has the full and final say on a replacement for Shearer.

      That will make doing the sums waaaaay more complicated.

      • Pascal's bookie 18.1.1

        But don’t they need a caucus vote to kick it off at this stage of proceedings?

        It complicates it in so far that it makes Shearer safer right now, as I understand it.

        ie, Caucus will have to unite behind someone they want, and be sure that the Party as a whole will not reject their candidate in favour of another.

        eg, If Robertson or Little have the numbers for the caucus vote , but fear that the Party would bring in Cunliffe, then Shearer stays.

    • Matthew Hooton 18.2

      The old rule used to be two sources not one. So you had to talk to, say, Creech and Brownlee to report, as news, that Shipley was doing the numbers against Bolger.

      • handle 18.2.1

        Garner said two sources on Radio Live.

        • Pascal's bookie 18.2.1.1

          The second source was hearsay. Someone outside caucus who reported hearing rumours, probably from source A.

        • Aotearoean 18.2.1.2

          The strange thing is that there is a coup going on. You just have to see the number of leaks to reporters that is going on to realise this. The behaviour is straight out of the Oxford History of the Popes. The difference between here and Australia is that Gillard was competent and will be remembered as such.

          • felix 18.2.1.2.1

            What’s strange about that?

            The point is, as Pb so carefully laid out, that of course shit is going down – but Garner’s big story was that it was going down on tuesday night and that his mate had the dox.

            He was totally and utterly wrong about all of that, and he’s a greedy little piggy.

  19. QoT 19

    The thing that actually pisses me off the most is that it takes no special expertise to see that there’s internal shit going down in Labour and has been since before Shearer became leader.

    So it takes no special expertise to surmise that at some point, maybe next week, maybe at Christmas, maybe after the 2014 election, whenever, Shearer could be rolled. Certainly, because time is linear, there will be a point when he is no longer leader.

    But what’s going to happen, whenever it happens, is that Garner and Gower and the Espiners of the world will jump up and down declaring victory.

    And it won’t matter how many times they’ve called it wrong, or how often they’ve made grandiose, inaccurate statements about “textbook coups”, or how generally shit their journalistic efforts have been. Because inevitably, one day Shearer won’t be leader of Labour, and inevitably, the stories will be spun so that they were right all along.

    • Arfamo 19.1

      Exactly. They are following the same line as old earth creationists who argue that the bible must be true because prophecies made in it that there would be wars, famine, plague, earthquakes and strange events were correct. Predicting inevitabilities is a sure sign of false prophets claiming special knowledge whose opinions are worthless.

    • Blue 19.2

      Yeah, you only have to look at Australia and how Julia Gillard’s leadership was undermined by sources within her own party constantly leaking to journalists that a coup was imminent, that Rudd had the numbers and she was all but gone. It used to happen every other month, and nothing ever came of it.

      When she was finally rolled they all trumpeted, as expected, as if that made up for them spending an entire year being played by sources with their own motives who were full of shit.

      The journos whined that they ‘couldn’t ignore’ coup rumours if they were around and ‘had a duty to the public’ to report them. The fact that they were reporting unsubstantiated rumours as fact and being used as tools to serve someone else’s purpose seemed to go right over their heads.

      If only the useless idiots had the sense to keep their powder dry until they can be sure it’s a real coup and whoever is running it has the numbers before they open their traps. Unfortunately they all want to be first with ‘the scoop’ and don’t bother checking.

      • Matthew Hooton 19.2.1

        I agree with your general sentiment but say McCully started telling journalists that there was a move against Key, would reporting that be passing on an unsubstantiated rumour? Or is McCully saying it itself evidence that something is happening?

        • One Anonymous Knucklehead 19.2.1.1

          *Helps kill truth for a living*

          *comments among people who know what he does for a living*

        • Tim 19.2.1.2

          Well the thing to do would be (Mathew), as Kerry-Anne suggests is to say (in the case you mention):
          “Murray McCully says there is a move on against John Key”.

          If Murray McCully is not prepared to put his money where his mouth is (i.e. it’s “off-the-record), THEN report it as AN UNSUBSTANTIATED RUMOUR instead of trying to report what he says as fact.

          Garner, Gower, Espiner, yourself would rather go for the “reliable sources tell me” line and forget all about the “unsubstantiated” bits. It’s nothing more than an exercise in ego building.

          All this “off-the-record”, “reliable sources tell me” shit is why journalism has descended into what it has.
          It’s one thing to use the “off-the-records” and “reliable sources tell me” tips to point you in a certain direction, quite another to report them as substantiated facts.

        • Aotearoean 19.2.1.3

          Matthew didn’t you back Shearer for leadership of the Labour Party. Be honest, was it because he would win and lead New Zealand to a socialist nirvana or was it because you thought that he would lose and give Key more chance to sell everything off?

    • Matthew Hooton 19.3

      Of course one day Shearer will not be leader but if he becomes prime minister all those who predicted his demise will have been wrong and will not be able to declare victory the way you suggest.

      • RedLogix 19.3.1

        Matt,

        Well yes. But what are the chances of that happening? My reading is that come 2014 the electorate will look at the the uninspiring, grey muddle that would be a Shearer-led govt … hold their collective noses … and either stay at home or vote for Key again.

      • QoT 19.3.2

        What utter tosh, Hooton, and given your profession, you know it.

        Here’s the narrative for a Shearer PMship right off the top of my head:

        “Shearer only became PM because of [failure of National]/[machinations of Winston Peters] despite the lack of support within his own party.”
        “Gaining the Beehive only made things worse as anti-Shearer MPs were able to use their ministerial powers to conspire even more against him.”
        “Shearer’s resignation today thus signals the climax of a slow-burning campaign which this reporter has been tracking closely since 2013, when efforts to get off the ground were stymied by a lack of will among the anti-Shearer factions to unite.”

        And if I can bullshit it, professional journalists who’ve staked their credibility on an anti-Shearer coup can bullshit it.

  20. Colonial Viper 20

    Absolutely none of this says that Labour is a fit and ready government in waiting.

    Significant elements of the Labour caucus showed pitiful judgement in selecting Shearer for Leader, and again for keeping him there. The caucus can’t even govern themselves, let alone the nation.

    Voters will give 2014 to National on that basis alone.

    edit – I see RL has made essentially the same point.

    • Saarbo 20.1

      Yes, Matt Mc Carten is equally as self serving as Garner. In November he was adamant that Cunliffe was arranging a coup and now regarding another Coup against Shearer “That was bit weak so they invented a story about a letter signed by MPs…”

      I think McCarten is anti Cunliffe, aware that Cunliffe will attract potential Left voters that would otherwise possibly vote Mana Party, who he advises. Shearer, a weak Labour Leader who is obsessed with the Centre instead of the Left…good for Mana.

