Clinton running for president

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1. Ron 1

   13 April 2015 at 11:16 am

   What a pity I was hoping that Warren might have thrown hat in ring. Clinton is 67 and Warren is 65 so its unlikely that Warren would consider running at 69 after Clinton’s first term. Maybe Warren can do more good in Senate but I would have preferred her to Clinton. Hell the way things are going I would almost prefer Jeb Bush to Clinton. He does have some attributes that would set him apart from George W.
   • Lanthanide 1.1

     13 April 2015 at 12:07 pm

     It’s very unusual for a party to have another challenger for president after the first term of office; even then it would likely be the deputy who would run.

     Also Warren might have the appropriate policies / outlook, but if she’s not electable by the public there’s no point in her running.

     Clinton could easily give Warren an influential position in her cabinet, as well.
   • swordfish 1.2

     13 April 2015 at 12:13 pm

     When George first became Governor of Texas and Jeb Governor of Florida, the conventional wisdom was that Jeb was both (1) the more capable, but also (2) the more right-wing of the two. Their careers as Govs tended to bare this out. George only morphed from “compassionate conservative” into fully-fledged Neo-Conservative under Cheney’s tutelage after 9/11.

     Both Bush and Clinton will be horrendous. As Glenn Greenwald put it recently, the real possibility of a Hillary vs Jeb contest sets up another epic battle between two dynasties, one of which “exploited its vast wealth to obtain political power, while the other exploited its political power to obtain vast wealth.” A reference, amongst other things, to widespread claims of a notorious back door between the Clinton White House and big investment banks and money funds.
   • Stephanie Rodgers 1.3

     13 April 2015 at 1:46 pm

     Reagan was 69 when he won his first term.
2. TheContrarian 2

   13 April 2015 at 11:34 am

   Looks like it might be another Bush/Clinton match-up. I expect Clinton to win the presidency however. The Bush name is pretty much muck now and the rest of the Republican field don’t have a fucking chance in hell.
   • Lanthanide 2.1

     13 April 2015 at 12:09 pm

     “The Bush name is pretty much muck now”

     Jeb has always been more conservative than GW and will obviously run on a platform that distances himself from the negative reputation of GW, while playing to his strengths.

     I think it would be foolish to count Jeb out. Rest of the Republican field doesn’t look like it has much of a chance, though.
     • Ron 2.1.1

       13 April 2015 at 12:26 pm

       I agree have a look at this site especially the chart positioning republican possibilities. jeb is a liberal in many areas that Republicans normally don’t venture.
       http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/jeb-bush-president-republican-primary-2016/
       • Lanthanide 2.1.1.1

         13 April 2015 at 1:21 pm

         This article on 538 argues that right now, it’s effectively a 50/50 tossup who will win: http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/clinton-begins-the-2016-campaign-and-its-a-toss-up
         • Phil 2.1.1.1.1

           13 April 2015 at 3:42 pm

           Their piece on just how much more dominant, in the “cold-war” phase, of primaries Hillary Clinton has been is insightful:

           http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-hillary-clinton-steamroller-rumbles-to-life/

           With no viable candidate to compete against, she’s going to be by-and-large invisible while the GOP candidates fight it out for their nomination.
       • TheContrarian 2.1.1.2

         13 April 2015 at 1:55 pm

         “jeb is a liberal in many areas that Republicans normally don’t venture.”

         Watch all that change when the election drive starts.
3. Bill 3

   13 April 2015 at 11:39 am

   Cliffs. Front runners. Fast followers. If only. 😉
   • weka 3.1

     13 April 2015 at 12:41 pm

     😀
4. infused 4

   13 April 2015 at 11:42 am

   Can’t be any worse than Obama… or can it?
   • Lanthanide 4.1

     13 April 2015 at 12:10 pm

     Doesn’t really matter if she would be worse or better than Obama, because she’s not running against Obama.

