Daily Review 08/08/2016

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1. mickysavage 1

   8 August 2016 at 6:07 pm

   New Reid Research poll out and released today for some reason.

   John Key and National could be out of office after a drop in the latest Newshub-Reid Research poll, which shows the Labour-Greens bloc is closing the gap.

   The Newshub-Reid Research poll shows National on 45.1 percent – a drop of 1.9 percent.

   And the Labour-Green marriage has taken almost all of that – jumping 1.8 percent up to 44.2 percent.

   But neither side has the numbers to govern – meaning Winston Peters would once again be kingmaker, with New Zealand First on 8.1 percent (up 0.4 percent).

   http://www.newshub.co.nz/politics/poll-john-key-could-lose-grip-on-power-2016080815#ixzz4GiaFASUS

   Pretty well confirms that last Roy Morgan was a rogue.
   • weka 1.1

     8 August 2016 at 6:23 pm

     Pretty well confirms that last Roy Morgan was a rogue.

     Just highlighting that because of the number of people freaking out when the last RM was being discussed. We need to get better at understanding how polls work.

     Interesting headline from Shub and Gower. They could just as easily have gone with something positive for NACT and negative for Labour.
     • GregJ 1.1.1

       8 August 2016 at 6:51 pm

       If it is shown it is indeed a rogue poll then Roy Morgan should also be held accountable. If it is as far off as it appears to be then there should have been a serious decision made by the polling company to withhold the result of the poll.

       Personally I would prefer that polling be restricted or even eliminated from use by media organisations – it is essentially a news generating tool rather than news itself which allows media organisations to generate narrative. This is why I never comment on them.

       I would also place severe restrictions on polling companies from carrying out political polls. I don’t think that add anything to the political discourse.
   • Graeme 1.2

     8 August 2016 at 6:51 pm

     Is there a change in the way the preferred PM question is framed in this poll? They’ve reported it as Key 36.7%, Peters 10.9%, Andrew 10.4% and Someone Else / Don’t Know at 41.9%

     A bit more illustrative than what I remember as past framing of this question.

     Edit See ScottGN below
     • ScottGN 1.2.1

       8 August 2016 at 7:14 pm

       I think it’s been this way for a while but overshadowed by the National v Labour headline numbers. I reckon what’s changed is the way the combined Lab/Green bloc is being reported which gives context to other numbers like the preferred pm.
       • Graeme 1.2.1.1

         8 August 2016 at 9:14 pm

         Also shows that a sizeable proportion of National voters are in the DN / Someone Else category, and hence the headline
   • b waghorn 1.3

     8 August 2016 at 6:52 pm

     Like sands through the hour glass so key fades away.
2. ScottGN 2

   8 August 2016 at 6:44 pm

   Preferred PM numbers are interesting too. Key on 36%, Little and Peters about the same on %10 + and 41% don’t knows/prefer someone else. So just over 60% of those polled want someone other than Key to be PM. Which rather undermines the spin we’re fed about Key’s amazing popularity.
   • Garibaldi 2.1

     9 August 2016 at 8:27 am

     Just shows how great Little is – only 10% want him. When are you ” middle of the road” Labour supporters going to realize that you must reject neoliberalism to regain support. I’ll say it again – we on the left cannot win whilst we remain National lite. You watch – all they will have to do is offer tax cuts and a bit of Crosby/Textor and (along with our compliant media) they will piss in.
3. Muttonbird 3

   8 August 2016 at 6:52 pm

   Has there been a day this winter in which there hasn’t been reported incidents of serious violence?

   All this while the National spin machine tries to tell us crime is dropping.

   http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/310434/man-in-critical-condition,-shots-fired

   To me, government policy pressuring and breaking the most vulnerable communities in New Zealand are directly responsible for the increase in violent crime. Bill English has tightened the belt of government in the name of fiscal responsibility but at the expense of social responsibility.
4. b waghorn 4

   8 August 2016 at 7:07 pm

   http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/82950250/waikato-mob-boss-warns-kidnappers-were-hunting-you
   What the hell have we become, its a sad day when a vigilante gangster gets the lead on the evening digital news.
5. Cinny 5

   8 August 2016 at 7:19 pm

   Once again the government is trying to close Salisbury School, this is a land grab by Nick Smith and Hekia Parata.
   http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/AK1608/S00252/salisbury-school-deserves-our-support.htm

   Smith himself stated that it sits on prime land. It’s not going to save the house crisis Nick. FYI the locals would rather have the school than the land
   http://www.newshub.co.nz/nznews/salisbury-school-supporters-fight-closure-2016080718#axzz4GiOumjhD

   MP’s from Labour, Greens and NZ First are supporting the local community and the school. It should stay open and be utilised.