      McCarten has sympathy for Shearer….mmm, I wonder why.

      In saying that, Garner is a cowboy Journo, no doubt about that…a professional would have had more sources and been more certain before spouting off.

      • Olwyn 20.1.1

        Around the time that Shearer became LP leader, Matt McCarten expressed the view that it was better if Labour aimed for the middle class, leaving the left to the smaller parties. Chris Trotter wrote a piece in disagreement with him, pointing out that a centrist or right-leaning Labour would rob the left of conceptual space, and that this would have a bad effect on Mana as well. That is to say, if the main traditional party of the left abandoned its post, the core political dialogue would change accordingly, turning serious left-wing concerns into mere side-issues. Which would not in the end be of much help to Mana.

        • Saarbo 20.1.1.1

          Yes thanks Olwyn, Chris Trotter’s theory makes absolute sense. Matt McCarten and all other media should make clear disclosures on their contributions to any political partys…clarifies things.

  21. Sable 21

    The people who own the media are corporations who of course have a vested interest in Keys success as a corporate “poodle”. Spreading lies and half truths furthers this end. History is written by the victors or journalistic hacks, take your pick.

  22. Santi 22

    David Shearer MUST remain leader. He’s the only way to victory next year.
    Stand firm, David.

    • bad12 22.1

      i wouldn’t go so far as to say Shearer was Labour’s only hope of ‘winning’ the 2014 election, putting aside what is the obvious acidity of you comment for the moment,

      i would think that in order of ‘marketability’ Labour could be governing after the next election with either Cunliffe, Robertson, or, Shearer as the Prime Minister,

      2014, in my opinion, will not deliver a Government that ‘has won’ the election, it will be the variables of MMP which will decide which, left or right forms the Government,

      The question is will NZFirst gain the 5% of the vote necessary, will any of the Maori Party MP’s survive and will Mana take the seat currently held by Te Ururoa Flavell, and to throw acid into the pool would Labour’s Trevor Mallard take the Speakers seat if that enabled National a one seat majority instead of a tied Parliament…

      • Matthew Hooton 22.1.1

        Mallard becoming Speaker would make no difference because speakers now get to vote. (Unless he gave his vote to the national rather than labour whips)

      • felix 22.1.2

        “2014, in my opinion, will not deliver a Government that ‘has won’ the election, it will be the variables of MMP which will decide which, left or right forms the Government”

        As it should be. The gladatorial win/lose paradigm of politics is well past its use-by date.

  23. bad12 23

    From where i sit the whole thing was just Duncan Garner talking Absolute Bullshit, Gower the Alfred E. Nuemann of political reporting had as much information about this current supposed coup as He had about the supposed coup at the Labour Party Conference, None, Nada, Zip,

    Neither Gower nor Garner saw this supposed ‘letter’ circulating among the Labour Party Caucus and who really believes that ‘coup plotters’ are so stupid to (a) circulate a letter, and (b), put their names to it, and the reason that neither journalist were shown this ‘letter’ is because it does not exist and never did,

    Gower well known for making it up as He goes along seems to have passed this particular predilection onto His mate Garner who i must assume gets His thrills from watching the comments on the various blogs light up from such rumor-mongering,

    There is a difference between wishing Dave Shearer to be gone as Labour Leader and the Parliamentary wing of Labour actually mounting a coup and the commenter above who claims ‘inside knowledge’ whilst claiming that the coup attempt is on the go as we type is using exactly the same source in my opinion as what Duncan Garner used to suggest that ‘a letter’ was circulating….

  24. Treetop 24

    Labour’s biggest enemy is the person who fails to vote, (National voters tend to be more organised, look further down the line and want to retain all the benefits they have). Labour needs to get those who would vote Labour to understand that the party is reliant on them voting and to have a clear mandate for the first term.

    A minister for children.
    No asset sales.
    Review into the GCSB.
    10,000 low income homes built annually.
    A single power provider.
    Capital gains tax.
    Overhaul of the EQC.
    Fast track rail in Auckland.
    Tightening of biosecurity.
    Manslaughter charge when a company causes a death due to unsafe working conditions.

    Are there polls which ask why a person did not vote and had they voted who would they vote for?

    • Colonial Viper 24.1

      You forgot about approving the TPPA (which Labour will do) and raising the Super age. A real vote winner that one. No asset sales and CGT are old policies and ones that Labour lost on.

      A single power provider is an excellent initiative but Labour has already promised it will not intervene in any more free markets.

      And no one believes that a $400K to $500K house is a “low income home”.

      Are there polls which ask why a person did not vote and had they voted who would they vote for?

      Labour seems determined in their conviction that the ‘middle class swing voter’ is who they need to target.

      Further, just like in 2011, policy is not going to be the major factor in winning.

      • Treetop 24.1.1

        You have just answered my question why a person on a low income would not vote for Labour.

        They are not a middle class swing voter.
        They do not have $400K – $500K for a first home.

        Labour need to work out whose vote they can count on and start selling them a mandate to get their vote. The Greens do this very well.

    • Chooky 24.2

      The Labour non voters…..To get them to the polls …they need someone who has been brought up without much money…like David Cunliffe…they need someone who can articulate for them….David Cunliffe ( no one else in Labour is capable) someone who can inspire them….someone who is young and dynamic….Cunliffe…..I feel I am stating and restating and shouting the obvious….but then again I dont vote Labour any more !

      …but I know people ( family members) who do and I know people who didnt vote for them last time who normally would ….I also know young people who would NOT vote for the present leadership.

      The first $10, 000 income earned should be tax free for everyone, to undo the regressive nature of GST..(In particular this would help the young and the lowly paid)

      Treetop, Labour needs the polls you suggest !…and the advice of a good advertising agency.

    • Lefty 24.3

      Beneficiaries are being attacked big time by National and Labour is not promising to reverse the evil shit Paula Bennett is doing.

      Nor did they do so last time they were in government.

      Yet working class people tend to go on and off benefits at various times in their lives and have family and friends on benefits.

      The bottom earning 20% of New Zealanders have been hated and despised by Labour just as much as they have by National for the last few decades.

      It is probably this more than anything else that has caught up with Labour and will continue to hurt them.

      Basically Labour has destroyed the very idea of voting changing anything for the better by their prolonged and serial betrayal of large sections of the working class. So the participation rate in voting by traditional Labour voters has plummeted.

      The Labour Party does have a role in the future; as a small rump party providing a political voice for middle class technocrats who don’t have much important to say or contribute but, like every other group in a democratic society, deserves a voice simply because they exist.