     Will she be better or worse than the Republican candidate? Better, without even knowing who that candidate is.
     • infused 4.1.1

       13 April 2015 at 12:22 pm

       A potato could run the US better than any of the candidates.
       • Lanthanide 4.1.1.1

         13 April 2015 at 12:25 pm

         In the sense that a potato would make no decisions and implement no policies, they aren’t that far off it already.
       • les 4.1.1.2

         13 April 2015 at 3:49 pm

         a potato would make a hash of things,at least a carrot could incentivise people.
         • Lanthanide 4.1.1.2.1

           13 April 2015 at 4:32 pm

           Hah!
   • hoom 4.2

     13 April 2015 at 1:10 pm

     The terrifying thing is that none of the candidates show any signs of being better than Obama so by definition whoever it is will be worse somehow.
5. Capn Insano 5

   13 April 2015 at 11:56 am

   I couldn’t see myself supporting a GOP candidate, especially given how many of them are fucking nutcases in one way or another, usually by being fundamentalist corrupt WASPs.
   They really need to get their house in order regarding corporate money in politics there, it’s rife.
6. ianmac 6

   13 April 2015 at 12:07 pm

   Clinton being 67 and aiming for the top job and Winston being just 3 years older but getting kicked because of his age. The Kiwi way.
   • Lanthanide 6.1

     13 April 2015 at 12:11 pm

     Winston has appeared confused in Parliament on a few occasions, although not so much recently. He is also rumoured (known?) to have rather unhealthy habits, such as boozing and smoking.
     • Ron 6.1.1

       13 April 2015 at 12:20 pm

       Winston is going to Washington. He would love it and National would solve a problem with NZF. Only problem would be how do you keep NZF in line if The Boss is away in Washington. maybe Winston could keep his seat and still serve, siller things have been done in past.
     • ianmac 6.1.2

       13 April 2015 at 12:49 pm

       “Winston has appeared confused….”
       I think Winston being a good off the cuff speaker is learning that as he ages those spontaneous words that used to spring to his mind and voice, get sluggish and so he hesitates. (I know the feeling and these days I actually have to work out what I am going to say before I start. What a shift!)
       • Lanthanide 6.1.2.1

         13 April 2015 at 12:59 pm

         That’s probably true.

         But I don’t think Clinton has the same problem, hence why just comparing their ages as you have and then saying that NZ is treating Winston unfairly compared to how the US treats Clinton, isn’t useful.
     • TheContrarian 6.1.3

       13 April 2015 at 1:57 pm

       His habits are fairly well known.
7. Jones 7

   13 April 2015 at 12:30 pm

   Noise… it makes no difference these days who is elected President. And the speculation on the radio last night… “will she/won’t she/it’s expected any minute now”… nauseating.
   • Lanthanide 7.1

     13 April 2015 at 1:03 pm

     It does matter who is President.

     The US wouldn’t have the Affordable Health Care act (Obamacare) if Mitt Romney had won.

     http://obamacarefacts.com/obamacare-poll/
     • TheContrarian 7.1.1

       13 April 2015 at 2:04 pm

       The irony being Romney introduced nearly the exact same legislation in his home state
       • Lanthanide 7.1.1.1

         13 April 2015 at 4:33 pm

         Yip.
         • TheContrarian 7.1.1.1.1

           13 April 2015 at 4:35 pm

           Then he had to distance himself from it and pretend he never supported it.

           make no mistake the liberal streak in Jeb will change the second he decides to run in order to appeal to the wing-nuts
           • Lanthanide 7.1.1.1.1.1

             13 April 2015 at 4:38 pm

             Tack right during the primary, tack left during the general election. Do whatever you’re paid to do once you win.
8. Sirenia 8

   13 April 2015 at 1:12 pm

   Watch out for every sexist or ageist insult to be tossed her way.
9. Penny Bright 9

   13 April 2015 at 1:43 pm

   If Hillary Clinton is campaigning to be the ‘champion of everyday Americans’ – when will she state her opposition to FAST TRACK – that will allow the President to sign the pro-corporate TPPA without the prior scrutiny of Congress?

   Penny Bright
10. dukeofurl 10

    13 April 2015 at 3:29 pm

    One thing I dont get, for years there was all the rukus about where Obama was born ( it was Honolulu) but the nut jobs were trying to prove he was born outside the US and that way he wouldnt be eligible to be president as he wasnt a ‘natural born american”

    Then along comes Senator Ted Cruz , who was born outside the US ( Calgary) to a US mother and a Cuban father .

    He seems to be eligible to be president, yet his circumstances would be exactly the same if Obama was born outside US. ( His mother was american and father Kenyan)
    • te reo putake 10.1

      13 April 2015 at 3:44 pm

      There’s a fundamental difference between Cruz and Obama. Cruz looks white.
    • McFlock 10.2

      13 April 2015 at 3:51 pm

      yeah.

      Dissonance much…
11. Phil 11

    14 April 2015 at 8:22 am

    On the other side of the fence, at this stage I’d call it a three-horse race between Jeb Bush, Scott Walker, and Marco Rubio for the GOP nomination. Any of those three could go toe-to-toe with Hillary Clinton and make for a very close race.

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