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6:00 pm, October 7th, 2015 - 15 comments
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the paper version of the ODT had this as the quote of the day today,
It is time for opposition parties and ordinary New Zealanders to force the Government to step away, and make it clear to National that failing to do so will carry the ultimate electoral penalty.
see also http://www.odt.co.nz/news/politics/358361/tpp-deal-traversty-democracy
Unfortunately the ultimate electoral penalty is essentially meaningless. It doesn’t actually cost them anything. They know that they’ll get voted back in in a term or three and will just continue with their damaging policies then.
We really do need to become a full democracy rather than an elected dictatorship. Take the power off the politicians and invest it in the people.
“Witnesses said it had long hair and the shape of a rat, but that its sharp-toothed, bearded face was evilly human while its paws were like tiny human hands. It took messages betwixt old Keziah and the devil, and was nursed on the witch’s blood—which it sucked like a vampire. Its voice was a kind of loathsome titter, and it could speak all languages.”
Lovecraft? Reads like him or one of his acolytes.
Gen Zero sent this out today re climate change action (things we can do),
They’re asking people to pledge to march in the global People’s Climate March in November in the lead up the the Paris talks,
http://www.peoplesclimatemarch.org.nz/pledge?splash=1
Groser said on one news tonight that even he doesn’t know all the details of what been agreed to in the TPPA. So the lone person bargaining for a collective of 4.5 million people isn’t quite sure what he’s traded away for us. Inspiring.
I don’t think Groser was the lone person negotiating on behalf of NZ, he may have been the lead negotiator but like other countries I’m sure there would have been a reasonably large team involved.
Come on, NS Doc – get a bit real for a change. ANY competent person, let alone a Minister with briefing aides, would know what the details are in an agreement he’s the main person on. You’re saying its okay for Groser to be incompetent ?
You’re saying the negotiating “team” would not have had daily briefings on what each person is doing, and someone there would not have been taking extensive notes which would be shared around the others ? In other words, its okay to have dumb bunnies doing the negotiating on a country’s behalf ! Nonsense.
What I said was I don’t think Groser was the lone person negotiating on behalf of NZ, he may have been the lead negotiator but like other countries I’m sure there would have been a reasonably large team involved.
I’m also prepared to say it’s not surprising the Grosser does not know all the details of the TPPA.
But hey perhaps someone should find to the actual quote from grosser and then people on this site could have an endless debate on whether what he said was taken in or out of context.
Ok, I checked, he has a team of about 15 people with him. What I’m worried about now is if the people with the detail are able to filter their knowledge through to Groser so he can make the big calls on our behalf. How much sway do the aides have in the decision making process or does it all come down to Groser? What are the communication levels like between the team? All relevant questions. This is all in a time limited, high pressure, sleep deprived environment. Probably not ideal conditions for this sort of thing.
So Groser had lots of help bargaining away our future. You would have thought one of the numbskulls would have worked out that, making big concessions on dairy AT THE END of the whole deal process, AFTER meekly caving to all the previously dealt with bargaining points – pharmaceuticals, asset sales to foreign nationals, intellectual propertey et al. It left them with not much more to ‘trade off’ against the big issue (so they told us) – dairy.
SO now we know where Our Beloved Leader has been these past few days; practising his Willie Apiata look-alike fantasies in the desert somewhere.
Every day he was out of the country seemed like a day with Kim Hill on Morning Report wasted. Can anyone else hold him to account??
Have watched a few Putin interviews now and they continue to impress … check this out …
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQuceU3x2Ww
can you see shallowmanKey doing something like that? ha ha ha ha ha Key is such a manchild
Wow, impressive!
Putin is 100x the man key wishes he could be.