      Providing a voice and policies for the working class will require a new political vehicle that I don’t think has been born yet.

      • Chooky 24.3.1

        I am told as a bottom line….a minimum basic living allowance ( Gareth Morgan apparently has been going on about this for years) would help …..this even before one gets a working wage, if one is lucky enough to have a job….This would mean there is no one financially desperate and the money wheels would keep going around enabling the market place to continue.

        I am no economist ( they have F….d up anyway) , but sounds sensible.

  25. Neoleftie 25

    Interestingly my local labour LEC have emailed, on Friday at late notice, to announce a combined branch meeting to discuss the selection remit…strange that shearer has kicked it out but the members and local organisation, in true democratic fashion, are still wanting to discuss it.

  26. gobsmacked 26

    Of course Shearer is being undermined by Garner & Gower and the rest. And guess what? The next Labour leader will also be undermined by the usual suspects. So was the last one, and the one before that, and so on. It’s what the self-interested media do. Always have.

    The difference is, the current leader doesn’t need the media to do it. He’s even better at undermining Labour than they are.

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  • First home buyers $200 a week better off with Labour
    A couple earning around $75,000 a year would be $200 a week better off buying a two bedroom terraced Labour KiwiBuild home instead of an equivalent new build under National’s housing policy, says Labour Leader David Cunliffe.  “National’s policy to...
    Labour | 26-08
  • Another Day – Another big power profit
    The latest profit announcement from Genesis Energy shows that the power company was sold for a song to the detriment of the country’s power consumers, says Labour’s Energy spokesperson David Shearer. “A net profit of $ 49.2 million follows hard...
    Labour | 26-08
  • Labour embraces the rainbow
    Labour will work hard to ensure all New Zealanders enjoy the freedom to grow up and live their lives in dignity and security. Labour’s Rainbow policy, released tonight in Wellington, focuses on International Relations, Human Rights and Education....
    Labour | 26-08
  • National gets fast and loose with the facts
    In their desperation to make it look as though they are doing something about the housing crisis, National is playing fast and loose with the facts, says Labour’s housing spokesperson Phil Twyford....
    Labour | 26-08
  • Labour will drop power prices for Kiwi families
    New Zealanders will get cheaper power prices under NZ Power, says Labour Leader David Cunliffe. “The electricity market is clearly broken. With falling demand for electricity, prices should be going down. Instead prices are going up and companies are extracting...
    Labour | 26-08
  • Labour: Promoting sustainable tourism
    Ensuring New Zealand’s clean, green status continues to be an international tourism benchmark and reviewing MBIE’s oversight of the tourism sector will be on the radar under a Labour Government. Releasing Labour’s Tourism policy today, spokesperson Darien Fenton said tourism...
    Labour | 26-08
  • Skills shortage a result of National’s complacency
    The fact that there is still a severe shortage of skilled tradespeople, despite a growth in the number of apprentices, is a result of National’s failure to plan and develop the workforce, Grant Robertson, Labour Employment, Skills and TrainingSpokesperson says."The...
    Labour | 26-08
  • How much tax does John Key pay compared to a minimum wage worker?? – Mint...
    MANA Movement Economic Justice spokesperson John Minto is calling for a radical overhaul of New Zealand’s taxation system with calculations showing that a minimum wage worker pays a ten times higher tax rate than the Prime Minister. o Minimum wage...
    Mana | 25-08
  • Labour’s culture of science and innovation
    Labour will create a culture of science and innovation in New Zealand that will be the envy of the world, says Labour’s Innovation, Research and Development spokesperson Megan Woods. “Labour believes that good science lies at the heart of a...
    Labour | 25-08
  • Improving life for our new New Zealanders
    New Zealand’s international standing as a community that encourages and fosters all cultures will be bolstered under a Labour Government with an upgrade of the present Office of Ethnic Affairs to a Ministry. Releasing Labour’s Ethnic Affairs policy, spokesperson Phil...
    Labour | 25-08
  • South Auckland housing crisis
    National’s HomeStart package is nothing more than a political stunt designed to beguile South Auckland voters, said Labour’s Pacific Affairs spokesperson Su’a William Sio. “Few working Pasifika and Maori workers in South Auckland will be able to buy their own...
    Labour | 25-08
  • Home buyer subsidy discredited in Oz
    Treasury advised against National’s policy of ramping up home buyer subsidies after it was discredited in Australia because it pushed house prices even higher, Labour’s Housing spokesperson Phil Twyford says. “Documents released under the OIA (attached) show Treasury advised the...
    Labour | 25-08
  • Nursing hours explain turnover and high-stress culture
    A staff survey supports concerns nursing staff at Dunedin Hospital are under increasing pressure and that the emergency department is in a critical state, says Labour’s Associate Health Spokesperson David Clark.  “An ED nursing survey at Dunedin found that 80...
    Labour | 24-08
  • Underhand tactics prove case for axing donations
    Revelations that schools are using underhand tactics to coerce donations from cash-strapped parents further highlights the need for Labour's plan to increase funding so they aren't dependent on contributions from parents, Labour's Education spokesperson Chris Hipkins says. “By law New...
    Labour | 24-08
  • National applies band-aid to housing crisis
    The Government’s flagship housing announcement is a band-aid approach that will push up prices rather than solve the housing crisis, says Labour Leader David Cunliffe. “House sales to first home buyers have collapsed as a direct result of the Government’s...
    Labour | 24-08
  • Climate change focus on the now for the future
    A Labour Governmentwill put in place a comprehensive climate change strategy focusing on bothmitigation and adaptation, establish an independent Climate Commission andimplement carbon budgeting, says Labour Climate Change spokesperson MoanaMackey."This is about future-proofing our economy. Making the transition to alow-carbon...
    Labour | 24-08
  • Labour’s 21st century transport pledge
    The next Labour-led Government will create a 21st century transport system for New Zealand that promotes the most efficient and sustainable combination of transport options, says Labour’s Transport spokesperson Phil Twyford. “Labour will rebalance the Government's transport spending away from...
    Labour | 23-08
  • Housing under National: the facts
    1.       House prices in Auckland Council valuations indicate Auckland house prices have gone up by one-third over the last three years. (Auckland Council) The average Auckland house price has gone up by nearly $225,000 since 2008, up over $75,000 in...
    Labour | 23-08
  • Labour irons out low income tax issue
    The increasing casualisation of work has led to many New Zealand families being disadvantaged through the tax they pay, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. "Many low paid workers are having to work two or three jobs to make ends meet...
    Labour | 22-08
  • Cornered Government comes out swinging
