Daily review 18/11/2024

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  1. bwaghorn 1
    18 November 2024 at 5:40 pm

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/360489590/sir-ian-taylor-why-i-think-its-time-debate-about-treaty

    I agree mostly with Ian Taylor ,(he thinks there is a place for haka in parliament to )except it's pointless to debate seymour because he wants the treaty erased and will not bend from that direction.

    • dv 1.1
      18 November 2024 at 5:52 pm

      I haven't seen Seymour debating– all I've seen is rubbish.

    • alwyn 1.2
      18 November 2024 at 6:58 pm

      " he wants the treaty erased".

      When you say "he" are you talking about Taylor? I wasn't aware that he held that view.

      If you mean Seymour on the other hand you are in fantasy land. He doesn't want to get rid of the treaty or even to alter it in any way. He merely wants to come up with a proper definition of what the "principles of the treaty" are to be in New Zealand Law. He, like many other people want to get rid of the rubbish that lawyers and Judges are inventing because they would like to have them in there ideal world where Parliament doesn't make the Law but the higher Nabobs of the Bar get to define it.

      • Muttonbird 1.2.1
        18 November 2024 at 7:32 pm

        You've gone down the nut job rabbit hole there, attacking courts and judges whose expert legal opinion you don't like.

        Seymour wants to enforce how the treaty is interpreted with principles which have Māori erased from them. Māori are mentioned once in 'principle 2' as an afterthought, but only to tell them what they signed can no longer be honoured if a white person gets upset about it.

      • SPC 1.2.2
        18 November 2024 at 7:33 pm

        You believe the narrative others have crafted for you to believe. This is because you want to.

  2. Dennis Frank 2
    18 November 2024 at 7:10 pm

    I was wondering why nobody was accusing Seymour of being racist, then I recalled that he's part-Maori. Then I wondered why racism continues to be a trendy accusation, when it was proved that there's no scientific basis for the notion of race quite a while back.

    I suppose lots of adults never out-grew the name-calling habit they acquired when young. I decided to check out a definition anyway:

    racism, the belief that humans may be divided into separate and exclusive biological entities called “races”; that there is a causal link between inherited physical traits and traits of personality, intellect, morality, and other cultural and behavioral features; and that some races are innately superior to others. https://www.britannica.com/topic/racism

    That has been subdivided into a triad of meanings, presumably sourced from empirical observation of common usage. The first usage is arbitrary, the second is biological/psychological linkage, and the third is hierarchical rating. The triad, in toto, makes it clear that people do this categorisation without referring to science as authority. So although realists will condemn the (mis)behaviour, pragmatists will observe that it is human nature to make it up as you go along, regardless…

    • Muttonbird 2.1
      18 November 2024 at 7:36 pm

      I'll happily accuse Seymour of being racist if it makes you feel better. Funny sort of Māori he is, like he's never seen a haka before, certainly doesn't understand what they are all about.

    • SPC 2.2
      18 November 2024 at 7:44 pm

      3% Maori via his great great great grandmother. She was of Northland (and had some descendants in Gisborne). His own mother was raised in Gisborne, his father in the Manawatu. While he was later raised in Whangarei, he did not know any (living) relatives who had been on a marae. His knowledge of Maori people was via children at primary school and intermediate (he went to Auckland Grammar university and then his 20's in Canada). Thus no cultural connection at all.

      The western regime is of a "religion heritage and cultural framework, one that included imperialism. And its remnant form includes capitalism (successor to feudalism as a form of rentier economy).

      Sometimes imposed by conquest, Norman on England and then onto the colonies.

    • weka 2.3
      18 November 2024 at 10:37 pm

      I was wondering why nobody was accusing Seymour of being racist, then I recalled that he's part-Maori. Then I wondered why racism continues to be a trendy accusation, when it was proved that there's no scientific basis for the notion of race quite a while back.

      Racism is based in perception of race, not the existence of separate human species.

      ACT, including Seymour, are actively engaged in some of the worst institutional racism I've seen in my lifetime. Don't even need to consider whether individuals have varying degrees of racist motivations, the policies are racist af.

      Someone having Māori ancestry doesn't mean they can't be racist.

    • francesca 2.4
      19 November 2024 at 8:35 am

      Seymour is trying to turn the Treaty into a race issue .It's not, the Treaty was signed by several sovereign entities , the heads of indigenous people and the representative of the crown .

  3. Kat 3
    18 November 2024 at 8:05 pm

    David Seymour is merely a modern day hybrid marionette making all the moves as his strings are pulled by his puppeteers……..every colour equal in one big soup, but only certain whites control the ladle………Hobson's choice really……

    Oh, flat tax rate anyone……..

  4. john g 4
    18 November 2024 at 8:45 pm

    I've always assumed he was the Gibbs family (and others) useful idiot

    • tWig 4.1
      18 November 2024 at 10:13 pm

      Don't confuse Seymour's political persona with his intelligence; he's quite smart. Playing a bozo did Boris Johnson no harm.

      He may not actually believe in what he's selling to his target audience, but he knows which strings to pull.

    • Anne 4.2
      18 November 2024 at 11:35 pm

      Alan Gibbs ran the ACT Party from the start. Douglas and Quigley were essentially his puppets. Not sure how embedded he is with ACT now.

      At the time ACT got up and running, Douglas started a Maori wing of the party. They had a large office at the Auckland headquarters. When Gibbs discovered its existence he demanded they be immediately sent packing. The following day there was no sign the Maori wing had ever been there.

  5. Dennis Frank 5
    18 November 2024 at 9:02 pm

    Hallucinating hate crimes is the latest fad, but will it catch on here?

    The revelation that two well-known women, the Telegraph columnist Allison Pearson and the author Julie Bindel, have both received visits at home from police officers has caused outrage. Yesterday, Shadow Home Secretary Chris Philp joined in a chorus of criticism, suggesting that officers are misusing the law “probably 90%” of the time. His intervention highlights the problem at the heart of hate crime legislation, which arrived on the statute books even though no one has ever been able to define it. https://unherd.com/newsroom/britains-hate-crime-laws-are-eroding-free-speech/

    Bureaucrats need things to do, so they invented "an Orwellian-sounding category of “non-crime hate incidents”, which don’t meet the threshold of criminality."

    NCHIs should be used “extremely rarely”, when there is a “real risk of imminent criminality”. But they’re not — 13,200 were recorded in the 12 months to June 2024

    Recording that many imaginary happenings on a long list is just what bureaucrats need to live a satisfying life, apparently. Having a real job is just too old-fashioned.

  6. Incognito 6
    18 November 2024 at 9:02 pm

    Good article on the Justice Select Committee that has to steer the Treaty Principles Bill between Scylla and Charybdis.

    https://newsroom.co.nz/2024/11/18/committee-draws-short-straw-to-work-on-treaty-principles-bill/

    Now the basics have been decided, the committee will open the call for submissions and sit back to see how many flood in.

    I expect thousands of submissions from RW astroturfers alone – they will attempt to kill the debate and the SC with a DoS attack approach.

    What are the chances of Budget 2025 being the day after the SC is due to report back?

  7. tWig 7
    18 November 2024 at 10:25 pm

    Heart-breaking bullying by cycling teammates of Olivia Podmore.

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