   Damien O’Connor is behind Salisbury staying open, he’s had much to do with Salisbury School over the years.
   http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/82907792/exstudents-back-fight-to-save-salisbury-school-at-rally-in-richmond

   Catherine Delahunty has an idea..
   https://blog.greens.org.nz/2016/08/08/salisbury-school-and-the-sinking-lid/

   Tracey Martin has supported it for years
   http://nzfirst.org.nz/news/barriers-salisbury-school-enrolment-must-come-down

   No word from Hekia about todays meeting, just a lame article in The Press trying to convince people that Halswell is a good alternative, because one mum with a low needs girls goes there and has had no problems, a one mum endorsement. Maybe they should gather some Stat’s about how many girls have been in Halswell and other such schools before being place in Salisbury because it doesn’t work out for them at these other facilities.
   http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/82943331/halswell-residential-college-a-safe-enironment-for-girls-says-christchurch-mother

   Keep Salisbury School Open !!!

   https://www.change.org/p/david-wales-education-govt-nz-keep-salisbury-school-open-to-give-girls-with-the-most-needs-the-choice-they-deserve

   Parliament is sitting tomorrow, game on.
   • ScottGN 5.1

     8 August 2016 at 7:25 pm

     The way that Parata and the government have gone about undermining this school after they got knocked back by the courts when trying to close it must surely be one of the most appalling things they have done while in government.
6. Rosemary McDonald 6

   8 August 2016 at 7:21 pm

   And now for some good news.

   With the amount of it produced in New Zealand, the Japanese Sewage Powered Car should be the answer to our transport induced climate change issues.

   http://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/news/82866601/sewage-fuels-hydrogenpowered-cars-in-japan
   • Rodel 6.1

     9 August 2016 at 8:35 am

     Ministerial cars should do well with lots of savings from the Beehive fuel centre.
7. Muttonbird 7

   8 August 2016 at 7:39 pm

   3rd way Blair type Nick Leggett needs to run as an independent if thats what he’s decided to do rather than try to garner support from the party he abandoned.

   http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/82944714/mp-no-show-after-labour-feathers-ruffled-by-mayoral-race

   Any talkfest in a pub about the US election is an insult to struggling New Zealanders and one which involves serial depressive, Phil Quinn, is an even worse insult. These idiots should instead be out supporting the people who are being marginalised by the current government.
8. Bill 8

   8 August 2016 at 10:19 pm

   Good news!

   So first ‘the Eagle’ (Angela Eagle) smacked the window pane and fell off into the long grass. And then the NEC of UK Labour smacked it 130 000 times more with the same result.

   http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/aug/08/labour-must-allow-all-members-leadership-vote-court-rules
   • Paul 8.1

     8 August 2016 at 10:25 pm

     Same story, but without the taint of the Guardian’s bias.

     http://www.thecanary.co/2016/08/08/breaking-high-court-just-delivered-major-blow-owen-smiths-leadership-chances/
   • Colonial Viper 8.2

     8 August 2016 at 11:54 pm

     The idiotic poor judgement of the Blairite Labour establishment on show yet again.
     • weka 8.2.1

       9 August 2016 at 12:25 am

       And there’s still the possibility that they could appeal the decision 😉
9. swordfish 9

   9 August 2016 at 12:36 am

   Apparently, the Party is appealing the court’s ruling.

   A Few Tweets from UK Labour activists:

   @LabourEion:

   UK Labour Movement will now foot the legal cost of our Machine trying to deny 130,000 members a vote. Apparatchiks positions are untenable.

   ‏@thedevilstuna:

   The grotesque chaos of a Labour NEC hiring lawyers to prevent their own members voting in a leadership election!

   ‏@EarthalyDelites:

   They’re clearly planning to bankrupt us before they sod off & form their precious Remain Party with LibDems & 2nd tier Tories

   ‏@AaronBastani:

   McDonnel point pretty strong: With any appeal re today, members funds will be used to try and exclude members from voting. Total farce.

   Meanwhile … George Eaton in the New Statesman argues the NEC shot themselves in the foot:

   Labour has been given the right to appeal in a bid to avoid having to refund those members who paid £25. But some of Corbyn’s opponents believe the party should never have acted as it did. Rather than shrinking the selectorate, they argued that the rebels instead needed to expand it – by recruiting thousands of new supporters (as Corbyn did last summer).

   As I revealed in a recent column, an unpublished poll by GQR found that 10 per cent of the public would pay £3 to participate in a leadership election (with a plurality opposed to Corbyn). But by raising the fee to £25 and giving supporters just two days to sign up, the leader’s opponents denied themselves this option.

   But whatever the strategy, the problem for the rebels remains the same: Corbyn can get more people to vote for him than they can.

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