    The National Government is so desperate to keep its dead-in-the-water expert teachers policy alive, it has refused to rule out forcing schools to participate through legislation, Labour’s Education spokesperson Chris Hipkins says. “John Key today attacked the Educational Institute for...
    Labour | 22-08
  • Pacific people continue to go backwards under National
    A report from Victoria University highlights the fact that Pacific people are continuing to go backwards under a National Government, said Labour’s Pacific Affairs spokesperson Su’a William Sio.  “The report shows the largest inequality increases were in smoking, obesity, tertiary...
    Labour | 22-08
  • Wellington transport plan needs to keep moving
    The failure of the Transport Agency to properly look at alternatives to the Basin Reserve flyover is not a good reason for further delays to improving transport in Wellington, Labour MPs Grant Robertson and Annette King say. “The Board of...
    Labour | 22-08
  • Labour’s focus on inequality, kids and better job prospects
    Tackling child poverty and removing barriers to people working part time to enhance their prospects of moving into a fulltime job are highlights of Labour’s Social Development policy. Releasing the policy today, spokesperson Sue Moroney said while part-time work was...
    Labour | 21-08
  • Political staff should give answers under oath
    The Inspector General of Security and Intelligence should use her full statutory powers to question witnesses under oath about the leak of SIS information, says Labour MP Phil Goff. “Leakage of confidential information from the SIS for political purposes is...
    Labour | 21-08
  • High dollar, hands-off Govt sends workers to dole queue
    The loss of up to 100 jobs at Croxley stationery in Auckland is devastating news for their families and the local Avondale community, Labour’s Employment, Skills and Training spokesperson Grant Robertson says. “The company’s inability to compete in international markets...
    Labour | 21-08
  • National’s flagship education policy dead in the water
    National’s plan to create executive principals and expert teachers is effectively dead in the water with news that 93 percent of primary teachers have no confidence in the scheme, Labour’s Education spokesperson Chris Hipkins says. “The fact that teachers are...
    Labour | 21-08
  • Dunedin will be a knowledge and innovation centre under Labour
    Dunedin will become a knowledge and innovation centre under a Labour Government that will back local businesses, support technology initiatives and fund dynamic regional projects, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. “Nowhere has the National Government’s short-sightedness been more apparently than...
    Labour | 21-08
  • Inquiry into SIS disclosures the right decision
    Labour MP Phil Goff says the Inspector-General of Intelligence and Security has done the right thing by launching an inquiry into the disclosure of SIS documents about a meeting between himself and the agency’s former director-general. “This inquiry is necessary...
    Labour | 20-08
  • Labour – supporting and valuing carers and the cared for
    Placing real value on our elderly and the people who care for them will be a priority for a Labour Government, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. Releasing Labour’s Senior Citizens policy today David Cunliffe promised that a Labour Government would...
    Labour | 20-08
  • By Hoki! It’s Labour’s fisheries policy
    A Labour Government will protect the iconic Kiwi tradition of fishing by improving access to the coast, protecting the rights of recreational fishers and reviewing snapper restrictions, Labour’s Fisheries spokesperson Damien O’Connor says. “Catching a fish from the rocks, beach...
    Labour | 20-08
  • Mighty River – Mighty Profits – Mighty hard to swallow
    Mighty River Power’s profit increase of 84 per cent is simply outrageous, says Labour’s Energy spokesperson David Shearer. “Demand for electricity is flat or declining yet the company has made enormous profits. It is the latest power company to celebrate...
    Labour | 19-08
  • Collins’ actions were wrong, not unwise
    John Key’s moral compass remains off-kilter as he cannot bring himself to declare Judith Collins’ actions outright wrong, not simply ‘unwise’, said Labour MP Grant Robertson. “Under pressure John Key is finally shifting his stance but his failure to condemn...
    Labour | 19-08
  • Public servants behaving with more integrity than their masters
    The State Services Commission's new report on the integrity of our state services reflects the yawning gap between the behaviour of public servants and that of their political masters, Labour's State Services spokesperson Maryan Street says. “This report, which surveyed...
    Labour | 19-08
  • Phil Twyford Speech to NZCID
    "Labour's plan to build more and build better: how new approaches to housing, transport and urban development will deliver cities that work" Phil Twyford, Labour Party spokesperson on housing, transport, Auckland issues, and cities.  ...
    Labour | 19-08
  • Labour commits to independent Foreign Affairs and Trade
    “Labour is committed to New Zealand’s Foreign Affairs and Trade policy being independent and proactive, Labour’s Foreign Affairs spokesperson David Shearer says. “We are a small but respected country. Our voice and actions count in international affairs. Labour will take a...
    Labour | 19-08
  • Key must sack Collins over abhorrent actions
    The latest revelations that Judith Collins sent the contact details of a public servant to WhaleOil in a desperate attempt to divert media attention from a bad story is abhorrent, Labour MP Grant Robertson says. “John Key and Judith Collins...
    Labour | 19-08
  • It’s downhill from here under National
    The forecast drop in exports and predicted halving of growth shows that it’s downhill from here with National, Labour’s Finance spokesperson David Parker says. “Growth under this Government peaked in June and halves to two per cent in coming years....
    Labour | 19-08
  • John Key loses moral compass over Collins
    John Key has lost his moral compass over Judith Collins’ involvement with Cameron Slater and lost touch with New Zealanders’ sense of right and wrong, Labour MP Grant Robertson says. “Whoever is Prime Minister there are expectations they will not...
    Labour | 18-08
  • Mana Movement General Election 2014 List confirmed
    The MANA List is now confirmed with all the candidates as below (the numbers are the respective Internet MANA rankings). Candidate, Electorate, Internet MANA List Position Hone Harawira, Te Tai Tokerau (1) Annette Sykes, Waiariki (3) John Minto, Mt Roskill (4) Te Hamua Nikora, Ikaroa-Rawhiti...
    Mana | 18-08
  • PREFU likely to confirm dropping exports
    National’s economic management will be put under the spotlight in tomorrow’s PREFU given clear signs the so-called rock star economy has fallen off the stage, with plummeting prices for raw commodity exports, Labour’s Finance spokesperson David Parker says. “Under National,...
    Labour | 18-08
  • Record profits while Kiwis face a cold winter
    The record profits by two of New Zealand’s largest electricity companies will be a bitter pill for New Zealand households who are paying record amounts for their power, says Labour’s Energy spokesperson David Shearer. “No doubt the Key government will...
    Labour | 18-08
  • Time for John Key to answer yes or no questions
    John Key’s train-wreck interview on Morning Report shows he is no longer capable of a simple yes or no answer and has lost touch with what’s right and wrong, Labour MP Grant Robertson says. “John Key has become so media...
    Labour | 18-08
  • Review: Hairspray
      Oh Hairspray! What fun! Somehow I managed to miss the movie when it came out, I had no idea really what it was about though I felt it had a vague relation to High School Musical. In retrospect, that...
    The Daily Blog | 30-08
