Daily review 19/03/2021

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1. David 1

   19 March 2021 at 7:42 pm

   So I just made the mistake of informing my wife who as a teacher struggles to get paper for her class, that a Labour government agency has funded Rod $1,000,000 to sing a song.
   • I Feel Love 1.1

     19 March 2021 at 7:52 pm

     As has been mentioned in Open Mic to the disdain and disbelief to many here, it's also all over the news I'd imagine (which thrives on"outrage").
     • David 1.1.1

       19 March 2021 at 8:25 pm

       I’d say in this case outrage is a perfectly justified reaction.
   • Incognito 1.2

     19 March 2021 at 10:05 pm

     Ask your wife to help you with Reading Recovery because you’re spreading misinformation. If you think you don’t have problems with reading comprehension, you’re spreading disinformation.

     If you’re that concerned about how Tourism New Zealand spends money on an America’s Cup event perhaps you should join the Taxpayers’ Union if you’re not already a member.
     • alwyn 1.2.1

       19 March 2021 at 10:25 pm

       I suggest that you should discuss the matter with Lprent. His view as expressed on this Blog, with which I totally agree seems to be as follows.

       "If it was 250 million of our taxes that went towards it, then I bitterly resent my ~$50-$100 of taxes that went towards it as waste of my time and work. It is a clear case where strict user-pays is a good idea.".

       I doubt that he is a member of the Taxpayer’s Union. I’m certainly not.
       • Incognito 1.2.1.1

         19 March 2021 at 10:35 pm

         I’d be delighted to draw Lprent’s attention to you making BS assertions again. However, for the record, you’re barking up the wrong tree again and pissing in the wind so badly that you think it is raining.

         Please take your trolling to Kiwiblog and stay there, thanks.
         • alwyn 1.2.1.1.1

           19 March 2021 at 11:46 pm

           Can you please tell me what is the BS assertion you are talking about?

           That was, after all, a direct quote from something he posted on this site. Was the post by an imposter? The quote was from his comment at 12.31pm on the post that “Americas Cup is New Zealand’s cup” .

           It seemed pretty clear to me.

           [Lprent may be an adulating fan of Rod Stewart, which would be almost as bad as being accused of being a “closet Kiwiblog commentator”. OTOH, Lprent may think that the Tourism NZ money was wasted on that AC’s event. However, the simple fact is that we don’t know what Lprent thinks about it.

           You’ve taken a selected part of Lprent’s comment out of context and applied it to a different context AKA shifting the goalposts. Lprent’s comment was quite specific but the selected text that you’ve quoted here is context-free. In fact, you could quote it anytime and anywhere you like and then accuse Lprent of being a “closet Kiwiblog commentator” or make up some other idiotic argument.

           It is possible that you didn’t know what you were doing. But you have repeated the same quote here with a clear intention in mind and trying to be a smart arse again. You have form with this, i.e. it is your MO, as Lprent noted in his latest and recent moderating your comments (https://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-28-02-2021/#comment-1781193, https://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-28-02-2021/#comment-1781258, and https://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-28-02-2021/#comment-1781415).

           I don’t believe for a second that you’re that stupid. In fact, you have claimed to know more and better than the PM and the Minister of Finance (https://thestandard.org.nz/bluffgeld/#comment-1774689). [see what I did there?] Nevertheless, you continue with these pointless diversions and BS arguments and I can only conclude that you do this deliberately and that you are therefore trolling.

           The question now is how and when this will end and I have a suspicion we will receive the answers very soon – Incognito]
           • Sabine 1.2.1.1.1.1

             20 March 2021 at 8:33 am

             Next time make it a quote, italic and post a link. That would do the trick. s/
             • veutoviper …

               20 March 2021 at 11:03 am

               Here it is –

               I watched about 15 minutes of it over someones shoulder yesterday on a computer screen.

               The technology was impressive – and fundamentally not the applicable to anything apart from racing. For instance I can't see any way to scale up the technology of a 7 tonne hydrofoil wind powered racing vessel up to container shipping – something that might be valuable.

               The only reason that I watched at all was because someone I have been working with in the UK repeatably commented on it in a zoom meeting. They'd been following it assiduously. I came to the conclusion that there is probably a shortage of armchair sport available. It simply wasn't that interesting after 15 minutes – I went off and biked home.