  • Mounting global pressure against Timor-Leste’s ‘death sentence’ media...
    East Timor’s José Belo … courageous fight against ‘unconstitutional’ media law.Image: © Ted McDonnell 2014 CAFÉ PACIFIC and the Pacific Media Centre Online posted challenges to the controversial ‘press law’ nine months ago when it emerged how dangerous this draft...
    The Daily Blog | 30-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Curwen Rolinson – Spies, Lies and When Campaigns Are Fried
    Like most of the rest of the nation’s political classes, I was eagerly affixed to TV One from 12:30 on Saturday afternoon to witness the downfall of Judith Collins.Whenever we witness the crumbling of a titan of the political landscape...
    The Daily Blog | 30-08
  • BREAKING: Whaleoil crushes Crusher
    Judith ends up shooting herself A new email has been released suggesting that Collins was attempting to undermine the head of Serious Fraud Office with the help of far right hate speech merchant Cameron Slater. Unbelievable!   She has been forced...
    The Daily Blog | 30-08
  • BREAKING: Rumours Judith Collins gone at lunchtime
    Brook Sabin first of the mark with rumours Judith Collins is about to resign – PM announcing a statement at 12.30pm… …Paddy follows… …Vance confirms..   …if Collins is gone by lunchtime, it will be because the PM understands the...
    The Daily Blog | 29-08
  • BREAKING: UPDATE on DIRT ALERT!
    Thanks to the information passed to Chris Trotter by “Idiot/Savant” from No Right Turn it is now possible to identify at least some of the persons involved in this latest example of attack politics. What follows is Chris’s response to Idiot/Savant’s timely assistance: Well done...
    The Daily Blog | 29-08
  • Comparing burning puppets, hip hop lyrics and drunk student chants to black...
    Watching the mainstream media try and obscure Cunliffe’s surprise win in the leaders debate  is a reminder the Press Gallery is in depressed shock. The current spin line from the Wellington bubble media in the wake of Dirty Politics is that...
    The Daily Blog | 29-08
  • Why has it all gone quiet on Charter Schools?
    They’re one of ACT’s flagship policies and the National Party have been gung ho in supporting them. So how come we’re not hearing Hekia Parata, Jamie Whyte, Catherine Isaac, et al singing from the rafters about what a resounding success charter...
    The Daily Blog | 29-08
  • Moment of Truth – September 15th – Auckland Town Hall
    Moment of Truth – September 15th – Auckland Town Hall...
    The Daily Blog | 29-08
  • EXCLUSIVE: Dirt Alert! Are the Greens and Labour about to become the target...
    WE’VE SEEN IT ALL BEFORE. In 2005 pamphlets began appearing all over New Zealand attacking Labour and the Greens. For a couple of days both the parties targeted and the news media were flummoxed. Who was behind such an obviously...
    The Daily Blog | 29-08
  • The Donghua Liu Affair: the Press Council’s decision
    . . 1. Prologue . The Donghua Liu Affair hit  the headlines on 18 June, with allegations that David Cunliffe wrote a letter in 2003,  on  behalf of  business migrant, Donghua Liu. Four days later, on Sunday 22 June, the...
    The Daily Blog | 29-08
  • The difference between Cunliffe & Key in the debate
    It was with much interest that I watched the leaders debate on Thursday night.  I watched with an open mind, always happy to have my opinion changed.  Maybe John Key is all the wonderful things that many say about him,...
    The Daily Blog | 29-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Denis Tegg – When Did We Agree To Our Data Being Shared with ...
    New shocking evidence has emerged from Edward Snowden’s trove of documents about a program called ICREACH under which data collected by the GCSB is shared with 23 US spy agencies. Under new sharing agreements which appear to have commenced immediately after...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • Why Internet MANA are the best political friends the Greens could ever get
    Metiria at last nights #GreenRoomNZ: standing on the shoulders and camera cases of giants  NZers, regardless of political spectrum or apathy level, have a wonderful beach cricket egalitarianism about us. If we can objectively conclude a winner, then that person...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • Sick of the Sleaze? Protest against National’s dirty politics THIS SATURD...
    Sick of the Sleaze? Protest now dammit! Three weeks before the election, action is being taken across the country voicing a rejection of the National Government’s track record and direction. Rallies are being held in Auckland, Wellington, Christchurch and Dunedin...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Sir Edmund Thomas – Address at Nicky Hager public meeting
    I regard it as privilege to chair this public meeting. I have long had the greatest admiration for Nicky Hager’s work, and nothing I have read or heard in the media over the past week or so has caused me...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • Labour and New Zealand Superannuation
    The kerfuffle in the wake of Nicky Hager’s Dirty Politics has had a detrimental impact on our discussion of economic policies. Signs are that the main beneficiaries of the dirty politics revelations will be Winston Peters and Colin Craig; certainly National suffered...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • Coalition for Better Broadcasting – Mike Hosking and the Leader’s Debat...
    A few weeks ago I blogged that Mike Hosking was a terrible choice as moderator for the TV One Party Leader’s Debate, because he is so embarrassingly biased in favour of John Key. So I watched the show with curiosity,...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • Democracy and Cancer: A critical analysis of Dirty Politics
    Twenty years ago, England’s renowned television playwright Denis Potter died of pancreatic cancer.  Readers may recall his two masterpieces ‘Pennies from Heaven’ and ‘The Singing Detective’.  During a final television interview with Melvyn Bragg, Potter declared that he had named...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • Cunliffe beats Key in First Leaders debate
    I watched the First Leaders debate at the Green Party #GreenRoomNZ, they were very kind to include me and the atmosphere was great. The debate was a resounding victory to Cunliffe. He won Round 1, Round 2, Round 3 and...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • LIVE STREAM: The Green Room Leader’s Debate from 6:30pm
    The Green Room will be hosted by media commentator Russel Brown, and will feature Green Co-leaders Metiria Turei and Russel Norman responding to the debate live, along with comment from thought leaders and commentators. ‘The Green Room’ 6pm – 8.30pm...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • How many taxpayer funded staff does John Key need to prepare for a Leaders ...
    John Key is currently at the Auckland Stamford Plaza with 40 staff, 4 undercover police cars and an entire floor booked out in preparation for tonights Leader’s debate. Isn’t 40 staff including coms, flown up to Auckland for a debate...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • A brief word on National Party Rodney MP, Mark Mitchell
    MP considers legal action against Nicky HagerThe National MP says he is considering taking a defamation case after the September 20 election.“Someone needs to be held accountable,” he said. Oh really champ? Brothers and sisters, there is a long way...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • Greens advertise on Whaleoil – but not on The Daily Blog?
    PaknSave have shown ethical compass and blocked adverts on Whaleoil, yet the Greens are advertising on Whaleoil, and not The Daily Blog? I would imagine there are far more potential Green voters on The Daily Blog then ever are on...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • It’s about the stupid economy stupid
    In focus group meetings, the sleepy hobbits of NZ by a staggering amount all believe that National are better economic stewards of the country than Labour, that’s why, instead of answering questions about blackmailing MPs, trawling brothels for dirt on...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • Labour Policy vs National Policy
    John Key’s favourite defence spin at the moment is people want to talk about policy and not hear answers on the ethics of trawling brothels, why Slater was given SIS information, blackmailing MPs into standing down, rigging candidate elections and hacking...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • The Green Room live streamed on TDB 6.30pm tonight for First Leaders debate
    The ‘Green Room’ will stream 6.pm tonight on The Daily Blog during the TV One leaders’ debate.Use #GreenRoomNZ to join in. The Green Room will be hosted by media commentator Russel Brown, and will feature Green Co-leaders Metiria Turei and Russel Norman responding...
    The Daily Blog | 27-08
  • Manukau East – the next Coalition in action
    A couple of weeks ago I had the pleasure of opening Voice Up – a youth forum run by young people in Otara. I had been asked as Chair of the Local Board to set the scene, encouraging young people...
    The Daily Blog | 27-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Kelly Ellis – The Big Bang Theory
    It’s a shame that it took a brain injury for me to start seeing things with such startling clarity. The realisation that lawyering, fishing, parenting, selling cars and racing yachts had common themes was stunning. Not perhaps as stunning as...
    The Daily Blog | 27-08
  • Jeremy Wells’ Mike Hosking rant on Radio Hauraki: Today, how much Key aro...
    Jeremy Wells’ Mike Hosking on Radio Hauraki...
    The Daily Blog | 27-08
  • 5AA Australia – New Zealand’s Dirty Politics Aftermath and Polls
    MIL OSI – Source: Selwyn Manning – Analysis Headline: 5AA Australia – New Zealand’s Dirty Politics Aftermath and Polls 5AA Australia: On this week’s Across the Ditch bulletin on 5AA Australia, host Peter Godfery and Selwyn Manning discuss the aftermath...
    The Daily Blog | 27-08
  • La’o Hamutuk calls for inquiry into Timor GAP ‘mismanagement’ of oil ...
    The Suai project on the South Coast … “liberated” land but confused communities.Photo: La’o Hamutuk David Robie also blogs at Café Pacific. AN INDEPENDENT Timor-Leste development and social justice agency has called for an inquiry into the Timor GAP corporation...
    The Daily Blog | 27-08
  • What Is Nicky Hager?
    WHAT WILL HISTORY MAKE of Nicky Hager? That slight, perpetually boyish, journalist who descends periodically, like the admonishing angel in a medieval mystery play, to trouble our consciences and wreak merry havoc with the orderly conduct of our political affairs....
    The Daily Blog | 27-08
  • Can anyone in msm explain how after Dirty Politics that they all got played...
    Would you not think, that after reading Dirty Politics, that our mainstream media wouldn’t allow themselves to get tricked and played again by the VERY SAME discredited pundits? The best new feature on Radio NZ is their ‘Blog Watch’ and their...
    The Daily Blog | 27-08
  • Crusher Collins caught out lying about Privacy Commissioner – is this her...
    Crusher angry. Crusher smash own career. Crusher more angry. You would think that after getting outed as such a nasty, vicious piece of work in Dirty Politics, that Crusher would be scrambling to dial back the lies and manipulations. Apparently...
    The Daily Blog | 27-08
  • Cunliffe vs Key – first leaders debate
    This is your election ‘moderator’ – just one more reason an incoming Government need to sack everyone at TVNZ and reform it into an actual public broadcaster. The first leaders debate happens this Thursday, 7pm on TV One. I have...
    The Daily Blog | 26-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Kate Davis – An Old and Honourable Profession
      When Dirty Politics started to reference an ex-prostitute I began to get antsy. My first response was “come on Nicky, we decriminalised in 2003. Its sex worker.” My second response was “Ah oh. Who was it and did they...
    The Daily Blog | 26-08
  • Bought and paid for: the dirty politics of climate denial
    Has climate denial in New Zealand been bought and paid for by corporate interests? We already know that the ACT Party’s routine denial is closely linked to the financial support the party receives from wealthy free market fundamentalist Alan Gibbs,...
    The Daily Blog | 26-08
  • If the msm read The Daily Blog, THIS wouldn’t be a surprise – explainin...
    Yawn. How embarrassing for Hamish Rutherford and Andrea Vance, their breathless article today suggests that the idea of Labour and NZ First cutting a  deal over the buy back of assets  is some how new news. Silly mainstream media  journalists. If...
    The Daily Blog | 26-08
  • How much tax does John Key pay compared to a minimum wage worker??
    Yesterday I did some calculations to find out what tax John Key pays compared to a worker on the minimum wage. And I put out this media release for the Mana Movement: MANA Movement Economic Justice spokesperson John Minto is...
    The Daily Blog | 26-08
  • Hip hop death threats – the selective outrage of our media
    PM death threat in hip hop songAn Auckland hip-hop crew slammed for releasing a song with lyrics that apparently include a threat to kill Prime Minister John Key are urging young people to enrol to vote. Kill The PM, by...
    The Daily Blog | 26-08
  • Watch Slater turn into Key right before your eyes
    Watch Slater turn into Key right before your eyes...
    The Daily Blog | 26-08
  • I don’t always agree with Patrick Gower – but he didn’t deserve this!
    I don’t always agree with Patrick Gower – but he didn’t deserve this weird spear tackle from behind by his own company. I was listening to this interview at the time, and the awkwardness of it must be the worst...
    The Daily Blog | 26-08
  • Is it weird Radio NZ ban me yet still have….
    Is it weird Radio NZ ban me for life because I criticised the Prime Minister yet still have Matthew Hooton, David Farrar and Jordan Williams, 3 of the main protagonists revealed in Dirty Politics as part of their ongoing political...
    The Daily Blog | 25-08
  • Christchurch GCSB meeting – why mass surveillance matters in 2014
    This is the video for last weeks GCSB meeting in Christchurch. Don’t forget Nicky Hager’s public meeting Wednesday night in Auckland, TDB will live stream the event in the interests of our democracy. Broadcast starts 7.30pm here on TDB....
    The Daily Blog | 25-08
  • Assange, Greenwald to appear at Town Hall meeting? + KDC is not the hacker ...
    Wikileaks founder and the engineer of revealing some of the largest abuses of power in the modern era, Julian Assange, is rumoured to be appearing at the September 15th Town Hall meeting. Assange would join award winning investigative journalist Glen...
    The Daily Blog | 25-08
  • Why Paula Bennett will be the next leader and Hooton throws the Prime Minis...
    I don’t think the public have any idea of the behind the scenes meltdown now occurring within National. There are plenty of decent right wingers who all have ethical standards who have looked at what their leaders have been doing and...
    The Daily Blog | 25-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Curwen Rolinson – That Awkward Feeling When Your Campaign Goe...
    Urgh. It’s a thankless and nearly impossible task politically firefighting some days. Somebody (who isn’t you, but who’s in your care, or whom you’ve got a close professional relationship with) does or says something stupid; somebody from the Media’s there...