               If it was 250 million of our taxes that went towards it, then I bitterly resent my ~$50-$100 of taxes that went towards it as waste of my time and work. It is a clear case where strict user-pays is a good idea.

               https://thestandard.org.nz/americas-cup-is-new-zealands-cup/#comment-1783904

               Alwyn's quote at 1.2.1 above seems – correction, IS – word for word identical to the last para above which I bolded,,i.e:

               If it was 250 million of our taxes that went towards it, then I bitterly resent my ~$50-$100 of taxes that went towards it as waste of my time and work. It is a clear case where strict user-pays is a good idea.".

               I
             • alwyn …

               22 March 2021 at 8:57 am

               Yeah.Well I tried posting the link as I usually do by copyin the bit under the name with the date and time.

               This time, and I don't know why it linked to the start of the post rather than the comment within the post. C'est la vie.
           • Incognito 1.2.1.1.1.2

             20 March 2021 at 2:16 pm

             See my Moderation note @ 11:46 pm.
     • David 1.2.2

       20 March 2021 at 12:43 am

       When you say misinformation Incognito, are you saying all the media are lying and that $1,000,000 wasn’t spent on a sing a long?
       • Incognito 1.2.2.1

         20 March 2021 at 3:08 pm

         Hi David,

         I would not say the media are lying as such but they sure do embellish, particularly when you go by their headlines. Of course, you’re not a simpleton who cannot and does not read past the headlines.

         However, repeating the same BS here again suggests to me that you may not have read past the headlines.

         For example, you may have missed the OIA request about the total costs of this AC’s event. Here it is for your perusal: https://fyi.org.nz/request/14919-cost-of-rod-stewart-singing-sailing.

         You’ll see immediately that you’ve accidentally overstated the total costs by $82,000. I realise that you’d like to keep your narrative as simple as possible but by doing so you end up doing exactly the same thing as the media in their headlines.

         The song that caused you to flip your lid was only the last 4 minutes or so of the event.

         In any case, it is clear that you were spreading misinformation about one 4-min song fetching the singer (i.e. Rod Stewart) $1,000,000.

         By all means, let’s have a debate about spending Taxpayers’ money on an event such as the AC and/or on a promotional event by Tourism NZ. But when you twist the facts from the outset to push a certain narrative, you’re not commenting in good faith or you’re a simpleton who is not worth our time debating with, and either option would be an ideal fit with the Taxpayers’ Onion.

         HTH

         PS Tourism NZ money does not fund paper in schools, which falls under MoEd. Your wife can and will confirm this when you ask her.
     • Sabine 1.2.3

       20 March 2021 at 8:31 am

       There are a lot of schools that could have done some good with this money, and it would be better use.

       and that some schools in NZ don't have the funding they need is also common knowledge. (re last years discussion about shovel ready jobs and money to a 'green' school vs money to low decile schools with container classrooms).

       Not sure about Davids comment – i have no idea who the poster is, but yeah, the filthy rich (who btw don't pay taxes) could have paid the 250 million out of the petty cash say from Bezos or so, but if you can get some taxpayers who have no right to decide what is done with their money to pay for your expensive hobby that is then pretty sweet and rich as. (And yeah, won't nobody think of the riches that will trickle down on us via the usual streams).

       And surely we could have called Dave Dobbin or Tiki Tane to sing a song, rather then some old filthy rich English bloke past his used by date. And the quarantine spot could have been given to someone whom we actually need here, and who will stay here.

       And maybe we also need to come around that if tourism is so bad that a minister can travel around the country telling various towns to 'pivot' to something else (not that he would have an idea as to what to pivot to) because they are not going to help, then that extravaganza should also not have been publicly funded.

       Pivot:
       Meaning of pivot in English
       pivot
       verb
       pivot verb (TURN)
       to turn or twist:
     • Cricklewood 1.2.4

       20 March 2021 at 7:49 pm

       How bout my friend then, now 6 months off work with a work related knee injury, been waiting 3months and still waiting for a decision re surgery…

       His GP says the damage to the ligament is likely now permanant and will need a full reconstruction… mids 30's stuck on ACC cant really get out and play with his kids and now staring down the barrel of a full knee reconstruction if ACC bother to approve surgery…

       He hasnt even had physio this year as its deemed not helpful… the whole situation is fucked liekly going to end up as a question to the minister in the house sounds like there a few in similar situations… ACC blaming covid apparently…
       • Sacha 1.2.4.1

         20 March 2021 at 11:35 pm

         How's his singing voice?

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