    The Daily Blog | 25-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Joe Trinder – Dirty politics goes viral
    Join the latest social networking craze this election that every Dog Cat and Jabba is putting on their facebook pages.     Joe Trinder – Ngāti Awa Born and born in Ōtepoti Ōtākou, Ex RNZN he is an Information Technology...
    The Daily Blog | 25-08
  • Blogwatch: An open letter to David Farrar: Please, be that guy
    Dear David, In light of  Nicky Hager’s book Dirty Politics, you wrote a blog entitled ‘Some changes on Kiwiblog’ and you suggested it was time to tighten up ship on your website, saying “I want to improve trust in myself,...
    The Daily Blog | 25-08
  • New Zealand’s biggest problems are Economic Issues
    New Zealand’s biggest problems are Economic Issues (41%) while the World’s most important problems are War & Terrorism (35%) just three weeks before NZ Election...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • NZ 2014 Leaders Index – week ending 29 August
    Below is iSentia’s first weekly Leaders’ Index, showing the relative amount of coverage of nine Party Leaders in the lead up to the National Election across news media and social media. We will produce these reports for the next three...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Judgment in Paki v Attorney General
    Tamaiti Cairns said that today’s Supreme Court decision is complicated, but, in essence opens the door for Maori people to go forward with their essential claims to water. Further work is required and Pouakani Trust will continue to pursue its...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Supreme Court Decision on Maori Water Rights
    “ … the Supreme Court refused to give Pouakani people what they asked for, but may have given them something much, much better instead. The Appellants had argued that the Crown’s ownership of the River was as a fiduciary for...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Leaders Dinner with Campbell Live, Dessert with RadioLIVE
    John Campbell is hosting Colin Craig, Winston Peters, Laila Harre, Metiria Turei, Peter Dunne, Jamie Whyte and Te Ururoa Flavell LIVE from Auckland’s Grand Harbour Restaurant on Wednesday 3 September at 7pm....
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Credit unions in the political spotlight
    Dirty politics was put aside last night as senior politicians outlined their universal support for growing the cooperatively owned credit union and mutual building society sector in New Zealand....
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Maryan Street on issues of importance to older people
    Liam Butler interviews Hon Maryan Street MP on issues of importance to older New Zealanders...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • John Hanita Paki and others v The Attorney-General
    JOHN HANITA PAKI, TORIWAI ROTARANGI, TAUHOPA TE WANO HEPI, MATIU MAMAE PITIROI AND GEORGE MONGAMONGA RAWHITI v THE ATTORNEY-GENERAL OF NEW ZEALAND FOR AND ON BEHALF OF THE CROWN (“THE CROWN”) (SC 7/2010)...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Last Nights Leaders Debate Drives The #nzpol Wordcloud
    Following last nights leaders debate on TV One between John Key and David Cunliffe, the data insight organisation Qrious collected all tweets that used the hashtag #nzpol from approximately the last 24 hours to produce this wordcloud....
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Campaign suggests reason behind suicide gender statistics
    An online campaign about meaning and belonging has revealed an interesting connection with the difference in suicide rates between men and women....
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Act Policy Vindicated by Sensible Sentencing Data
    ACT Leader Dr Jamie Whyte says the Sensible Sentencing Trust's just released analysis of 3 Strikes legislation "proves ACT was right to promote the policy and that it has made New Zealand a much safer country. The figures show beyond...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • “Robin Hood tax and other clever ways to help our kids”
    It’s time to talk about tax. Not just income tax but other kinds of tax too....
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Cannabis Laws Breach Treaty – ALCP
    Cannabis prohibition is neo-colonial oppression resulting in the disproportionate imprisonment of Maori, the Aotearoa Legalise Cannabis Party says....
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • 2014 Variation Broadcasting Allocation Decision Released
    The Electoral Commission has released a variation decision on the amount of time and money allocated to political parties for the broadcasting of election programmes for the 2014 General Election....
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • New Zealand Shoppers- Demand Blue Tick Accredited Products
    Following ongoing concerns surrounding the issue of animal welfare in farming, particularly in the layer and broiler chicken sectors, the RNZSPCA is now asking consumers to purchase only eggs, pork, turkey and chicken that have been Accredited by the Blue...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • EDS welcomes Labour’s Environment Policy
    The Environmental Defence Society has welcomed Labour’s Environment Policy which recognises that New Zealand cannot have a healthy economy without a healthy environment....
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Candidate calls for an end to institutional racism
    29 AUGUST 2014 Tāmaki Makaurau candidate, Rangi McLean has spoken up in support of Irie Te Wehi-Takerei who was wrongfully accused of shoplifting at a Warehouse store in Manukau. "Over the last month, two different supermarkets have been...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Making tertiary education more accessible to Māori
    29 August 2014 The Māori Party launched its tertiary education policy today at Te Huinga Tauira o Te Mana Ākonga, the national hui for the Māori Teritary Students Association in Palmerston North. Te Tai Hauāuru candidate Chris McKenzie says the...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • NZ Sign Language programmes receives $11 million boost
    Deaf Aotearoa are thrilled with Education minister Hekia Parata’s announcement this week that $11 million in funding will go towards a range of New Zealand Sign Language initiatives, including First Signs – a programme that involves sign language...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Abortion violates the Human Rights of Fathers
    Fathers1Right to Life is concerned at the glaring imbalance that exists in law, in regard to the rights of men to defend the lives of the children they have fathered. Fatherhood commences at conception. Children in the womb, just like...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Hundreds to join march against male violence in Auckland CBD
    Hundreds of supporters are expected to join the 'Take Back the Night' march through central Auckland streets tomorrow night in solidarity with making the streets safe for women and the rainbow community to walk without fear of male violence....
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Classic example of need for Conservative policy
    The Conservative Party Justice Spokesman, Garth McVicar believes the sentencing of killer Aaron McDonald is a classic example of why an overhaul of the parole and sentencing system is required.”...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Greens & Labour Politicising Bullying in Schools
    Family First NZ says that both the Greens and Labour are wanting to politicise and sexualise school children under the guise of bullying programmes rather than deal with the school bullying issue as it should be dealt with....
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Wellington National Is Not Our Future Rally 30/8/14
    Thousands of people will march and rally at National is not our Future events on Saturday. Auckland is the main rally centre with supportive actions in Wellington, Dunedin, Christchurch and Hamilton. In Wellington, marchers will assemble at Te Papa...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • EPA grants marine consent for OMV exploration well
    The Environmental Protection Authority has granted a marine consent to OMV New Zealand Ltd for its Whio-1 exploration well in the Taranaki Basin....
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • First anniversary of the horrific chemical attacks on Syria
    Members of the Syrian Community and friends are commemorating the first anniversary of the horrific chemical attacks on Syria, in Aotea Square on Saturday 30 August 2014, between 11-3 pm. The Assad regimes chemical attacks on al Ghouta were responsible...
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Anniversary of the NZ Occupation of German Samoa
    Today, 29th August 2014, marks the 100 years centenary of the occupation of Samoa by New Zealand forces at the request of the British empire, ending the German rule of Samoa. It is also the starting point for the special...
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Submissions sought on mosquito repellent
    The Environmental Protection Authority is calling for submissions on a portable mosquito repellent for use outdoors. The repellent consists of a strip impregnated with metofluthrin, a substance from the pyrethroid family....
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Spot the difference – the leaders debate
    I watched the Leaders' debate last night and was struck by the fact that John Key accepted all of David Cunliffe's basic assumptions. For example, he did not say that the government should not tell farmers who they could sell...
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Colin Craig’s tax figures do not add up and are dishonest
    “Colin Craig’s tax plan is to have two rates of income tax: 0% up to $20,000 and 25% above that. This will leave a $6.4 billion hole in the budget even before the new spending proposed by the Conservatives. The...
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Dirty Politics Impacts National Party Support
    Media Release – For Immediate Release Dirty Politics Impacts National Party Support Support for National has dropped by 4.3% to 50.8%, the latest stuff.co.nz / Ipsos political poll shows....
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Labour’s environment policy welcomed
    The independent conservation organisation Forest & Bird says that overall the Labour Party’s newly released environment policy would go a long way towards protecting New Zealand’s natural heritage....
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • National: Not our Future Marches across New Zealand
    Three weeks before the election, action is being taken across the country voicing a rejection of the National Government's track record and direction. Rallies are being held in Auckland, Wellington, Christchurch and Dunedin to oppose National's...
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Tune in to tonight’s debate from 7pm
    The countdown is on! You can watch the first leader’s debate for 2014 tonight, 7pm, on TV One ....
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Gamblefree Day 1 September
    It's Gamblefree Day this Monday 1 September, the national awareness day for problem gambling in New Zealand. While traditionally celebrated on the first day of September, many events and activities are held both before and after this day to raise...
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Success through captioning should be a given as a Right
    Success through captioning should be a given as a Right per the Convention on the Rights of People with Disabilities...
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Alcohol Marketing Committee Questions Government’s Motives
    An Independent Expert Committee on Alcohol Advertising and Sponsorship (IECAAS) has been formed out of concern amongst alcohol and public health researchers about the government’s Ministerial Forum on Alcohol Advertising and Sponsorship (MFAAS)....
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • How Much Higher Can Auckland Prices Go?
    National's plan to liberalise the use of Kiwisaver funds and its proposal to raise ts cheap "Welcome Home" loan thresholds to help buyers purchase a new home has been welcomed by home building companies but attacked as a "welfare scheme...
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • OPC submission period extended
    We have extended the submission period for the modified reassessment of a bee control affecting five organophosphate and carbamate insecticides (APP202142)....
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Vinay Deobhakta struck off roll of barristers and solicitors
    The New Zealand Lawyers and Conveyancers Disciplinary Tribunal has ordered former Tauranga lawyer Vinay Deobhakta to be struck off the roll of barristers and solicitors....
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Major parties to front up for Climate Voter election debate
    New Zealand’s main political parties will take part in ‘The Great Climate Voter Debate’ on September 3....
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Family violence… too big to be ignored
    As Annah Stretton gears up for her New Zealand Fashion Week show on Thursday she is utilizing her spotlight to help change the face of family violence in this country saying “the problem is far too big to ignore”....
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Candidate’s SOS to northern Maori voters: Save our seats!
    (Extract from address by Rev Te Hira Paenga to Kura Hourua Maori Political Leaders hui, in Whangarei this evening)....
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Mary O’Neill to Stand for the Alliance in Napier
    The Alliance Party has confirmed Mary O’Neill as the Alliance candidate in the Napier Electorate for the 2014 election....
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • TONIGHT [28/8/14]: The Great Political Comedy Debate
    It's a night for debating. You could stay home frowning at tonight's Leaders debate, or laugh it up with us at BATS!...
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Cunliffe against personal responsibility over billboards
    The accusation by David Cunliffe that the Conservative Party is subscribing to a surveillance society by protecting its billboards via the use of motion sensor cameras reveals an anti-personal responsibility position by the about-to-be-retired Leader...
    Scoop politics | 27-08
  • Groundbreaking health and climate conference
    The World Health Organization (WHO) is holding its first conference on climate change and health at its headquarters in Geneva this week, with New Zealand health experts in attendance....
    Scoop politics | 27-08
  • Te Tai Tokerau Party
    Last night at the Leadership Academy of Company A debate Clinton Dearlove announced the creation of a new political party supported by Whanau and Hapu....
    Scoop politics | 27-08
  • Significant fallout from Dirty Politics allegations
    Dirty politics ... costing National up to 3.8% of its pre-publication support Large numbers of New Zealanders are aware of and talking about the issues raised as a result of the publication of Nicky Hager’s book, Dirty Politics, according to...
    Scoop politics | 27-08
  • Colin Craig is “deluded and dangerous” – Act
    “Colin Craig is proposing a radical transformation of our constitution. The Conservatives are proposing to overthrow of one hundred and fifty odd years of parliamentary democracy and replace it with binding referenda” said ACT Leader Dr Jamie Whyte....
    Scoop politics | 27-08
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